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Raja
08-25-2010, 08:09 PM
Marleau, Sharp, Mueller, Elias, Tyler Kennedy, and Ennis all have LW/C
Nash and Heatley have LW/RW

Malkin at 7
Zetterberg at 29
Getzlaf at 30
Kopitar at 37
Hossa at 71
Hemsky at 101
M. Koivu at 106
Krejci at 154
Downie at 157
Sharp at 212
Havlat at 234
Clarkson at 356

Defense seemed pretty reasonable but I didn't pay as much attention.

Fleury, Rinne, Ward, Backstrom all seem pretty low.

Zangetsu
08-25-2010, 08:11 PM
Hudler is buried down in the 600s.

chgorman
08-25-2010, 08:16 PM
Aww man, Ennis has LW eligibility?

Damn, never shoulda traded him. Boo.

Zangetsu
08-25-2010, 08:20 PM
Yeah, that sucks. Of the three guys to get C/LW, he was the only one Yahoo had listed as a C during the offseason. They definitely added the LW later.

BTW, I don't know who first directed me to the Yahoo player pages as a good source of offseason positional information (might've been dw13), but it looks like that is the source to go with, as every questionable player that I checked was accurate.

Buckethead
08-25-2010, 08:23 PM
This is always my favourite thread.

Raja
08-25-2010, 08:23 PM
Yeah, that sucks. Of the three guys to get C/LW, he was the only one Yahoo had listed as a C during the offseason. They definitely added the LW later.

BTW, I don't know who first directed me to the Yahoo player pages as a good source of offseason positional information (might've been dw13), but it looks like that is the source to go with, as every questionable player that I checked was accurate.


I know I mentioned it at some point in time this off season, I don't remember who I heard it from though. Maybe him earlier heh.

phaneuf6
08-25-2010, 08:32 PM
Aww man, Ennis has LW eligibility?

Damn, never shoulda traded him. Boo.

;)

Nash with LW/RW is pretty clutch. Hoping Zherdev gets the same.

Chilly_Willy
08-25-2010, 08:36 PM
Mueller ranked pretty low, he stands a chance of getting C/RW

phaneuf6
08-25-2010, 08:40 PM
Mueller ranked pretty low, he stands a chance of getting C/RW

Mueller is 96th.. not low at all.

bearcats
08-25-2010, 08:41 PM
malkin should be a c/lw.....especially if the pens are planning on Staal on the 2nd line...he plays C better than Gino

Chilly_Willy
08-25-2010, 08:41 PM
Mueller is 96th.. not low at all.

Oh I was going by the rank not the O rank. My O rank Ohhh Ohhh.

alias
08-25-2010, 08:54 PM
these rankings will change no doubt. I had to keep editing the sleeper list I had made last year because Yahoo kept making corrections.

P.S. I got league #777. Anybody get lower?

phaneuf6
08-25-2010, 08:56 PM
p.s. I got league #777. Anybody get lower?

222.

dw13
08-25-2010, 08:59 PM
Yeah, I used the whole Yahoo! search player thing last year for an offseason draft and it worked like a charm... I gave it out this year because of it, and it seemed (like for Zang) to work out well.

I'm happy to see Nash get both LW,RW.

pjm
08-25-2010, 09:01 PM
Pavelski is listed as a RW right now... always thought of him as a C. Awesome!

Dubz
08-25-2010, 09:23 PM
Im pissed...why does a player change in the off season when they dont play hockey....yet while they play RW for FUCKING MONTHS IN A ROW DURING THE SEASON stay a center? Y! is pulling shit out of their asses and I for one hate them for it. You dont fucking make more wrongs to try and make something right assholes. Im borderline anti Y! after ive stood behind their "let the other guy make the position changes" argument for years - they done fucked up....simple as that.

alias
08-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Centers

7. Evgeni Malkin
29. Henrik Zetterberg
30. Ryan Getzlaf
37. Anze Kopitar
101. Mikko Koivu
236. Tyler Seguin
246. Derrick Brassard
381. Mikhail Grabovski

Left Wing

90. Simon Gagne
212. Patrick Sharp
240. Sean Avery
255. Jamie Benn
274. Andy MacDonald
351. Milan Michalek
410. James VanRiemsdyk

Right Wing

71. Marian Hossa
101. Ales Hemsky
141. Shane Doan
157. Steve Downie
168. Jason Pominville
176. Dustin Brown
185. Brian Gionta
229. Brad Boyes
234. Martin Havlat
281. Michael Frolik
356. David Clarkson
404. Justin Williams
622. Jiri Hudler

Defensemen - as compared to other D-men

65. Zdeno Chara
99. Andrei Markov - will be out for the first 2 months of the seasopn though....
166. Erik Karlsson
178. PK Subban - covering for Markov while he's recovering
182. Kris Letang - heading up the PIT PP?
233. Joni Pitkanen

Goalies - as compared to other goalies

147. Michael Leighton
256. Nikolai Khabibulin
319. Rick DiPietro - think he's over his injuries?
343. JS Giguere

Deep Sleepers - best for deep leaguers

291. Michal Neuvirth(G)
315. Jacob Markstrom(G)
540. Sergei Kostitsyn(LW) - has the talent, will a new environment help?
647. Oscar Moller(C)
649. Michael Backlund(C)
677. Mikkel Boedker(LW)
725. Jesse Joensuu(LW)

Gern Blansten
08-25-2010, 10:05 PM
:beer: Alias! Nice list!

Raja
08-25-2010, 10:06 PM
Gilbert and A. Greene were both very low for D as well.

Gern Blansten
08-25-2010, 10:10 PM
Paul Martin is deep too.

bearcats
08-25-2010, 10:15 PM
burns was not taken....barker/letang were both taken with my last two picks

Dubz
08-25-2010, 10:41 PM
Paul Martin is deep too.

I took him in the 13th round;)

I also own3 of the deep sleepers on my farm. Good list alias

Buckethead
08-26-2010, 12:33 AM
League 458

dripsey3
08-26-2010, 03:37 AM
Either I'm right or I'm losing my mind, but didn't Heatley have LW/RW last season?

Hamsterkill
08-26-2010, 08:19 AM
Aww man, Ennis has LW eligibility?

Damn, never shoulda traded him. Boo.
He would have gotten it during the season anyway (probably). He's not going to play center for the Sabres.

Dunno where he's ranked right now, but he might qualify for alias' deep sleepers list, too.

Hamsterkill
08-26-2010, 08:21 AM
malkin should be a c/lw.....especially if the pens are planning on Staal on the 2nd line...he plays C better than Gino
I agree with you on Malkin vs Staal at C, but we'll see. Malkin was the center when they played together their rookie year, but now Staal has become better at faceoffs.

jeffoule
08-26-2010, 08:24 AM
Either I'm right or I'm losing my mind, but didn't Heatley have LW/RW last season?

Yes he had

bearcats
08-26-2010, 08:57 AM
Either I'm right or I'm losing my mind, but didn't Heatley have LW/RW last season?

no he did not......however 2 seasons ago he did.....

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 09:53 AM
Im pissed...why does a player change in the off season when they dont play hockey....yet while they play RW for FUCKING MONTHS IN A ROW DURING THE SEASON stay a center? Y! is pulling shit out of their asses and I for one hate them for it. You dont fucking make more wrongs to try and make something right assholes. Im borderline anti Y! after ive stood behind their "let the other guy make the position changes" argument for years - they done fucked up....simple as that.


I'm with you, yahoo position management never fails to disappoint many managers. I wish they would just tag a player and leave it be rather than give managers random advantages by adding a position at random times randomly. To change positions on opening day just makes no sense whatsoever.:freak:

But still its a great free service and who doesn't like wining the lottery on these players.

phaneuf6
08-26-2010, 10:08 AM
Pretty sure Yahoo gets their positional information elsewhere so...

