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two24four
02-14-2012, 10:11 AM
Word is the Blue Jackets are now willing to do anything that will help the team long term, even trading Nash for the right offer. Don't forget he has a NTC though, so he can say no to a deal.

Sounds like the Rangers want him pretty bad.

Hamsterkill
02-14-2012, 10:25 AM
I'm skeptical that trading Nash would end up being helpful for them long term... they don't have a great recent history with trades they've made.

two24four
02-14-2012, 10:26 AM
Darren Dreger twitter.


Harder we dig, the more info that is beginning to surface re: Nash availability.

Raja
02-14-2012, 10:31 AM
I'd be very surprised if he din't waive his NTC for nearly any team. With NYR so close to the cap though, who do they move? Dubinsky or Wolski would be in the deal most likely, but that's not even close to fair value. I can't see them moving Richards, and if they move Gaborik it'd be a downgrade.

two24four
02-14-2012, 10:37 AM
Not trying to sound like a homer, but the Leafs could put together a pretty good package for him. Something like Schenn, Kadri, Kulemin + a 1st round pick.

Hamsterkill
02-14-2012, 10:38 AM
I don't think this will happen, but it'd be interesting if Phoenix tried to make a play for him. That franchise needs to find a new face for itself for when Doan finishes his career. Such a thing might make it more attractive for a buyer.

two24four
02-14-2012, 10:56 AM
Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are hinting that Nash has asked out and that he's "driving the bus" on where he ends up with his NMC.

As b_ would say, let's hope he wants to come home and play for the Leafs :D

b_illin
02-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are hinting that Nash has asked out and that he's "driving the bus" on where he ends up with his NMC.

As b_ would say, let's hope he wants to come home and play for the Leafs :D :hyper::hyper:

Dubz
02-14-2012, 11:26 AM
He just might want to be a Leaf you know....but obviously its up to him. AND we would have to give up a shit ton.

The Leafs have alot of guys ready for contracts this year and next. Id expect those guys on the front burner. Its not like they dont have enough talent to send back.

Fingers crossed. :fingersx:In Burke we trust!!

toronto1979
02-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Burke was able to turn a pile of scraps into Phaneuf. Can he do the same for Nash or Carter? :fingersx:

two24four
02-14-2012, 12:04 PM
I don't think Burke would take Carter.

Also don't forget Nash is good buddies with Jumbo Joe, so I wonder if he would ok a deal to SJ if they want him.

two24four
02-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Doug MacLean who knows Nash well just said on the radio that he does not think Nash would just give a list of one or two teams to go too, he thinks he will give a list of at least 10 teams. He went onto say if Crosby does not come back soon he could see the Pens going after Nash to play with Malkin.

phaneuf6
02-14-2012, 12:25 PM
I've been talking to Nash's agent lately as he's been mentoring me a bit as I start out into the player agent business... maybe I'll give him a call later and see what's up. :naughty: Go Leafs Go! :lol:

chgorman
02-14-2012, 12:34 PM
Nash would look good in a Wings uni. DET has the cap space, they'll make the playoffs and I'd have to think would be considered a top contender for the cup this year (assuming Nash wants to go to a contender, of course). DET isn't as close to home as TOR or BUF but is still pretty close (assuming Nash wants to play closer to home of course). Wings have some quality assets in Grand Rapids and on the current roster that I'd have to think they'd be willing to move if they could land Nash.

Not saying it would happen by any means, but the possibility is there based on the factors involved, assuming he wants to play for a contender closer to home.

phaneuf6
02-14-2012, 01:37 PM
I just don't see Kenny Holland making that move right now.. he's never been known to do that kind of thing. They'd need to give up Smith, Tatar, and more... besides, why trade Nash within the division? I think it was Pierre Lebrun on Twitter this morning who said not a chance he goes within the West.

chgorman
02-14-2012, 04:03 PM
I just don't see Kenny Holland making that move right now.. he's never been known to do that kind of thing. They'd need to give up Smith, Tatar, and more... besides, why trade Nash within the division? I think it was Pierre Lebrun on Twitter this morning who said not a chance he goes within the West.

Yeah, it's highly unlikely CBJ would trade him within the division, and I'm certainly not overly hopeful or expecting it to happen, but I wouldn't put it past Kenny H to pull something like this off. He's never been able to pull off a move like this in the recent past because they've never had the cap space to do so, but they've got lots of space right now and could certainly afford it. I don't see them giving up Smith with Lids' retirement coming sooner than later, but I could see them possibly moving guys like Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Pulkkinen and/or some picks in a deal (not all of those guys, but maybe one or two along with a pick or picks and/or a roster player or two). Put it this way, I'd be surprised if Kenny H didn't at least inquire about what it would take. Guys like Nash don't become available every day.

It's very unlikely, but a guy can hope!

Anybody know what are the chances are that NJ moves Parise by the deadline? I haven't really been following his situation too closely, but I believe he's a FA at the end of this season, he could be a possibility if NJ is willing to move him provided they don't think they'll be able to re-sign him. That'd be pretty sweet too, and probably more likely than Nash to the Wings, given that NJ is in the East.

two24four
02-14-2012, 04:05 PM
Kypreos just tweeted that Nash has given CLB a list of teams, and he thinks it's very short.

b_illin
02-14-2012, 04:07 PM
Kypreos just tweeted that Nash has given CLB a list of teams, and he thinks it's very short.

Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto :yesyes::yesyes::yesyes::yesyes:

Hamsterkill
02-14-2012, 04:11 PM
The Devils have been pretty consistent in saying that they're not trading Parise at the deadline thus far. If they end up unable to sign him, they may trade his negotiating rights before July so as not to lose him for nothing.

two24four
02-14-2012, 04:12 PM
Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto :yesyes::yesyes::yesyes::yesyes:

Why do I have a feeling you went out and picked up a Nash Leafs jersey today :D

(by the way, check your PM's)

two24four
02-14-2012, 06:12 PM
Guys on TSN are saying if he is traded to the Leafs CLB will want Gardiner for sure in any deal, not sure I like that.

WIS
02-14-2012, 06:56 PM
Guys on TSN are saying if he is traded to the Leafs CLB will want Gardiner for sure in any deal, not sure I like that.
No thanks. He's an up and coming star defenseman. We'll keep him.

habsfan1
02-14-2012, 07:11 PM
He just might want to be a Leaf you know....but obviously its up to him. AND we would have to give up a shit ton.

The Leafs have alot of guys ready for contracts this year and next. Id expect those guys on the front burner. Its not like they dont have enough talent to send back.

Fingers crossed. :fingersx:In Burke we trust!!

F@% (F@%)& me, If you listen to TSN and the trade rumuors everyone is going to be a leaf.

WIS
02-14-2012, 11:29 PM
F@%& me, If you listen to TSN and the trade rumuors everyone is going to be a leaf.
Well the way they are playing I could see Burke doing something very soon and well before the trade dead line.

Dubz
02-15-2012, 01:37 AM
F@%& me, If you listen to TSN and the trade rumuors everyone is going to be a leaf.

Dont be a tool. Its all speculation. Its not like we are talking about Kaberle or Rene Bourque here:p

habsfan1
02-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Dont be a tool. Its all speculation. Its not like we are talking about Kaberle or Rene Bourque here:p

Kaberle and Bourque weren't speculation, those were actual trades, even if they weren't good ones for Montreal.

But if you look at the specualtion (which is a better word, I agree in this scenario, then rumour) Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, JVR, and now Rick Nash are going to be Leafs. I think at one point the Sedin twins were going to be signed to reunite with Burke once they became free agents.

I'm waiting for the speculation to start on Shea Weber and Ryan Suter in the off-season.

two24four
02-15-2012, 10:44 AM
Not to sound like a homer here, but TSN, Sportsnet etc.... know who to sell the trade deadline, July 1st etc....too, Leafs fans are everywhere, which is why they are always the early game on Saturday night. Just look at last nights game in Calgary, the crowd looked at least 50/50. Also look at this Saturday's game, they are in VAN yet the game is still at 7pm EST, which is 4pm in VAN, they don't want to lose that big Leafs following at 10pm EST.

szuturon
02-15-2012, 03:56 PM
Why do I have a feeling you went out and picked up a Nash Leafs jersey today :D

(by the way, check your PM's)

I'm not even kidding when I say I saw a fan wearing a Nash 61 Toronto jersey at the Marlies game a little under a month ago.

EDIT: unless he was a Tyson Nash fan... I dun remember what number he wore though :P

two24four
02-16-2012, 11:44 AM
Sounds like Tampa has asked Kubina to waive his NTC.

canuckthug
02-16-2012, 02:11 PM
These are the rumor`d teams on Nash`s short list:

Boston Bruins
Los Angeles Kings
New York Rangers
San Jose Sharks
Toronto Maple Leafs


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387983

Kyle
02-16-2012, 04:02 PM
Kings and Sharks are odd choices.

phaneuf6
02-16-2012, 04:24 PM
Vancouver is also believed to be on the list.

LA and San Jose aren't really weird choices Kyle. Nash and Thornton are good friends and he's played with a number of the Sharks on Canadian national teams before.

LA has Mike Richards there who he's played with, and they're probably a Rick Nash player away from being one of the favourites for the Cup this year.

Plus they're both in California.

Buckeye
02-16-2012, 04:42 PM
My heart is aching over this.....
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/2/16/whats-the-price-for-nash.html

two24four
02-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Most people seem to think LA is the team who wants him the most. Word is they are willing to start with Jack Johnson and Johnathan Bernier.

