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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Warner and Rogers are two of the best QBs in the league. Two future hall of famers fucking CLASHING. What a fucking game, Warner HAD to have gotten a 158.3 perfect rating, he must've been 80%+ completion, 370+ yards, 5 TD, no int, holy shit he had absolutely no trouble stomping the Packers top rated pass defense at ANY point in the game.
    Please don't call Aaron Rodgers a HoFer just yet. Warner is in, but Rodgers is no lock even as good as he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyGuy78 View Post
    Please don't call Aaron Rodgers a HoFer just yet. Warner is in, but Rodgers is no lock even as good as he is.
    I just left that alone. Rodgers is two years into his starting career, lets not jump to conclusions just yet.



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    Oh please. You think ANY QB consistently throwing 4000+ yards in this passing era won't get in? Get real. Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, they're all getting in barring injury, hands down.

    You think the league is going to call eachother and become run first over night? Rodgers is going to shit on Favre's records in Green Bay with monster seasons. He had one of the best second years in QB history.

    I mean really, injury is the single only thing that could stop him. Unless the HoF committee gets together and says "Look, we know these QB numbers are unreal, but its become too common and we'll have to raise the standard for an amazing season to 5000 yards," then there is just no way they can keep him out if he consistently puts up these numbers.

    NONE of the consistent 4k throwers of this era will miss the HoF I promise you that. Rodgers will be top 5 in every category for the next decade+.

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    And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.
    The calculation of the NFL quarterback rating involves more steps than the NCAA formula. In order to establish a maximum value for an NFL player's passer rating, a separate calculation needs to be completed involving each of the following four categories: Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. If the result in any category is less than 0, the given result should be 0. If the result in any category is greater than 2.375, the given result should be 2.375. This makes the maximum possible quarterback rating for the NFL 158.3. A perfect rating requires at least a 77.5% completion rate, at least 12.5 yards per attempt, a touchdown on at least 11.875% of attempts, and no interceptions.










    Then use the above calculations to complete the passer rating:

    Hope this helps


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.
    That is why.

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    w o w

    To think, I was working out during this game and was oh so close to turning it off b/c it looked like another boring blow out. Glad I kept the channel on. That was an amazing battle and an oh so fitting finish!

    I'm def. on the Cards band wagon this year. Not that I will openly root for them or anything like that but they are NFC (I'd prefer any team in the NFC to win the bowl this year) but I would love to see Whiz and Fitz get it done.. not to mention it wold be a pretty sweet exit for a guy like Warner.

    Anyway, great stuff!



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    Ya know, for as great as Rodgers played in bringing the Pack back, doesn't he in some capacity deserve his share of goathood for that loss?

    I'm talking about 2 of the final 3 plays in OT where on 1st down he overthrows a wide open Jennings on the deep ball that with just a touch of air underneath it and Jennings runs straight to the Bayou. Then on 3rd down he gets strip sacked from his strong side and keeps the ball alive inadvertantly with his foot just long enough for Dansby to dash straight to Louisiana.

    That may be a tad critical of the guy but in the very end, winning or losing came down to those 2 plays in my view....razor thin, baby.


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    Dude, are you mad? It was his first ever postseason game and he made a 21 point comeback against one of the best quarterbacks in history, fought for performance records along the way, and had to fucking handle overtime against a team that was in the SB last year. Yet you're blaming him for overthrowing a (albeit wide open) long bomb and getting overwhelmed by a rush and fumbling?

    He choked in the final moment but the fact is this game was nothing short of remarkable for Aaron Rodgers and should go down in history as one of the all time (Like, top 5 all time) QB duels. These guys picked their team up and carried them as far as they could take them.

    Man, you can have the viewpoint that he had a miserable OT, sure. But to imply that it somehow outweighs the significance of what he was able to do, is being stupidly critical.

    Aaron Rodgers walks away from his first playoff game extremely successful and Packers fans should be happy because they will get one soon.

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    I'm not the one putting him into Canton after 2 years, good god with that proclaimation.....just pointing out the fact that he had the ball in his hands last on a day that neither defense could stop the others offense and those 2 "missed" plays execution wise directly led to the Packers losing in OT and in my glass half empty monday morning qb view that does diminish what he did yesterday because when the chips were down with that series in OT he spit the bit.