Rocklobster
08-26-2010, 11:15 AM
If you go to the draft kit and download the adobe files for yahoo breakout players, player rankings etc they have many listed players at different positions. Makes it super confusing... example.
mueller is C/LW
brouwer lw/rw
benn lw/rw
ohsie c/rw
regin c/rw
pavelski lw and on another page has him as C/RW
nash lw
elias lw


it's a mess but makes me wonder if yahoo will be updating more frequently.
I know rotoworld made these yahoo draft kit pages but what's the point if all the players positions are different?

Skate or Die
08-26-2010, 11:42 AM
Hudler is the guy I'm planning on everyone forgetting about.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 11:49 AM
Pretty sure Yahoo gets their positional information elsewhere so...

So?...

Skate or Die
08-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Heater a LW. Damn good shot at dual. I think he just bumped up to my 1st round.

secol
08-26-2010, 12:23 PM
byfuglien is one for me....~30 pts, 100 pims from the wing isn't bad when he's ranked in the 270s

Hamsterkill
08-26-2010, 12:36 PM
byfuglien is one for me....~30 pts, 100 pims from the wing isn't bad when he's ranked in the 270s
Just keep in mind he plays for Atlanta now.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 12:57 PM
Yes will be interesting to find out how many of those points were sponged off a cup winning offensive lineup.

secol
08-26-2010, 01:04 PM
that might be true but being a more prominent part of the offense in ATL should compensate some of the sponged points

phaneuf6
08-26-2010, 01:29 PM
So?...

Soooo, if their source went through and projected lineups, etc and changed their positions around this summer, Yahoo would've made the necessary changes and that was that. Nothing you can blame them for really.

dw13
08-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Soooo, if their source went through and projected lineups, etc and changed their positions around this summer, Yahoo would've made the necessary changes and that was that. Nothing you can blame them for really.

Especially since you could of used the player search tool this offseason, and figured out everyones position.

I see nothing wrong with what Yahoo! has done thus far.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 01:42 PM
So yahoo is not responsible for their setup because the get it from a third party? I don't understand yahoo is the one that chose to do it that way no?


Especially since you could of used the player search tool this offseason, and figured out everyones position.

I see nothing wrong with what Yahoo! has done thus far.

Specifically talking about addition of positions. Set a players position and be done with it, why is it necessary from a fantasy perspective to update a player's position mid season, and then on top of that do it randomly for only select players?

dw13
08-26-2010, 01:52 PM
If they didn't update positions midseason at all, everyone would bitch.

If they update some positions midseason, everyone bitches.

People are going to bitch about positions, it happens every season.

I refuse to be one of those people. I've never had a problem with position changes.

Hamsterkill
08-26-2010, 01:52 PM
Specifically talking about addition of positions. Set a players position and be done with it, why is it necessary from a fantasy perspective to update a player's position mid season, and then on top of that do it randomly for only select players?
Well, for one, they do screw up the initial position setting sometimes, eg. Malkin being started off as a LW that one year.

dw13
08-26-2010, 01:58 PM
I was upset by the Nash thing because I drafted him when they listed LW, then like a week later they moved him to RW. But I remember saying to Zang in a PM, that I bet they give him both LW, RW. I was correct.

I think Yahoo does an alright job.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 02:08 PM
But in all those cases just hold the draft after yahoo releases the pool of players. You know what everyone has such varied opinions on this and Hockey is right around the corner, yahoo is open. Such other fun stuff to discuss. My bad for bringing it up.

dw13
08-26-2010, 02:13 PM
But in all those cases just hold the draft after yahoo releases the pool of players. You know what everyone has such varied opinions on this and Hockey is right around the corner, yahoo is open. Such other fun stuff to discuss. My bad for bringing it up.

Hold the draft after Yahoo! Hockey is released?

Most all of us do OFFLINE drafts, and that takes some time.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 02:23 PM
Then ya takes yur chances :)

madsci
08-26-2010, 02:37 PM
Anyone think of Price as a sleeper? In the mock drafts I've done, he's generally been available in the 9-12 round.

gogoayane
08-26-2010, 02:41 PM
Anyone think of Price as a sleeper? In the mock drafts I've done, he's generally been available in the 9-12 round.

assuming he'll sign this year, getting him at 9-12 would be a steal, but I wouldn't rely on him as your 1-2 goalie... more like a 2b option.

Hamsterkill
08-26-2010, 03:08 PM
Anyone think of Price as a sleeper? In the mock drafts I've done, he's generally been available in the 9-12 round.
I don't think people have much confidence in either Price as a goalie or MTL as a team for this year.

Chilly_Willy
08-26-2010, 03:10 PM
I would certainly try Price as a 2nd or 3rd goalie, I have no doubt he is going to sign and start.

$T$
08-26-2010, 04:46 PM
byfuglien is one for me....~30 pts, 100 pims from the wing isn't bad when he's ranked in the 270s

Dustin Byfuglien may end up playing defense this season for the Thrashers.
Atlanta GM Rick Dudley said there is a definite possibility especially if the team brings in more players up front prior to training camp. They are also looking forward to seeing what their top prospects can accomplish and if they have a shot at cracking the roster. Byfuglien could easily end up playing defense and forward in 2010-11 for Atlanta. Stay tuned to see where he will end up on opening night.
Source: Thrashers Blog (http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashers-blog/2010/08/26/will-bfyuglien-switch-to-defense/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_thrashers_blog)

secol
08-26-2010, 05:19 PM
faaaaaarrrkkkkkkkkkkk >.<.....though this could work to his advantage if he ends up starting at D, the forwards don't pan out and he moves back to forward after getting D eligibility

jokah03
08-26-2010, 06:14 PM
Marleau @ 36..guy had 44 goals and he shoots a bunch, won't hurt your +/-, gets PPP AND has dual eligibilty..need I say more?

Kane @ 23 - I think we have him at like 5 or 6 on HI because RW is so weak..now that the Hawks don't have all of the support around Kane, I think Kane and Toews are in for great years.

Malkin @ 7 - Guy wasn't great last year but come on..you're really going to rank Stamkos, Backstrom AND H. Sedin over Malkin? No thanks.

Semin @ 33 - I might even take him over Kane this year..he's a stud on the best offensive team in the league and while he can get injured, he proved to all of us last year his talents..plus he plays the weakest position (RW)

Rinne @ 49 (13th overall goalie) - a lot of us think he'll be a top 5-8 goalie this year..you get a great price on him.

Hossa @ 71 - He was great when he came back, and he plays RW..need I say more?

Weber @ 78 and Markov @ 99 - Both are solid D-men who will get G, A and PPP.

Downie @ 157 - 22g, 24a, +14, 208 PIM, 11 PPP - compaired to another big PF like Hartnell who plays the stronger LW and now RW, and is ranked 100 - 14g, 30a, -6, 155 PIM, 14 PPP - give me Downie I think.

Patrick Sharp @ 212 - The second straight year they have him awfully ranked..dual eligibility, shoots a bunch, solid +/-, PPP - he's a poor man's Marleau..why is he ranked 212?

alias
08-26-2010, 10:10 PM
I gotta say Yahoo is getting closer with their rankings though. There dont seem to be as many sleepers and definitely not as many guys ranked considerably higher than they should be.

Cornholio
08-29-2010, 08:59 AM
Since I didn't want to start another thread, who do you think will have a comeback year this coming season?
I was thinking of Alex Tanguay or Chris Higgins maybe...
Any other ideas or thoughts on that?

Gern Blansten
08-29-2010, 09:20 AM
^ It's Tanguay's last opportunity to prove he has relevance in the NHL. He's back with familiar folks/surroundings, so I'd agree he'll improve on last years abysmal effort. He'll more than likely be playing with Iggy, don't you think?

Raja
08-29-2010, 12:05 PM
berglund should bounce back after hitting the sophomore slump hard.

