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1158
04-04-2009, 02:25 PM
During a commercial break between the Rangers/Bruins he skates up behind Thomas, who is stretching about halfway up the defensive zone, and hits him in the back of the head with his stick blade. It wasn't a terribly hard hit, but still... Get this asshat out of the league. I'm all for hitting and fighting and shit, but that is beer league. Hell that's not even beer league...

alias
04-04-2009, 02:27 PM
I'll trade him to ya in the offseason ;)

1158
04-04-2009, 02:31 PM
This game is getting chippy now. Chara just laid out Avery.

Keep Avery, I'm banning him from our league :D

looch17
04-04-2009, 02:51 PM
I saw him do that and it was a 'douche' move for sure. I wish Thomas would have hit Avery in the face with his blocker and not Sjostrom. Either way the Bruins locked up first place, but it still would have been nice to see Avery get his.

Motorcat
04-04-2009, 02:59 PM
Looks like Thomas took the bait and got a 2 minute penalty.

I'm not condoning it - just saying.

1158
04-04-2009, 03:06 PM
Avery got 2 as well. His ass shoulda been escorted out of the rink. I would think the league is going to take some action on this...though you never know with Bettman. They'll ban fighting but let a shit like Avery do shit like this. I know it's unlikely, but what if something fluky had happened and Thomas gets hurt. Pretty stupid...

Motorcat
04-04-2009, 03:18 PM
The other night in Raleigh - play had stopped ..... and Avery was grasping and clutching on Ward trying to pull him down to the ice.

It basically was ignored by the officiating crew.

I'm not sure what the answer is ......... from the top of the NHL to the players he is just allowed to continue with his behavior.

1158
04-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Simple answer is get rid of 2 min for instigating. Then you'll have the real enforcers taking care of the problem.

Kaboominator
04-04-2009, 03:35 PM
Looks like Thomas took the bait and got a 2 minute penalty.

I'm not condoning it - just saying.

Man, If Thomas can take a 2 min penalty and get a free shot at Avery with his blocker on i'm all for it. I am actually happy he charged him and challenged him. You don't fuck with the goalie. any goalie. The ol blocker shot to the face of Sjostrom must have felt good....lol

boredguy
04-04-2009, 03:46 PM
i agree with kicking him outta the league. If he's still doing shit like this he obviously hasn't learned anything and doesn't deserve to be in the NHL.

Dubz
04-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Yes...very obvious statement (title) Its only a matter of time.

boredguy
04-04-2009, 03:59 PM
Here's the Youtube video of it:

YouTube - tim thomas FIGHTS sean avery

While it wasn't hard and not dangerous, shit like that just shouldn't be allowed in the league, especially from jackasses like him.

phaneuf6
04-04-2009, 05:32 PM
Another one: YouTube - Sean Avery Hits Tim Thomas In The Back Of The Head With His Stick On Purpose

nyihater4life
04-04-2009, 09:53 PM
To defend Avery, Thomas shouldnt of been out of his crease. I blame Thomas for that. he was askin for it being that far away from the net.


In terms of Avery beinga dick. get over it people.

MrScientist
04-04-2009, 10:01 PM
There's seriously an uproar over this? Put your vaginas away, it's called being a pest. From the comments above you would expect to see Avery playing T-Ball with Thomas' head.

If Tootoo does this, it doesn't get talked about. Y'all are making it a story.

nyihater4life
04-04-2009, 10:08 PM
Pronger is FAR worse then Avery will ever be. At least he isnt injurin people on purpose(like Pronger). its called instigating, that is Averys role.


you kno who else is far worse then Avery? Simon. Whackin people in the face? Come on now. At least Avery isnt like REAL douches

boredguy
04-04-2009, 10:31 PM
To defend Avery, Thomas shouldnt of been out of his crease. I blame Thomas for that. he was askin for it being that far away from the net.


In terms of Avery beinga dick. get over it people.


You blame Thomas? lol, now there's some homerism.

And yes this is a much bigger story because it's Avery. When you're suspended indefinitely for being a huge douche and let back under the condition you don't act like a huge douche, and then you go and do something hugely douchey you should be kicked out again.

Kyle
04-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Pronger is FAR worse then Avery will ever be. At least he isnt injurin people on purpose(like Pronger). its called instigating, that is Averys role.


you kno who else is far worse then Avery? Simon. Whackin people in the face? Come on now. At least Avery isnt like REAL douches


That murderer isn't so bad either. I mean, in the cell right next to his, theres a CHILD murderer. The child murderer is so much worse, the regular murderer must not be so bad after wall.

