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Raja
05-07-2011, 10:45 AM
Both teams coming off of sweeps.

Apparently Bergeron has a concussion. Gagne should be back, not sure about Kubina. If we get him back and Bergeron is out I think we can take it in 6.

Hamsterkill
05-07-2011, 11:28 AM
So long as Boston still has Chara and Thomas, I have to consider them the favorites. Bruins in 6.

NeelyDan
05-07-2011, 12:28 PM
With Bergy in, Tampa's a speedbump. Without him, we still take it, in 6.

Early indications are he misses a couple games.

Hockeyis#1
05-07-2011, 01:54 PM
I'll go Bruins in 5

dw13
05-07-2011, 01:57 PM
I'll go Bruins in 5

I mean, the Lightning barely beat an AHL team in 7 games... gotta be Bruins in 5, right? :D

Gambit
05-07-2011, 03:08 PM
Losing Bergeron for even 1 game, maybe 2 or more, is a huge opportunity for the Bolts to exploit. I would not underestimate the importance of Bergeron to that Bruins lineup. Having said that, I do think Boston will still win the series, but I am not counting TB out. It should be a long, hard fought series, look for Bruins to win in 7.

ih8music
05-07-2011, 05:39 PM
I want TB to win so all the northeast writers can whine about what a horrible SC finals it'll be. ;)

Cornholio
05-08-2011, 04:08 AM
Bruins in 6

szuturon
05-08-2011, 05:33 AM
I didn't see the sweeps coming but the East has come together the way I imagined. I'm sticking with Tampa in 7.

abusiveninja
05-08-2011, 08:06 AM
Bruins in 3

yep

dripsey3
05-09-2011, 04:44 AM
Both teams won their first round in 7 games. Both teams swept their opponents in the semis. I couldn't call this in a million years but I'll go with the Bruins in 7.

Dubz
05-09-2011, 07:50 AM
Bergeron is huge on the dot. His absence will likely cost them a game. I think) that Rolly will finally start playing how is is supposed to. I wonder if the kid will get a shot at a playoff game?

Bruins in 6

NeelyDan
05-09-2011, 07:53 PM
Bergeron is huge on the dot. His absence will likely cost them a game. I think) that Rolly will finally start playing how is is supposed to. I wonder if the kid will get a shot at a playoff game?

Bruins in 6

Seguin is in on 3rd line playing wing with ryder and peverley if that's what you mean.

Dubz
05-09-2011, 09:50 PM
Seguin is in on 3rd line playing wing with ryder and peverley if that's what you mean.
Yeah thats what i meant:beer:

Cornholio
05-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Saturday, May 14 at Boston, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, CBC, RDS
Tuesday, May 17 at Boston, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, TSN, RDS
Thursday, May 19 at Tampa Bay, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, TSN, RDS
Saturday, May 21 at Tampa Bay, 1:30 p.m. NBC, TSN, RDS
*Monday, May 23 at Boston, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, CBC, RDS
*Wednesday, May 25 at Tampa Bay, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, CBC, RDS
*Friday, May 27 at Boston, 8:00 p.m. VERSUS, CBC, RDS

NeelyDan
05-10-2011, 01:55 PM
that's confirmed? if so, awesome, give bergy another few days to recover

two24four
05-10-2011, 02:22 PM
that's confirmed? if so, awesome, give bergy another few days to recover

Yeah it is, the west final is going to start Sunday.

Hockeyis#1
05-11-2011, 08:06 PM
I mean, the Lightning barely beat an AHL team in 7 games... gotta be Bruins in 5, right? :D
Pretty much.....

canuckthug
05-12-2011, 11:34 PM
who plays D on Tbay's #1 PP? im thinking stamkos and ............

dw13
05-12-2011, 11:49 PM
who plays D on Tbay's #1 PP? im thinking stamkos and ............

Eric Brewer.

Dubz
05-13-2011, 12:18 PM
Bergeron is huge on the dot. His absence will likely cost them a game. I think) that Rolly will finally start playing how is is supposed to. I wonder if the kid will get a shot at a playoff game?

Bruins in 6


Seguin is in on 3rd line playing wing with ryder and peverley if that's what you mean.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AlF3pj8uAi69FPTsIwy4YWt7vLYF?slug=ap-lightning-bruins

dw13
05-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Still think the X-factor here again is the Downie - Moore - Bergenheim line. If they continue what they've been doing, TB has a definite chance in this one.

Snipes16
05-14-2011, 12:55 AM
Not sounding good on Bergeron for game 1..

Not feeling very confident without him..

Philly sweep was fools gold..

Caps sweep was real deal..

They're doomed...

Tampa in 6...

Kyle
05-14-2011, 12:57 AM
Not sounding good on Bergeron for game 1..

Not feeling very confident without him..

Philly sweep was fools gold..

Caps sweep was real deal..

They're doomed...

Tampa in 6...

Agreed. That said, regardless how embarrassingly awful Philly was, its not like Boston barely won. They annihilated them. So you can't hold it against them that their opponent played like jokes.

Snipes16
05-14-2011, 01:09 AM
I'm not holding it against them but that wide open ice that Boston had vs Philly just isn't going to be there vs Tampa based on what I saw from Tampa vs Washington. Hence the fools gold comment.

I hate all things Florida but I think this Tampa team is really good and will give SJ/Van a run if they advance.

Hope I'm wrong but it's so rare that I am..ha

Kyle
05-14-2011, 01:32 AM
I'll agree with that. Boston got spoiled.

Tampa is very solid. But I don't think they're ready to compete with the west yet. I remember the Wings smacking them 7-2 last time they went against each other. Also remember the Wings smacking Boston 10-3 over two games in two nights. Vancouver and SJ are every bit as good at puck possession hockey this year. I don't think either one of Boston or TB is ready to contest.

But they'll certainly have their chance.

Cornholio
05-14-2011, 08:35 AM
B's in 6

NeelyDan
05-14-2011, 01:24 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AlF3pj8uAi69FPTsIwy4YWt7vLYF?slug=ap-lightning-bruins

i'm not sure what this quote means dubz

Kyle
05-14-2011, 04:13 PM
I forgot. TB in 6.

dw13
05-14-2011, 04:16 PM
Welp, got my hands on 2 tickets for Game 3. I'll be there. Sorry Bolts fans in advance if we lose :(

Cornholio
05-14-2011, 06:17 PM
McQuaid is expected to play instead of Hnidy!
Great news I think, I thought he was gonna miss longer after that crush into the boards.

dw13
05-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Bergenheim!!!!!

Clark!!!!!!!!!!!!

phaneuf6
05-14-2011, 07:54 PM
Good to see Seguin scoring a nice goal there. I know he's been frustrated not playing.

Kaberle kind of got left out to dry on that first goal by Seidenberg. Good start for TB, Boston is asleep.

Cornholio
05-14-2011, 08:00 PM
Kaberle should have passed the puck to whomever, not deking behind his own goal.
Can see no fault from Seidenberg there...

Dubz
05-14-2011, 08:04 PM
i'm not sure what this quote means dubz

I swear i copied an article that said Seguin was making his debut on the 3rd line like you said. idk how i got that article in there....:confused:

Dubz
05-14-2011, 08:05 PM
TB looks good....this is already some pretty good hockey. Mistakes are magnified. And so far BOS is making more, lol

NeelyDan
05-14-2011, 08:47 PM
brain freeze there for sure, im not unhappy with everything outside of that 1:25

dw13
05-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Home ice advantage is now ours. Huge win.