SabreTim
08-29-2010, 11:20 PM
andy mac will have a big season

chicagohockey
08-30-2010, 11:52 AM
that might be true but being a more prominent part of the offense in ATL should compensate some of the sponged points


How is going from being on the first line/ first power play with Kane / Toews for most of the season to going to the first line / first PP in Atlanta going to help him?

Maybe i misunderstood.

Cornholio
08-30-2010, 01:19 PM
What do you guys think of Tyler Ennis??

Hamsterkill
08-30-2010, 01:43 PM
What do you guys think of Tyler Ennis??
He'll likely start the year with Connolly and either Pominville or Stafford (I'd wager Pominville). Don't project him too highly since he's still going to be a Buffalo forward, but he should be good enough to be owned in a 12 teamer this year I think.

alias
08-30-2010, 03:20 PM
What do you guys think of Tyler Ennis??


this year 40-50 pts. in a few years upside of 70-80 pts

dw13
08-30-2010, 03:21 PM
What do you guys think of Tyler Ennis??


55-60 points this season.

70+ as soon as next season.

chicagohockey
08-30-2010, 04:07 PM
I have Ennis right now in a one year league that we might convert to a keeper. Seqguin is avaialbe and i am reading he is going to paly wing if he makes the Bruins.

Who do you like this year?

How long might it take Sequin to overtake Ennis if he isn't going to do ti this season?

Hamsterkill
08-30-2010, 04:16 PM
I have Ennis right now in a one year league that we might convert to a keeper. Seqguin is avaialbe and i am reading he is going to paly wing if he makes the Bruins.

Who do you like this year?

How long might it take Sequin to overtake Ennis if he isn't going to do ti this season?
I suppose that depends on where Seguin would fall in the depth chart. However, If Seguin plays consistently in the top 6, I think he could easily outpoint Ennis this year, even.

But as far as choosing for this year right now, Ennis is the safer bet since he's a virtual lock to be on the Sabres this year while I don't know if Seguin is for sure, yet.

Buckethead
08-30-2010, 05:20 PM
You guys think Ennis gets 60pts this year? Really?

$T$
08-30-2010, 05:42 PM
You guys think Ennis gets 60pts this year? Really?

Dobber has him projected for 67, I doubt he gets that high though. Maybe 60.

Hamsterkill
08-30-2010, 05:43 PM
You guys think Ennis gets 60pts this year? Really?
Well, if he keeps pace with his linemates, it's definitely a possiblity.

Raja
08-30-2010, 05:50 PM
60 would be absolutely everything going right for him. 45-50 would be my guess and even I think that's generous.

dw13
08-30-2010, 05:50 PM
65 pts in 69 games in the AHL* for a 20 year old kid is a feather in his cap.

That's playing against men.

I expect production from Ennis.

Buckethead
08-30-2010, 06:30 PM
65 pts in 69 games in the NHL for a 20 year old kid is a feather in his cap.

That's playing against men.

I expect production from Ennis.
AHL I assume you mean? :beer:

dw13
08-30-2010, 08:30 PM
AHL I assume you mean? :beer:

Indeed. Sorry

Buckethead
08-30-2010, 10:07 PM
Indeed. Sorry
But yeah, that's pretty solid.

Maybe I'll look to him in my 20 teamer.

Gambit
08-31-2010, 01:08 PM
Some good stuff in this thread, some of you have already done the research I usually do about a week before my draft. Thanks to all who have contributed, keep'em coming.

madsci
08-31-2010, 01:59 PM
What do you guys think about Zherdev and Frolov as late picks? Too risky?

gogoayane
08-31-2010, 02:04 PM
What do you guys think about Zherdev and Frolov as late picks? Too risky?

I can see managers jumping on them in mid round as 60pts + guys... i think they should have a good season this year (need to revive their career).

alias
08-31-2010, 07:58 PM
and at the opposite end of the spectrum a decent list of over-rated players

http://www.dobberhockey.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3076:not-with-a-10-foot-pole-2010&catid=41:ryan-ma&Itemid=77

Skate or Die
08-31-2010, 10:48 PM
So which guys have we determined are definitely out of position, and therefore potentially in line for dual eligibility. So far I've got the following:

Pavelski - RW (plays only C)
Heatley - LW (plays RW on that line, right?)


I'll edit this list as people come up with more.

Raja
09-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Haven't really seen anyone SoD.

As for you guys thinking Ennis is going to get 60..What do you guys expect of Eberle? Specifically dawinna..23 points in 20 AHL games means you think he'll do better?

dw13
09-01-2010, 01:40 PM
Haven't really seen anyone SoD.

As for you guys thinking Ennis is going to get 60..What do you guys expect of Eberle? Specifically dawinna..23 points in 20 AHL games means you think he'll do better?

I'm a big fan of Eberle and I'm interested to see where/with who he lines up with. If he's on the opposite wing as Hall, I think they'll find success but it'll be inconsistent.

50-55 points definitely isn't out of the question, IMO.

Chilly_Willy
09-01-2010, 02:45 PM
Has anyone brought up Bryan Little yet? With Affino out of town he is kinda there goto RW unless Byfuglien gets top line forward minutes. Evander Kane could be worth a look on the other side. Mr. yes I did knock out Matt Cooke :)

Messier
09-01-2010, 02:48 PM
What do you guys think about Kyle Turris ?
Would du you go with him or Bolland ?

Raja
09-01-2010, 02:50 PM
Little and E. Kane should both make improvements on last year and be solid late picks. I don't think much of Turris this year but I guess he could surprise.

Cornholio
09-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Has anyone brought up Bryan Little yet? With Affino out of town he is kinda there goto RW unless Byfuglien gets top line forward minutes.
I did!
One pick left for me, team 3 in sig (drafting updated).
I currently have 5 D (one short, as usual for me), think about either little or Filppula or Modano.
Maybe I go against my own strain and pick a D - that might be Joe Corvo.

What do you guys think of Corvo?
Returning to the Canes, I think he might put up around 30, 35 points...?

phaneuf6
09-01-2010, 03:42 PM
I'd go with Little of that group. Not a Corvo fan at all.

Anybody taking a flyer on JP Dumont this year? He's ranked pretty low, but should still be able to put up 55-60 points I would imagine.

saywhaaaaat
09-01-2010, 03:49 PM
So which guys have we determined are definitely out of position, and therefore potentially in line for dual eligibility. So far I've got the following:

Pavelski - RW (plays only C)
Heatley - LW (plays RW on that line, right?)


I'll edit this list as people come up with more.

Good thought, but I spent all last season waiting for Heatley to get RW eligibility, and it never happened...

Messier
09-01-2010, 04:45 PM
Please... opinions about these guys... (for this season)

D-Men:
Cam Fowler
Kevin Shattenkirk
Ryan Wilson
Luke Schenn

Forwards:
Logan Couture
Scott Glennie
Colin Wilson

....thank you! ;)
Zach Boychuk
Zach Boychu
k

dw13
09-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Lets hope Yahoo! is quick to give Eberle his winger status after the season starts.

phaneuf6
09-01-2010, 06:27 PM
Lets hope Yahoo! is quick to give Eberle his winger status after the season starts.

It's unlikely, but there's a chance that the Oilers try Eberle at center to start. He played center in junior so..

Chilly_Willy
09-01-2010, 06:56 PM
Do you think Oliver Ekman-Larsson could hit 30 pts this season?

Edit: assuming he makes the team

Raja
09-01-2010, 07:14 PM
If he makes the team and Goncharov doesn't I think 30 would be his upside this season. If Goncharov also makes it 25.

dw13
09-01-2010, 08:33 PM
It's unlikely, but there's a chance that the Oilers try Eberle at center to start. He played center in junior so..

You think Eberle is going to be playing center?

phaneuf6
09-01-2010, 09:42 PM
You think Eberle is going to be playing center?

I don't, but it's a possibility. Not likely, but he has played there before. Although, Gagner, Horcoff, Cogliano (?), down the middle would tend to suggest Eberle will be on the wing.

dw13
09-01-2010, 11:02 PM
I don't, but it's a possibility. Not likely, but he has played there before. Although, Gagner, Horcoff, Cogliano (?), down the middle would tend to suggest Eberle will be on the wing.