In case you didn't realize how completely fucking stupid your logic is NYI, there it is reworded without a homer topic for you to see yourself.

I don't care WHO may be worse, Avery is absolutely garbage and needs to be removed from the NHL if he isn't able to restrain himself from bullshit like this after EVERYTHING hes been through and all the chances hes been given.

You're a joke if you call that instigating. Instigating is poking into Thomas constantly DURRING a play. Anyone with any sort of defense for Avery smacking a goalie in the back of the head with a stick while hes stretching durring a commercial is a complete idiot.

Dumbass plays like those just shouldn't EVER take place in the NHL. That is not the physical or the skillful or the fast side of the sport, thats the immature bullshit that gives people good reasons to say the NHL is a fucking joke.

Motorcat
04-04-2009, 10:58 PM
When you're suspended indefinitely for being a huge douche and let back under the condition you don't act like a huge douche, and then you go and do something hugely douchey you should be kicked out again.

- so true

nyihater4life
04-04-2009, 11:01 PM
Kyle, are you a fucking moron? Wait, yes, you are. You COMPLETELY missed the point. Point it, he isnt hurting players like the ones I listed above. You are a dumbass.

phaneuf6
04-04-2009, 11:03 PM
To defend Avery, Thomas shouldnt of been out of his crease. I blame Thomas for that. he was askin for it being that far away from the net.


In terms of Avery beinga dick. get over it people.



Pronger is FAR worse then Avery will ever be. At least he isnt injurin people on purpose(like Pronger). its called instigating, that is Averys role.


you kno who else is far worse then Avery? Simon. Whackin people in the face? Come on now. At least Avery isnt like REAL douches

lol. Homer. Oh well, we're all guilty of it at some point. Pronger isn't as bad because he just takes hitting and whatnot to the next level. Avery's 'game' isn't a part of the game. Pronger's hitting and whatnot is within the context of the game, it just might be a little dirty here and there. Avery is in the media taking shots, taking shots after whistles, etc. Because of that Avery is worse IMO.

nyihater4life
04-04-2009, 11:05 PM
lol. Homer. Oh well, we're all guilty of it at some point. Pronger isn't as bad because he just takes hitting and whatnot to the next level. Avery's 'game' isn't a part of the game. Pronger's hitting and whatnot is within the context of the game, it just might be a little dirty here and there. Avery is in the media taking shots, taking shots after whistles, etc. Because of that Avery is worse IMO.


But stepping on people with SKATES on? Didnt Simon AND Pronger do that? That is worse IMO. Intent to injure is not Averys style.

boredguy
04-04-2009, 11:18 PM
But stepping on people with SKATES on? Didnt Simon AND Pronger do that? That is worse IMO. Intent to injure is not Averys style.

But we're not talking about Simon or Pronger. We're talking about a guy who is told to be on his best behaviour and he can't even control himself for more then 15 games before he does something incredibly stupid that makes the NHL look like a joke.
The guy has serious issues and until he proves he act like a sane individual he shouldn't be allowed the privilege (and yes it's a big fucking privilege) to be part of the NHL.

The other stuff with intent to injure is a seperate issue and i'm with you there, they should deal with incidents like those much more harshly.

MrScientist
04-04-2009, 11:25 PM
But we're not talking about Simon or Pronger. We're talking about a guy who is told to be on his best behaviour and he can't even control himself for more then 15 games before he does something incredibly stupid that makes the NHL look like a joke.
The guy has serious issues and until he proves he act like a sane individual he shouldn't be allowed the privilege (and yes it's a big fucking privilege) to be part of the NHL.

The other stuff with intent to injure is a seperate issue and i'm with you there, they should deal with incidents like those much more harshly.

How does this make the NHL look like a joke exactly?

boredguy
04-04-2009, 11:28 PM
How does this make the NHL look like a joke exactly?

By allowing their players to act like huge douches.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 01:42 AM
Kyle, are you a fucking moron? Wait, yes, you are. You COMPLETELY missed the point. Point it, he isnt hurting players like the ones I listed above. You are a dumbass.

Right - Says arguably the dumbest person on this forum. Everyone in this thread except Boltsfan confirms you're spouting off blind homer bullshit.

Who the fuck cares if he isn't hurting players? It does nothing to invalidate anybody's argument.