    Other than that he was pissah


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    I'm not the one putting him into Canton after 2 years, good god with that proclaimation
    Wait, do we still live in a fantasy world where hall of fames are legit and not just an establishment to honor statistically gifted individuals?

    Assuming the answer to that is a no, I can't for the life of me fathom what is so ridiculous about my claim that a QB who is making 4500 yards/30 TD seem very casual in his 2nd year in the NFL will go to the hall of fame if he stays healthy?

    Quit acting like the HoF is going to look at anything else. His numbers are huge. If he stays healthy, he is a 100% guarenteed hall of famer, no doubt whatosever. No QB who ever consistently throws for 4000+ yards will be kept out of the hall of fame.

    Please, search far and wide for the last QB who put up 8400 yards and 58 TDs in his first two seasons. Then come back and tell me Aaron Rodgers isn't an absolute LOCK for the HoF assuming he stays healthy.

    and in my glass half empty monday morning qb view that does diminish what he did yesterday because when the chips were down with that series in OT he spit the bit.
    Any rational viewpoint sees Rodger's first postseason game as a gigantic individual success. If you want to dwell on the fact that he simply had nothing left along the lines of focus in that OT after spending 60 minutes carrying his football team and single-handedly orchestrating one of the biggest comebacks in postseason history, then you can. I think you're assanine for not acknowledging what a great game it was by Rodgers, but suit yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Please, search far and wide for the last QB who put up 8400 yards and 58 TDs in his first two seasons. Then come back and tell me Aaron Rodgers isn't an absolute LOCK for the HoF assuming he stays healthy.
    Different situations, but I have my doubts that Drew Bledsoe and Vinny Testaverde will get into the HoF, and they're two of the all-time leaders in yards and TDs

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    Testaverde isn't in the same league as Rogers. He only competes as top all time in some categories because of his longevity. Theres a difference between slowly whittling away at the all time numbers and comming into the league setting records.

    Bledsoe is a more valid argument but even his numbers just aren't in the same league. He had a magnificant sophmore season but a very mediocre rookie and 3rd season, Rogers has been nothing but magnicient from his rookie season onwards. Bledsoes career rating was 75, Rogers is already at or around 100 and history proves that the early points of a QB career is the LEAST favorable for QB rating due to high int's thrown. So history says his career rating will only improve which is an absolutely scary outlook considering where its at already.

    Rogers' numbers have been astronomical. When has a QB gotten a 93 rating his rookie year? Who has ever gotten more yards or TDs in his first two seasons?

    Obviously he can help his case with some SB rings but as far as I'm concerned unless the NFL figures out a way to suddenly stop him, hes going to easily coast into a guarenteed hall of fame seat. His numbers are in a league beyond Bledsoe and at this point in his career, in a league beyond almost any other QB in history.

    I see your point but I think we can both agree that Rogers should be projected to end his career well ahead of both Bledsoe and Testaverde.
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    I'm not saying A-Rodg hasn't been amazing the last two years. But remember that these also aren't his first two seasons, he's been in the league for five years. Granted at the pace he's going he could still put up record numbers even if he doesn't play for that long, but like I said numbers aren't everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by eff1ngham View Post
    I'm not saying A-Rodg hasn't been amazing the last two years. But remember that these also aren't his first two seasons, he's been in the league for five years. Granted at the pace he's going he could still put up record numbers even if he doesn't play for that long, but like I said numbers aren't everything
    Kyle while I agree that if he continues this pace he should get into the HoF, especially considering that at this pace it's a good chance he'll get to play in a lot more playoff games giving him a chance to get a SB ring, I'm just saying that after only 2 years of actually playing, you can't judge a guys career. He could fall apart tomorrow.

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    I truly see no chance of him falling apart. Injuries are all that can really stop him IMO. But I get your guy's point. Obviously nothing is settled in your 2nd year. I just took exception to the notion that my claim was ridiculous when its a pretty safe bet IMO.