Well that's my point. I hope Yahoo is quick to realize.

Dubz
09-01-2010, 11:19 PM
Well that's my point. I hope Yahoo is quick to realize.

:lol:

Maybe in a year during the off season when the guy retires

Cornholio
09-02-2010, 12:31 AM
Anybody taking a flyer on JP Dumont this year? He's ranked pretty low, but should still be able to put up 55-60 points I would imagine.
I kinda have to keep him, since Huet is playing in Europe (team 1).
Hope he'll have a bounce back year.

SabreTim
09-02-2010, 01:30 PM
I know this is taking a step back,


but Tyler Ennis is legit...honestly 70+ is not out of the question. He is the best play maker I have seen in a long time...I am very optimistic about him

Chilly_Willy
09-02-2010, 03:41 PM
A lot of people were saying that about Guroix last season. A lot of peices need to fall in place for a 70+ rookiee season. But I will for sure have him on my radar on draft day.

Hamsterkill
09-02-2010, 03:56 PM
A lot of people were saying that about Guroix last season. A lot of peices need to fall in place for a 70+ rookiee season. But I will for sure have him on my radar on draft day.
I don't think that's going to happen for Ennis. He's not going to be leaned on enough for him to get that kind of production. If he can keep point pace with his line, which in an average season would put his total from 55-65, it will be a successful rookie season. He's got 70+ potential, sure, but I don't see it happening this year.

moans
09-02-2010, 04:00 PM
He'll be on that pace until he cuts down the middle with his head down and gets Phaneufed!
I think he'll be between 40 and 60 points, depending on linemates.

StrongArmSu
09-02-2010, 04:43 PM
Just opened up my yahoo league. Some notes.

Marleau C LW
Nash LW RW
Sharp C LW
Heatley LW
Zetterberg LW
Ryan LW
Pavelski RW

Skate or Die
09-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Just opened up my yahoo league. Some notes.

Marleau C LW
Nash LW RW
Sharp C LW
Heatley LW
Zetterberg LW
Ryan LW
Pavelski RWZetterberg is a C.

StrongArmSu
09-02-2010, 06:35 PM
Zetterberg is a C.

Yea...don't know why I wrote that. My bad.

dw13
09-03-2010, 09:48 AM
Heatley got RW today.

Zangetsu
09-03-2010, 09:53 AM
There were a few others, too. Elias, Mueller, and Tyler Kennedy all got LW.

Dubz
09-03-2010, 09:58 AM
Heatley got RW today.

WTF Y! consistently fucks with keeper leagues. I own him and need a RW but still dont like them randomly adding position requirements during the off season.

So to put the shoe on the other foot i was thinking (uhoh) What if we had to grant position eligibility ourselves? What a nut bashing clusterfuck of exploding mayhem that would create amongst league mates, eh.

I guess using the free service and NOT complaining about it is the way to go....even though there may be a few kinks or frustration over eligibility its alot better than trying to do it on your own etc.
:bowdown:

Zangetsu
09-03-2010, 10:09 AM
Good point, Dubz. I was thinking about how stupid it seems to give out new positions before the season has even started, but the alternative is probably worse.

Hamsterkill
09-03-2010, 10:14 AM
There were a few others, too. Elias, Mueller, and Tyler Kennedy all got LW.
Odd. He's generally always seen on the Right side.

Cornholio
09-03-2010, 11:57 AM
that sucks so bad!

madsci
09-03-2010, 12:47 PM
.even though there may be a few kinks or frustration over eligibility its alot better than trying to do it on your own etc.
:bowdown:

I caught a documentary on TSN called Silly Little Game - it's about the guys who invented Rotisserie-league Baseball and the growth of fantasy sports. Absolutely must-see for any fantasy players. Great movie, great story, fascinating history.

Until I saw it, I had no idea why it was called "Rotisserie league".

You can get it from iTunes, I believe. (It's part of an ESPN series called "30 for 30" in celebration of its 30th anniversary. I've been watching as many as I can, and they're all amazing.)

Here: http://30for30.espn.com/film/silly-little-game.html

Raja
09-03-2010, 01:24 PM
I know this is taking a step back,


but Tyler Ennis is legit...honestly 70+ is not out of the question. He is the best play maker I have seen in a long time...I am very optimistic about him

Homer much? :D

70+ next year is completely out of the question.

Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Kane

Go ahead and name some more rookies who scored more than 70 recently. Ennis looks promising yes, but he's a rookie. He's 21. He's 5'9 163lb. He plays for buffalo (no offense, but...no offense!). NOBODY scored 70 points on last year, and only Roy scored exactly 70 the year before. He isn't going to step in and immediately become their best player.


Good finds on the new dual eligibility guys. if Zang can edit my first post go ahead and stick them in there, if not I will eventually.

Skate or Die
09-03-2010, 03:00 PM
I think Heater just became the 2nd overall pick in C/LW/RW leagues.

dw13
09-03-2010, 03:46 PM
Good point, Dubz. I was thinking about how stupid it seems to give out new positions before the season has even started, but the alternative is probably worse.

That's pretty much how I feel as well.


I think Heater just became the 2nd overall pick in C/LW/RW leagues.

Yeah... no.

killer93
09-03-2010, 09:54 PM
peoples thoughts on Hudler this year? I think he will slip in a lot of drafts because of his quiet return to Motown.

also, Andy Greene in New Jersey might be a nice late dman pick as the guy setting up Kovalchuk on the pp

SabreTim
09-03-2010, 11:19 PM
No question 70+ is a bold call, but that is exactly why i speak up and make it right now...and i basically do this to point out to you that he IS the best player on the ice for the Sabres...

Am I going out on a limb? Yes. But not one person here needs anyone to tell them Getz is good or Heatley is someone you should draft.

Its all about the sleepers and about insider knowledge...I simply am saying, that as a hockey/Sabre addict, Ennis passes the eye test, don't sleep on him...

killer93
09-03-2010, 11:32 PM
I like bold predictions and all, but it's too soon for 70+ imo. Reeks of homerism. flat out wrong projection imo. would love to be proven wrong. won't happen. 70 plus points in todays NHL is actually pretty darn tough to do, especially with some fairly good depth in Buffalo.

Hamsterkill
09-04-2010, 02:13 AM
No question 70+ is a bold call, but that is exactly why i speak up and make it right now...and i basically do this to point out to you that he IS the best player on the ice for the Sabres...

Am I going out on a limb? Yes. But not one person here needs anyone to tell them Getz is good or Heatley is someone you should draft.

Its all about the sleepers and about insider knowledge...I simply am saying, that as a hockey/Sabre addict, Ennis passes the eye test, don't sleep on him...
Perhaps in the future. Not this year. Unless he improved over the summer a lot more than is normal.

Raja
09-04-2010, 08:53 AM
No question 70+ is a bold call, but that is exactly why i speak up and make it right now...and i basically do this to point out to you that he IS the best player on the ice for the Sabres...

Am I going out on a limb? Yes. But not one person here needs anyone to tell them Getz is good or Heatley is someone you should draft.

Its all about the sleepers and about insider knowledge...I simply am saying, that as a hockey/Sabre addict, Ennis passes the eye test, don't sleep on him...

Bold calls are great, I'm not trying to discredit you by any means...just bring you back to earth. It isn't very often rookies become the best players on their team. Look at the list I said before, and those are pretty much the only examples, and those teams were garbage.

I do agree he's a sleeper, absolutely, but he isn't going to step in and become a top 30 player in the league. Last year 70+ would have been top 15. 50 points is already a reasonably bold prediction. 2 rookies had 50 last season and 3rd place was 29 points. the year before NOBODY got 50.