Kyle
05-14-2011, 10:26 PM
Strong, strong statement by TB. Great showing. I can't believe how quickly they regained their prime form they had halfway through the season starting around game 5 vs the Pens. Some impressive depth scoring.

Kaberle made a really boneheaded play on that third goal.

Raja
05-14-2011, 10:29 PM
Sick game, good job by Seguin getting both of Boston's goals too. Even with the added offense, I'm really hoping he plays instead of Bergeron as long as possible.

MrScientist
05-15-2011, 12:19 AM
I don't foresee supplementary discipline coming for Horton and Lucic, but once again it's a situation where Steve Downie would be sitting if he was the perpetrator. I hope they at least get fined for that shit.

NeelyDan
05-15-2011, 10:38 AM
1. Krejci lost 12 of 15 faceoffs.

2. Thomas played very lazy, very sloppy.

3. Fourth line on the ice in the first minute of the game and too often during the game.

4. LOL @ PP

5. TOI for Ryder, Seguin and Peverley was down while TOI for the goon, Stone Hands and Campbell was up.

6. Kaberle. Wow, he's rotten.

7. Ryder with the matador move at center ice.

8, 8, I forget what 8 was for.

9. Marchand and Recchi were invisible.

10. When you use the dump and chase, you're supposed to recover the puck. Tonight, they played "Dump and turn it over".

Cornholio
05-15-2011, 04:19 PM
1. is simply wrong - lost 15 out of 18 ;)

2. & 3. are rediculous!
Thomas let in a weak goal (2nd), but without him, TB could have scored 4, 5 more goals.
He had some amazing saves (I currently recall the glove save against Downie who shot from the goalcrease!)
3 might be true, but not bad.
If you had pointed out that the 4th line played the best of the Bruins' hockey last night, ok, but if so, why not put them out?
They were the ones gaining momentum for Boston, if anyone was!

Kyle
05-15-2011, 06:21 PM
I agree, Thomas shit a brick early but easily made up for it by saving 3-4 goals that should've gone in for sure. Boston let him down with sorry defense as much as he shit a brick.

NeelyDan
05-15-2011, 08:00 PM
err...sorry dudes, that was a poster from the boston globe, not yours truly...was just fodder for thought

NeelyDan
05-16-2011, 01:31 PM
Bergeron took part in a full practice today, tho stayed away from battle drills.

looch17
05-16-2011, 05:08 PM
Bergeron took part in a full practice today, tho stayed away from battle drills.
Saw that good news to at least seeing him involved. Peverley is swapping spots with Kelly too hopefully that provides and offensive spark.

NeelyDan
05-16-2011, 06:32 PM
i would love to see what marchand/peeve/seguin could do, drop rex down to third line duty

that would be some serious 2nd line speed

looch17
05-16-2011, 09:44 PM
i would love to see what marchand/peeve/seguin could do, drop rex down to third line duty

that would be some serious 2nd line speed
No doubt about that.

Dubz
05-16-2011, 11:35 PM
This series is gonna get nasty.

Snipes16
05-17-2011, 03:17 AM
Saw that good news to at least seeing him involved. Peverley is swapping spots with Kelly too hopefully that provides and offensive spark.

That is good news that Bergy practiced yesterday but from what I'm hearing he's still less than 50/50 to lace em tonight which is a killer because on top of his PK ability and draw skills his absence takes away a ton from Recchi's and Marchand's productivity. He is the straw that makes that line go, without him they are another 3rd line.

Asking Kelly or Peverly to jump up into that line and produce is asking a lot. I would rather see that Kelly - Peverly - Ryder line stay intact because they have developed some chemistry and played well enough over the first 2 rds that I wouldn't break that line up.

So instead of screwing up continuity on 2 lines by Bergy's absence by mish mashing Kelly and Peverly, I'd have moved Marchand to center flagged by Seguin and Recchi. Marchand has played the pivot before, is clearly their best forward not on the 1st line, has played all year with Recchi and cant be any worse than Peverly's 6 for 17 on draws the other night. I'll admit that having 2 rookies on the same line isn't perfect defensively but offensively I'll take Marchand over Peverly in the pivot anyday.

The last time I saw a center get schooled on a draw like Krejci did on the Downey opportunity I was in Pee Wee's and it was my coaches kid that got schooled. Pops Santini picked up a barrel of sticks and threw them at his son as he was skating to the bench just missing him....sticks schrewn everywhere on the ice, didn't drive home with Dad :lol:

canuckthug
05-17-2011, 11:36 AM
Bergeron took part in a full practice today, tho stayed away from battle drills.

Just got this from twitter but its still probably a game time decision.

Patrice Bergeron is taking a regular shift in the morning skate and looks pretty good. ----GMiller -TSN


The Bruins need to keep seguin in though (drop somebody else) and they should put Tyler on the #1 PP !! If Bergeron returns ive heard Tyler Seguin gets the boot which doesnt make sense especially watching what he did in game 1. See what happens.

NeelyDan
05-17-2011, 11:41 AM
Just got this from twitter but its still probably a game time decision.



The Bruins need to keep seguin in though (drop somebody else) and they should put Tyler on the #1 PP !! If Bergeron returns ive heard Tyler Seguin gets the boot which doesnt make sense especially watching what he did in game 1. See what happens.

agreed. conventional thinking seems to be thornton, but i disagree, daniel paille goes if it's me.

NeelyDan
05-17-2011, 11:42 AM
oh, i meant agreed for the latter part of your post - i don't necessarily think tyler belongs on pp1 yet.

dw13
05-17-2011, 07:11 PM
13 seconds in!!!

dw13
05-17-2011, 07:28 PM
Shit call on Malone, IMO.

dw13
05-17-2011, 07:37 PM
Shit call on Malone, IMO.

Another shit call on Adam Hall.

Nut up, refs.

Snipes16
05-17-2011, 08:13 PM
That 1st period was the Bruins in a nutshell...all over them, cant finish shit. Boychuk with 2 blunders in the 1st 13 seconds and of course the puck goes in off him with 13 left in the period.

You could stomach some of these goals against on odd man rushes but both Tampa goals were 2 on 2...fucken disgrace, hate this team.

phaneuf6
05-17-2011, 08:20 PM
Can't scratch Seguin anymore.

HT9
05-17-2011, 08:27 PM
stud

dw13
05-17-2011, 08:27 PM
Bad for my Bolts.

Good for my Dynasty team.

- Tyler Seguin

phaneuf6
05-17-2011, 08:36 PM
Best part is he's playing summer hockey with us this year. :lol:

dw13
05-17-2011, 08:53 PM
Yeah, Seguin's absolutely taken this game over.

NeelyDan
05-17-2011, 08:57 PM
That 1st period was the Bruins in a nutshell...all over them, cant finish shit. Boychuk with 2 blunders in the 1st 13 seconds and of course the puck goes in off him with 13 left in the period.

You could stomach some of these goals against on odd man rushes but both Tampa goals were 2 on 2...fucken disgrace, hate this team.

do you? lol

NeelyDan
05-17-2011, 08:57 PM
Best part is he's playing summer hockey with us this year. :lol:

really dude? im not one for stargazing, but that's all kinds of cool.

