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King_Killah
10-12-2011, 05:19 PM
Theo Epstein looks like he is heading to ChiCUBS.

Francona is as good as out as well...

But my favorite story coming out making headlines is how Lester, Lackey, and Beckett drinking beer and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse during non-pitching days. Wow... The Sox are now in disarray. They lose their GM. Their manager is gonna be gone. Now they have to get rid of the pitching as well. You can't keep that in the locker room.

looch17
10-12-2011, 05:31 PM
The whole thing is a joke as a Sox fan. IMO I think the one group that should have left is the one that is still there which is the ownership. Tito, Theo have no say its all about the owners. As a Sox fan it pains me to say it, but we have become the Yankees. The ownership would rather outspend them to say they have the bigger balls, etc then worry about actually winning. They are also way to preoccupied with trying to sell their brand. They need to concentrate more on the team than their Nascar, soccer teams. They think they still have a grace period to screw off and that the fans are still happy with the 04 and 07 championships. Well they couldn't be more wrong. After the way this year ended they better start focusing on the team and winning again. There is no reason why Tito should be gone and Theo shouldn't be to blame for any of it with those egomaniacs making the calls over him. Him and them have butted heads quite a bit over the years and I think Theo saw his chance to leave, as did Tito, so they did. I honestly cannot blame them either. I am anxious to see how next years team looks, responds, but I am not getting my hopes up with those clowns running the show.

dw13
10-12-2011, 05:44 PM
If there's one thing I know about the Ownership of the Red Sox, they don't pick who they buy. They put people like Theo in position, then they fund him/them. I could be fully mistaken but that's the indication I've gotten from FSG. I'm very surprised to hear anyone actually talking bad about the group honestly.

Do a lot of Sox fans share your opinions, looch? Just curious, as I'm a Liverpool fan :P

two24four
10-13-2011, 07:57 AM
Sounds like Beckett was like this when he played in FLA as well.

phaneuf6
10-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Well you can tell Beckett and Lackey are rednecks without the beer/fried chicken in the clubhouse story.

looch17
10-13-2011, 09:00 AM
If there's one thing I know about the Ownership of the Red Sox, they don't pick who they buy. They put people like Theo in position, then they fund him/them. I could be fully mistaken but that's the indication I've gotten from FSG. I'm very surprised to hear anyone actually talking bad about the group honestly.

Do a lot of Sox fans share your opinions, looch? Just curious, as I'm a Liverpool fan :P
A lot of my family and friends feel the same way yes. We have grown tired of their act and want them to concentrate more on the team again.

looch17
10-13-2011, 09:01 AM
Sounds like Beckett was like this when he played in FLA as well.


Well you can tell Beckett and Lackey are rednecks without the beer/fried chicken in the clubhouse story.
Yeah that's what I heard too 24. Sounds like McKeon said he did the same thing and he probably introduced the concept to the Sox and it clearly was a popular idea.

Doctego
10-13-2011, 12:56 PM
Sounds like Beckett was like this when he played in FLA as well.

Did he really need to lock the door to the clubhouse during games?

CayugaPosse
10-13-2011, 01:21 PM
Did he really need to lock the door to the clubhouse during games?

He says he did.

I think the thing that's worth taking note of about this story is the fact that they say this all started at the end of last year.

As in, they were doing this while they were going 80-41 during the middle part of the season also.

This isn't why they lost, it's just a way to sensationalize everything. The fact is people didn't get the job done. And yes, I realize those people are the ones that were drinking and eating chicken etc, but they were doing that while they were pitching great too(well, 2 of them anyway).

This whole thing is simply a good team had a really bad month. The stupidity of the Red Sox ownership/management is over-reacting as drastically as they have. They let Theo walk, they let Francona go, they let this story leak out, and all this panic and stupidity post-season has Ortiz talking about wanting to leave and go to the Yankees.

They're blowing up a team that had one bad month and struggled with some pretty key injuries. I hope it all blows up in their face, they don't deserve to win after this.

dw13
10-13-2011, 04:36 PM
A lot of my family and friends feel the same way yes. We have grown tired of their act and want them to concentrate more on the team again.

So the bad contracts, Theo going to Chicago and Tito leaving, from your eyes falls on John Henry and Co?

King_Killah
10-13-2011, 07:19 PM
All they needed was one more win, and that story (beer/chicken in the clubhouse) wouldn't be a story. I've heard that Theo and/or Francona wanted/were looking for an out for a little while now. I also heard that the ownership of the Sox do not pick and choose who comes in and that it was mostly Theo. As far as selling the Red Sox brand. They do not need to sell that brand. It sells itself. They did get into a wallet brawl with the NYY. They are on equal playing field as the Yanks when it comes to that type of thing. I wouldn't label them the Evil Empire, but maybe the moat that circles the Evil Empire. Personally, I don't like or dislike the Red Sox, but I am glad they missed the post season this year. I would have liked the Yanks to be out too, so I am glad that Detroit moved on. New teams give fresh blood to the World Series.

Is Francona officially gone? I thought I heard that he was still a part of the organization. I do agree he will be out though.

dw13
10-13-2011, 07:23 PM
FSG (John Henry and Co) have made the Boston brand MUCH bigger than it was before they got there. Make no mistake about that.

And that's what I thought about FSG. They put people like Theo in charge, fund him and let him make the decisions.

But I don't know nearly enough about their baseball ways.

two24four
10-14-2011, 02:50 PM
So will Theo land Pujols with the Cubs? Alot of people thought that might be where he ends up before they got Theo.

Doctego
10-14-2011, 07:10 PM
So will Theo land Pujols with the Cubs? Alot of people thought that might be where he ends up before they got Theo.

Well, there aren't many teams with the need and/or the cash and the Cubs should be 1 of them.

CayugaPosse
10-15-2011, 12:33 PM
I am still willing to bet anyone any amount of money that Albert Pujols is wearing a Cardinals jersey next year. Have been all along.

two24four
10-15-2011, 01:20 PM
I am still willing to bet anyone any amount of money that Albert Pujols is wearing a Cardinals jersey next year. Have been all along.

They talked about that during the game last night, saying they don't think the Cards will let him walk.

Snipes16
12-29-2011, 06:55 PM
Real nice pickpocket of Bailey by the Sox yesterday..

Back end of the pen looks like Aceves, Melancon and Bailey with Bard moving to a starter.

If they could just get their meathooks on Oswalt they'd have a starting 5 of Lester, Bucholz, Beckett, Bard and Oswalt...not too shabby

Doctego
12-29-2011, 08:09 PM
I can't say that I like or am sold on Bard as a starter but I'll take their word for it. The pen is definitely shaping up but they are so volatile from year-to-year so you never know.