There's a certain point between bold predictions and bias/homerism. Go ask some sens fans how many points Karlsson is going to get. Ask Montreal fans how many points Subban is going to get. Edmonton fans about Eberle/Hall Torono fans how many points any player is going to get! They'll almost always predict far more points than the average fan because they want their team to do well. I don't remember who, but last year after Carter scored 46 goals someone here said he was going to score 50 this year and 55+ consistently for years in his prime. It just isn't going to happen.

Dubz
09-04-2010, 09:04 AM
There's a certain point between bold predictions and bias/homerism. Go ask Torono fans how many points any player is going to get!

30 goals for Kessel:cool:

Raja
09-04-2010, 09:09 AM
30 goals for Kessel:cool:

A conservative leafs fan?! Cmon, deep down you think hes getting 55 and Bozak is setting up every single one :lol:

phaneuf6
09-04-2010, 09:20 AM
Let's not forget that Ennis isn't a true rookie. He played a handful of games last year in the regular season AND in the playoffs. That's huge. I would say 65 points isn't an outrageous prediction at all.

(Disclaimer: I own Ennis in a keeper league. :lol:)

killer93
09-04-2010, 09:49 PM
A conservative leafs fan?! Cmon, deep down you think hes getting 55 and Bozak is setting up every single one :lol:

actually most leaf fans are pessimists.

however, if Kessel plays 82 games this season he should score 35-40.

Raja
09-04-2010, 10:20 PM
actually most leaf fans are pessimists.

however, if Kessel plays 82 games this season he should score 35-40.


Haha, I was just messing around but I do know plenty of of Leaf fans who think their players are all awesome and the Kessel trade was great for you guys.

I do agree though heh, if he plays 82 games, low 40's wouldn't surprise me at all.

secol
09-05-2010, 05:04 PM
The signing of Ray Whitney allows for Wojtek Wolski to move to center.
Hopefully Wolski will see enough ice-time at wing to remain dual-eligible in fantasy. The signing of Ray Whitney allows for a very powerful first line in Phoenix. As of now the line is Whitney-Wolski-Shane Doan.

so add wolski since he could also get C eligibility. and a definite sleeper for those in FW leagues

Cornholio
09-06-2010, 11:45 AM
Does anyone think, Khabibulin or DiPietro might see some ice-time this year?
They might be late round steals, if they play...

secol
09-06-2010, 11:46 AM
dipietro more so than khabi imo

Gambit
09-06-2010, 11:57 AM
Don't bother with either unless you're league deploys huge rosters.

Zangetsu
09-06-2010, 12:48 PM
Yahoo mixed up Matt Carle and Mathieu Carle again this year. I'm not too high on Carle, but in deep leagues he might slip under the radar at 352.

Cornholio
09-06-2010, 12:56 PM
i was wondering why they ranked mathieu so high this year :D

phaneuf6
09-16-2010, 07:57 PM
FYI from Rotoworld.



Head coach John Tortorella says that Alexander Frolov will play alongside Marian Gaborik during the preseason.
"Frolov will play with Gaborik," Tortorella said. "I'm going to give him an opportunity there, see if we can get his confidence back, and he will start with Gaborik as we get the exhibition season going, and we’ll see where it goes from there. … I'm anxious to see whether we can get some chemistry between those guys." Well, Frolov owners can't ask for anything more than this chance. Should Frolov stay on the top line this season look for a 65-70 point campaign from the Russian.

secol
09-16-2010, 08:28 PM
sucks he's ranked fairly high......ranked under him i'd take wolski/clowe over him

killer93
09-16-2010, 09:39 PM
that won't last. I'm not buy into him staying with Gabby as a reason to draft him. Wingers will shift around. More importantly is who will centre Gabby?

Prospal or Dubi, probably Prospal again and in a contract year I think he will buck the every other year trend he is famous for and has a fairly good year. he should be a nice sleeper while the rest grab for Frolov and see him shift around.

Habber82
09-16-2010, 10:21 PM
he should be a nice sleeper while the rest grab for Frolov and see him shift around.

....., while Prospal also shifts around from L1 to L2 to L3.... There are no guarantees.

killer93
09-16-2010, 11:38 PM
Prospal stayed with Gabby for most of the season last year.

StrongArmSu
09-17-2010, 07:21 AM
Byfuglien got D eligibility today

Yahoo added a bunch of prospects as well.

Chilly_Willy
09-17-2010, 10:53 PM
There was a rotoworld blurb that Dubinski may play wing this year, Yahoo usually has him as C

- Tortorella said consistency will also be an issue with Brandon Dubinsky. But with Dubinsky, it’s more about not getting too high after a few good games in a row, or too low after a bad game or two. Tortorella said he still believes left wing is Dubinsky’s best position, though he wouldn’t completely rule out using him as a center.
“It’s his best position because it forces him to play the game he needs to play,” Tortorella said, meaning a strong, north-south game. “Sometimes, he doesn’t want to play that game when he’s in the middle of the ice.”

Buckethead
09-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Yahoo added a bunch of prospects as well.
Still no Nino Niederreiter..

toronto1979
09-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Byfuglien got D eligibility today.

Too bad he's actually playing defence though :( would be sweet if he were a top 6 forward with D eligibility.

secol
09-17-2010, 11:56 PM
Too bad he's actually playing defence though :( would be sweet if he were a top 6 forward with D eligibility.
if that was the case they would've never added the d anyways ;)

$T$
09-18-2010, 12:22 PM
Too bad he's actually playing defence though :( would be sweet if he were a top 6 forward with D eligibility.

He`s starting the year on D... might be moved back to a forward position later on in the year. Great thing about Yahoo is once they give a player position elig. they won`t take it away for the rest of the season.

Zangetsu
09-18-2010, 01:39 PM
It`s spreading. We`re all doomed.

SAVE THE APOSTROPHE!!!

secol
09-18-2010, 01:41 PM
It`s spreading. We`re all doomed.

SAVE THE APOSTROPHE!!!
:lol:......maybe his ' is busted too, but we don`t know do we

Buckethead
09-18-2010, 04:08 PM
The Anaheim Ducks will try out Bobby Ryan as the team's second line center in training camp.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39243883/ns/sports-player_news/

Cornholio
09-19-2010, 07:04 AM
Scott Parse has LW/RW, for those of you who play deeper leagues
plus Jon Kalinski (Flyers) has C/LW

toronto1979
09-19-2010, 09:38 AM
The Anaheim Ducks will try out Bobby Ryan as the team's second line center in training camp.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39243883/ns/sports-player_news/
I watched the kid play in the OHL and even back then he couldn't take draws.
There's no way he takes he's in the faceoff circle once the puck drops for real.

Chilly_Willy
09-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Dustin was played as D in Chicago initially then they moved him to RW. It was a nice season for him because he was a D playing RW with some of the most talent forwards in the league. but he still never put up great numbers

Burns had a stint a few seasons ago where they moved him up to wing as well.

One season Fedorov played D about 3/4 of the season I think he had 70 or 80 pts that season.

Its been known to happen, personally I think Dustin is a bit overrated, his skill is that he has a huge body and sometimes pucks bounce off him into the net. Even as a full time line 1 PP RW in Atlanta he may not put up the same points as an average D. This is a guy who has only managed a 36 point career high playing a key role on a stanley cup winning super offense. 211 shots and only 17 goals last season, he is not exactly a sniper. Career high 17 assists, he is not exactly a playmaker.

toronto1979
09-19-2010, 10:44 AM
I think Dustin is a bit overrated, his skill is that he has a huge body and sometimes pucks bounce off him into the net. Even as a full time line 1 PP RW in Atlanta he may not put up the same points as an average D. This is a guy who has only managed a 36 point career high playing a key role on a stanley cup winning super offense. 211 shots and only 17 goals last season, he is not exactly a sniper. Career high 17 assists, he is not exactly a playmaker.
31 points and 81 PIMs for a D is awesome
34 points and 94 PIMs for a F is underwhelming

Keep in mind he tallied those points WHILE playing forward both seasons. So I don't have much hope for him playing as a D in Atlanta. But if he moves back up to forward and can put up similar numbers I'll be scooping him up. But actually playing as a D, I'd expect his point total to be cut in half, rendering him useless in most leagues.

two24four
09-19-2010, 10:55 AM
Dustin was played as D in Chicago initially then they moved him to RW. It was a nice season for him because he was a D playing RW with some of the most talent forwards in the league. but he still never put up great numbers

Burns had a stint a few seasons ago where they moved him up to wing as well.