Dubz
05-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Hmmm....talking about yanking Rolly:p

dw13
05-17-2011, 09:13 PM
Hmmm....talking about yanking Rolly:p

Good move. Give him some extra rest heading home.

phaneuf6
05-17-2011, 09:17 PM
really dude? im not one for stargazing, but that's all kinds of cool.

Yea it's pretty cool being on the same ice surface as these guys. Tyler's speed is unreal. He went to highschool with us so.

dw13
05-17-2011, 09:19 PM
Ick. What a snipe by Stammer.

dw13
05-17-2011, 09:58 PM
Tim Thomas. Let in softies, stone wall some massive saves.

Series on, fellas.

Hamsterkill
05-17-2011, 10:13 PM
Tim Thomas. Let in softies, stone wall some massive saves.

Series on, fellas.
Not so different from Roloson?

dw13
05-17-2011, 10:17 PM
Not so different from Roloson?

Have you watched him all post season? Been pretty damn consistent, actually has been most of the time with the Lightning to be honest.

Hamsterkill
05-17-2011, 11:20 PM
The Lightning fans of Round 1 seem to disagree...


I don't want Roloson back next year. Someone made a perfect comparison - he's a better version of Ellis. He'll make good saves but every goal yesterday was fucking brutal.


I completely agree. We have enough space (even with Stamkos contract needing to be done) to sign Vokoun for 2 years. If we can get that done, I'd do it in a heart beat and let Desjardins be the backup. I haven't been a massive fan of Rolly, he's a good locker room guy for us but on the ice, pretty average.



It's unreal. Vinny and Marty about the only two guys that even look into it, along with Dominic Moore. Everyone else has drifted by in this series, it's pathetic to watch really.


Rolly the Goalie!!!

Downie!!!

Cmon!

Orpik, Kunitz and Neal. Bunch of bitches.


Roloson coughed up the puck that led to the first Pens goal and Staal had a nice shot for the other one. I feel like a majority of Pit's goals this series have been on Roli in one way or another.....strap him to the net for Game 7.


hell yeah!

roloson was fantastic

EDIT: For the record, I was surprised to see you guys being so hard on Roli at times in Round 1. He pulled you out of the fire more than once even in the games you were critical of him for. And the 'inconsistent' moniker on Thomas is equally underserved. Goalies -- even fantastic ones -- let in soft goals now and then. It's just the way the game goes. Even Brodeur has had bad games in the postseason before.

dw13
05-17-2011, 11:44 PM
I didn't label Thomas that way, I simply stated how he played on the night. He clearly let in 2 soft goals and stone walled some massive chances for the Lightning.

As for Roli, meh. He's been pretty damn consistent all playoffs, outside probably a game or two in the Pens series. He's obviously not the long-term answer but if he keeps playing how he has recently, I'm ready to ride him deeper in these playoffs.

dw13
05-18-2011, 12:06 AM
Anywho, this series has all the makings to be great and really entertaining.

Kyle
05-18-2011, 12:33 AM
Daw is right. Thomas has made ridiculous saves in between a flurry of weak goals all post-season. Make any argument you want. But hes letting in a lot of softies he wasn't letting in throughout the season. Luckily his competition isn't outplaying him by any remote stretch. Overall though hes been fantastic. But I'd prefer to see him let in some more of those unreal saves and less of those weaker goals, weak goals destroy team confidence. As much as he constantly compensates with big saves following, it doesn't make up for it entirely.

I still see way more to be pleased with as a TB fan after 2 games, though.

dripsey3
05-18-2011, 05:28 AM
Seguin can't defend. OK but surely his 4 points more than make up for this? Boston would be insane to scratch him. This series is made for him. All offense. Little defence. 18 goals in 2 games. Love it.

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 05:41 AM
Yep, last night was particularly bad for Timmy.

I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it.

two24four
05-18-2011, 09:53 AM
Best part is he's playing summer hockey with us this year. :lol:

If they go on to win the cup, don't count on it, his summer will get super busy with party's and hanging out with some silver thing.

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 10:11 AM
our team played in a league that had Becky Keller (canadian girls' oly team) in it...we were a C division club....she was better than 90% of the guys out there, lol

seguin would be ugly in a men's league....uuuuuugly

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 10:12 AM
oh, and eric cairns too....and HE was better than everyone

people say plug in the nhl but don't realize the skill these guys still must have

two24four
05-18-2011, 10:27 AM
I use to play in a league against Marc Savard, he would not even give a 100%, yet he still owned the league. His team was stacked with good players, Kurtis Foster, Shane O'Brien, and a few OHL players & a few AHL players at the time, they just played to stay in shape in the off season.

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 10:35 AM
imagine you went head hunting on savvy lol

two24four
05-18-2011, 10:40 AM
imagine you went head hunting on savvy lol

haha, no, this was long before all that his head injuries he was with ATL/CGY back then.

Saw O'Brien fight once in the league though, was not pretty for the other guy.

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 10:43 AM
i bet, altho i'd drop the gloves with him in an instant just to say i did lol

dw13
05-18-2011, 11:12 AM
Yep, last night was particularly bad for Timmy.

I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it.

Meh. He'd admit he let in 2 softies but he without question kept Boston in the lead.

Raja
05-18-2011, 12:58 PM
Honestly I'm glad Seguin has done so well. I think if Bergeron played instead of him they'd be a stronger team, so now that Boucher will try to counter Seguin's offense it'll be easier than trying to get through Bergeron

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Honestly I'm glad Seguin has done so well. I think if Bergeron played instead of him they'd be a stronger team, so now that Boucher will try to counter Seguin's offense it'll be easier than trying to get through Bergeron

i'm not sure i follow your logic?

side note, when i dont hate the team im playing against, it's just not as much fun lol

i actually don't mind tampa, it's really annoying lol

Cornholio
05-18-2011, 01:35 PM
Another shit call on Adam Hall.

Nut up, refs.
Sorry, you can't punch a guy in the face, even in your own slot.
Well deserved 2 minutes!


Ick. What a snipe by Stammer.
Agree 100%
But a BAD move by the D-man! If he had made a step forward, he would have had the puck before Stamkos...

But, the last (?) Bolts' goal shouldn't have been counted.
Doens't the play have to be whistled down once a goalie plays without his mask??
Isn't that reviewable???

NeelyDan
05-18-2011, 01:38 PM
explaination was "as long as the goalie isn't in danger"

not sure how he could make a save without being in danger with no lid, but meh....

boredguy
05-18-2011, 03:27 PM
Yep, i didn't understand the mask off goal either. Was another bad game for the refs though, the officiating has been pretty shitty all playoffs.

Dubz
05-18-2011, 03:57 PM
They blew that call. The goalie is in danger "when" the mask comes off. He took a stick that could have caught him right in the fucking eye. Morons

Kyle
05-18-2011, 03:58 PM
They must seriously lack respect for the TB shooters and their ability to lift the puck if they deemed Thomas wasn't in danger with no mask.:lol:

DarkValiant
05-18-2011, 04:48 PM
"When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity."

dw13
05-18-2011, 04:50 PM
^^^

Bingo.