Also reports that Ryan Miller is willing to waive his NMC, but only for CHI.

Maybe Patrick Kane going home to BUF for Miller.

two24four
02-16-2012, 06:02 PM
Dallas traded Nicklas Grossman to the Flyers for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Hamsterkill
02-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Most people seem to think LA is the team who wants him the most. Word is they are willing to start with Jack Johnson and Johnathan Bernier.

Also reports that Ryan Miller is willing to waive his NMC, but only for CHI.

Maybe Patrick Kane going home to BUF for Miller.
I've heard that one a lot. Not out of the question... but I will still be flabbergasted to see Miller get traded. Enroth does not look like he'll ever be Miller's equal. I feel like LA and Chicago would make more natural trading partners if Chicago wants to trade Kane for a goalie.

alias
02-16-2012, 07:07 PM
Most people seem to think LA is the team who wants him the most. Word is they are willing to start with Jack Johnson and Johnathan Bernier.


If that's true he's likely going to LA. CBJ needs a #1 goalie and Bernier will be a stud. I don't think anybody else on his list besides Boston can offer a goalie of that calibre. Wonder if Boston would move TT for Nash....

two24four
02-16-2012, 07:18 PM
If that's true he's likely going to LA. CBJ needs a #1 goalie and Bernier will be a stud. I don't think anybody else on his list besides Boston can offer a goalie of that calibre. Wonder if Boston would move TT for Nash....

I think if it was Boston it would have to be Rask, Seguin etc....I doubt they would want TT at his age, they are trying to rebuild.

Some talk that VAN might move Schneider in a package for Nash.

Nash-Sedin-Sedin would be unreal.

two24four
02-16-2012, 07:22 PM
Second trade of the day, Tampa traded Moore and a 7th round pick to SJ for a 2nd round pick.

Things are picking up now.

Doctego
02-16-2012, 08:05 PM
I think if it was Boston it would have to be Rask, Seguin etc....I doubt they would want TT at his age, they are trying to rebuild.

Some talk that VAN might move Schneider in a package for Nash.

Nash-Sedin-Sedin would be unreal.

Yeah. There's no reason why Columbus would want Thomas.

Jake
02-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Dominic Moore and a 7th round pick to SJ for their 2nd round pick. Its not earth shattering, but hopefully its the start of something

dw13
02-16-2012, 08:17 PM
Liked Moore, but that's a good return for him. Moore is definitely someone that will help SJ.

Think his contract is up anyways?

Tampa will be sellers, not that their loaded with players teams want.

MrScientist
02-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Liked Moore, but that's a good return for him. Moore is definitely someone that will help SJ.

Think his contract is up anyways?

Tampa will be sellers, not that their loaded with players teams want.

In a radio interview, Yzerman said that Kubina wouldn't be re-signed this summer anyway as they're looking to take the defense in a different direction. If he gets a similar return to Moore I'm all for it. All those top 60 picks could come in handy for trade purposes.

dw13
02-16-2012, 08:39 PM
In a radio interview, Yzerman said that Kubina wouldn't be re-signed this summer anyway as they're looking to take the defense in a different direction. If he gets a similar return to Moore I'm all for it. All those top 60 picks could come in handy for trade purposes.

Yeah Kubina is obviously the other one that TB would love to offload.

two24four
02-17-2012, 02:20 PM
Habs traded Hal Gill to NSH for Geoffrion, Slaney, plus a 2nd round pick.

alias
02-17-2012, 03:08 PM
Habs traded Hal Gill to NSH for Geoffrion, Slaney, plus a 2nd round pick.

ugh. Thats really the best they could get?

b_illin
02-17-2012, 03:11 PM
ugh. Thats really the best they could get?

Dude, we're talking Hal Gill here....that's a solid return!

(what did you expect??)

Hamsterkill
02-17-2012, 03:12 PM
ugh. Thats really the best they could get?
A second rounder for Hal seems to have been the going rate for him the last few times he was traded. You guys got some spare parts thrown into the deal as well. I think that was a pretty good return for Gill.

two24four
02-17-2012, 03:42 PM
Yeah that is a really good deal for Gill, you should be happy.

alias
02-17-2012, 03:44 PM
I dunno...I guess its not that bad....Slaney will probably never play an NHL game and Geoffrion has 9 points in 20 AHL games this year at 24 years old. If he makes the big show I doubt he makes an impact. So they basically got a 2nd rounder for him. He's the type of guy that could be the final piece in a Cup run and a huge part of a PK which is huge in the playoffs.

Hamsterkill
02-17-2012, 03:57 PM
I dunno...I guess its not that bad....Slaney will probably never play an NHL game and Geoffrion has 9 points in 20 AHL games this year at 24 years old. If he makes the big show I doubt he makes an impact. So they basically got a 2nd rounder for him. He's the type of guy that could be the final piece in a Cup run and a huge part of a PK which is huge in the playoffs.
I think that's why you got the 2nd rounder that you did. Plus Geoffrion also put up 8 points in 20 games for the Preds last year (his first pro year), so he'll probably be serviceable in the lineup somewhere.

alias
02-17-2012, 04:35 PM
also I'd say Gill is more valuable than Grossman is and Dallas got a 2nd & a 3rd for him

Doctego
02-17-2012, 04:38 PM
Is there another Hal Gill in the league that I don't know about?:lol:

alias
02-17-2012, 05:03 PM
Is there another Hal Gill in the league that I don't know about?:lol:

nope. its the same Hal Gill who has more points than Grossman, more blocked shots than Grossman, more playoff experience than Grossman, and basically dominated on the leagues #1 penalty kill.

Kyle
02-17-2012, 05:23 PM
nope. its the same Hal Gill who has more points than Grossman, more blocked shots than Grossman, more playoff experience than Grossman, and basically dominated on the leagues #1 penalty kill.

Dude, 36 yrs old, 8 points in 53 games, come on now...no one is denying his niche roll on a team but lets stop painting him like some trophy catch. Grossman is a full decade younger. Pretty easy to settle. 2nd rounder for a very old penalty-killing specialist sounds perfect.

"More points than Grossman" haha way to mislead the reader. Yes I suppose technically 8 beats 5 but I don't think either worthless stat was worth bragging about.

Habs did good.

two24four
02-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Hal Gill is just ok, that's it, he's a good depth guy for the playoffs.

Did you think you would get Ryan Ellis plus a 1st round pick for Gill from NSH?

Take the 2nd round pick and be happy.

redwingbill
02-17-2012, 08:17 PM
How would you guys rank the potential goalies available through a deal for Nash. Bernier, Rask and Schneider? Just hypothetical here, doubt the last two are available. Which potential trading partner brings the best return? Thanks!




rwb

alias
02-17-2012, 08:23 PM
I'm not saying Gill is a God, I'm comparing him to Grossman using what Dallas got in return for Grossman to gauge the value and compare that to what Montreal got for Gill.

What is a Cup contender trying to do? Add the right piece to the puzzle without giving up any roster players. Both Nashville & Philadelphia did that, I just think Gill is a more valuable commodity than Grossman. Age is a non-factor as both players are UFA's after this year. You can talk about age, speed, offensive ability, or whatever you want, bottom line is Gill will help a team to a Cup more than Grossman will this year. That's the only point I'm trying to make here.

Kyle
02-17-2012, 09:14 PM
bottom line is Gill will help a team to a Cup more than Grossman will this year.

Based on 3 points and Montreal's penalty killing %? This is ridiculous. You've covered perhaps 3% of what Dallas/Nashville probably considered when choosing which player they wanted. Theres LOTS of factors, lots of things to consider with chemistry with other players and whatnot. Its not as simple as naming irrelevant points and acting like you've proven Gill is worth more. Obviously the NHL disagrees.

Man, both of these guys are mediocre at best. Who cares. Montreal got a good return for Gill.

szuturon
02-18-2012, 04:44 AM
Am I to understand that the current consensus is that a 3rd round pick is better than Geoffrion? A 3rd round pick may not even make it to the NHL, where as Geoffrion is a former 2nd round pick who has at least made appearances to the NHL. Even in the godly draft year of 2003 you can see the list of 3rd rounds is less than 50%.

Doctego
02-18-2012, 08:03 AM
Am I to understand that the current consensus is that a 3rd round pick is better than Geoffrion? A 3rd round pick may not even make it to the NHL, where as Geoffrion is a former 2nd round pick who has at least made appearances to the NHL. Even in the godly draft year of 2003 you can see the list of 3rd rounds is less than 50%.

Apparently, we are ignoring the 2 players they also received and are just looking at draft picks.:lol:

habsfan1
02-18-2012, 08:16 AM
I don't think any teams would have given up a #1 pick for a 36 year old Gill so Montreal did alright here. Also of note is his contract is up after this year so he is a rental player.

As far as Gill goes I think people are focusing too much on his regular season. It's when the play-offs roll around that Gill shines, with his long reach and his big body he blocks a lot of shots.

Doctego
02-18-2012, 08:27 AM
I don't think any teams would have given up a #1 pick for a 36 year old Gill so Montreal did alright here. Also of note is his contract is up after this year so he is a rental player.

As far as Gill goes I think people are focusing too much on his regular season. It's when the play-offs roll around that Gill shines, with his long reach and his big body he blocks a lot of shots.