One season Fedorov played D about 3/4 of the season I think he had 70 or 80 pts that season.

Its been known to happen, personally I think Dustin is a bit overrated, his skill is that he has a huge body and sometimes pucks bounce off him into the net. Even as a full time line 1 PP RW in Atlanta he may not put up the same points as an average D. This is a guy who has only managed a 36 point career high playing a key role on a stanley cup winning super offense. 211 shots and only 17 goals last season, he is not exactly a sniper. Career high 17 assists, he is not exactly a playmaker.

Burns was drafted as a forward, he played forward in the OHL for Brampton, also at the World Jr's for Canada, he was moved back to defence once he got to the NHL.

secol
09-19-2010, 10:59 AM
i think burns initially started as a forward in the NHL but was moved to D

bearcats
09-19-2010, 12:03 PM
10 teamer mock drafts:

wolski is going unnoticed...got him in the 11th round
visnovski in the 10 th round
kopitar in round 7
j carter in round 6

corey perry is dropping ridiculously down into rounds 3 and 4

secol
09-19-2010, 12:08 PM
yeah wolski is sleeper of the year in terms of yahoo draft :D

toronto1979
09-19-2010, 03:51 PM
10 teamer mock drafts:

wolski is going unnoticed...got him in the 11th round
visnovski in the 10 th round
kopitar in round 7
j carter in round 6

corey perry is dropping ridiculously down into rounds 3 and 4
Perfect thanks!!! I haven't tried any mocks yet. Good to know how far some of those guys are falling. My real drafts start in a week (as do most people's I assume).

StrongArmSu
09-20-2010, 07:16 AM
Kovalchuk - LW/RW

Dexter
09-20-2010, 07:39 AM
Kovalchuk - LW/RW

Wow, that's ridiculous. Has he ever played there? I know NJ announced that they were trying him out there, but dual eligibility?

bearcats
09-20-2010, 08:15 AM
he played there in training camp yesterday!:\

wow that makes him extremely valuable...I should hope that they follow suit with a few duel elig...from my draft last night like

andy mac & wolski they should get c/lw....

I wonder whom yahoo is outsourcing position elig...to this year.....????

StrongArmSu
09-20-2010, 08:20 AM
Malkin Malkin Malkin!

If they gave it to Kovy, he is bound to get it next.

Hamsterkill
09-20-2010, 09:06 AM
Malkin Malkin Malkin!

If they gave it to Kovy, he is bound to get it next.
I don't think Malkin is starting the year on wing, since Staal is out.

bearcats
09-20-2010, 09:10 AM
I don't think Malkin is starting the year on wing, since Staal is out.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10263/1088839-61.stm

actually malkin may be starting on sids wing....

Hamsterkill
09-20-2010, 09:12 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10263/1088839-61.stm

actually malkin may be starting on sids wing....
See my comment in the Lines thread.

EDIT: At the very least I would not be expecting that to happen until Staal returns, and even then probably not until Malkin's been tried on Staal's line first.

StrongArmSu
09-20-2010, 09:46 AM
See my comment in the Lines thread.

EDIT: At the very least I would not be expecting that to happen until Staal returns, and even then probably not until Malkin's been tried on Staal's line first.

Malkin actually started training camp on the wing with Comrie and Tangradi yesterday.

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=538015

gogoayane
09-20-2010, 09:48 AM
This is ridiculous... they were just trying out Kovy on the right and he gets a RW?!?

but then to me... LW getting RW isn't as valuable as RW getting the LW... but still... the lack of consistency shocks me...

Hamsterkill
09-20-2010, 10:15 AM
Malkin actually started training camp on the wing with Comrie and Tangradi yesterday.

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=538015
Interesting... I had thought they had Comrie on the wing on that line...My mistake.

gogoayane
09-20-2010, 10:22 AM
I just hope that they don't keep giving out dual eligibility that easily:

From what I read so far:
Brian Little will try playing C (C, RW)
Rich Peveley will try playing RW (C, RW)
Bobby Ryan will try playing C (C, RW)

alias
09-20-2010, 12:05 PM
Christ, they go from being stingy handing out dual eligibility (guy plays for weeks on RW doesnt get eligibility) to handing them out like hot cakes (played RW in camp gets dual)

looch17
09-20-2010, 12:10 PM
I agree alias. Doesn't make much sense. Oh well what can you do?

Cornholio
09-20-2010, 12:18 PM
still sucks!
i mean, if everybody would get dual eligibility, who plays on another position like at least 10 games or so, no problem, but handing them out, just because the coach tries something at training camp?
hell, come on!!

secol
09-20-2010, 12:19 PM
nobody was complaining when byfuglien got D :P

Ginu09
09-20-2010, 01:45 PM
Is Filppula a sleeper this year? He's Detroit's second line center, centering Franzen and Bertuzzi. Modano, Hudler and Cleary make up the 3rd line.

Cornholio
09-20-2010, 03:08 PM
he's kind of an obvious sleeper IMO.
and i wouldn't be surprised if hudler will be in the top 6 until december, and bert might be down to the 3rd, which isn't too bad, having modano and cleary as his linemates...

Raja
09-20-2010, 03:11 PM
Add Stepan to the list in deep leagues/keepers, he's centering Frolov/Gabby at camp, Drury is injured, he'll at least get 9 games and likely force the staff to keep him in the line up.

chicagohockey
09-20-2010, 03:12 PM
I got Lidstrom in the 4th becuase yahoo's yankings are so bad. I might consider that a sleeper. Leighton is pretty far down there to and should be fine behind the Philly defense.

gogoayane
09-20-2010, 03:24 PM
he's kind of an obvious sleeper IMO.
and i wouldn't be surprised if hudler will be in the top 6 until december, and bert might be down to the 3rd, which isn't too bad, having modano and cleary as his linemates...

I think Hudler will be in top 6 around that time too... all it takes is an injury or cold streak to Bertuzzi / Franzen / Holmstrom

I think he's starting on 3rd line to ease him back to the NHL after a year... then once he's comfortable again he'll be on top 2 line.

nyrblue2
09-20-2010, 03:48 PM
Add Stepan to the list in deep leagues/keepers, he's centering Frolov/Gabby at camp, Drury is injured, he'll at least get 9 games and likely force the staff to keep him in the line up.
Definitely something to keep an eye on, especially considering Dury's injury. However, Stepan was with them yesterday, while Christensen was between them today, so it's certainly too early to tell. That being said, the lines was more successful yesterday while Stepan was in there.

doofdoof
09-20-2010, 04:33 PM
still sucks!
i mean, if everybody would get dual eligibility, who plays on another position like at least 10 games or so, no problem, but handing them out, just because the coach tries something at training camp?
hell, come on!!

Looks like they have gone from completely sporadic and illogical to handing out dual eligibilities every time there is a whisper. May have hundreds of duals this year

madsci
09-20-2010, 06:34 PM
May have hundreds of duals this year

That would at least reduce some of the premium placed on it.

Skate or Die
09-20-2010, 06:40 PM
Well I'm sure glad we haven't drafted yet. This changes everything.