Dubz
05-18-2011, 11:39 PM
Wait for video then, before i start calling you fuckers morons too

DarkValiant
05-18-2011, 11:49 PM
Wait for video then, before i start calling you fuckers morons too

It's not an opinion, it's a rule. Period.

I'm not sure if you're not able to read or what your deal is, but you should look into therapy or some shit.

Dubz
05-18-2011, 11:57 PM
This is my therapy :lol:

DarkValiant
05-18-2011, 11:59 PM
This is my therapy :lol:

Touché.

dw13
05-19-2011, 12:08 AM
Wait for video then, before i start calling you fuckers morons too

Whoa Dubz, and you wanted to pull a trade in our league? :lol:

Raja
05-19-2011, 07:54 AM
i'm not sure i follow your logic?

side note, when i dont hate the team im playing against, it's just not as much fun lol

i actually don't mind tampa, it's really annoying lol

I just think it'd be easier to counter Seguin's offense than get through Bergeron's defense and faceoffs, so I hope Seguin keeps playing. I don't know why I worded it so oddly.

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 08:24 AM
Oh, I see.

Yeah that's a great point actually. The real value in the game Seguin had as I see it is increased attention going his way, meaning less attention somewhere else.

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 02:16 PM
Bergy confirmed in. Seguin remains on a line with Kelly and Ryder, Peverley drops to 4th line, Thornton sits. I'd rather have seen Recchi drop, but meh.

dw13
05-19-2011, 07:45 PM
Can they stop calling that an elbow? Made the same mistake last game.

Get it together, refs.

Raja
05-19-2011, 07:47 PM
terrible call. not happy about berg and seguin being in either, smart move to sit thornton.

Hockeyis#1
05-19-2011, 07:47 PM
Can they stop calling that an elbow? Made the same mistake last game.

Get it together, refs.
Agreed...clean hit and a terrible call

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 07:54 PM
2 game suspension minimum.

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 07:54 PM
;)

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 08:27 PM
i really hope a large safe falls on maquire's head

boredguy
05-19-2011, 08:37 PM
It's great when he notices some little thing no one cares about and he gets all excited and yelling like he's trying to mention it before anyone else can.
And by great i mean annoying.

NeelyDan
05-19-2011, 09:50 PM
Not Boston's strongest game quite yet, but I'll take the series lead baby.

Dubz
05-19-2011, 09:54 PM
Shut Out #1

MrScientist
05-21-2011, 11:52 AM
If the rapture really is today...then I've got Mike Lundin scoring for the Lightning and Mike Milbury saying something intelligent.

dw13
05-21-2011, 01:11 PM
Someone fill me in on why MA Bergeron is seeing so much ES time? This series could be done-zo in 40 minutes.

dw13
05-21-2011, 01:48 PM
THAT'S goalie interference?

These refs have been utter shit all series.

NeelyDan
05-21-2011, 01:49 PM
Gotta expect some help for Thomas when he's dealing with extra hacks and jabs all game long. Pretty obvious what the tampa strategy is here.

dw13
05-21-2011, 01:53 PM
Gotta expect some help for Thomas when he's dealing with extra hacks and jabs all game long. Pretty obvious what the tampa strategy is here.

Doesn't mean they need to help him out with poor penalty calls.

Game on. 3-2. Teddy Purcell x2

dw13
05-21-2011, 02:00 PM
This team has such huge balls.

3-3.

NeelyDan
05-21-2011, 02:03 PM
lol

dw13
05-21-2011, 02:18 PM
Diving? Really?

dw13
05-21-2011, 03:20 PM
Unreal!!! What a game, what a comeback.

Series is onnnnnn!

canuckthug
05-21-2011, 03:23 PM
think Mike Smith is gonna start game 5? Hes been pretty solid.

dw13
05-21-2011, 03:25 PM
think Mike Smith is gonna start game 5? Hes been pretty solid.

Glad I'm not Boucher, that's an awfully tough decision.

boredguy
05-21-2011, 03:26 PM
I'd think Roloson will be back in net.

canuckthug
05-21-2011, 03:39 PM
yeah, Rolli has had a good run overall (not too great in this series) .. he will probably get the start but with a shorter than usual leash...

Raja
05-21-2011, 06:59 PM
completely agree with 911. i'd only blame roloson for the 3rd goal today, but smith was great.

NeelyDan
05-21-2011, 07:03 PM
best of three, bruins home ice

i'll take it

abusiveninja
05-21-2011, 08:44 PM
best of three, bruins home ice

i'll take it

Agreed, but nervous after that collapse. Made me hit the SoCo early today.

Kyle
05-21-2011, 08:50 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are just so pleased with the current outlook which is that you aren't even somewhat safe with a 3 goal lead.;)

I think TB has got the obvious overwhelming momentum advantage after this one.

Dubz
05-21-2011, 09:06 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are just so pleased with the current outlook which is that you aren't even somewhat safe with a 3 goal lead.;)

I think TB has got the obvious overwhelming momentum advantage after this one.

Yeah...i didnt want to say this:lol:

NeelyDan
05-21-2011, 09:38 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are just so pleased with the current outlook which is that you aren't even somewhat safe with a 3 goal lead.;)

I think TB has got the obvious overwhelming momentum advantage after this one.

Don't be stupid, noone would be happy with a collapse like that.

We'll see how the momentum swings, and you might prepare to eat those words.

Kyle
05-21-2011, 09:49 PM
You guys were just projecting some delusional optimism so I thought I'd bring a dose of realism.;)

NeelyDan
05-22-2011, 12:29 PM
I haven't seen these guys in the conference finals since I was listening to Motley Crue and Poison and wearing size 27 waist jeans, you have to expect some level of delusion at this point.

Dubz
05-22-2011, 06:14 PM
I haven't seen these guys in the conference finals since I was listening to Motley Crue and Poison and wearing size 27 waist jeans, you have to expect some level of delusion at this point.

Holy shit we had alot in common :p


This is so unpredictable i cant pick a winner atp. I am pulling for the B's (bracket implications) but after that last game im not so sure. I actually like TB alot more :$

NeelyDan
05-22-2011, 07:29 PM
B's were in a lot worse position against Montreal. I am actually quite confident they'll take the series.

looch17
05-22-2011, 09:56 PM
B's were in a lot worse position against Montreal. I am actually quite confident they'll take the series.
As much as I was pissed off the other day after giving up that 3 goal lead I am still very optimistic that we can get it done.

dw13
05-22-2011, 10:03 PM
Just to remind you Bruin fans:

You weren't playing that well when you got ahead 3-0. You were gifted 3 goals.

See ya tomorrow.

;)

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 12:26 PM
Sorta like game 1, you mean? :)

dw13
05-23-2011, 12:54 PM
Sorta like game 1, you mean? :)

The Lightning were the better team in Game 1.

Kyle
05-23-2011, 01:02 PM
Agreed.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 01:25 PM
The Lightning were the better team in Game 1.

Whatever helps you bro, lol.

Talk to me when the series is over and your boys are doing what guys should in Florida.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 01:37 PM
ps - a trend to whet your nervous appetite:

History shows that the team that has won game 2 has won every conference final since the lockout.

much love,

neelydan

dw13
05-23-2011, 02:31 PM
Whatever helps you bro, lol.

Talk to me when the series is over and your boys are doing what guys should in Florida.