Gill certainly has some value. I think that most of us think that fair value is a 2nd rounder and they also got 2 bodies for him. I don't like comparing deals because, often times, it's apples-to-oranges but he seems to think that a 3rd rounder has more value than the 2 players. I'm not ready to say that.

two24four
02-18-2012, 02:52 PM
If CLB was not shopping Steve Mason before today I bet they are now. After being pulled after the 4th goal he let in he started yelling at the coach while on the bench. The guys calling the game went off talking about Mason saying who does this kid think he is etc....

WIS
02-18-2012, 03:54 PM
If CLB was not shopping Steve Mason before today I bet they are now. After being pulled after the 4th goal he let in he started yelling at the coach while on the bench. The guys calling the game went off talking about Mason saying who does this kid think he is etc....
A Patrick Roy incident!

habsfan1
02-18-2012, 04:30 PM
A Patrick Roy incident!

Except Steve Mason is no Patrick Roy

dw13
02-18-2012, 06:37 PM
Kubina to Philly. Waiting on for what.

LeBrun says 2 draft picks.

phaneuf6
02-18-2012, 07:12 PM
2nd and 4th rounder. Nice return. Philly now has a great veteran defense. Look out Eastern Conference.

gogoayane
02-18-2012, 07:17 PM
Awesome trade for both teams - PHI gets a veteran D they needed and TB gets some picks for the rebuild. Smart of Holgram go get these two deals done early before the deadline.

dw13
02-18-2012, 07:23 PM
Tampa is going to be in a great position to do what they want come draft day.

phaneuf6
02-18-2012, 10:41 PM
Tampa is going to be in a great position to do what they want come draft day.

Maybe, but this year's draft isn't great.

HT9
02-21-2012, 04:01 PM
Steve Downie traded to the Avs. No word yet on who's going the other way.

two24four
02-21-2012, 04:11 PM
Steve Downie traded to the Avs. No word yet on who's going the other way.

It's Downie for Kyle Quincey.

Nice trade for the Avs.

two24four
02-21-2012, 04:19 PM
Wow, Bob McKenzie is now saying on twitter that he's hearing TB is trading Quincey to DET for a 1st round pick, now that would make the deal better for TB if true.

dw13
02-21-2012, 04:24 PM
Great move by Tampa, again.

Going to miss Downie but for a 1st rounder? Thank ya.


Maybe, but this year's draft isn't great.

I think Stevie Y feels different.

two24four
02-21-2012, 04:32 PM
Great move by Tampa, again.

Going to miss Downie but for a 1st rounder? Thank ya.



I think Stevie Y feels different.

It's really not the best draft ever. 2013 will be a better class.

This pick will be really late in round 1 as well.

dw13
02-21-2012, 04:38 PM
It's really not the best draft ever. 2013 will be a better class.

This pick will be really late in round 1 as well.

Not sure why you guys keep saying it's not a good draft. Stevie Y clearly has a plan, either in the draft or moving those picks for something else. I'll follow his plan.

Late in round 1 is still round 1.

And we could have 4 picks in the second.

two24four
02-21-2012, 04:40 PM
With two first round picks for this coming draft, if he still has them when the draft rolls around, he would be wise to trade one of them for a 1st round pick next season, much more depth in the 2013 draft.

One player in this years draft they should be looking at though is goalie Malcom Subban, kid is a great goalie, might even be the starter next season for Canada at the World Jr's.

dw13
02-21-2012, 04:43 PM
Like I said, I think he has a plan. We'll see how it plays out, he has my belief.

phaneuf6
02-21-2012, 04:59 PM
We're saying it's not a good draft because we watch the kids going into it and we know it's not a good draft :lol:. I would think he's stockpiling picks to send off to LA or VAN for a goalie.

canuckthug
02-21-2012, 05:01 PM
Colorado wins this deal. F***. Downie woulda looked good in a Canuck uni. OH well, Canucks can still land Morrow!!!

dw13
02-21-2012, 05:01 PM
We're saying it's not a good draft because we watch the kids going into it and we know it's not a good draft :lol:. I would think he's stockpiling picks to send off to LA or VAN for a goalie.

Yeah. I get that you watch juniors.

Doesn't mean that the Lightning's FO agrees with your assessment... That's all I'm meaning.

And I hope that's his plan.

two24four
02-21-2012, 05:31 PM
After the first 10-15 picks of this years draft I could see alot of teams more willing to trade their 1st round picks more then most years.

Hamsterkill
02-21-2012, 05:35 PM
Colorado wins this deal. F***. Downie woulda looked good in a Canuck uni. OH well, Canucks can still land Morrow!!!

Interestingly, it seems the immediate fan reaction is that Colorado could have got more for Quincey. Probably just fan sentimentality, though, at least in part.

Also interestingly, Detroit just paid a 1st rounder for a player they cut a few years ago.

dw13
02-21-2012, 05:38 PM
Interestingly, it seems the immediate fan reaction is that Colorado could have got more for Quincey. Probably just fan sentimentality, though, at least in part.

Also interestingly, Detroit just paid a 1st rounder for a player they cut a few years ago.

John Buccigross tweeted that someone 'in the know' told him Quincey isn't a great teammate.

Kevin Porter instantly tweeted him back that it's not true.

Makes it somewhat interesting, I guess.

Kyle
02-21-2012, 07:38 PM
Interestingly, it seems the immediate fan reaction is that Colorado could have got more for Quincey. Probably just fan sentimentality, though, at least in part.

Also interestingly, Detroit just paid a 1st rounder for a player they cut a few years ago.

Interesting but understandable. It was a mistake ever getting rid of him for Lebdla/Lilja. Quincey should be a really solid fit for us, hes matured really well in the league.

"Not a good teammate" lol not to sound pompous but this is the Red Wings. Bullshit like that is a non factor within the organization right now, locker room strife doesn't exist on this roster. Quincey will buy into established success like a good soldier ant.

dw13
02-21-2012, 07:55 PM
"Not a good teammate" lol not to sound pompous but this is the Red Wings. Bullshit like that is a non factor within the organization right now, locker room strife doesn't exist on this roster. Quincey will buy into established success like a good soldier ant.

Has absolutely nothing to do with why I posted it.

If Colorado fans feel they should of gotten more for him, Quincey being a sour apple in the locker room could of possibly been one of the reasons they didn't.

We all know Detroit will handle that, even if he's a bad apple.

Kyle
02-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Ah fair enough, should've read back a bit farther. I can see why Col fans wouldn't want to lose their top scoring D-man for a 1st but it sounds like they're overrating Quincey a bit.

alias
02-21-2012, 09:01 PM
We're saying it's not a good draft because we watch the kids going into it and we know it's not a good draft :lol:. I would think he's stockpiling picks to send off to LA or VAN for a goalie.

to be fair you watch the OHL kids, and don't get me wrong I trust your guys' opinion on those kids that you watch but you both (you and 24) have said before you don't see much of the W or Q, and I doubt you catch much of the young guys in the states or in Europe, so maybe the OHL section of the draft isn't deep, but maybe other parts of the draft are deeper. More and more Americans are being drafted, and it seems GMs are getting a bit more comfortable drafting Russians.

Hamsterkill
02-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Ah fair enough, should've read back a bit farther. I can see why Col fans wouldn't want to lose their top scoring D-man for a 1st but it sounds like they're overrating Quincey a bit.

Well, it was for Downie they lost him. Tampa got DET's 1st.

Kyle
02-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Oops, duh. I still think Downie is a solid enough return.

szuturon
02-21-2012, 11:13 PM
Deep draft or not, you cannot deny this was a pretty great deal by the Lightning. I am sure Yzerman will be content with simply using his many draft picks if he can't get any deals done. Even a late 1st can be an incredibly valuable prospect. Maybe not one that lights up other teams night in night out, but there are other aspects of the game that are important.

Jake
02-21-2012, 11:34 PM
I remember being pissed when the Wings let Quincy go to keep Lebda/Lilja.... Now it cost them a first round pick to get him back

Edit: I wouldnt have minded if he were a right handed shot, but the Wings aready have a ton of left handed shooters

Buckeye
02-22-2012, 06:57 PM
The Blue Jackets have traded forward Antoine Vermette to the Phoenix Coyotes for two draft picks and goaltender Curtis McElhinney.

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2012/02/vermette-traded-to-phoenix.html

dw13
02-23-2012, 03:07 PM
Schneider and Rask are RFA's coming up right?

What are the Canucks/Bruins cap situation? Is a situation possible to where the Lightning could offer a sheet either of those teams COULDN'T match?

Just curious about some of you people who know a ton more than me.

canuckthug
02-23-2012, 03:21 PM
Schneider will most likely be dealt at the draft, thus avoiding the FA hoopla. Its gonna be hard for the Canucks to re-sign him because it puts too much salary in the goalie position and no way Vancouver lets him walk without getting goods & services in return.

habsfan1
02-23-2012, 03:25 PM
Schneider and Rask are RFA's coming up right?

What are the Canucks/Bruins cap situation? Is a situation possible to where the Lightning could offer a sheet either of those teams COULDN'T match?

Just curious about some of you people who know a ton more than me.

Go to capgeek.com and they have a ton of info on there

Hamsterkill
02-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Schneider and Rask are RFA's coming up right?

What are the Canucks/Bruins cap situation? Is a situation possible to where the Lightning could offer a sheet either of those teams COULDN'T match?

Just curious about some of you people who know a ton more than me.

Both VAN and BOS are currently set to have some cap space open up next season and neither really has other RFAs to sign besides the goalies. You'd probably still have to overpay significantly on the offer to have it not get matched unless the teams make a splash in the UFA market as well.

b_illin
02-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Schneider and Rask are RFA's coming up right?

