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    I'd take Hischier. New Jersey has an interesting off season ahead... expansion draft, plus first overall pick and potential Kovalchuk situation.

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    Red Wings finish 6th, draft 9th. lol the one year the team sucks ass they still get hosed on draft position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Red Wings finish 6th, draft 9th. lol the one year the team sucks ass they still get hosed on draft position.
    Eh, the Sabres have been getting hosed on draft position pretty much every year since they started missing the playoffs. It's Buffalo, though -- they're used to it, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamsterkill View Post
    Eh, the Sabres have been getting hosed on draft position pretty much every year since they started missing the playoffs. It's Buffalo, though -- they're used to it, lol
    Haha, can't argue that. I've honestly paid no attention to the lottery system for years but now that my hometown team is a part of the fuckery, its hard not to notice how silly it all sounds. That said it seems to certainly do its job of generating buzz. Kind of like the issue with division based seeding. Makes little sense competitively but it is exciting if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaneuf6 View Post
    I'd take Hischier. New Jersey has an interesting off season ahead... expansion draft, plus first overall pick and potential Kovalchuk situation.
    I'd lean towards him as well but Patrick is a two way centre who I feel might be what NJ wants more.

    Canucks and Red Wings were both 1 number off from winning it.
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    Taylor Hall had a great tweet tonight that he is adding "NHL Draft lottery specialist" to his resume.

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    I swear the Pens defense on the Caps first goal is the weirdest thing I've seen in the playoffs so far this year. Did they forget Niskanen isn't on their team anymore?

    https://www.nhl.com/video/niskanens-...366/c-51763903

    How often in an NHL season does a penalty killing team fall asleep so horribly? Especially in the playoffs? The saddest thing is all 4 Pens players were being occupied by only two caps. Any one of the other 3 could've had a 1v1 with the goalie. Just weird because it was unprovoked, Washington did nothing to draw them in, the Pens just bit on a trap that wasn't there. I'm sure the puck took a weird bounce or two during that scrum but there's no reason the 3rd/4th Pens players should've gone anywhere but the front of their own net.

    Oh well, Caps are getting railroaded. Hard to see them winning 4/5 games with 3 in Pittsburgh.
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    The Caps need Holtby to outplay Fleury if they're going to win. As near as I can tell, that hasn't happened yet.
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    Yeah, you can argue that's been the difference so far. Fleury has had two very busy games and played great in both. The Caps could've come out with a big lead earlier today if not for him.

    Ovy seems to be suffering from Peyton Manning syndrome. Clearly better by far than everybody except one single player over an entire generation (Tom Brady) and that single player happens to win everything, especially in head to head match ups .

    If Ovy ever does get it done in the playoffs, I sure hope its this year or sometime soon when he can be a major part of the run. Winning it at 36 after a 30 pt season won't feel the same or earn the same respect. He's a 1st ballot guy regardless but this kind of stuff decides if you go down as a true legend or just a guy near the top of some categories. You can't be the second best of a generation and let well over a decade go by without an ECF trip.
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    Without wanting to hijack this hockey thread too much with football, I wanted to point out that Manning actually has a winning record against Brady in the playoffs (3-2). Brady won the last 4 regular season matchups (and has a winning record against Manning overall), but Manning won the last 3 playoff games. Your point about Ovechkin is well taken, though. He's the Pens' bitch.


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    The Pens just seem to own the Caps. If the Caps go out again in round 2 I would think there would be some big, big changes with that team. Not just off ice. Some players might get moved. As it is Williams, Alzner, Shattenkirk, Oshie, Winnik are all UFA's this summer. Caps window to win is closing. It took everything they had just to get by the Leafs in round 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by two24four View Post
    The Pens just seem to own the Caps. If the Caps go out again in round 2 I would think there would be some big, big changes with that team. Not just off ice. Some players might get moved. As it is Williams, Alzner, Shattenkirk, Oshie, Winnik are all UFA's this summer. Caps window to win is closing. It took everything they had just to get by the Leafs in round 1.
    For sure, and it was a clear coin-flip series. Toronto easily could've won.

