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lektrix
01-04-2011, 05:36 PM
http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/22396147561660416

Surprised this wasn't posted here earlier?

kiLLscaLLion
01-04-2011, 06:17 PM
Smells like 1st PP pointman to me...not activated on Yahoo yet though.

I might take a flyer on him over Shattenkirk.

fleuryfan
01-04-2011, 06:18 PM
Should I pick him up for Erik Johnson?

PMStick
01-04-2011, 06:21 PM
I like EJ to turn it up for the 2nd half of the season. Him, Giordano or Timonen?

I missed out on Giordano. Him or Timonen?

punkasss
01-04-2011, 06:21 PM
If you are in a one year league with keepers set and nowhere to go but up...I say go for it. You got nothing to lose!!! But i wouldn't drop Shattenkirk for him...

punkasss
01-04-2011, 06:22 PM
I like EJ to turn it up for the 2nd half of the season. Him, Giordano or Timonen?

Definitely do no drop Giordano!!!! Love him now and for the future.

fleuryfan
01-04-2011, 06:26 PM
I could start 4 Defensemen but I only have 3. Should I drop Antropov for MAB?

punkasss
01-04-2011, 06:51 PM
That might be your best option...are u in the running to win?

fleuryfan
01-04-2011, 06:58 PM
not at all :( especially with the goalies I have and the injuries to Getzlaf and Datysuk

punkasss
01-04-2011, 07:11 PM
not at all :( especially with the goalies I have and the injuries to Getzlaf and Datysuk

Then I say go for it...hell he become great trade bait!!

Raja
01-04-2011, 07:37 PM
It's pending a physical, and he'll have to clear waivers before he enters yahoo's system. wait and see before considering first.

lektrix
01-04-2011, 09:27 PM
If you are in a one year league with keepers set and nowhere to go but up...I say go for it. You got nothing to lose!!! But i wouldn't drop Shattenkirk for him...

Shat hasn't done shat in a while....I'd gamble on MAB. Clark and Kubina's value just went waaay down (and they weren't that good to begin with).

paulie
01-06-2011, 11:07 AM
MAB is now available on waivers. I have the first waiver pick in both my leagues. I was going to save it for Nabokov (if he ever comes back this season), but I'm debating whether or not to use it to pick MAB up.

Team A, I dropped a D to get Roloson. I'm looking at forwards to see if there's anyone expendable, but I don't know if there is.

Team B, I would drop Subban for MAB.

Is MAB worthy of a first waiver pick?

chadw01
01-06-2011, 11:27 AM
1st waiver in a 12-teamer for MAB? No way.

He's in Yahoo now (Jan 8), but he has to clear NHL waivers first. TB is hoping he slips through, but another team might pick him up.. the Devils could use a puck moving D-man.. but do they have cap space?

Anyways, in your case, wait for him to clear..

lektrix
01-06-2011, 11:51 AM
Dropping Fowler for him. I'm 6th in waiver.

mattfenn
01-06-2011, 12:05 PM
He shows as a FA in Yahoo! today, and our league uses a waiver system. I scooped him up for Timonen (FYI, do a comparison of Timo and Meszaro's stats over the past 30 days).

alias
01-06-2011, 12:32 PM
when does he clear NHL waivers?

secol
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
afaik he is going to be doing a minor league stint first?

chadw01
01-06-2011, 12:54 PM
He shows as a FA in Yahoo! today, and our league uses a waiver system. I scooped him up for Timonen (FYI, do a comparison of Timo and Meszaro's stats over the past 30 days).

yes, I forgot the commish can change the waiver settings.. in some Y! leagues, he'll be FA right away, and in others, you'll have to wait until the 8th..

chadw01
01-06-2011, 12:55 PM
afaik he is going to be doing a minor league stint first?

yup.. going down to norfolk for conditioning.. when he comes back up he'll have to clear.

doofdoof
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Yahoo notes:


Bergeron cleared waivers Thursday and will report to AHL Norfolk, ESPN's Pierre LeBrun reports.
Recommendation: There was a slight risk in exposing Bergeron to waivers, but now that he's cleared he'll head to Norfolk to get into shape and eventually return to the Lightning.
(Rotowire.com)

lektrix
01-06-2011, 04:26 PM
Would you guys use your 6th waiver and drop Fowler for him?

keyboard
01-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Bergeron is a bum.

He's fast with no strength, he doesn't distribute well, and doesn't have much of a shot. There's a reason he didn't start the season on an NHL roster.