What are the Canucks/Bruins cap situation? Is a situation possible to where the Lightning could offer a sheet either of those teams COULDN'T match?

Just curious about some of you people who know a ton more than me.

I see the B's keeping Rask and getting rid of Thomas.

Hamsterkill
02-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Schneider will most likely be dealt at the draft, thus avoiding the FA hoopla. Its gonna be hard for the Canucks to re-sign him because it puts too much salary in the goalie position and no way Vancouver lets him walk without getting goods & services in return.

I thought I heard the Canucks would prefer to keep Schneider if they could move or cut Lu via the next CBA.

dw13
02-23-2012, 03:44 PM
Thanks, fellas.

canuckthug
02-23-2012, 04:18 PM
I thought I heard the Canucks would prefer to keep Schneider if they could move or cut Lu via the next CBA.

The Canucks would love to keep Schneider if they can and its not completely out of the realm of possibility to deal Luongo at some point... however, those big decisions depend on this years playoffs. Once the playoffs are over, the Canuck's can make a more calculated decision. As far preference is concerned, i have not heard (specifically GM Gillis) mention he would rather have Schneid's over Lu and I wouldn't expect him to make those disparaging remarks towards his #1.

dw13
02-23-2012, 05:49 PM
LAK and CBJ are working hard to get a Jeff Carter trade done -- Jack Johnson's name featured prominently as well -- but told not done. Yet.

Kyle
02-23-2012, 05:53 PM
The Bruins would be braindead dipshits to get rid of Rask and go with Thomas at this point. I give that somewhere between a 0 and .0001% chance of that happening, and that .00001 is some dumbass team throwing him 9 million. Rask is Boston's goalie of the next dozen+ years barring some catastrophic setback in his development. Hes the most valuable goalie of the NHL's future, contested only slightly by Carey Price and I can't see Boston letting him go. That said I haven't done the slightest bit of research into the cap logistics behind the situation but I see Boston sacrificing anything before losing Rask.

dw13
02-23-2012, 05:54 PM
The Bruins would be braindead dipshits to get rid of Rask and go with Thomas at this point. I give that somewhere between a 0 and 0 % chance of happening.

I wasn't really saying they would do it by choice.

I was thinking if their cap number is high, and the Lightning (with room) can offer more $ then they can afford... maybe they could slide in.

But it was answered.

two24four
02-23-2012, 06:07 PM
They just said on SN that Carter to the Kings could happen tonight.

Hamsterkill
02-23-2012, 06:07 PM
The Bruins would be braindead dipshits to get rid of Rask and go with Thomas at this point. I give that somewhere between a 0 and .0001% chance of that happening, and that .00001 is some dumbass team throwing him 9 million. Rask is Boston's goalie of the next dozen+ years barring some catastrophic setback in his development. Hes the most valuable goalie of the NHL's future, contested only slightly by Carey Price and I can't see Boston letting him go. That said I haven't done the slightest bit of research into the cap logistics behind the situation but I see Boston sacrificing anything before losing Rask.
Rask hasn't really proven himself in that capacity over Pavelec yet as far as the 24-year-old tenders go.

Kyle
02-23-2012, 06:23 PM
I would honestly be amazed if any franchise in the NHL today would want Pavelec before Rask. One single franchise would surprise me more than I can tell you. Pavelec is a stud but Rask has to be projected to do much bigger and better things.

Rask's career numbers so far are incomprehensibly impressive. Its ridiculous what hes on pace to accomplish. Hes a much more valuable NHL goalie than Pavelec IMO as far as the rest of the league is concerned. 2.22 GAA over his first 100 games would be incredible enough, but you can't even excuse it through his strong team when you factor in his even more impressive career sv% of .928. You can't take away sv% from a goalie. Rask is scary.

gogoayane
02-23-2012, 07:08 PM
heard the same thing as well just now on the radio... I would be surprised if Bernier is going the other way without signing Quick to an extension first...

habsfan1
02-23-2012, 07:16 PM
Every time there is a new post here I have a very faint hope that Montreal traded Gomez for a leaky water bottle.

two24four
02-23-2012, 08:38 PM
Done deal, Carter for Johnson and a 1st round pick.

bearcats
02-23-2012, 08:39 PM
jeff carter to LA for J Johnson and a conditional 1st round pick pending a Physical....


will post a link when i find one

two24four
02-23-2012, 08:43 PM
McKenzie just said Dustin Brown is very much in play for a trade.

bearcats
02-23-2012, 08:52 PM
I am hearing the conditional pick in the carter/jj trade is this


If the Kings make the playoffs = 2013 first round pick

If not, CLB chooses 2012 or 2013 first round pick

Buckeye
02-23-2012, 08:56 PM
Reported first rounder in 2012 draft:
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2012/02/carter-traded-to-kings-for-johnson-pick.html

Hamsterkill
02-23-2012, 09:20 PM
McKenzie just said Dustin Brown is very much in play for a trade.

I don't understand why he would be. LA just got Carter for a playoff push. What would they want to trade Brown for when he'd likely be more valuable during the playoffs than Carter? What would they be looking for in return? It just doesn't make sense to me.

two24four
02-23-2012, 09:37 PM
I don't understand why he would be. LA just got Carter for a playoff push. What would they want to trade Brown for when he'd likely be more valuable during the playoffs than Carter? What would they be looking for in return? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Just a guess, but I could see them wanting to make Doughty or Richards captain.

Also, Dustin Brown is tredning in Canada because of these rumours.

Hamsterkill
02-24-2012, 11:35 AM
If Brown really is available I'm hoping the Sabres consider doing a trade for him. He's another player in the Drury mold that Ruff really knows how to use. And if LA is serious about making a push, they're probably not looking for the picks and prospects in return that the playoff contenders would want to give. Buffalo could sell some current asset for him (Roy, Vanek, Stafford or (please, please) Leino) since it's unlikely they're looking to make a playoff run at this point. Plus, Brown is a Western NY native (not that he'd have to approve the trade -- but it might make him easier to keep long-term if he works out under Ruff).

That said, I'd still find it surprising if LA really wanted to trade him.

two24four
02-24-2012, 11:57 AM
It's sounding like LA really is shopping Brown, guys from TSN say a ton of teams want him. They think they want Schenn plus Frattin from the Leafs for him.

Rumours are Leafs and Rangers are still going hard after Nash it sounds, but both might want to know by tomorrow from CLB so they can move onto plan B which sounds like Brown.

Dubz
02-24-2012, 04:08 PM
I said it earlier the Leafs can fit Nash. The players that are coming up for extensions/contracts are Grabs, Kulemin, Crabb, Gustavsson, Frattin, Franson, Aulie, Lashoff. Theres a few other guys they could move in a deal with any combo of these players including Schenn, Kahdri, Gunnerson, Gardiner, Komi (hey he is 3,5 for the next two yrs lol...never know lol), Bozak and Reimer. They also have a couple early round picks.

So to say the Blue Jackets wouldnt be interested in this bunch is just plain stupid. I wouldnt be trying to add Nash to try and make the playoffs this year. Id be thinking more long term with him. Hes a franchise guy and could lead this team to a decent playoff run next year or the year after.

b_illin
02-24-2012, 05:07 PM
I said it earlier the Leafs can fit Nash. The players that are coming up for extensions/contracts are Grabs, Kulemin, Crabb, Gustavsson, Frattin, Franson, Aulie, Lashoff. Theres a few other guys they could move in a deal with any combo of these players including Schenn, Kahdri, Gunnerson, Gardiner, Komi (hey he is 3,5 for the next two yrs lol...never know lol), Bozak and Reimer. They also have a couple early round picks.

So to say the Blue Jackets wouldnt be interested in this bunch is just plain stupid. I wouldnt be trying to add Nash to try and make the playoffs this year. Id be thinking more long term with him. Hes a franchise guy and could lead this team to a decent playoff run next year or the year after.

Totally - get it done Burke.!

two24four
02-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Iam ok with getting Nash as long as Kessel, Lupul and Gardiner are still Leafs after. Other then that I don't care what players or picks they trade for him.

alias
02-24-2012, 05:58 PM
I hope the Habs make an honest attempt at Brown. That would give us 5 or 6 wingers with size (if we resign AK & Moen) heading into next year. Give 'em Gionta, Weber & a 2nd for Brown

Pacioretty - DD- Cole
Bourque - Pleks - Brown
AK46 - Eller - Moen

Hamsterkill
02-24-2012, 06:30 PM
Where's Gomez there?

phaneuf6
02-24-2012, 06:34 PM
Where's Gomez there?


Hamilton where he should be.

Don't see the Kings taking on Gionta's contract.

WIS
02-24-2012, 09:04 PM
The New Jersey Devils have acquired defenceman Marek Zidlicky from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for defenceman Kurtis Foster, forwards Nick Palmieri and Stephane Veilleux as well as a second round pick in 2012 and a conditional third round draft pick in 2013.

WIS
02-24-2012, 09:05 PM
Hemsky re-signs with Edmonton for 2 years @ $10 million

alias
02-24-2012, 11:14 PM
Where's Gomez there?

Hamilton. Our 4th line would be Darche, Nokelainen & White. LeBlanc needs to mature in the AHL, as does Palushaj. Take a page from the Red Wings book of grooming players. Honestly wish a few players would have spent more time in the AHL, (Subban, Weber, Diaz) but we didn't have the luxury of enough NHL calibre players to fill in for injuries. Pacioretty knew what he was talking about when he requested to stay in Hamilton, and it's worked out well for him.