I haven't said a god damn word about me thinking the Lightning will win this series because it's not worth spouting off over your own team. Everytime I come in here you've been blabbing like you do in every other thread. I was merely making my point. You guys were acting like the 3-0 lead in the first period was a product of great play from the Bruins. It wasn't. I'd venture to say you were outplayed in the first period as well.

As for the comment about what we 'should' be doing in Florida, just shows how big of a clown you are.

Snipes16
05-23-2011, 03:09 PM
The only conclusion I've come up with after watching these 2 teams for 4 games so far is that the Nucks are going to absolutely shred either one of those defence's.

Back of the spiraling plane, front of the spiraling plane, it aint gonna make a Rosa Parks difference in the Finals

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 03:27 PM
I haven't said a god damn word about me thinking the Lightning will win this series because it's not worth spouting off over your own team. Everytime I come in here you've been blabbing like you do in every other thread. I was merely making my point. You guys were acting like the 3-0 lead in the first period was a product of great play from the Bruins. It wasn't. I'd venture to say you were outplayed in the first period as well.

As for the comment about what we 'should' be doing in Florida, just shows how big of a clown you are.

now now, let's keep this PG-13

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 03:28 PM
The only conclusion I've come up with after watching these 2 teams for 4 games so far is that the Nucks are going to absolutely shred either one of those defence's.

Back of the spiraling plane, front of the spiraling plane, it aint gonna make a Rosa Parks difference in the Finals

lol, yes.

tho the b's match up against the nucks better than the bolts, in my opinion

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 03:28 PM
and by 'better than the bolts', i mean the bruins themselves are better suited to play against the canucks than they are against the lightning, before "dawinna" gets all bent on me

dw13
05-23-2011, 03:33 PM
and by 'better than the bolts', i mean the bruins themselves are better suited to play against the canucks than they are against the lightning, before "dawinna" gets all bent on me

You're like a little kid. I'll be happy when this series is over and I can continue to ignore your annoying banter.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 03:34 PM
You're like a little kid. I'll be happy when this series is over and I can continue to ignore your annoying banter.

...says the guy with the gangsta handle, lol

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 03:36 PM
You guys were acting like the 3-0 lead in the first period was a product of great play from the Bruins.

by the way, for the benefit of our audience, would you mind quoting this assertion of yours?

<crickets>

dw13
05-23-2011, 03:38 PM
Son of a bitch, I used my 10k post on NeelyDan :lol:

dw13
05-23-2011, 03:42 PM
It'll be Roloson tonight, by the way.

Snipes16
05-23-2011, 03:48 PM
It'll be Roloson tonight, by the way.

good :beer:

Hamsterkill
05-23-2011, 04:24 PM
lol, yes.

tho the b's match up against the nucks better than the bolts, in my opinion
No one matches up well against the Nucks. The Bruins are versatile when they're playing well... but not as versatile as the Nucks. The only way they were going down these playoffs is by underestimating or not respecting an opponent, and they haven't done that yet.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 06:14 PM
No one matches up well against the Nucks. The Bruins are versatile when they're playing well... but not as versatile as the Nucks. The only way they were going down these playoffs is by underestimating or not respecting an opponent, and they haven't done that yet.

yeah, well, i tend to agree with both you and snipes

regardless of who comes outta the east, it seems to be van's cup to lose

MrScientist
05-23-2011, 06:21 PM
It's not VAN's Cup to lose until they're in the Finals. San Jose is a much better team than Chicago and they only need to win three straight, not four.

If the B's played every game like they did Game 2, this series would be over and Boston would be in the Finals. However, outside of that effort they've looked extremely beatable. Best of 3 with two in Boston should favor the home team, but I'm not convinced with Obi-Wan Boucher behind the bench.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 06:29 PM
It's not VAN's Cup to lose until they're in the Finals. San Jose is a much better team than Chicago and they only need to win three straight, not four.

If the B's played every game like they did Game 2, this series would be over and Boston would be in the Finals. However, outside of that effort they've looked extremely beatable. Best of 3 with two in Boston should favor the home team, but I'm not convinced with Obi-Wan Boucher behind the bench.

he sure is one scary lookin mofaka back there

dw13
05-23-2011, 06:31 PM
Mike Smith leads the Bolts out.

MrScientist
05-23-2011, 06:44 PM
he sure is one scary lookin mofaka back there

Well, fat guy coach hasn't worked out too well for our opponents in this playoffs. :beer:

dw13
05-23-2011, 06:45 PM
Cmon Bolts

canuckthug
05-23-2011, 07:05 PM
It'll be Roloson tonight, by the way.

are you sure?? i just heard Smith will get his first start in 44 games.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 07:06 PM
good luck fellas, for real

dw13
05-23-2011, 07:07 PM
are you sure?? i just heard Smith will get his first start in 44 games.

Yes, its Smith. Rolly came off first this morning which is why that was suggested

canuckthug
05-23-2011, 07:13 PM
Yes, its Smith. Rolly came off first this morning which is why that was suggested

i see. Canucks did the same thing in game 6 vs Chicago. (playing the unpredictable card)

dw13
05-23-2011, 07:14 PM
1-0.

Gagne.

Great start.

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 07:36 PM
nothing but utter softness on the part of the b's, this one looks over in the first half of the first period, unless they turn it around

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 07:40 PM
that was the most impressive powerplay without scoring ive ever seen

canuckthug
05-23-2011, 07:42 PM
great speed shown by Stamkos and solid PP by the lightning's second unit..

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 07:47 PM
great speed shown by Stamkos and solid PP by the lightning's second unit..

marchand stopped skating for some reason there too, unreal

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 07:58 PM
Julien's answer is to bench seguin, lol...jeez, did he even see marchand out there? our entire first line is invisible, but yeah, bench seguin....jesus

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 08:26 PM
Diving? Really? ;)

dw13
05-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Refs are shitting the bed again. Huge surprise.

(I mean both ways, too)

NeelyDan
05-23-2011, 08:35 PM
agreed sir

dw13
05-23-2011, 08:47 PM
Downie clearly hurt, Bergenheim hasn't skated in the 2nd and is questionable to return.

Both are huge losses, could take their toll in this 3rd period.

dw13
05-23-2011, 09:26 PM
F*ck you Tim Thomas

snoopzen
05-23-2011, 09:32 PM
Mike Smith's playing really solidly, too.

dw13
05-23-2011, 09:40 PM
I can't understand why the refs won't make a call.

It's been horrible all game long. 3 or 4 clear penalties just not acknowledged.

dw13
05-23-2011, 09:48 PM
Good game. These games seriously is such an NHL Playoffs series. So many twists and turns and breaks.

Still definitely not over. Heading back to the Bay!

Dubz
05-23-2011, 11:35 PM
F*ck you Tim Thomas

Many a team has said that this year...:lol:


Anyhow, the B's scared me last game by letting a lead melt away (which i was so certain was their strongest asset) rather sloppily. Could still be a nail biter series with the way these Bolts play. Enjoy

Kyle
05-23-2011, 11:40 PM
I'm inclined to state that I feel Boston is incredibly lucky to not have already lost this series, let alone be up 3-2.

Thomas really stole this one. But thats exactly the Bruin's biggest strength so it can't be held entirely against them that their strongest player had to be strong.

dw13
05-24-2011, 12:10 AM
Well, I thought we were the better team again tonight just didn't convert on the few good chances we had.