Rocklobster
01-06-2011, 05:04 PM
yeah, he was injured.




guy is not a bad option in fantasy leagues for PPP's. He's got a nice slap shot...

keyboard
01-06-2011, 05:25 PM
guy is not a bad option in fantasy leagues for PPP's. He's got a nice slap shot...
Being healthy isn't really his style.

Guy isn't worth burning a waiver for.

Rocklobster
01-06-2011, 05:28 PM
Being healthy isn't really his style.

Guy isn't worth burning a waiver for.

yeah he's really injury prone and not worth a 1-5 waiver. still good option in 12 teamer leagues though.

alias
01-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Bergeron is a bum.

He's fast with no strength, he doesn't distribute well, and doesn't have much of a shot. There's a reason he didn't start the season on an NHL roster.

he put up a 46 point pace last year and is always a PP threat (22 PPP's in 60 games last year). If used properly he can be very valuable. And doesn't have much of a shot? Really?

keyboard
01-06-2011, 11:29 PM
he put up a 46 point pace last year and is always a PP threat (22 PPP's in 60 games last year). If used properly he can be very valuable. And doesn't have much of a shot? Really?
You'll see. You keep looking at those stat pages, I'll stick to watching the game.

bearcats
01-06-2011, 11:49 PM
I am going to keep a close eye on his progress in the minors.......kubina/hedman/clark have all had a shot at being a PP dynamo and all 3 have failed to produce regular success.....

Raja
01-07-2011, 11:39 AM
You'll see. You keep looking at those stat pages, I'll stick to watching the game.

Stats are all that matters in fantasy hockey. It's not like people didn't draft Spezza because he's was defensive liability/injury risk, same thing for Bergeron. 20 points in 30 games isn't out of the question.

alias
01-07-2011, 12:05 PM
You'll see. You keep looking at those stat pages, I'll stick to watching the game.

and what you will see is that he's a defensive liability who should see limited 5 on 5 time. How does that affect fantsay teams exactly? Your claim he has no shot leads me to believe you haven't seen much of him at all. In fact, it seems to me you always claim to have a real good idea of how good or bad every single NHL player is first hand. You always say you've seen these guys play a lot. I start to wonder sometimes. If it's true you must PVR a lot of games and have no life whatsoever.

lektrix
01-07-2011, 12:08 PM
Worth the gamble is all I'm sayin'.

keyboard
01-07-2011, 02:17 PM
Stats are all that matters in fantasy hockey. Projection of stats are what matter.


and what you will see is that he's a defensive liability who should see limited 5 on 5 time. How does that affect fantsay teams exactly? Your claim he has no shot leads me to believe you haven't seen much of him at all. In fact, it seems to me you always claim to have a real good idea of how good or bad every single NHL player is first hand. You always say you've seen these guys play a lot. I start to wonder sometimes. If it's true you must PVR a lot of games and have no life whatsoever.
Plenty of NHL players have shots, doesn't mean much. Bergeron is a lot like Ian White and it's not like you'll see White on the PP any time soon. Foster has a cannon of a shot, doesn't translate either. Neither are as injury prone as Bergeron or as awful on defense.

And yeah, I watch a lot of hockey. I make more betting on it than you do at your 8 hour job, so ask yourself, who really doesn't have a life?

Bob Clarke WAS My Hero
01-07-2011, 02:43 PM
And yeah, I watch a lot of hockey. I make more betting on it than you do at your 8 hour job, so ask yourself, who really doesn't have a life?

Awfully presumptuous, and pretty hard to tell which side you're arguing here. A gambling degenerate having a better life than one working an honest job for a living? Hmmm...:freak:

keyboard
01-07-2011, 03:03 PM
Awfully presumptuous, and pretty hard to tell which side you're arguing here. A gambling degenerate having a better life than one working an honest job for a living? Hmmm...:freak:
What is so dishonest about gambling? I'm a degenerate because I bet on sports? What the fuck do morals have to do with it, you clown? :lol:

People have such a bullshit notion of sportsbetting it's laughable. You need a reality check.

Rocklobster
01-07-2011, 03:08 PM
yeah man, who the fuck cares where ya get your money from? I get mine from selling crack cocaine to elementary school kids.

Bob Clarke WAS My Hero
01-07-2011, 03:09 PM
What is so dishonest about gambling? I'm a degenerate because I bet on sports? What the fuck do morals have to do with it, you clown? :lol:

People have such a bullshit notion of sportsbetting it's laughable. You need a reality check.