Raja
09-20-2010, 06:58 PM
Really hoping for Datsyuk LW!

madsci
09-20-2010, 07:03 PM
Come on Ovechkin LW/D!!!

boredguy
09-20-2010, 08:33 PM
I've defended Yahoo about this stuff before but Kovalchuk getting RW is just absolutely retarded.

looch17
09-20-2010, 08:49 PM
Come on Ovechkin LW/D!!!:lol: At this point nothing would surprise me.

secol
09-20-2010, 11:47 PM
haha i remember when fedorov was D......auto win!!

snoopzen
09-21-2010, 12:51 AM
http://static.someecards.com/someecards/filestorage/shocked-offended-completely-free-workplace-ecard-someecards.jpg

StrongArmSu
09-21-2010, 07:23 AM
Pavelski - C/RW
Piere-Luc Letourneau-Leblond - RW/LW

looch17
09-21-2010, 07:43 AM
haha i remember when fedorov was D......auto win!!I remember that too because I owned him.;)

Cornholio
09-21-2010, 02:06 PM
Datsyuk could get wing eligibility, since Hank always takes the first faceoffs when they are playing together...

secol
09-21-2010, 04:18 PM
hell why not give both of them LW :D

Skate or Die
09-21-2010, 04:44 PM
Damn. Was hoping they wouldn't give it to Pavelski until after my draft. There goes my mid-round sleeper.

secol
09-21-2010, 05:26 PM
they just added C didn't they? his value probably didn't jump much since RW more valuable

chgorman
09-21-2010, 05:36 PM
they just added C didn't they? his value probably didn't jump much since RW more valuable

But dual is much more valuable than single regardless if it was just C that was added

secol
09-21-2010, 07:03 PM
i know that's why i said not that much of a jump

Hamsterkill
09-21-2010, 09:40 PM
But dual is much more valuable than single regardless if it was just C that was added


i know that's why i said not that much of a jump
I don't follow how what chgor said supports what you said, secol.

bearcats
09-21-2010, 09:50 PM
I don't follow how what chgor said supports what you said, secol.

he is just saying that little joe at c/rw is slightly more attractive to draft than little joe @ rw without the c........having said that secol is saying that yes it is slightly better.... but the real plus usually comes from a C that gets RW added.....which is actually what happened(it just happened in reverse) cause little joe is a C.......whomever listed him as a RW at the beginning of this season is on glue and should be canned.......

hope that helps........:lol::lol::eek::eek::lol:man this season is going to be cukkoo for position eligability......I cant wait to send yahoo an email in a few days to see what the response will be this year......

secol
09-21-2010, 10:01 PM
yeah lol.....adding c = not as much jump in value as adding rw

Hamsterkill
09-21-2010, 10:11 PM
Right I got what secol was saying, it's just that he seems to be reading chgor's post in a way that backs up what he said... which it doesn't, really, the way I read it.

chgor is saying that a forward getting a dual eligibility is a big jump in value even if it's C that's added; secol said it's only a small increase in value. They seem opposing statements to me, rather than one backing the other up.

Skate or Die
09-21-2010, 11:12 PM
yeah lol.....adding c = not as much jump in value as adding rwI think it's a pretty big jump in value actually. But not from an asset rarity standpoint. The added value comes in the form of games played every week. Let's say the dual give you one more game played each week. That could be something like an average of 0.2G, 0.2A, 0.5PIM, 2SOG, etc. every week...enough to win you a couple more cats. Definitely a big value jump.

i.e. him getting dual unlocks other guys' values.

secol
09-21-2010, 11:29 PM
true....but to be honest pavelski shouldn't even have RW in the first place? center last year i believe and will be center again this year

toronto1979
09-22-2010, 01:17 AM
I get what Skate or Die is saying, the dual just draws attention to him, even if it doesn't add a lot of value.

StrongArmSu
09-22-2010, 06:03 AM
I get what toronto1979 is saying, he understands what Skate or Die was saying in response to secol's post.

toronto1979
09-22-2010, 10:38 AM
I get what toronto1979 is saying, he understands what Skate or Die was saying in response to secol's post.
Thank you for your support. :lol:

secol
09-22-2010, 10:48 AM
i get what everybody is saying :P.......i hereby concede and raise the white flag http://www.financeglobe.com/SocialNet/forum/images/smilies/smiley-white-flag.gif

Cornholio
09-22-2010, 11:07 AM
true....but to be honest pavelski shouldn't even have RW in the first place? center last year i believe and will be center again this year
Plus Pavelski isn't much of a sleeper, after the huge post season he put up...

Skate or Die
09-22-2010, 11:13 AM
What the hell was Yahoo doing giving him RW anyways? That made absolutely no sense...less than Kovy getting RW.

iknowkungfu
09-29-2010, 05:03 PM
where is zetterberg's LW already?

Gern Blansten
09-29-2010, 05:05 PM
where is zetterberg's lw already?

YEAH!


lol

secol
09-29-2010, 08:26 PM
actually i believe he is playing C on that line :/

Skate or Die
09-29-2010, 08:44 PM
Ya, more like where is Datsyuk's.

chgorman
09-29-2010, 08:59 PM
When does Yahoo usually start assigning IR status?

dw13
09-29-2010, 09:00 PM
When does Yahoo usually start assigning IR status?

When teams put players on IR

Raja
09-29-2010, 09:00 PM
at the start of the season when teams put people on IR.

Datsyuk has a better chance of getting LW for now I think, and I'm hoping he does.

Chunk
09-30-2010, 03:15 AM
Bobby Ryan just got his C

chgorman
09-30-2010, 08:22 AM
When teams put players on IR

Well, yeah, I figured that. I guess my question should have been 'when do teams start putting players on IR'. My bad.


at the start of the season when teams put people on IR.

Thanks Raja. So sometime in the next week or so then?

Chilly_Willy
09-30-2010, 09:10 AM
It depends, some teams delay or even do not put injured players on IR at all, one of the reasons I wish yahoo would manage a fantasy specific IR status. But hey its free and fun, can't have it all.

Bottom line don't draft players and bank on them going to IR.

Boogaard
09-30-2010, 01:15 PM
Bobby Ryan just got his C

Is he supposed to be the 2nd line C? What's happening with Saku Koivu, then? Also, who's the LW on the top line with Getzlaf and Perry?

keys2aFranchise
09-30-2010, 07:46 PM
Also, who's the LW on the top line with Getzlaf and Perry?

Beleskey

iknowkungfu
10-03-2010, 12:55 PM
this is getting absurd, still waiting on LW for ZB, want the space to to move one of my depth guys

StrongArmSu
10-03-2010, 12:59 PM
this is getting absurd, still waiting on LW for ZB, want the space to to move one of my depth guys

Zetterberg isn't playing LW....Datsyuk is.

iknowkungfu
10-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Zetterberg isn't playing LW....Datsyuk is.

wtf really? the entire pre-season everyone was talking about him moving back to the wing, i guess i need to look to move him, i didn't want to take C in the 5th round of my draft

StrongArmSu
10-03-2010, 01:02 PM
Actually, now that i look it up, 65+% of the time, Datsyuk has been playing LW, Zetterberg RW and Holmstrom has been taking the draws. Interesting.

boredguy
10-03-2010, 01:03 PM
Waiting on Yahoo to give someone new position eligibility is a fool's game.

hex27
10-03-2010, 01:07 PM
Christ, they go from being stingy handing out dual eligibility (guy plays for weeks on RW doesnt get eligibility) to handing them out like hot cakes (played RW in camp gets dual)

agree. and i still don't know why Briere is only listed as RW when he played the entire playoffs last year and this pre-season as a center. why he isn't C/RW already is ridiculous.

iknowkungfu
10-03-2010, 01:10 PM
agree. and i still don't know why Briere is only listed as RW when he played the entire playoffs last year and this pre-season as a center. why he isn't C/RW already is ridiculous.