How does this make the NHL look like a joke exactly?


It looked fucking stupid, seeing the goalie deck a guy from behind (Or try to) then take a huge swipe at another. Yeah, some will say "thats quality entertainment," but to most, thats simply a huge turnoff and it makes the NHL look like unprofessional D-grade sportstars. Hockey is no longer one of the major sports in the country and when people who don't watch it often (Or at all) find some shit like this on some highlight reels, it simply makes things worse.

nyrblue2
04-05-2009, 02:09 AM
To defend Avery, Thomas shouldnt of been out of his crease. I blame Thomas for that. he was askin for it being that far away from the net.
Seriously? Like......seriously?

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.


As for Avery being a douche - of course he is. Why does this seem new to everyone? lol

As for stuff like this making the NHL look like a joke - sorry, folks. I'm much more disgusted to see guys like Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. given slaps on the wrist and then second chances. Letting guys like this back on the ice after violent incidents is much more of an issue than a little tap on the head (and was penalized, as it should have been) that made the game more intense. You wanna see a joke and I'll show you clips of football players doing hula dances and flexing their muscles after running forward with a ball about 3 feet. As much as I like AO, his stupid "fire-stick" routine was more of a "joke" than this was.

Stupid play? Absolutely. 2 games in a row he's done stupid little things like that (grabbing Ward's helmet during play and getting a penalty - not after play and being ignored as was mentioned above). There much bigger fish to fry than Avery, contrary to popular belief.

nyihater4life
04-05-2009, 02:30 AM
Seriously? Like......seriously?

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.


As for Avery being a douche - of course he is. Why does this seem new to everyone? lol

As for stuff like this making the NHL look like a joke - sorry, folks. I'm much more disgusted to see guys like Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. given slaps on the wrist and then second chances. Letting guys like this back on the ice after violent incidents is much more of an issue than a little tap on the head (and was penalized, as it should have been) that made the game more intense. You wanna see a joke and I'll show you clips of football players doing hula dances and flexing their muscles after running forward with a ball about 3 feet. As much as I like AO, his stupid "fire-stick" routine was more of a "joke" than this was.

Stupid play? Absolutely. 2 games in a row he's done stupid little things like that (grabbing Ward's helmet during play and getting a penalty - not after play and being ignored as was mentioned above). There much bigger fish to fry than Avery, contrary to popular belief.

Yea, seriously. got a problem with it?




See Kyle, blue2 understands my point. Moron.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 02:37 AM
Wow, hang on his nuts a little more, jockrider.

Funny how you missed the part where Nyr agreed you're being an irrational homer - I guess selective vision is something you need to adopt when you have to read how much of a dumbass you are as often as you do.

You're a joke.


To defend Avery, Thomas shouldnt of been out of his crease. I blame Thomas for that. he was askin for it being that far away from the net.



This comment rather indisputably proves you're an incompetent homer dumbass who has no real business discussing anything in this thread, so any insignificant point about potentially more dangerous NHL players (Cause SO many people support Simon) does little to change MY argument, which is that you've got blinders on and that Avery is a dipshit who really has no place in the NHL, at all. You're already a natural idiot, you don't need homer blinders to make your posts even more stupid.

1158
04-05-2009, 02:45 AM
There's seriously an uproar over this? Put your vaginas away, it's called being a pest. From the comments above you would expect to see Avery playing T-Ball with Thomas' head.

If Tootoo does this, it doesn't get talked about. Y'all are making it a story.


Actually, if anyone did this I would have posted about it. Of course the title would be different, though I might still figure out a way to add Avery is a douche. This type of shit is what makes hockey a joke in the states. Shit like this is why people would rather watch poker on ESPN and why major sports carriers have nothing to do with the sport. Sure, being on a channel like VS doesn't help, but things like this don't add value.

Is this the Bert incident, hell no. Does it make hockey look like a sport of thugs, hell yes. Do you think most parents want their kids seeing this, probably not and it's hard to gain fans when you drive families away.

In the first post it does say Avery didn't hit him hard, don't know how you got t-ball out of that...

alias
04-05-2009, 02:46 AM
Seriously? Like......seriously?

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.