Judging by the majority of the posts throughout this forum regarding your takes, it seems you're the clown, actually.

And there's nothing wrong with gambling, but in lieu of an actual job is when you start to creep into degenerate territory. Not to mention bragging about it.

keyboard
01-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Judging by the majority of the posts throughout this forum regarding your takes, it seems you're the clown, actually.

And there's nothing wrong with gambling, but in lieu of an actual job is when you start to creep into degenerate territory. Not to mention bragging about it.See, what you think of gambling is what you do, which is those $5 on playoff games so you can cheer your home team. Good for you.

I do it for a living and it's no different that the stock market. It's funny how people fail to realize how little difference there is. People invest in what they think is profitable based on research and projections, they then either turn profit or take a loss. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

But you live in your narrow little world where betting on sports is immoral. I really don't understand what morals have to do with it, but I guess you grew up in a religious household or something. I feel sorry for you.

Many would trade their jobs for what I do in a heartbeat. I work less hours and make more money, and best of all, I get to watch sports.

But this is all moot. I just find the idea that I'm a "degenerate" because I bet sports to be so fucking stupid, I'm offended at the notion. Maybe you should look the word degenerate up sometime.

Bob Clarke WAS My Hero
01-07-2011, 03:35 PM
Your initial comment came off as fucking stupid, dude, and made you sound like a degenerate. Anyone in this forum couldn't really give a shit how much any others make, or how they make it. I've lost too much to tell in gambling (and dealing, rocklobster), and I'm not talking money, that comes and goes. Please don't presume you know me or my past, I am positive no one here does.

Sorry for insulting your profession brah...

Bob Clarke WAS My Hero
01-07-2011, 03:38 PM
I will agree with you though, MAB is hardly worth a look in anything but the deepest of leagues...

keyboard
01-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Your initial comment came off as fucking stupid, dude, and made you sound like a degenerate. Anyone in this forum couldn't really give a shit how much any others make, or how they make it. I've lost too much to tell in gambling (and dealing, rocklobster), and I'm not talking money, that comes and goes. Please don't presume you know me or my past, I am positive no one here does.

Sorry for insulting your profession brah...No worries.


I will agree with you though, MAB is hardly worth a look in anything but the deepest of leagues...
:beer:

madsci
01-07-2011, 04:39 PM
I think if anyone's going to disparage how people spend their time, posting on a forum to get advice so they can win at fantasy hockey contests disqualifies everyone in this thread :lol:

MAB is like that slutty girl you dated in high school. You'll score pretty regularly and think it's awesome, but then you'll realize that every other part of your life is going downhill fast and you could probably find a more well-rounded girl who could put out just as often but also give you points in other areas.

lektrix
01-07-2011, 05:02 PM
We're all fantasy hockey degenerates. How much time do we spend watching hockey games we could really give a shit about? How much time do we spend reading these forums on a daily basis? Hell, a good portion of us don't even play for money. :lol::lol::lol:

Raja
01-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Projection of stats are what matter.


When you draft sure, but not now. Not to mention they vary from person to person, obviously. Not that you need him on your team, but even if you pick him up there are people that perceive is value higher than you do and after 1 or 2 good games you can trade him.

You've also called both Clowe and I believe Doan, and I'm sure others bums, and that's not entirely working in your favor now is it :beer:

Also, do you do point spreads or teams to win usually when betting?

PMStick
01-07-2011, 05:59 PM
I think if anyone's going to disparage how people spend their time, posting on a forum to get advice so they can win at fantasy hockey contests disqualifies everyone in this thread :lol:

MAB is like that slutty girl you dated in high school. You'll score pretty regularly and think it's awesome, but then you'll realize that every other part of your life is going downhill fast and you could probably find a more well-rounded girl who could put out just as often but also give you points in other areas.

I need a little MAB on the side. lolz

jd1655
01-07-2011, 06:05 PM
"I do it for a living and it's no different that the stock market. It's funny how people fail to realize how little difference there is. People invest in what they think is profitable based on research and projections, they then either turn profit or take a loss. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?"

Gamble all you like, but don't fool yourself into thinking it is 'the same' as investing in the stock market. If no one had invested in Microsoft, we have no Office or Windows. No investing in Pfizer? No viagra and a variety of other heart medication. Investing in Apple? No Iphone and so on. Stop betting on sports? The sport continues... The teams get a marginal benefit from sports gambling at best. Without stock investing hard working people lose their jobs (or the jobs never exist in the first place).