Dubz
02-25-2012, 12:12 PM
The New Jersey Devils have acquired defenceman Marek Zidlicky from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for defenceman Kurtis Foster, forwards Nick Palmieri and Stephane Veilleux as well as a second round pick in 2012 and a conditional third round draft pick in 2013.
Nice deal for Minny

phaneuf6
02-25-2012, 12:36 PM
Thought NJ actually did pretty well before the 2nd rounder. Bunch of spare parts really.

Dexter
02-25-2012, 12:54 PM
Wolski to Panthers... details to come.

phaneuf6
02-25-2012, 01:57 PM
Rangers dumping salary... Weiss hates Wolski. Should be interesting. :lol:

WIS
02-25-2012, 01:58 PM
Rangers dumping salary... Weiss hates Wolski. Should be interesting. :lol:

He does? Why :lol:

WIS
02-25-2012, 01:59 PM
The New York Rangers have traded forward Wojtek Wolski to the Florida Panthers in return for defenceman Michael Vernace and a third-round draft pick in 2013.

Wonder if this is in anticipation of Rick Nash..

phaneuf6
02-25-2012, 02:03 PM
Not sure, just haven't heard good things. They workout together in the summer with Roberts.

two24four
02-25-2012, 02:18 PM
Kurtis Foster I know is pumped to be going back to Minny, one of his good buddies is M. Koviu.

I have a feeling we will see alot of deals tomorrow (Sunday) I could be wrong, but just a feeling.

phaneuf6
02-25-2012, 02:42 PM
I think the Rangers have landed Nash... unbelievable.

canuckthug
02-25-2012, 02:52 PM
Gillis free'd up (4.2 Million?) in cap space by putting Ballard on LTIR. Canucks will make some moves for sure.

two24four
02-25-2012, 02:55 PM
I think the Rangers have landed Nash... unbelievable.

Yeah there are a few things popping on twiiter saying this, but nothing yet from McKenzie, Dreger, Kyper etc....so I will believe it when they post something on it, till then it's still just a rumour.

Kyle
02-25-2012, 04:45 PM
wow. Excited to hear what NYR traded (if true). If they didn't have to trade anyone important on their active roster they will be horrifying.

phaneuf6
02-25-2012, 04:51 PM
One of Del Zotto, McDonaugh, plus Dubinsky, a first, and maybe a prospect like Erixon or Thomas.

No idea why they wouldn't be using Nash to get a bonafide NHL goalie. Painful management. You let the guy who messed the team up rebuild it? Ridiculous.

two24four
02-25-2012, 04:57 PM
Still nothing from the insiders. They just posted saying Nash's agent said if he's not traded by Monday his list of teams won't change in the summer, that's all they have said though.

habsfan1
02-26-2012, 12:05 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388911

Bishop to Sens for a 2nd rounder

two24four
02-26-2012, 01:44 PM
Sucks to be Lehner. Bishop is more NHL ready.

two24four
02-26-2012, 02:47 PM
They said during the 2nd INT of the New Jersey/Tampa game that they are hearing CLB might offer Nash and Jack Johnson to the Rangers. Sounds like CLB wants Del Zotto pretty bad, but the Rangers don't want to give him up, so CLB is going to see if they would trade him if Johnson is in the deal.

Still just a rumour though.

Dexter
02-26-2012, 06:37 PM
Nick Kypreos and Katie Strang (ESPN-NY) report that the Rangers have backed out of the Rick Nash derby as CBJ hasn't lowered their asking price.

Links:
Katie Strang of ESPN New York (https://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmN58aPkk7XSyVhcIZ.lQ36Rbcp_;_ylu=X3oDMTFocm9 hZXB0BG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ 0JvZHlUZW1wQXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTM2a2prMzNsBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDZjMzZTlmZTUtMjZjNC0zMGNiLThlNDktM2QwNjg3Nj AxM2FlBHBzdGNhdANuaGx8cHVja2RhZGR5BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFn ZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=12qnmii33/EXP=1331508845/**https%3A//twitter.com/%23!/KatieStrangESPN/status/173900615821430784)
Nick Kypreos of Sportsnet (https://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmrnTjhfQNO5ibd_NrkPEF6Rbcp_;_ylu=X3oDMTFoNjR mYmZuBG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ 0JvZHlUZW1wQXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTM2a2prMzNsBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDZjMzZTlmZTUtMjZjNC0zMGNiLThlNDktM2QwNjg3Nj AxM2FlBHBzdGNhdANuaGx8cHVja2RhZGR5BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFn ZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=12k2ofls0/EXP=1331508845/**https%3A//twitter.com/%23!/RealKyper/status/173899416489574401)

canuckthug
02-27-2012, 10:59 AM
Quiet morning. Only 1 trade so far:


F - Andrei Kostitsyn to Nashville


2nd-Round Pick (2013)
Conditional 5th Round Pick (2013) to Montreal

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Quiet morning. Only 1 trade so far:


F - Andrei Kostitsyn to Nashville


2nd-Round Pick (2013)
Conditional 5th Round Pick (2013) to Montreal
Kostitsyn reunion? Hm.

canuckthug
02-27-2012, 11:35 AM
Kostitsyn reunion? Hm.

Good call, I thought it was the Hal Gill reunion!

Montreal clearly rebuilding which is no surprise (still think they lost the Camm deal though, wheres Alias with the progress report,), Habs got THREE 2nd rounders that im aware of so far.

bearcats
02-27-2012, 11:41 AM
thomas vokoun was just taken off the ice at the caps practice by Jim johnson...assistant coach....

Chicago or Tampa bound perhaps?

bearcats
02-27-2012, 11:43 AM
RT @kcarrera: Am told Vokoun has not been asked to waive his NMC. Unclear why he left practice at this point. #Caps







maybe nothing....maybe something....

habsfan1
02-27-2012, 12:00 PM
Good call, I thought it was the Hal Gill reunion!

Montreal clearly rebuilding which is no surprise (still think they lost the Camm deal though, wheres Alias with the progress report,), Habs got THREE 2nd rounders that im aware of so far.

They did lose the Camm deal, they could have gotten way more for him closer to the trade deadline, probably a good pick + a prospect, instead of Bourque.

bearcats
02-27-2012, 12:01 PM
Chip Alexander ‏ @ice_chip

Allen, Spacek have left ice. Other four D still out taking shots. Meaning? Maybe nothing.







perhaps on the move...Allen to chicago please...

alias
02-27-2012, 12:47 PM
Good call, I thought it was the Hal Gill reunion!

Montreal clearly rebuilding which is no surprise (still think they lost the Camm deal though, wheres Alias with the progress report,), Habs got THREE 2nd rounders that im aware of so far.


lol....I'm calling the Camms/Bourque deal even for now....depends how that 2nd rounder turns out but neither Camms or Bourque have seen much of a revitalization with the new scenery.

As for the AK deal, I'm not surprised he was dealt, nor that it was to Nashville, I just would have prefered a 2012 pick rather than a 2013 pick, but I guess the 2013 draft is deeper. And the conditional 5th round pick is the one we sent them with Gill.

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 12:50 PM
2013 draft is a lot deeper, that's why you see so many '13 draft picks flying around.

Lightning trade for Commodore from Detroit for a conditional 7th rounder... why?

chgorman
02-27-2012, 01:07 PM
WORST.

DEADLINE.

EVER.

3 trades involving 4 players so far. Brutal.

Hope some big deals come through before 3pm. I can't imagine what the TSN guys are talking about right now, considering how few deals have been made so far.

Anybody have an update on the Vokoun situation?

chgorman
02-27-2012, 01:12 PM
2013 draft is a lot deeper, that's why you see so many '13 draft picks flying around.

Lightning trade for Commodore from Detroit for a conditional 7th rounder... why?

not sure from TB's perspective. As for DET, maybe he was getting antsy being a healthy scratch every game despite Kindl's struggles, so he asked out. Kinda make me wonder, especially with Ericsson now out for a month, but I guess they feel that with the addition of Quincey and guys like B.Smith and Janik in the minors, they're ok going forward. I dunno, seems like an odd move to me. I'm gonna scour some DET news sources to see if I can find an explanation.\

edit: according to MLive.com, he was frustrated with being a healthy scratch all the time and privately asked Kenny H to do him a solid and trade him, which he did. Looks like B.Smith is gonna replace him on the active roster and get some playing time.

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 01:41 PM
not sure from TB's perspective. As for DET, maybe he was getting antsy being a healthy scratch every game despite Kindl's struggles, so he asked out. Kinda make me wonder, especially with Ericsson now out for a month, but I guess they feel that with the addition of Quincey and guys like B.Smith and Janik in the minors, they're ok going forward. I dunno, seems like an odd move to me. I'm gonna scour some DET news sources to see if I can find an explanation.\

edit: according to MLive.com, he was frustrated with being a healthy scratch all the time and privately asked Kenny H to do him a solid and trade him, which he did. Looks like B.Smith is gonna replace him on the active roster and get some playing time.


I can understand Detroit getting rid of a contract but Commodore has been irrelevant in the new NHL for the last couple of years... I don't know why Yzerman would give up a pick for him. The conditional part can probably save it, probably based on GP.

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 01:42 PM
Keith Aulie dealt to Tampa for Carter Ashton.

Not a fan of this deal at all.

two24four
02-27-2012, 01:56 PM
Sami Pahlsson to the Nucks.

two24four
02-27-2012, 02:00 PM
Sens traded Lee to Tampa for Gilroy.

b_illin
02-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Keith Aulie dealt to Tampa for Carter Ashton.