I don't want to keep stating it over and over again, or sound like a baby but I thought the refs were seriously embarrassing tonight.

I don't think this series is over though, even though I'll be there Wednesday. ;)

Hockeyis#1
05-24-2011, 08:23 AM
I agree reffing was very inconsistent.

TT just lost save of the year.....to himself

NeelyDan
05-24-2011, 08:33 AM
If I sat here and said we weren't outplayed last night, I'd be a habs fan.

The second period and third period were much closer than that feeble first, I will say that.

These two teams are very evenly matched.

two24four
05-24-2011, 11:16 AM
Pats coach Bill Belichick was named fan of the game last night, that is awesome.

abusiveninja
05-24-2011, 02:17 PM
Pats coach Bill Belichick was named fan of the game last night, that is awesome.

I spoke to someone who went to the game and apparently every time there was a lull in the crowd they would pan to BB and he would stand up and swing a towel around. Supposedly happened a bunch of times. Didn't think he had that in him.

Kyle
05-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Anyone who knows better knows Bill Belichick's perpetuated demeanor is heavily media influenced. No one who actually spends time with the guy refers to him as some emotionless, overly-serious rock who can't have a good time.

dw13
05-24-2011, 02:34 PM
I can't escape the Patriots talk, can I? :lol:

I hate everything Boston.

Kyle
05-24-2011, 02:42 PM
Why the name change?

Especially to something so much notably worse?

dw13
05-24-2011, 02:50 PM
Why the name change?

Especially to something so much notably worse?

Couldn't think of anything better, got sick of the old alias made me look like a 10 year old. I originally took the account of my younger brother when we found the site at first.

Guess I could take some suggestions and have Jeff change it again :lol: Maybe just go with dw13?

Kyle
05-24-2011, 03:12 PM
I guess I just don't know what "Dawinna" even means. It sounded fine to me. Personally I feel like BoltsFan sells you shorter on a first impression.

Dw13 would be fine, you'd remind people of Am78:lol:

ih8music
05-24-2011, 03:23 PM
Guess I could take some suggestions and have Jeff change it again :lol: Maybe just go with dw13?
I believe Jeff has a strict policy of one name change per 10K posts... so get busy. ;)

dw13
05-24-2011, 03:25 PM
I believe Jeff has a strict policy of one name change per 10K posts... so get busy. ;)

Nothing a little bribe couldn't fix. ;)

Hamsterkill
05-24-2011, 03:49 PM
I got a little confused what with a boltsfan already being around. I thought he had his name changed for capitalization at first. :lol:

dw13
05-24-2011, 04:03 PM
If you hadn't heard, Boucher announced today it's back to Roloson.

Hamsterkill
05-24-2011, 04:22 PM
If you hadn't heard, Boucher announced today it's back to Roloson.
Considering Roloson has never lost a game where his team faced elimination, I'd say that's a pretty good move.

dw13
05-24-2011, 04:34 PM
Considering Roloson has never lost a game where his team faced elimination, I'd say that's a pretty good move.

Makes me wonder about the move though. Mike Smith didn't play bad at all.

two24four
05-25-2011, 09:33 AM
Now that the Nucks have won, I want the B's to win this, I think that will be a better matchup.

Snipes16
05-25-2011, 10:46 AM
Gonna be tough to close Tampa out no doubt but the B's do have 1 huge edge going into tonight and 2 other minor things in their favor..

1) Dawinna is heading into the building tonight which is great news. Please dont be late and if you want we'll call you a cab or better yet a police escort to the rink via Limo.

2) The Bruins to me are much better off on the road. 2 wins in Montreal and 2 in Philly so far and another in Tampa which might have been their best game of the postseason.

3) We only need 1 great game from TT over these last two. I like his 50/50 chances of being great in either games 6 or 7...big game for Beantown tonight.

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 10:55 AM
Bruins close it out tonight.

dw13
05-25-2011, 11:09 AM
Leaving at 1 for Tampa, you bastard :lol:

Cornholio
05-25-2011, 11:40 AM
Makes me wonder about the move though. Mike Smith didn't play bad at all.
He didn't play spectacular either.
Both Bruins' goals weren't unstoppable for a goalie on a very good day.
Not Smith's fault at all, but not unstoppable...

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 03:06 PM
lol:

http://www.nesn.com/2011/05/guy-boucher-concerned-about-lopsided-calls-against-lightning-from-referee-scheduled-to-work-game-6-i.html

dw13
05-25-2011, 03:13 PM
I'm sorry but if you don't think the refs were shit, you're watching the last game with your Bruin specs on. It was disgusting.

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm sorry but if you don't think the refs were shit, you're watching the last game with your Bruin specs on. It was disgusting.

I do. I also know the Bruins have seen their share of shit refereeing, particularly in the Montreal series.

I also know that they never bitched about it when they could have.

It's a universal sign of the death rattle.

dw13
05-25-2011, 03:25 PM
:lol:

Snipes16
05-25-2011, 03:44 PM
:lol:

Shouldn't you be sitting in your seats by now

and whatever you do dont get tossed :beer:

dw13
05-25-2011, 03:49 PM
I'm sitting on the Water having a beer and a burger, listening to Dan talk about Guy Boucher being rattled :D. Don't you worry, I'll be in when the doors open ;) :beer:

MrScientist
05-25-2011, 04:41 PM
Hamster, two bolts no more ;) I made my account when I was 14 and wanted something different.

I think Roloson is the right call. Dude's a gamer in elimination games.

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 05:33 PM
I'm sitting on the Water having a beer and a burger, listening to Dan talk about Guy Boucher being rattled :D. Don't you worry, I'll be in when the doors open ;) :beer:

death rattle....as in last gasp before death.....

have another!

dw13
05-25-2011, 07:06 PM
http://imageshack.us/m/29/4177/59zoko.jpg

Lets go Bolts!

Kyle
05-25-2011, 09:22 PM
Why is Boston even here now? Seriously, Thomas is pulling off one of the most dramatic carry jobs ever this year. They have been so mediocre in front of him. They've been dominated half this series, a quarter was a tossup, and even giving them credit for controlling 25% of the play seems too much.

Dubz
05-25-2011, 09:27 PM
Mvp?

canuckthug
05-25-2011, 09:34 PM
lol, where is the D-Fence !!

canuckthug
05-25-2011, 09:49 PM
game 7... exactly what i was hoping for!

Roloson was pretty bad. I would expect another goalie controversy in TBay. My bet is Smith will start next game (if they want to win).

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 09:51 PM
hoooooooooooooooooah

guess guy won't be complaining about the refs anymore

boston takes it friday night, or i'll never post here again

oh i did so just pull a WWE career match

Kyle
05-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Wow, Roloson sucks.

dw13
05-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Bruins close it out tonight.

Not.

See ya in Boston DeelyNan!

canuckthug
05-25-2011, 10:01 PM
Wow, Roloson sucks.

Hes actually 7-0 in elimination games now (which is very good) but yeah, not impressive at all tonight. Downright bush league goaltending!! :lol:
Kelly Hrudey and Mike Milbury just said Smith could/should/likely start next game...

But in fairness, both goalies sucked tonight.

Roloson............... 0.800 SV%
Vezina Timmy....... 0.808% SV%

edit: Hrudey in the postgame just said he would start Roloson...(for what its worth).