Anyway, all that aside, good luck in whatever you do

habsfan1
01-07-2011, 06:26 PM
See, what you think of gambling is what you do, which is those $5 on playoff games so you can cheer your home team. Good for you.

I do it for a living and it's no different that the stock market. It's funny how people fail to realize how little difference there is. People invest in what they think is profitable based on research and projections, they then either turn profit or take a loss. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

But you live in your narrow little world where betting on sports is immoral. I really don't understand what morals have to do with it, but I guess you grew up in a religious household or something. I feel sorry for you.

Many would trade their jobs for what I do in a heartbeat. I work less hours and make more money, and best of all, I get to watch sports.

But this is all moot. I just find the idea that I'm a "degenerate" because I bet sports to be so fucking stupid, I'm offended at the notion. Maybe you should look the word degenerate up sometime.

Ok I'm curious, and don't tell me if you don't want (obviously), but is all you do is gamble on sports games? How much are you betting? Especially to make six figures a year (the way your talking I'm guessing this is what you make).

abusiveninja
01-07-2011, 07:12 PM
Ok I'm curious, and don't tell me if you don't want (obviously), but is all you do is gamble on sports games? How much are you betting? Especially to make six figures a year (the way your talking I'm guessing this is what you make).

And do you pay taxes? Seriously. Curious if you claim your winnings.

keyboard
01-07-2011, 07:34 PM
When you draft sure, but not now. Not to mention they vary from person to person, obviously. Not that you need him on your team, but even if you pick him up there are people that perceive is value higher than you do and after 1 or 2 good games you can trade him.

You've also called both Clowe and I believe Doan, and I'm sure others bums, and that's not entirely working in your favor now is it :beer:

Also, do you do point spreads or teams to win usually when betting?Sure, but I think Bergeron's value is going to be at its peak in his potential. He could be the solution people are looking for. I just don't think he'll do much. But hey, like with Clowe, Doan, and Fleischmann, I've been wrong before.



Gamble all you like, but don't fool yourself into thinking it is 'the same' as investing in the stock market.I meant what the job entails. Also, don't fool yourself, the gambling world is a huge part of sports.


Ok I'm curious, and don't tell me if you don't want (obviously), but is all you do is gamble on sports games? How much are you betting? Especially to make six figures a year (the way your talking I'm guessing this is what you make).All I do is wager on sports. I do not make six figures, I said I make more than most people do at my age working their 9-5s. I make more each year because my bankroll increases each year. Had I started with more money I'd be clearing $10,000/month by now. But good things come to those who wait.

alias
01-07-2011, 07:55 PM
And yeah, I watch a lot of hockey. I make more betting on it than you do at your 8 hour job, so ask yourself, who really doesn't have a life?

If you made a lot of money betting on how many points specific players would put up I'd be more incline to agree with you, but betting that Pittsburgh will beat Tampa Bay does not mean you have more insight as to how many points MAB will get with Tampa. Also, if the guy put up a 45 point pace with Montreal I would think playing the point on the PP with Stamkos, St. Louis, & Vinny would give him a good opportunity to match last year's pace.

keyboard
01-07-2011, 09:11 PM
Also, if the guy put up a 45 point pace with Montreal I would think playing the point on the PP with Stamkos, St. Louis, & Vinny would give him a good opportunity to match last year's pace.
Using your logic, Kubina should have been a perfect fit. He shoots more than Bergeron, played on the exact PP unit you're referring to, has stayed healthier, and was around 40 points with TOR and ATL.

But other than that, good point.

phaneuf6
01-08-2011, 12:46 AM
Depth move I think. Like keyboard said, he's basically Kubina-Lite.

alias
01-08-2011, 11:46 AM
Using your logic, Kubina should have been a perfect fit. He shoots more than Bergeron, played on the exact PP unit you're referring to, has stayed healthier, and was around 40 points with TOR and ATL.

But other than that, good point.

Kubina & MAB will be used differently, at least I hope so. MAB should only be a PP specialist whereas Kubina is being used in multiple situations. I'm not entirely certain of his entire role in Tampa but is Kubina being relied on more here than he was in the past with other teams? It's like Spacek in Montreal. He was putting up 40+ points in Buffalo, but he was asked to play a different role in Montreal, he was not on the first pairing like he was in Buffalo and was asked to play more of a shutdown role and it affected his point output. No coach in their right mind will use MAB in a shutdown role.

madsci
01-08-2011, 01:49 PM
[I]
Gamble all you like, but don't fool yourself into thinking it is 'the same' as investing in the stock market. If no one had invested in Microsoft, we have no Office or Windows. No investing in Pfizer? No viagra and a variety of other heart medication. Investing in Apple? No Iphone and so on.