Not a fan of this deal at all.

I know nada about this Ashton kid....and all the other Leaf fans googling him are making it take forever to check him out....page loading...eternally!

(acquiring a big centre....perhaps Colbourne will be moved. I hope they just sit tight and make their deals in the offseason when the types of deals they need to make will be made)

two24four
02-27-2012, 02:05 PM
Both TSN and Sportsnet are saying the scouts love Ashton, think he's going to be a great NHL player. He has 19 goals in the AHL this season.

WIS
02-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Keith Aulie dealt to Tampa for Carter Ashton.

Not a fan of this deal at all.

19+16=35 in 56 games is not that bad

toronto1979
02-27-2012, 02:10 PM
all the other Leaf fans googling him are making it take forever to check him out....page loading...eternally!
Here's the info from Hockey's Future:

2010-11:
Ashton appeared in two AHL playoff games for Norfolk after putting up 71 points in 66 WHL games during the junior season and skating for Canada at the 2011 U20 World Junior Championships. He was scoreless and -3 in his two-game stint with the Admirals. Ashton skated in 29 games for Regina before a mid-season trade to Tri-City in the WHL. He finished the WHL regular season with 33 goals and 38 assists and was -6 with 106 PMs. Ashton scored 12 of his 17 power play goals with Tri-City and in ten playoff games for the Americans he had 3 goals with 5 assists and was -1 with 4 PMs. In seven games with silver medal-winning Canada at the junior tournament he had 1 goal with 2 assists and was +1 with 6 PMs.

Talent Analysis:
Ashton has developed into a consistent two-way performer and has quietly impressed scouts. Ashton possesses pro size and has demonstrated that he understands and accepts his role. A polished player with regards to the defensive nuances of the game he has added some offense to his game and drives to the net hard. Ashton's skating technique may need to improve as he advances to higher levels. Ashton is the son of former NHL winger Brent Ashton, who played 998 regular season games in the NHL.

Future:
Ashton will have an opportunity to win a roster spot with the Lightning in camp but will likely return to juniors for at least one more season. He is still developing in terms of skating, technical skills and offensive instincts but he has the desire, size and strength to be a successful power forward at the NHL level. He has the upside to be a top line player if he develops a complete offensive game.

b_illin
02-27-2012, 02:13 PM
Here's the info from Hockey's Future:

2010-11:
Ashton appeared in two AHL playoff games for Norfolk after putting up 71 points in 66 WHL games during the junior season and skating for Canada at the 2011 U20 World Junior Championships. He was scoreless and -3 in his two-game stint with the Admirals. Ashton skated in 29 games for Regina before a mid-season trade to Tri-City in the WHL. He finished the WHL regular season with 33 goals and 38 assists and was -6 with 106 PMs. Ashton scored 12 of his 17 power play goals with Tri-City and in ten playoff games for the Americans he had 3 goals with 5 assists and was -1 with 4 PMs. In seven games with silver medal-winning Canada at the junior tournament he had 1 goal with 2 assists and was +1 with 6 PMs.

Talent Analysis:
Ashton has developed into a consistent two-way performer and has quietly impressed scouts. Ashton possesses pro size and has demonstrated that he understands and accepts his role. A polished player with regards to the defensive nuances of the game he has added some offense to his game and drives to the net hard. Ashton's skating technique may need to improve as he advances to higher levels. Ashton is the son of former NHL winger Brent Ashton, who played 998 regular season games in the NHL.

Future:
Ashton will have an opportunity to win a roster spot with the Lightning in camp but will likely return to juniors for at least one more season. He is still developing in terms of skating, technical skills and offensive instincts but he has the desire, size and strength to be a successful power forward at the NHL level. He has the upside to be a top line player if he develops a complete offensive game.

Thanks! Sounds interesting. Maybe Grabs is going to get dealt. (despite Burke claiming he won't deal him...I'd take a 1st!)

(how much does it suck for Ashton's dad to have played 998 games in the NHL....two away from a silver stick!)

two24four
02-27-2012, 02:15 PM
Word is the Leafs are not done.

Also teams are still going after Nash.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 02:17 PM
Sami Pahlsson to the Nucks.

So where does Hodgson play on the depth chart now?

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 02:21 PM
So where does Hodgson play on the depth chart now?

Same spot? Isn't he on RW with Kesler?

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 02:26 PM
Same spot? Isn't he on RW with Kesler?

He is? I thought he was centering for Raymond on the 3rd line. His ice time is always so low for being on Kesler's line.

ih8music
02-27-2012, 03:14 PM
Sharks send McGinn + 2 prospects COL for Winnik and Galiardi.

two24four
02-27-2012, 03:19 PM
Wow, NSH sent BUF a 1st round pick for Gaustad.

Hospy
02-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Well, and a fourth round pick, but still that looks excessive...

two24four
02-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Leafs traded Dale Mitchell to the Ducks for Mark Fraser. Minor league deal.

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 03:29 PM
He is? I thought he was centering for Raymond on the 3rd line. His ice time is always so low for being on Kesler's line.


Can't be certain but I thought that was the line... I'm wrong I suppose.

Kyle
02-27-2012, 03:30 PM
How the fuck does a 1st round pick trade for Gaustad? I'll never have a slight grip on draft pick value in this sport. Absurd.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Wow, NSH sent BUF a 1st round pick for Gaustad.


Well, and a fourth round pick, but still that looks excessive...
Gaustad's more valuable than a lot of people think. Faceoff expert and defensive specialist. There were some analysts that thought he might have an outside chance at making Team USA last Olympics as a role player. And it is a 2012 pick they got, so it is the shallower draft.

I'm sad to see him go, actually. I'd have preferred to trade others. Still, Darcy managed a solid return for him so I can't complain too much.

canuckthug
02-27-2012, 03:35 PM
whoa! Hodgson is a Sabre... for Kassian.

edit:
how good is Zack Kassian?

wendel_
02-27-2012, 03:36 PM
whoa! Hodgson is a Sabre..

And Kassian going to Van...didn't see this one coming at all. At least the boring deadline is finishing with an interesting trade

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 03:36 PM
Oh. I guess that's where Hodgson goes. :lol:

I like the deal for both teams. Kassian wasn't looking like he was meshing well with Buffalo.

EDIT: And Buffalo really needed another prospect that had a shot at capably being a first line center eventually.

two24four
02-27-2012, 03:37 PM
whoa! Hodgson is a Sabre..

Yeah for Kassian from the sounds of it.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 03:40 PM
Gragnani for Sulzer too. Kinda disappointed to lose Gragnani, but I don't know much about Sulzer.

EDIT: Looks like he's a journeyman. That one's a little disappointing. I still don't get how Gragnani was made into such a goat by Buffalo. I think that part of the trade may come back to haunt them.

two24four
02-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Kassian is just what the Nucks need in the playoffs, he will be their Lucic.

b_illin
02-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Kassian & schneider for any leafs not named Gardiner, gunnar, phaneuf, kessel or lupul plz!

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 03:56 PM
Kassian & schneider for any leafs not named Gardiner, gunnar, phaneuf, kessel or lupul plz!


lol.


I like this deal for both sides, Vancouver gets their sandpaper forward with offensive upside and Hodgson gets a shot at a top 6 role.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 03:58 PM
lol.


I like this deal for both sides, Vancouver gets their sandpaper forward with offensive upside and Hodgson gets a shot at a top 6 role.
So the sides are Vancouver and Hodgson? :lol:

But yeah, like I said earlier, I like it for Buffalo too (just not the Gragnani part).

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 04:01 PM
Some of the Caps fans I know down here are going to be disappointed that the Caps didn't (couldn't?) trade Hamrlik. Or anyone for that matter.

two24four
02-27-2012, 04:03 PM
Hockey night in Canada late game this Saturday, Sabres at Nucks, haha, should be a good game.

canuckthug
02-27-2012, 04:38 PM
Not thrilled we traded Hodgson... He scored such big goals for the NUcks this year. How does this make us better for the playoffs?! The Nucks were supposed to go ALL IN this year. Kassian isn't playing in the NHL right now. Kassian might be the answer, but Hodgson was finally healthy and was contributing. Losing Hodgson stings. Not sure about Gragnani, don't know what he brings. I need to watch the Nucks presser to hear the thought process on this one. I hope Kassian is the real deal and can contribute.. time will tell.

phaneuf6
02-27-2012, 04:41 PM
Not thrilled we traded Hodgson... He scored such big goals for the NUcks this year. How does this make us better for the playoffs?! The Nucks were supposed to go ALL IN this year. Kassian isn't playing in the NHL right now. Kassian might be the answer, but Hodgson was finally healthy and was contributing. Losing Hodgson stings. Not sure about Gragnani, don't know what he brings. I need to watch the Nucks presser to hear the thought process on this one. I hope Kassian is the real deal and can contribute.. time will tell.

He can and will. Got the size and strength to play at the NHL level right now.

two24four
02-27-2012, 04:46 PM
Kassian has played 9 games this month for Buffalo.