NeelyDan
05-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Enjoy :)

I'm comin' out swingin' Friday night, prepare yourself

Dubz
05-25-2011, 10:18 PM
Hes actually 7-0 in elimination games now (which is very good)

:lol:

We got another statmaster on our hands:beer:

dw13
05-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Enjoy :)

I'm comin' out swingin' Friday night, prepare yourself

Hope your team comes out as hard as you say you will :lol:

I'm getting used to getting spotted a goal in the first minute.

szuturon
05-25-2011, 11:56 PM
Hope your team comes out as hard as you say you will :lol:

I'm getting used to getting spotted a goal in the first minute.

What good is that goal when the other team comes back with two...?

looch17
05-26-2011, 12:00 AM
Game 7 at home let's get it done Bruins!!!

dw13
05-26-2011, 12:16 AM
What good is that goal when the other team comes back with two...?

Certainly helped tonight, eh? ;)

Kyle
05-26-2011, 12:57 AM
What good is that goal when the other team comes back with two...?

Um, they won the damn game by a goal.:rolleyes: So, that goal is only good for surviving in the stanley cup playoffs and being one win away from a trip to the stanley cup finals instead of on their way home. Yeah, I think it was a pretty important goal.:rolleyes:

Or do we only value game winning goals?

dripsey3
05-26-2011, 04:00 AM
Trivia Time.

Don't look it up cause that's cheating.

Lightning fans aren't allowed answer cause that would be unfair.

Name the 3 players on the current version of the Bolts that were on the team that won the Stanley Cup in 2004.

2 are pretty obvious. The 3rd one may take a bit of time.

NeelyDan
05-26-2011, 05:43 AM
Hope your team comes out as hard as you say you will :lol:

I'm getting used to getting spotted a goal in the first minute.

tsk tsk, cockiness, such a rookie mistake.....you're gonna be more fun to beat than alias and his habs were

Hamsterkill
05-26-2011, 06:31 AM
Trivia Time.

Don't look it up cause that's cheating.

Lightning fans aren't allowed answer cause that would be unfair.

Name the 3 players on the current version of the Bolts that were on the team that won the Stanley Cup in 2004.

2 are pretty obvious. The 3rd one may take a bit of time.
Lecavalier and St. Louis obviously and I think Kubina's the other one.

phaneuf6
05-26-2011, 06:39 AM
Lecavalier and St. Louis obviously and I think Kubina's the other one.

This.

Canucks steamroll either of these teams in the final.

dw13
05-26-2011, 09:01 AM
tsk tsk, cockiness, such a rookie mistake.....you're gonna be more fun to beat than alias and his habs were

Rookie mistake? When was the last time the B's made the SCF? :lol:

NeelyDan
05-26-2011, 09:11 AM
Rookie mistake? When was the last time the B's made the SCF? :lol:

Good god man, you have a hard time following simple points, eh?

Good luck Friday - I can't really debate with you, it gives me a headache.

for the sake of clarity - last night's loss was 100% on Boston's shoulders, zero to do with penalties, outside of their inability to score when on the pp, and kill when on the pk.

dw13
05-26-2011, 09:30 AM
You struggle to have any sort of sense of humor. I'll stay using 2 smiley faces after I say something with sarcasm.

Friday will be fun regardless, this is series has been stunning.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 11:28 AM
This.

Canucks steamroll either of these teams in the final.

The only way the West wasn't going to steamroll the East was if Nashville pulled off consecutive miracles against Van/SJ. Any one of Det/Sj/Van were going to annihilate whoever made it through, especially when Washington and Philly got eliminated (Washington actually played good playoff hockey. TB really just stepped it up that series. Roloson in particular). This SCF will probably be a joke but it sets the stage for a good underdog story.

dw13
05-26-2011, 11:45 AM
They need to stop passing out 'rally drums' at the Lightning games. Things are really freaking annoying. Yeah, they're loud but I can barely walk after sitting through a game of 20k banging them.

Raja
05-26-2011, 11:51 AM
I have no doubt Detroit and SJ could have been beaten by an Eastern team that made it past the first round. Vancouver certainly has quite the upper hand against either team though.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 12:01 PM
I have no doubt Detroit and SJ could have been beaten by an Eastern team that made it past the first round. Vancouver certainly has quite the upper hand against either team though.

Detroit was something like 18-5 in a 3 game/4 night stretch against TB/Boston (back to backs against Boston) in recent months leading to the playoffs. I can go quote Neelydan (As arrogant as any fan around here, not to a detriment but just to establish my example) claiming Boston just isn't on that level yet if it'd help. Boston certainly isn't any better now than they were then. Arguably playing even worse, right down to Thomas. They're a drastically mismatched team against Detroit. TB is worse up front than Det/SJ, way worse on the blue line, and worse in net. Also drastically mismatched. I won't tap into Van comparisons because we both agree thats an obvious blowout. T

Anyone can be beaten by anybody. The point remains that any one of Det/SJ would've been incredibly lopsided against any remaining East teams once Philly/Washington fell.

Raja
05-26-2011, 12:42 PM
It makes no sense that you can think Philly/Washington could have been better matched up against those teams, but the teams that beat them wouldn't have. Even on paper, Detroit and San Jose don't have significantly better of anything compared to Eastern teams. I'm not saying it'd be easier by any means, but it'd be just as much of a series as any other team.

NeelyDan
05-26-2011, 01:16 PM
Detroit was something like 18-5 in a 3 game/4 night stretch against TB/Boston (back to backs against Boston) in recent months leading to the playoffs. I can go quote Neelydan (As arrogant as any fan around here, not to a detriment but just to establish my example) claiming Boston just isn't on that level yet if it'd help. Boston certainly isn't any better now than they were then. Arguably playing even worse, right down to Thomas. They're a drastically mismatched team against Detroit. TB is worse up front than Det/SJ, way worse on the blue line, and worse in net. Also drastically mismatched. I won't tap into Van comparisons because we both agree thats an obvious blowout. T

Anyone can be beaten by anybody. The point remains that any one of Det/SJ would've been incredibly lopsided against any remaining East teams once Philly/Washington fell.

I'd agree on Detroit. Not necessarily San Jose.

Tho it was a small sample size, the Bruins were completely outclassed by the wings when they met this year.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 01:20 PM
What aren't you understanding? It makes perfect sense. You're treating it like a math equation. If A > B, and C > A, then C > B. Except this isn't math. Its a sport. Different variables factor into why one team loses to one and beats another. In sports, one team might be better matched against an opponent than another team, even if that other team defeated them.

West fans would happily defend the cup against TB or Bos before Washington or Philly, or a healthy Penguins team. TB and Bos are not elite teams.

I said at their best. Philly took a giant shit on the last 20% or so of the season. They never really looked like the top team in the east in that span and dragged along after pulling ahead of the pack and battling Van for first for a while.

Washington is more difficult to explain. You could really argue they totally outplayed TB. Most every game felt like they should've won. It was definitely an underdog story.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 01:23 PM
I'd agree on Detroit. Not necessarily San Jose.

Tho it was a small sample size, the Bruins were completely outclassed by the wings when they met this year.