As for Avery being a douche - of course he is. Why does this seem new to everyone? lol

As for stuff like this making the NHL look like a joke - sorry, folks. I'm much more disgusted to see guys like Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. given slaps on the wrist and then second chances. Letting guys like this back on the ice after violent incidents is much more of an issue than a little tap on the head (and was penalized, as it should have been) that made the game more intense. You wanna see a joke and I'll show you clips of football players doing hula dances and flexing their muscles after running forward with a ball about 3 feet. As much as I like AO, his stupid "fire-stick" routine was more of a "joke" than this was.

Stupid play? Absolutely. 2 games in a row he's done stupid little things like that (grabbing Ward's helmet during play and getting a penalty - not after play and being ignored as was mentioned above). There much bigger fish to fry than Avery, contrary to popular belief.

best post in this thread

Kyle
04-05-2009, 02:47 AM
You wanna see a joke and I'll show you clips of football players doing hula dances and flexing their muscles after running forward with a ball about 3 feet. As much as I like AO, his stupid "fire-stick" routine was more of a "joke" than this was.



Oh come on, you're not this NYIHater dumbass, you don't need simple things explained. Your feelings are the exception. If your feelings reflected the norm or even a large %, hockey wouldn't be an embarassingly insignficant sport. The norm clearly doesn't mind the hula dances as football is striving. Garbage like this makes hockey look pathetic and can only drive away even more fans. Whether you agree or not doesn't change that.

1158
04-05-2009, 02:50 AM
Oh, and for the record...AO is one of my fav players, but that stick thing was just stupid. Took him down a few notches in my book. I wonder if AO would have done the stick thing if Cherry hadn't made his comments. Not that it makes ANY difference, just wondering.

alias
04-05-2009, 02:54 AM
Oh come on, you're not this NYIHater dumbass, you don't need simple things explained. Your feelings are the exception. If your feelings reflected the norm or even a large %, hockey wouldn't be an embarassingly insignficant sport. The norm clearly doesn't mind the hula dances as football is striving. Garbage like this makes hockey look pathetic and can only drive away even more fans. Whether you agree or not doesn't change that.

Cheap shots happen all the time in sports, it doesn't make the sport pathetic. Is baseball pathetic because Piazza threw a broken bat at Clemens? Is basketball pathetic because Shaq disses Kobe everytime he opens his mouth? Is football pathetic because TO does....well anything really. I would actually argue that hockey is the least pathetic of the 4 when looking at stupid shit like this, and other than Avery there's nobody in the league who compares to some of the guys in the other sports. You act like hockey should lower itself to the level of these other sports (I'm talking about the dancing, trash talking side of things here) in order for it to be successful & to gain fans.

LFk
04-05-2009, 07:36 AM
This incident in itself is not a big deal compared to some of the stuff that happens around the league.

If you're going to ask me to pick between a douche-tap to the back of a goalie's helmet or a two handed lumberjack swing... or a skate stomp, what do you want people to say? It's pretty clear which is more dangerous. That's not the point.

It should be more narrow, more simple than that. My understanding was that Avery was suspended for being a shithead, then booted from his team, went through "anger management", and let back into the league. To me, this guy is on parole, and what do you know, he acts like a shithead again.

For the record, I don't think this is some disastrous embarrassment to the sport. I'd like to see Avery punished for this, but it has nothing to do with fans or perception of the sport: I really don't think it's that big of a deal from that angle. Within the sport itself, professionals should be expected to act like professionals. Goalies should be able to stretch during breaks. Avery's game is to throw others off their game, and I have no problem when he does it on the ice, during play. But he might as well take a water gun and squirt the opposing team's bench during commercials, or pull of Thomas' mask and skate away yelling nyah nyah nyah got your mask. That's about how professional this stupid stick tap was, and I think any disciplinary action would be as a courtesy to the players that play the game.

MrScientist
04-05-2009, 07:52 AM
Nyihater is being homerish Kyle, there's my confirmation :lol:

I was just more focused on figuring out how armageddon was coming out of this play.

narduch
04-05-2009, 10:08 AM
This is being blown way out of proportion because it involved Avery. Normally, this is a penalty, and that's it.

Don't get me started on Avery being suspended for saying sloppy seconds. That was a joke. The NHL has made a joke of its suspensions/discipline because there is no clear consistency. That is a far bigger concern than any of Avery's actions.

What were people expecting Avery to do? This man can not do anything now without being scrutinized from hockey fans who have a perverse sense of right and wrong.


Is this the Bert incident, hell no. Does it make hockey look like a sport of thugs, hell yes. Do you think most parents want their kids seeing this, probably not and it's hard to gain fans when you drive families away.