Nucks fans will love Kass once he makes a few big hits, fights and helps out on the score sheet. One thing Kass is very underrated for, his passing, he has great hands.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 04:57 PM
Not thrilled we traded Hodgson... He scored such big goals for the NUcks this year. How does this make us better for the playoffs?! The Nucks were supposed to go ALL IN this year. Kassian isn't playing in the NHL right now. Kassian might be the answer, but Hodgson was finally healthy and was contributing. Losing Hodgson stings. Not sure about Gragnani, don't know what he brings. I need to watch the Nucks presser to hear the thought process on this one. I hope Kassian is the real deal and can contribute.. time will tell.
Kassian's been playing with Buffalo lately on Ennis's line. He'll do well for you and with the acquisition of Pahlsson, Hodgson didn't really have a place on the roster anymore, either.

Gragnani's more of a future. He's kind of a poor man's Kris Letang. Reminds me a lot of Letang when Letang was in his rookie year. (They're the same age, though, so obviously Gragnani is never going to be a Letang) Regardless, he's more useful than Sulzer it looks like.

Kyle
02-27-2012, 09:27 PM
Columbus clearly overvalues Rick Nash. They failed to develop him well at all, hes hardly gotten better since his sophomore season. They need to understand they're not going to get the value of the 21 year old with all the potential in the world he used to be. He still has all the potential in the world but they basically grinded 40% of his prime years off of his schedule without developing him as well as they should've and his value had to take a hit for that. The fact that nobody (from rebuilding franchises to current cup favorites) could work out any sort of deal good enough to fit in a top 10-20 young goal scorer on their roster shows that Columbus clearly wanted the world for Nash.

You'd have to argue to even say Nash is a top 50 player in the NHL today and I'll be on the other side of the fence arguing why hes not. Hes right on the outside of that bubble looking in and hes not going to get the tradeback value of a Stamkos or a Toews which they clearly seemed to value him at.

WIS
02-27-2012, 09:43 PM
Columbus clearly overvalues Rick Nash. They failed to develop him well at all, hes hardly gotten better since his sophomore season. They need to understand they're not going to get the value of the 21 year old with all the potential in the world he used to be. He still has all the potential in the world but they basically grinded 40% of his prime years off of his schedule without developing him as well as they should've and his value had to take a hit for that. The fact that nobody (from rebuilding franchises to current cup favorites) could work out any sort of deal good enough to fit in a top 10-20 young goal scorer on their roster shows that Columbus clearly wanted the world for Nash.

You'd have to argue to even say Nash is a top 50 player in the NHL today and I'll be on the other side of the fence arguing why hes not. Hes right on the outside of that bubble looking in and hes not going to get the tradeback value of a Stamkos or a Toews which they clearly seemed to value him at.

Great post Kyle.

In some ways you gotta think the guy they traded to LA is worth more, financially and statistically.

Hamsterkill
02-27-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm actually on Howson's side here (for, probably, the first time ever). If CBJ was gonna trade Nash, the least they'd need back is a kid they could turn into a franchise player. Otherwise what is a Blue Jackets team without Nash? They'd be giving up the only truly valuable asset they have in exchange for another decade of last place finishes. It doesn't make any sense for them.

habsfan1
02-27-2012, 10:00 PM
Columbus clearly overvalues Rick Nash. They failed to develop him well at all, hes hardly gotten better since his sophomore season. They need to understand they're not going to get the value of the 21 year old with all the potential in the world he used to be. He still has all the potential in the world but they basically grinded 40% of his prime years off of his schedule without developing him as well as they should've and his value had to take a hit for that. The fact that nobody (from rebuilding franchises to current cup favorites) could work out any sort of deal good enough to fit in a top 10-20 young goal scorer on their roster shows that Columbus clearly wanted the world for Nash.

You'd have to argue to even say Nash is a top 50 player in the NHL today and I'll be on the other side of the fence arguing why hes not. Hes right on the outside of that bubble looking in and hes not going to get the tradeback value of a Stamkos or a Toews which they clearly seemed to value him at.

I'll also say great post.

My only question with Nash is what would he do with an actual supporting cast. Teams have been able to key on him specifically since he started. Unfortunately for Columbus they fell into the trap of the southern NHL teams with poorer markets; they needed a face to sell the franchise and that was Nash. Their second leading scorer of all time is David Vyborny (yeah I had to look that up). It'll probably be the same with Yakupov if they get him and don't have any star players to put with him for the next few years.

I think he might be one player who might really really shine in a new environment.

However based on his performance to date I'll agree with Kyle and say he wasn't worth what they were asking for.

two24four
02-27-2012, 10:01 PM
I agree that it seems CLB is asking for waaay to much it would seem. I also think though that if Nash had a playmaking centre to play with, Jumbo Joe, H. Sedin, Getzlaf etc....he wold put up 40-50 goals every season. He's had no one to play in CLB for pretty much his entire career.

Three things Nash has that alot NHL players wish they had is size, he can skate, and he has a great shot. He would be the best power forward in the NHL on most other teams.

Nomad_0024
02-27-2012, 10:13 PM
Did CBJ ask for too much for Nash? Yes. But how on earth is Nash NOT a top 50 player in the league? That's laughable. The guys had to carry that team on his back ever since he came into the league because he's had NOBODY to play with. He's easily one of the top power forwards in the league, and if he had a supporting cast. When you're next best players are the likes of Umberger, Vermette, and Huselius, you're stats are going to suffer. Give him a real C to play with, and he'll flourish.

Kyle
02-28-2012, 01:27 AM
Sorry guys, but the "If he had a supporting cast" argument would hold a lot more weight if we don't see an exception to that rule basically every single season. Malkin has had his most productive stretches with no support and his least productive stretches playing with Crosby. The fact is Nash has had a full decade in the NHL now to compete with the top all star's productivity and has only gotten close to doing so 1 single season. He is a perennial 30 goal/60 point player who brings next to no two-way value to the table, to sit there and call him some guaranteed monster with skilled linemates is not fair.

I'm not disagreeing that he does need good linemates. I'm simply saying its not the fact you're all implying it is. Kovalchuk's productivity wasn't helped by joining a pair of 2 top-15 players in Elias and Parise. Hossa didn't produce anymore joining the 47 allstars in Detroit and hasn't produced anymore joining the 47 allstars in Chicago. Darren Helm always sucks up a shitstorm on the ice with Datsyuk but he seems to play like a top-3 forward when hes on the ice with Drew Miller and Justin Abs. I'm sure a little research can pick out many more exceptions and back it up with numbers.

There simply aren't a lot of NHL players who suddenly play at a complete higher tier than they did the previous 10 years when they get paired with new linemates. Not saying it never happens, just saying it obviously didn't convince any GMs.

So, you all see it from the perspective that Nash is still that young phenomenon who clearly just needs better linemates to produce 40-50 goals/90-100 points every year. NHL GMs are obviously not convinced of that by any stretch and a lot of them clearly believe Nash is simply an ultra-talented power forward you can count on for 30-40 goals, 60-75 points a year. Is that bad? No. Is that top 50? IMO, just barely, no. Remember I'm considering goalies and D-men here too. I can name 15 goalies I consider better than their position at Nash, 15-20 D-men, and easily at least 20+ more forwards I'd want on my team first. I don't lack any respect for Nash's sniping talent and physical skillset, I'm just keeping it real and respecting a league saturated with star players right now.

Theres obviously nothing laughable about where I'd rank Nash relative to the rest of the players in this league because IMO the executives unanimously agreed with me by not trading for him. I'm not calling the guy a joke or a clown, simply saying his team seems to be delusional and convinced that hes just as valuable as he was when they drafted him, or after his 2nd-3rd season. Hes simply not.

History has shown that "The only good player on the team" can produce like a monster, consistently. Especially a skilled power forward who probably spent his entire career handling extreme attention from defensemen. I simply don't buy that Nash has been deprived of 20 goals/40 points a season by his weak linemates and weak team.

Hamsterkill
02-28-2012, 01:48 AM
Not disagreeing with your overall point, but... Elias top-15 still? Really?

two24four
02-28-2012, 01:59 AM
I don't think most GM's would have traded what CLB was asking for even if it was for Crosby, Malkin or Stamkos. Word is the Rangers made a huge offer late in the day that CLB still turned down.

Also when Malkin does not have Crosby around he still has Staal, Letang, Neal, Sullivan, Kunitz. When everyone is healthy in CLB Nash has Prospal, Vermette (before he was traded) Brassard, Carter (before he was traded, plus he did not do much in CLB) Umberger, and now Jack Johnson.Not taking anything away from Malkin, but that's a huge drop off in skill between the two teams.

Kyle
02-28-2012, 02:01 AM
Okay, gross exaggeration by me on that. Parise for sure but not Elias. Still more talent than Kovy was used to being surrounded by, especially on the powerplay where they've been among the worst teams in the NHL since Kovy arrived. Kovy, Elias and Parise on 1 powerplay unit is an absolutely absurd overload of talent, and it says a lot about the importance of chemistry (over individual talent) that they regularly fail to get it done.

Elias is definitely far from top 15 now though no doubt.

Kyle
02-28-2012, 02:08 AM
I don't think most GM's would have traded what CLB was asking for even if it was for Crosby, Malkin or Stamkos. Word is the Rangers made a huge offer late in the day that CLB still turned down.

Also when Malkin does not have Crosby around he still has Staal, Letang, Neal, Sullivan, Kunitz. When everyone is healthy in CLB Nash has Prospal, Vermette (before he was traded) Brassard, Carter (before he was traded, plus he did not do much in CLB) Umberger, and now Jack Johnson.Not taking anything away from Malkin, but that's a huge drop off in skill between the two teams.