San Jose really snapped 3/5 into the season and turned into a club I'd rank every bit as good as Vancouver. Even into the playoffs, exhaustion was the only thing preventing them from looking every bit as good as Vancouver through the full series. I understand the full sample size has to be considered. But to me its always been more about the finish than the start, and San Jose really came out of nowhere with an incredibly strong surge from 9th to 2nd and looked dominant. Through that stretch they were definitely the best performing team this season.

dw13
05-26-2011, 01:30 PM
Think this is all incredibly stupid. Why judge something we don't know? If the playoffs are any indication, ANYTHING can happen.

I also think it's unfair to say Boston and Tampa are not elite teams. They've made it where they are for a reason, they are the two best teams in the East.

DarkValiant
05-26-2011, 01:33 PM
Think this is all incredibly stupid. Why judge something we don't know? If the playoffs are any indication, ANYTHING can happen.

I also think it's unfair to say Boston and Tampa are not elite teams. They've made it where they are for a reason, they are the two best teams in the East.

That's not really saying much.

I'd much rather the NHL just go to some kind of format where it's ranked 1 to 16 by points regardless of conference so it ends up being the two best teams at the end rather than the way it is now.

Even then it'd still be flawed because the eastern teams play a bunch more times against each other but meh.

NeelyDan
05-26-2011, 01:41 PM
divisional format is dumb now, too

dw13
05-26-2011, 01:42 PM
That's not really saying much.

I'd much rather the NHL just go to some kind of format where it's ranked 1 to 16 by points regardless of conference so it ends up being the two best teams at the end rather than the way it is now.

Even then it'd still be flawed because the eastern teams play a bunch more times against each other but meh.

I find it hilarious how you guys are underselling the East, and you'll feel right because Vancouver should be such heavy favorites for the Cup. Just remember, Vancouver was also easily the best team in the West as well.

I'd fancy a series with Boston/TB/PHI/WAS against SJ/DET/NAS any day of the week. They'd all be competitive series.

You can't go 1-16 unless you put out a balanced schedule without conferences, and the travel over 82 games makes that thought not even worth your time.

I just really hope whomever wins tomorrow, pulls up their pants and really gets on Vancouvers ass. Even though I'm sure nothing (even winning a Cup) would change most of your guys mind.

NeelyDan
05-26-2011, 01:43 PM
West fans would happily defend the cup against TB or Bos before Washington or Philly, or a healthy Penguins team. TB and Bos are not elite teams.

this is actually frustratingly difficult to argue against

ih8music
05-26-2011, 01:47 PM
I'd much rather the NHL just go to some kind of format where it's ranked 1 to 16 by points regardless of conference so it ends up being the two best teams at the end rather than the way it is now.

Hmm... maybe they could poll national sportwriters for their rankings of playoff-bound teams. Maybe add a coaches poll, too. Have a few computer models as well that look at empirical data like total points, gf vs. ga, relative strength of schedule, etc. Mix all that up and I'm sure you'd get a system that nobody could dare to complain about.

Snipes16
05-26-2011, 01:57 PM
Kyle, I'll give you props for being correct on the majority of your posts but to suggest that Washington totally outplayed Tampa in an 0-4 sweep is just ludacris and there is no way to justify saying Washington should have won that series...end of conversation.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 02:02 PM
Think this is all incredibly stupid. Why judge something we don't know? If the playoffs are any indication, ANYTHING can happen.

I also think it's unfair to say Boston and Tampa are not elite teams. They've made it where they are for a reason, they are the two best teams in the East.


Wrong. Not even close. I understand from the moment you said you beat a Penguins team thats as good as any team in the league that objectivity flew out the window, but get a grip.


Even though I'm sure nothing (even winning a Cup) would change most of your guys mind.

Daw, you take it so offensively, I don't get it. We like specific teams. We have no bias or inclination to support the West being better. We state it so plainly and bluntly because its true. Just like Phi/Washington/Pitt being the elite teams in the East. You try to ignore the most obvious truths and just refer to the reality, well of course the reality in sports doesn't always reflect the obvious. Not every win or loss is conclusive evidence. The Penguins are better than TB. Washington is better than TB. They played at least every bit as good through 4 games and got beaten by a hot goaltender. It happens (IE - Ducks vs Wings 2003). As far as East vs West goes, If you want to hear an essay explaining the mediocrity of hockey on display across the East by comparison to the West, by all means I'll happily bore you. But you obviously don't want to get into the details. So don't half-way debate a point you're obviously not interested in diving into.

Daw, hilarious that you're right back into that defensive mentality you reverted into every time I pointed out the Jets got outplayed despite a win, that "Logic doesn't matter, results mean everything" argument you always fell on when I pointed out how clearly worse they were despite the end result. Yet whenever TB loses you're the first to ignore the fact and point out how great they played anyway, to point out that DESPITE reality, they were the better team and outplayed Boston. Its all about wins when going farther hurts your point, but when the wins aren't there you make an exception and go with the "Yeah, but we were obviously better" bit. You're extraordinarily inconsistent.

Kyle
05-26-2011, 02:13 PM
Kyle, I'll give you props for being correct on the majority of your posts but to suggest that Washington totally outplayed Tampa in an 0-4 sweep is just ludacris and there is no way to justify saying Washington should have won that series...end of conversation.

I'll admit it wasn't a strong point but it wasn't nearly as outrageous as you're implying. Washington absolutely dominated game 2. That TB went into the third with 1 goal allowed and not 3 or 4 was an anomaly. Games 1 and 3 were every bit as much up for grabs, game 1 especially was a hardly-earned win that falls more on Roloson than anyone.

TB won. They deserved it. I can still easily make the argument that Washington is a clearly better team. Nothing shown through that series disproves that at all and they certainly weren't the least bit outplayed. Every moment of games 1-3 felt like it was only a matter of time until Washington finally opened up the floodgates. They were threatening almost constantly.

dw13
05-26-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm not in the slightest bit in a defensive state, nor do I really care about this as much as you think because it ISN'T the same argument about the Jets. I didn't want to even mention that because we both know how I feel about that.

I seriously can't get my mind around the fact that Washington is a better team then Tampa. Why? Because they had a better regular season? Because they picked up a 'new' style of hockey to become a legit playoff contender? Yeah, that really worked. They were physically abused by the Lightning, they were outworked by the Lightning and by the 3rd game they were back to their old style of play because the Lightning completely took them apart.

This is the playoffs Kyle, this isn't the regular season. The Lightning have committed themselves to their special teams, to being strong in their own zone and mixing in the 1-3-1 to really cramp and pressure teams into mistakes. It's worked and worked incredibly well.

I don't understand why you think the East playoffs has featured 'bad' hockey? It hasn't. This Boston / Tampa series has NOT been bad hockey.

Me saying we were the 'better' team in a loss, isn't the same as you saying the Caps are 'better' than the Lightning. Being outplayed over a game and winning happens all the time in this sport, but that's why they play 7 game series. You don't randomly come away with a series win, and you CERTAINLY don't come away with 4 game sweeps.

The Lightning (and Bruins) clearly have their struggles but to sit here and tell me Detroit would of walked through the Eastern Conference absolutely boggles my mind and I refuse to even get into an argument. This Tampa team sets up MUCH better over a 7 game series than a game in the regular season.

It's subjective at this point, so stop telling me how wrong I am about the East vs. Detroit, it's purely opinionated even though you continually try to say you're stating 'facts'