Hockey already looks like a sport of thugs by allowing fighting to be so prevalent. Also, many fans are supportive of this thug nature by wrongfully thinking players should be able to police themselves.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 11:40 AM
Really? So you don't mind Avery being Avery AND you want rules in place to limit the opposing player's ability to respond to that worthless piece of shit? Thank GOD your view reflects the smallest minority of the hockey fanbase cause you'd ruin the game worse than Bettman if you were in charge of things.

Yeah, lets get rid of fighting because the 2 minute penalty will definitely teach Avery his lesson. Its worked so well in the past, right? Wrong. Keep fighting, someday Avery will pick the wrong time and get his fucking face smashed.

Getting under the team's skin is prevalent in all sports. What Avery does is well beyond that and at some point you have to wonder how long the NHL wants this bullshit sideshow attraction going on. Yes, this isn't that huge of a deal, but from Avery, it is. And pointing out that we wouldn't be blowing up if it wasn't Avery is completely stupid because he deserves to be more heavily scrutinized for being Avery.

Every chance you get should heighten the punishment and criticism you recieve for repeated mistakes. This is Avery's what, 75th related incident in the NHL? When will enough be enough with this stupid dipshit?

narduch
04-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Sorry if all the mouth-breathing hockey fans don't realize that NHL fighting justice is a joke.

The best way to rid the game of dangerous play is through proper punishment and enforcement, not by allowing fighting.

I would have more respect for the pro-fighting crowd if they just admit that they like watching hockey fights for the sake of seeing fights. And stop bringing up all these bogus notions of why fighting is important and needed. Its a load of crap.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Um, when did I ever say or even imply the words you put in my mouth?

Mouthbreathing hockey fans, good one. Its incredible how high you are on yourself while you fail to make a good point. But you can continue to hide your illogical stance behind a wall of class and try to make anyone who likes fighting in hockey (you know, 99.99% of the fanbase) seem like a brute. I'd be a fool if I expected anything but self-righteous bullshit from you at this point, anyway.

To tell Red Wings fans that McCarty serving Lemieux justice was a joke is just incredibly ignorant and narrowminded.

Rivalries ARE an important part of hockey and rivalries don't exist in hockey without fighting. Fighting is important to hockey, which is why now that fighting has been completely cracked down on and limited and players have to be terrified to even try it most times, the NHL is a joke to the public eye and no one watches it. YOUR opinion on whether or not it should be allowed means shit, it is a fact that fighting is important to hockey and your denial of that is the only load of crap around here.

Again, you reflect .01% of the fanbase. Hockey wouldn't even be given airtime if you had your way.

All that aside, YES, I like watching fights. Espicially when the victom has it comming (Like Avery has countless times). Its exciting, its entertaining, and its a nice twist from what CAN be boring back-and-forth action. Now, find me saying otherwise, and you can justify your sorry attempt to turn this into another pointless argument about fighting in the NHL. Otherwise, you're just being petty and should try to keep this roughly on point.

No one wants Avery gone due to dangerous play. We want him gone because hes a fucking joke with absolutely no respect for the game, his team, any fans, the entire institution of hockey in general, and because his immature antics have absolutely no place on television, let alone for a dying sport that needs something different than this nonsense. Hes been given countless chances and fucks up each one and keeps getting more chances, its just annoying and at some point you have to stop looking at how small his individual incidents might be compared to Bertuzzi and actually look at his history as a whole.

narduch
04-05-2009, 02:34 PM
Mouthbreathing hockey fans, good one. Its incredible how high you are on yourself while you fail to make a good point. But you can continue to hide your illogical stance behind a wall of class and try to make anyone who likes fighting in hockey (you know, 99.99% of the fanbase) seem like a brute. I'd be a fool if I expected anything but self-righteous bullshit from you at this point, anyway.

A recent Toronto Star survey show the number is around 60% I believe.

Besides, I've stated before, I don't mind fighting, as long as its not contrived. If a fight breaks out in the heat of battle, I can totally understand that.

But most times, fighting in hockey is a boring sideshow. Most NHL fights suck as fights.

NHL fighting is like cheerleaders in the NFL.

On Avery again, people blow his actions way out of proportion. Its as if hockey fans either have no sense of homour, or a totally misplaced sense of indignation.

You really want to ban Avery from the NHL for life for what he did to Thomas? That is a perverse sense of justice. I don't see you campaigning to have Pronger removed from the league.....