    Hamster, noted on that correction. I guess the Brady owns Manning storyline was more of a early-career issue for Manning, when Brady had 3 SB wins and a playoff win against Manning with nothing on Peyton's side.

    Also, those Sabre owners sure made an interesting decision firing the Bills GM a day after the draft. I actually like the Bills draft too. Odd. At least they're trying something (however desperate) and making some sort of moves. But it just feels like an overreaction on the NHL and NFL side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Hamster, noted on that correction. I guess the Brady owns Manning storyline was more of a early-career issue for Manning, when Brady had 3 SB wins and a playoff win against Manning with nothing on Peyton's side.
    That was Doc. I don't follow football nearly well enough to know things like that.
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    My bad, Doc.

    Nashville and St Louis are two teams I've wanted to see make a deep run for a long time, and yet I can't bring myself to show any interest in this series beyond post-game highlights. Turned the game on and changed the channel in 5 mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaneuf6 View Post
    I'd take Hischier. New Jersey has an interesting off season ahead... expansion draft, plus first overall pick and potential Kovalchuk situation.
    What do you mean by this?


    Man the Caps are struggling. Could the Leafs have drained them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WIS View Post
    What do you mean by this?


    Man the Caps are struggling. Could the Leafs have drained them?
    There's been rumors that Kovalchuk wants to play in the NHL again. New Jersey still holds his rights if he does come back. They'd need to be involved in the deal if he were to come back to play for someone else too, unless there's some obscure rule that allows Vegas to take him the expansion draft somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WIS View Post
    What do you mean by this?


    Man the Caps are struggling. Could the Leafs have drained them?
    I'm sure the Leafs taking them to 6 games with 5 of them going to OT didn't help them. But they always seem to choke in the playoffs for whatever reason. Game 3 is huge for them.

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    Nice signing by Vegas
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    That Ducks comeback looked awfully familiar as a Wings fan. That team is just horrifying with 5m or less to go in the 3rd when they're behind. It was just a shooting gallery and Edmenton were way too interested in playing back and forth hockey and not just playing proper defense. It was a huge learning experience for them but their playoff run's likely done.

    The Oilers and Leafs are fantastic bets to bring some cups back to Canada soon. The Oilers are just a few pieces on defense away from dominating this league Blackhawks-style.

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    I'm pretty sick of all of this goaltender interference chatter. The NHL needs to take a stand this summer and properly define things.

    I'm not invested in this series so I don't care which way the tying goal goes last night. For me, if you push a player into your goaltender, you kind of need to accept what happens in those seconds after... did Kesler put his hand there on purpose? I don't know. I probably agree with the refs on this one but it could go either way. The frustration is with the inconsistency and it's something that definitely needs to be addressed going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamsterkill View Post
    There's been rumors that Kovalchuk wants to play in the NHL again. New Jersey still holds his rights if he does come back. They'd need to be involved in the deal if he were to come back to play for someone else too, unless there's some obscure rule that allows Vegas to take him the expansion draft somehow.
    Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaneuf6 View Post
    I'm pretty sick of all of this goaltender interference chatter. The NHL needs to take a stand this summer and properly define things.

    I'm not invested in this series so I don't care which way the tying goal goes last night. For me, if you push a player into your goaltender, you kind of need to accept what happens in those seconds after... did Kesler put his hand there on purpose? I don't know. I probably agree with the refs on this one but it could go either way. The frustration is with the inconsistency and it's something that definitely needs to be addressed going forward.
    Can't disagree with you. Its the NHL's version of the Catch Rule from football. It seems to be interpreted on the fly with no clear boundaries for officials to enforce. It needs a lot of work.
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    So I think I'm actually going to be picking Nashville to make the Cup Final from the West. I think they can take either of the other two pretty well.
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    Preds look like a well oiled machine right now.