    Just saying, his numbers in two years are as good as Chris Johnson's. And I think hes a pretty safe bet too.
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    So do they go with Leinart, or do they bring in another QB.

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    Give Leinart a chance, he has looked great in flashes.

    Warner's retirement speech was pretty cool. Great dude, one of the best stories in NFL history and he'll enjoy a well earned HoF spot. Great season to end on, no SB but he played his best season in many years. All the hype was about Favre playing so great at his age, well Warner is only a few years behind him and he was every bit as good all season (Exception being that 1 blunder with the 5 ints but it happens). If the criteria were just based on your ability to move an offense forward, Warner is definitely a top 5 QB in history (Not calling him top 5 or not, just wanted to throw due props to his arm).

    Take a few notes on how to end a career properly, Favre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two24four View Post
    So do they go with Leinart, or do they bring in another QB.
    I've heard rumors that they may try and go for McNabb if possible. Word in ARI is that Leinart just isn't the guy.

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    McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.
    And fantasy wise it would help Fitzy and Boldin. I don't see them guys being nearly as productive with Leinart at the helm. Also, if Leinart is the starting QB next year, I can see Whisenhunt going to a run-based offense like he was used to seeing in PIT.

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    McNabb's psychic has already ruled out this possibility. Sorry Fitz/Boldin owners.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,216343



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    Good luck to Warner and his wife Spike. Warner's journey to the NFL was always one of my favorite sports stories.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    Good luck to Warner and his wife Spike. Warner's journey to the NFL was always one of my favorite sports stories.
    haha, have you seen her now, she grew her hair in, she's not bad looking now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.
    I'm not so sure. Warner is 1 of the most accurate QB's that I have ever seen. Accuracy just might be McNabb's greatest weakness. That said, Fitzgerald catches anything within 10 yards of him so that would help.


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    McNabb would excel anywhere in the league. He is one of the best.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    McNabb would excel anywhere in the league. He is one of the best.
    I don't necessarily agree ONLY because of the absolutely ridiuculous QB standard we currently experience today. By comaprison of a league with 10-11 4000 yard passers, hes just a good QB.

    Doc, you hit the nail on the head, its just that McNab is more than good enough to throw it within those 10 yds. Jackson is a great deep threat but Fitzgerald is a great everything threat and is a reciever McNab simply hasn't been used to throwing to since TO (I consider LF much better than TO when he was on the Eagles). Boldin isn't half bad either. I guess I don't want to necessarily imply that the Cards were built for McNab, moreso I just think he would enjoy the offense more than the Eagle's.

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    In my eyes, Warner is a HOF QB. That said, has there ever been another QB that had his circumstances on his way to a HOF career?? I'm not even talking about bagging groceries and playing in the Arena League. I'm talking about 2 specific breaks that, if not for them, he might have had no career let alone a HOF career. If Trent Green never got hurt in the preseason and if Matt Leinart cared about football as much as he does about pussy, Warner might have been nothing more than an unknown backup.

    Apologies for the aside but this intrigues me. You could throw Unitas into the mix. Other than that, I got nothing.


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    Eh ultimately I can't give you a name off the top of my head but I guarentee you plenty of HoF's had injurys (Like Warner's bad concussion to finish his St Louis career) that forced them to earn a starting spot back, and I'm sure many others had to simply sit and wait for years.

    As for Trent Green getting injured, well thats probably the most remarkable chapter in Warner's story. The way he immediately showed up and absolutely dominated the league in route to his MVP title is probably the one season that earns him the HoF seat above all others. Its fortunate but again, not unheard of at all. Look at the Collins/Young situation. Its a yearly occurance that a backup at some position will emerge over an injured starter and make a great impact.

    But you know, I'm sure tons of HoF's never even would've started in college if some dude ahead of them didn't get injured, and never even make it to the NFL draft. It can't be unheard of or horribly uncommon. I do doub't that anyones had quite as long a list of fortuitous circumstances as Warner (likewise I doubt anyone has had as long a list of BAD circumstance as Warner and still made the HoF).

    But I'm a karma guy so I see Warner as getting his due, not getting lucky. Because two opportunities to start an NFL game is the least he deserved for all he did to make it back to the NFL level.
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