IE bobby ryan getting C and now pushed back to LW

hex27
10-03-2010, 01:40 PM
Bobby Ryan just got his C

question about Ryan, in past years i recall him being LW/RW. so i wonder if there's any chance then that he'll get C/LW/RW and have triple eligibility? it's rare, but i have seen it before.

hex27
10-03-2010, 01:40 PM
IE bobby ryan getting C and now pushed back to LW

yep. and hopefully RW too at some point. :D

Skate or Die
10-03-2010, 11:55 PM
question about Ryan, in past years i recall him being LW/RW. so i wonder if there's any chance then that he'll get C/LW/RW and have triple eligibility? it's rare, but i have seen it before.
But he started out as RW last year...

doofdoof
10-04-2010, 12:20 AM
question about Ryan, in past years i recall him being LW/RW. so i wonder if there's any chance then that he'll get C/LW/RW and have triple eligibility? it's rare, but i have seen it before.

PM Bouchard gets it most years :eek:

toronto1979
10-04-2010, 12:35 AM
PM Bouchard gets it most years :eek:
Flash had it last year...

... probably to make up for PM because he was on the IR all season :-P

dw13
10-04-2010, 12:45 AM
Flash had it last year...

... probably to make up for PM because he was on the IR all season :-P

Flash didn't have it last year.

chgorman
10-04-2010, 09:36 AM
It depends, some teams delay or even do not put injured players on IR at all, one of the reasons I wish yahoo would manage a fantasy specific IR status. But hey its free and fun, can't have it all.

Bottom line don't draft players and bank on them going to IR.

I didn't. One of my keepers that I carried over from last yr is likely going on IR and I know who I want to pick up once I put him on IR, but I can't because the guy hasn't been put on IR yet.

kiddz7
10-04-2010, 08:13 PM
question about Ryan, in past years i recall him being LW/RW. so i wonder if there's any chance then that he'll get C/LW/RW and have triple eligibility? it's rare, but i have seen it before.

i remember rolston get it a few years back

Chilly_Willy
10-04-2010, 08:55 PM
I didn't. One of my keepers that I carried over from last yr is likely going on IR and I know who I want to pick up once I put him on IR, but I can't because the guy hasn't been put on IR yet.

LOL my statement was just in general, not necessarily directed at you :beer:

Dexter
10-05-2010, 11:38 AM
McDonald and Comrie are now C, LW

gogoayane
10-05-2010, 11:43 AM
Andy McDonald (C/LW)
Mike Comire (C/LW)
Josh Bailey (C/LW)

Cornholio
10-05-2010, 02:32 PM
Actually, now that i look it up, 65+% of the time, Datsyuk has been playing LW, Zetterberg RW and Holmstrom has been taking the draws. Interesting.
last year, every time Z and Dats played on the same line, Z took the first faceoff!

StrongArmSu
10-05-2010, 03:38 PM
last year, every time Z and Dats played on the same line, Z took the first faceoff!

The stat I pulled up was for this pre season only.

Cornholio
10-05-2010, 03:43 PM
I know, I just wanted to support you "against" the user iknowkungfu ;)

gogoayane
10-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Funny how Comire gets the C, but Malkin didn't get the LW

but Ryan gets a C for trying out the position (eventually went back to LW)

Just throwing it out there... :)

Hamsterkill
10-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Funny how Comire gets the C, but Malkin didn't get the LW

but Ryan gets a C for trying out the position (eventually went back to LW)

Just throwing it out there... :)
Malkin was playing RW this preseason, not LW, as far as I'm aware.

jjhckey30
10-05-2010, 04:34 PM
In the past yahoo has been ripped for not making these changes so fast and finally this year they are makin changes and still getting torn apart.... They just can't do anything right :)

flavour
10-05-2010, 05:57 PM
they not doing anything right until they make datsyuk a lw... after that they're gold

doofdoof
10-05-2010, 06:03 PM
Actually, now that i look it up, 65+% of the time, Datsyuk has been playing LW, Zetterberg RW and Holmstrom has been taking the draws. Interesting.

Where do you see the positional breakdowns?

chgorman
10-05-2010, 09:21 PM
In the past yahoo has been ripped for not making these changes so fast and finally this year they are makin changes and still getting torn apart.... They just can't do anything right :)

The problem is the lack of consistency. If Bobby Ryan gets C eligibility after trying it out for a game in preseason, then every player who plays out of position for more than a few shifts in preseason game should get that new eligibility, but that's not what happens. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have been playing together all preseason... they both can't be playing C at the same time, one must be on one of the wings while the other is lining up at center, yet neither has been given a new eligibility yet. and that's just one example. there are tons more.

If there was some kind of consistency to how they dole out eligibilities then it wouldn't be an issue, but there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why or how or when they assign additional eligibilities to some guys but not others, which is where the frustration comes from.

chgorman
10-05-2010, 09:27 PM
Actually, now that i look it up, 65+% of the time, Datsyuk has been playing LW, Zetterberg RW and Holmstrom has been taking the draws. Interesting.

I'm curious as to where you're getting that info from, 'cuz that makes no sense... there's no reason for Holmstrom to be playing C and taking faceoffs when the wings have at least 8 natural centers on the roster right now, and Homer isn't one of them. Do you have a link to the webpage that you're getting this info from?

StrongArmSu
10-06-2010, 11:15 AM
Where do you see the positional breakdowns?


I'm curious as to where you're getting that info from, 'cuz that makes no sense... there's no reason for Holmstrom to be playing C and taking faceoffs when the wings have at least 8 natural centers on the roster right now, and Homer isn't one of them. Do you have a link to the webpage that you're getting this info from?

Dobber Hockey's Frozen Pool.

They break down line combo's by the shift. Pretty cool tool.


Like I said, I was pretty surprised to see that stat too.

49.01% EV 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 96 HOLMSTROM,TOMAS - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
14.8% PP 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 96 HOLMSTROM,TOMAS - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
7.89% EV 11 CLEARY,DANIEL - 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
5.59% EV 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
3.29% PP 11 CLEARY,DANIEL - 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK

StrongArmSu
10-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Looking into it a bit more, it looks like the players listed don't necessarily mean thats where they were lining up. Just means that's who they were playing with.

When I looked up Crosby's line combos' he was always listed on LW...and well im pretty sure that's not right.

So i guess my bad...

nyrblue2
10-06-2010, 11:21 AM
Dobber Hockey's Frozen Pool.

They break down line combo's by the shift. Pretty cool tool.


Like I said, I was pretty surprised to see that stat too.

49.01% EV 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 96 HOLMSTROM,TOMAS - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
14.8% PP 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 96 HOLMSTROM,TOMAS - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
7.89% EV 11 CLEARY,DANIEL - 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
5.59% EV 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
3.29% PP 11 CLEARY,DANIEL - 13 DATSYUK,PAVEL - 40 ZETTERBERG,HENRIK
On Frozen Pool just lists the players alphabetically, not by position.

doofdoof
10-06-2010, 03:36 PM
Duchene will start the season on the wing, according to the Denver Post.

Recommendation: It was announced on Tuesday that David Jones will center the team's second line, the spot Duchene occupied last season. Assuming this new arrangement sticks, we don't think a move to the wing will have a long-term impact on Duchene's fantasy value. However, it might take him a few games to get adjusted. Don't panic if he starts the season slowly - he's a rising star in the NHL and will get his points no matter what forward position he plays.
(Rotowire.com)

Duchene on the wing

Hamsterkill
10-06-2010, 03:53 PM
Duchene on the wing
Hm... I wonder if they'll try him O'Reilly if that doesn't work...

Cornholio
10-07-2010, 02:02 PM
RW Jones plays C, C Duchene plays Wing... WTF?!?

Chilly_Willy
10-07-2010, 03:28 PM
In the past yahoo has been ripped for not making these changes so fast and finally this year they are makin changes and still getting torn apart.... They just can't do anything right :)

Yahoo has failed on both approaches because the system, either way, is totally illogical and inconsistent. The system is still flawed now its just the reveres instead of never handing it out they hand it out left and right. A news release that someone may try out the wing during the preseason and then boom C\LW, come on:rolleyes:. Release a criteria for how they make the decision to add a position and follow it or don't do it at all. Still its a free service so no big deal but you can't fault people for complaining about something that dishes out advantages to teams randomly even if it is a free service.
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