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    They've been a blast to watch. On one hand, I'm waiting for Rinne to be Rinne again, but on the other hand, none of the other goalies in the West scare me. Their offense is flying right now. It would be hard to bet against them.


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    That was such a bad loss for the Pens. Going back to Washington, it completely flipped the series upside down. Losing a game 6 is one thing when you're going home. When you're on the road in game 7 its rough.

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    Being a Pens fan in Maryland after a Caps playoff elimination is lots of fun. There was some excitement about a possible national capital matchup around here before game 7. I love seeing Caps fans' hopes dashed.

    I'm pleased with the Sabres' Botterill hire. Rutherford had originally been expected to step down after a few years as GM so I'm a little surprised the Pens allowed his heir apparent to go. Botterill was probably the best available candidate, though. The only one I would have been more excited about was Brisebois, but I'm guessing TBay wasn't letting him be considered, since the Sabres never interviewed him.
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    I think the Caps window to win just closed. They have 5 players who are UFA's first of all. Ovechkin isn't what he used to be and the dude just can't win anything it seems. He's also not getting any younger. Something about the Caps in the playoffs that just doesn't work. They were lucky to get by a young Leafs team in round 1.

    I read something today that said if Crosby played for the Caps and Ovechkin for the Pens that the Caps would most likely be the team with two Cups going for their third. Hard to disagree.

    Rest of the playoffs are kind of setup blah for me. Nashville is a fun team to watch. Even more so when they are at home. I'd like to see Peterborough boy Mike Fisher take the Stanley Cup from Gary. Just don't want Ottawa to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two24four View Post
    I think the Caps window to win just closed. They have 5 players who are UFA's first of all. Ovechkin isn't what he used to be and the dude just can't win anything it seems. He's also not getting any younger. Something about the Caps in the playoffs that just doesn't work. They were lucky to get by a young Leafs team in round 1.

    I read something today that said if Crosby played for the Caps and Ovechkin for the Pens that the Caps would most likely be the team with two Cups going for their third. Hard to disagree.

    Rest of the playoffs are kind of setup blah for me. Nashville is a fun team to watch. Even more so when they are at home. I'd like to see Peterborough boy Mike Fisher take the Stanley Cup from Gary. Just don't want Ottawa to win.
    They still have a good set of young guys to build with like Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, and Vrana, though. I think they're starting to realize that using Ovechkin as the offensive centerpiece just doesn't work as well in playoff hockey where opponents can more easily focus on game-planning to eliminate him. AO's a fantastic player, but his game is a simple one, and I think that makes him easy to plan for when teams can focus in on planning against one team at a time.
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    The thing about the Caps window closing is that, even if Ovechkin were traded this year, the team would honestly be just fine. Normally, you have a generational talent like Ovy, and your window is defined as his prime and if you're lucky a few years after. With the Caps, they'd still easily be a convincing playoff team without Ovy. A lot of the rest of the talent is perfectly young and able to make many more runs.

    I think they're starting to realize that using Ovechkin as the offensive centerpiece
    In fairness, I would say they've fully realized it, not starting to. Ovy was a third liner and averaged below 18 minutes his last 3 games vs the Pens.

    Aside from that, we largely agree. The Caps have more than enough pieces there to avoid any sort of rebuild.

    They need to demote Ovy more officially going forward. He's a total liability as a top line player now. He's so miserably shitty at defense and just inept at reading plays. He doesn't even have the hustle and forecheck that used to define his game outside of scoring goals and used to lead to many assists on plays Ovy created along the boards. Now he's just a pylon soaking up space without contributing anything until the pass arrives to him in a shooting position. He's a guy who only deserves to be a PP goal specialist at this point. He isn't an NHL 1st liner anymore.

    Ovys window closed in the sense that he can't be a major piece to a cup win anymore, but the Caps window is wide open.
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