Fair enough, but you know that Malkin and Staal almost never play together, at least historically. They've always centered different lines and Malkins always been featured on the PP and Staal on the PK. Letang truly just emerged this season, he hasn't played much of a roll in any of Malkin's past success, and was a total non-factor in Malkin's 2 great seasons up to this point. Its no secret that Malkin routinely plays his best with the most injury-ridden lineups and small-time linemates. A lot of athletes clearly can shine under any circumstance, and they're both very comparable power forwards so I'm simply not so sure that Nash would perform so differently with different lines. He might just be a 30-40 goal 60-80 point guy.... Very good in today's NHL but somewhere between 20th-30th on the list of best forwards IMO.

Kyle
02-28-2012, 02:29 AM
Just because I'm lounging around listening to music anyway, I decided to put together a quick list of who I'd call a better forward, in the context of who I'd pick to play in a game for me today.

Malkin, D.Sedin, H.Sedin, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Toews, Kane, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Parise, Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne, Kesler, Giroux, Spezza, St. Louis, Kopitar, Stamkos, Lecavalier, Eberle, Gaborik, Thornton, Heatley, Marleau, Pavelski, Crosby, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Iginla, Seguin, Hall, are all superior players today who I'd pick on my team before Rick Nash.

Kessel, B.Ryan, J.Franzen, Stastny, Pominville, Couture, P.Sharp, E.Staal, Richards, Vanek, Jagr, J.Staal, Bergeron and many others are players you could make a very fair argument for placing ahead of Nash on a list of best forwards right now.

Thats 33 forwards clearly better and 12 about as good, and I said top 50 considering goalies and defenders too among which I can pick at least 20-30 superior players at their position today than Rick Nash is now. Again, nothing but respect for his talent and I actually agree he'd at least do a bit better with better linemates, but I'm just putting this from the perspective of the NHL GMs building for a playoff run. They obviously wanted the value to totally rebuild a franchise out of Nash, and he simply isn't valued league-wide as that franchise star you can build a team around like Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby, Ovy, Datsyuk, Toews, etc. Hes seen more as that 2nd or 3rd best forward on the roster to give a top 6 an incredible boost to depth, and considering how many playoff teams could've used that boost, it really is insane to me that they valued him too high for anyone to make a deal.

I'll step off the subject but all in all its just unfortunate we don't get to see Nash competing in the playoffs with a talented roster this year. Would've been a real treat to see especially on a squad like the Rangers that only needs a small offensive push to make them over-the-top amazing.

phaneuf6
02-28-2012, 10:57 AM
This is such a subjective argument, but IMO Rick Nash is a top 50 player in the NHL easily. He can play both wings, he's a big body power forward, with incredible hands, a great release, and he's a great skater. Like 24 said, that's a combination that most players can only dream of. If he ever has a good center to play with, watch out.

What I will say is that I agree with not making the trade yesterday. This isn't a deadline deal, this is a summer trade. You don't rush these kinds of trades, as the outcome will likely shape the franchise for the next 5 years. On the flipside, Howson shouldn't be trying to make up for 10 years of bad drafting in one trade, which it seems he's set on doing. At the end of the day Rick Nash won't be a Blue Jacket come opening day of next season, it's just a matter of who will pay a price that's eventually deemed reasonable.

I'm going to give a call to Resnick next week and see what he thinks of the whole debacle, especially Howson throwing Nash under the bus yesterday in his presser. I'll report back, I'm sure he's not going to be pleased at all.

two24four
02-28-2012, 11:01 AM
Iam not going to get into to much, but he's just as good as most (not all) of the players on that list IMO.

Look at his international stats playing for Canada, in 54 games he has 53 Pts, twise putting Canada on his back to lead them to Gold at the World Championships. He was also looked at as one of the top 22 players who got the chance to play for Canada in the 2010 Olympics, where he had 5 Pts in 7 games going on to help them win Gold.

wendel_
02-28-2012, 11:19 AM
Ya, I'd agree it's subjective and can't be proven until Nash goes somewhere else.

Almost every single player in the league has another legitimate player with him on his line, and most also have a legitimate PP QB on the point to add to that. Nash has played for years with zero talent on his line and zero talent on the blue line. I'd argue that take almost all of those players and put them in Nash's situation in Columbus and they struggle to put up the numbers he has (last three years he's been at a 72 point pace twice and got 80 the other year, with goal projections of 35 twice and once getting 40 goals...and in his case, playing 75 games, it's reasonable to project out his stats to 82 games to get an accurate number)

But really, neither side can be proven until next year really. Every team that Nash approves a trade to (well, arguably any other team in the league than Columbus) will be a much better situation for him than he's had, so we'll get to see if his numbers improve

Hamsterkill
02-28-2012, 11:19 AM
This is such a subjective argument, but IMO Rick Nash is a top 50 player in the NHL easily. He can play both wings, he's a big body power forward, with incredible hands, a great release, and he's a great skater. Like 24 said, that's a combination that most players can only dream of. If he ever has a good center to play with, watch out.

What I will say is that I agree with not making the trade yesterday. This isn't a deadline deal, this is a summer trade. You don't rush these kinds of trades, as the outcome will likely shape the franchise for the next 5 years. On the flipside, Howson shouldn't be trying to make up for 10 years of bad drafting in one trade, which it seems he's set on doing. At the end of the day Rick Nash won't be a Blue Jacket come opening day of next season, it's just a matter of who will pay a price that's eventually deemed reasonable.

I'm going to give a call to Resnick next week and see what he thinks of the whole debacle, especially Howson throwing Nash under the bus yesterday in his presser. I'll report back, I'm sure he's not going to be pleased at all.
I agree with this for the most part. Though I'm not sure how everyone thinks the price was so extravagantly high. I mean, higher than Nash may be worth sure, and higher than any teams were willing to pay before a playoff push definitely. But if I recall from the deadline day tweets, the stumbling blocks on trades with the Flyers and Sharks were that CBJ wanted Couture or JVR as part of the packages which were both non-starters for the teams. I imagine it was a similar situation with the Rangers. The demand for those type of players isn't something I would consider extravagant, just higher than any team wanted to pay at the deadline.

phaneuf6
02-28-2012, 11:44 AM
I agree with this for the most part. Though I'm not sure how everyone thinks the price was so extravagantly high. I mean, higher than Nash may be worth sure, and higher than any teams were willing to pay before a playoff push definitely. But if I recall from the deadline day tweets, the stumbling blocks on trades with the Flyers and Sharks were that CBJ wanted Couture or JVR as part of the packages which were both non-starters for the teams. I imagine it was a similar situation with the Rangers. The demand for those type of players isn't something I would consider extravagant, just higher than any team wanted to pay at the deadline.

Exactly. You don't want to remove those kind of pieces from your team with 20 games to go in the season and your team performing well because it's such a wildcard as to how the team will be without those guys and with the new guy, in this case Nash. Another reason this is a summertime deal and not a deadline deal.

Kyle
02-28-2012, 01:06 PM
I would take Couture over Nash on my team in a straight up 1 for 1 deal. To think that Columbus wanted anything beyond that sounds asinine IMO but clearly we all have our own little opinion marked, in between Columbus slightly overvaluing Nash or absolutely blowing his value out of proportion. I'm with the latter side of this.

I'm also simply not buying that "This is a summertime deal." Like its some unheard of foreign concept for a high tier allstar to get shipped at the deadline to help a team's cup run? This happens all the time, I'm not denying why a deal in the summer makes sense but a deal by the trade deadline made sense for different reasons.

They basically want a younger Rick Nash-Caliber player plus rebuilding pieces. The only upside to a team receiving this trade is you get a potentially stronger performer today, but thats where it all gets ridiculous, because Nash is not a superior performer today than Logan Couture. And I'm sure the same applied to many other players Columbus tried to use as bases to this trade. It really is as simple as they overvalue him to the point where they demanded too much current talent to even allow any team in the NHL to improve its active lineup, and thats how this should go, someone improves their active lineup while Columbus improves their future stock. Columbus wanted all the tools for the future and a forward good enough to all but replace Nash immediately. Why would anybody buy. Furthermore Columbus gets a healthy salary dump and a team like SJS gets to take on an extra 5 mill or so for a player who very likely could produce less than Couture with less room to develop? It honestly just sounds over-the-top ridiculous to me.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
02-28-2012, 02:49 PM
There was a ton of speculation around here Nash for somebody like Couture and Pavelski + some and while I've always been a bit of a Nash fan I don't think he's even come close to being the type of player he could have been (and even tho he is only 27 you got to wonder if that ship has sailed). Needless to say, Columbus wanted too much and I am damned happy he didn't end up in SJ.

This drama looks like it is going to drag on for a while.

two24four
02-28-2012, 10:42 PM
Kassian is looking good for the Nucks, they have even had him playing with Kesler.

canuckthug
02-29-2012, 01:15 AM
Kassian is looking good for the Nucks, they have even had him playing with Kesler.

I missed some of this game, but from what i watched he looked pretty decent. Caused a few turnovers, had a couple good chances. Should have used him in the shootout?! I like his size and he skates pretty good too. His 1st shift was with the twins. He was also on the 4th line (better than the minors) but is somewhere i don't want to see this kid used with any regularity. I like how he wears #9, Cody who!!? Kidding aside, its gonna take at least 10 games (which is still a very small sample size) to see how/who he fits here with the Canucks. This Saturday will be fun but its gonna feel weird. Obviously Kassian is still a young kid, (playing on a new team, new system) but expectations are high for a 1st rounder. I hope you guys are right and hope he flourishes. Again, time will tell. Canucks have a favorable schedule, 13 home games out of the final 18.