Not to resurrect the past, but to clarify - this isn't really how the market works. Sure, if you're an early investor or if you buy primary shares when they're initially offered, you're supporting the commercial activities of the company. Otherwise (the vast majority of the time), the company derives no benefit from the buying and selling of shares on the stock market. You think that the share is undervalued, and you buy it from someone else with the express intent of selling it at a profit later. It's absolutely a bet. Things like dividends or companies selling stock they've retained complicate it slightly, but only slightly. And for the stock jockeys into day-trading, derivatives, etc - it is exactly like sports betting, only more corrupt.

secol
01-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Using your logic, Kubina should have been a perfect fit. He shoots more than Bergeron, played on the exact PP unit you're referring to, has stayed healthier, and was around 40 points with TOR and ATL.

But other than that, good point.
i used that logic at the beginning of the season >.<

keyboard
01-08-2011, 03:24 PM
Not to resurrect the past, but to clarify - this isn't really how the market works. Sure, if you're an early investor or if you buy primary shares when they're initially offered, you're supporting the commercial activities of the company. Otherwise (the vast majority of the time), the company derives no benefit from the buying and selling of shares on the stock market. You think that the share is undervalued, and you buy it from someone else with the express intent of selling it at a profit later. It's absolutely a bet. Things like dividends or companies selling stock they've retained complicate it slightly, but only slightly. And for the stock jockeys into day-trading, derivatives, etc - it is exactly like sports betting, only more corrupt.Yeah, what he said.

price+huet=success
01-09-2011, 05:23 PM
Your initial comment came off as fucking stupid, dude, and made you sound like a degenerate. Anyone in this forum couldn't really give a shit how much any others make, or how they make it. I've lost too much to tell in gambling (and dealing, rocklobster), and I'm not talking money, that comes and goes. Please don't presume you know me or my past, I am positive no one here does.

Sorry for insulting your profession brah...

i know your past, u liked bob clarke once

alias
01-18-2011, 09:33 AM
whats the latest here....is he playing in the AHL right now?

Raja
01-18-2011, 10:21 AM
6 games played, 1 assist. I don't know about PP time or ice time or anything, but that doesn't bode well.

Abe Froman
01-18-2011, 02:53 PM
dropping guys like Fowler for MAB????? I wish I was in your league.

mike550
01-18-2011, 05:11 PM
Hahaha those are just brutal numbers in the AHL.

price+huet=success
01-18-2011, 06:17 PM
i think that the only way MAB can be productive is with crafty linemates on the pp who can get him a perfect one timer. he literally can't do anything else. i held my breath everytime he had the puck for more than a half second playing for mtl. so maybe (wild speculation) he isnt producing in the AHL b/c he's playing with crappy players who have a bad pp setup as it is, whereas with vinny and st louis setting him up he should be able to do what he does best: rip shots.

mike550
01-20-2011, 01:22 PM
Anyone think we don't even see him in the NHL this year? It looks like the numbers he has put up the last few years with the Habs and Wild could be a thing of the past, he's useful strictly in PP situations and is very weak defensively.

alias
02-05-2011, 06:49 PM
Sat, Feb 5

Bergeron will be recalled Saturday, ESPN's Pierre LeBrun reports. Recommendation: Bergeron's ability to put up points makes him a useful fantasy defender in many scenarios, though his hold on playing time at the moment isn't guaranteed due to the fact that he's less useful in the real game than he is the fantasy one. It's not entirely clear what Tampa has planned for him, but he presumably has a chance to suit up for Sunday's game against St. Louis.
(Rotowire.com)

abusiveninja
02-06-2011, 03:45 PM
Looks as though he's getting lots of PP time already. Nice.

GIMME THAT PP, KID!!! I WANT THE PP!!

YouTube - Mr. Toilet Man

iceHOLE
02-06-2011, 04:20 PM
Looks as though he's getting lots of PP time already. Nice.

GIMME THAT PP, KID!!! I WANT THE PP!!

YouTube - Mr. Toilet Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7o8KuJKizs)

lol funny movie growing up..

flyingfrog
02-06-2011, 05:57 PM
Two assists today in his first game in the NHL including one on the power play, wish I played him! Looks like we got a keeper.