As for Avery being a douche - of course he is. Why does this seem new to everyone? lol

As for stuff like this making the NHL look like a joke - sorry, folks. I'm much more disgusted to see guys like Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. given slaps on the wrist and then second chances. Letting guys like this back on the ice after violent incidents is much more of an issue than a little tap on the head (and was penalized, as it should have been) that made the game more intense. You wanna see a joke and I'll show you clips of football players doing hula dances and flexing their muscles after running forward with a ball about 3 feet. As much as I like AO, his stupid "fire-stick" routine was more of a "joke" than this was.

Stupid play? Absolutely. 2 games in a row he's done stupid little things like that (grabbing Ward's helmet during play and getting a penalty - not after play and being ignored as was mentioned above). There much bigger fish to fry than Avery, contrary to popular belief.

I just wanted to quote this because I believe this is the most sense anyone has made in the entire thread.

Some people need to take their anti-Avery blinders off.

nyrblue2
04-05-2009, 02:39 PM
No one wants Avery gone due to dangerous play. We want him gone because hes a fucking joke with absolutely no respect for the game, his team, any fans, the entire institution of hockey in general, and because his immature antics have absolutely no place on television, let alone for a dying sport that needs something different than this nonsense. Hes been given countless chances and fucks up each one and keeps getting more chances, its just annoying and at some point you have to stop looking at how small his individual incidents might be compared to Bertuzzi and actually look at his history as a whole.
Do you also want Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. kicked out of the game?

You said it yourself - Avery is "just annoying". I'd much rather have an annoying player run his mouth for an entire career than see Simon chop down a tree (aka Ryan Hollweg's chin) just once and possible end someone else's career or life.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 02:45 PM
Again, I repeat that it is not one specific incident but the history as a whole that at this point has made me fucking despise Avery.

I believe I was on the other side of this fence durring the Brodeur incident, saying people are being a bunch of whiny bitches over Avery waving his stick, big deal. But I really hadn't watched too much of him, and now after countless dives, destroying a team's locker room, establishing that hes a selfish fuck, CONSTANTLY pushing every loosely-defined rule in the book to its limits to get away with as much as he can, it just doesn't fucking belong in professional sports.

It has nothing to do with a sense of humor. The simple fact is we aren't watching hockey parodies (Where Avery belongs), we're trying to watch professional sports. We accept that they will act less than professional when they score or in the heat of the moment, but for Avery to do some shit like that durring fucking commercial? Avery crosses the line with no justifiable reason, ever, thats why he needs to go. He simply has no control.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 02:47 PM
Do you also want Pronger, Simon, Downie, etc. kicked out of the game?

You said it yourself - Avery is "just annoying". I'd much rather have an annoying player run his mouth for an entire career than see Simon chop down a tree (aka Ryan Hollweg's chin) just once and possible end someone else's career or life.

Anybody who establishes that he can't be trusted to improve his issues after second, third, forth chances should most certainly be kicked out of the game.

Any of those players who meet that criteria are welcome to the same "Go the fuck away" I give Avery.

Narduch, regarding Pronger, I actually believe thats EXACTLY what I campaigned for when he did the skate smash. Don't try to label me a hypocrite and don't act like a dumbass and try to make it seem like I want Avery banned from the NHL over hitting thomas lightly with his stick. I want Avery banned from the NHL for 5,000 little incidents that never should've happened, not this one.

Its just funny, that your guys' only argument is "Theres worse" and nothing to actually defend or dispute anything said about Avery. So because I haven't started a thread to bitch about every questionable player in the NHL makes this one topic I did choose to discuss any less valid? Lets stay grounded in logic people, please. No one has provided an even half-decent argument that states Avery isn't as bad as we say and that hes healthy for the game. At the end of the day this is about hockey, hes bad for hockey, he shouldn't be in the NHL. That simple. Not one single player in the entire league hurts public perception of the sport like Avery.

narduch
04-05-2009, 02:49 PM
I think Avery was a scapegoat in Dallas. That team was still a mess even after he left.

I still haven't seen Avery do things as bad as some players who are still allowed to play in this league.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Sigh, the NHL's disciplinary team is so pitiful that this argument is impossible to have because you're right, you will absolutely find players more deserving of punishment. The NHL is turning to anarchy it seems :lol:

I don't care, Pronger may have done worse, but I can watch him game to game. It just seems like this annoying pest and his immature antics is all Avery wants to be. Pronger can be a thug but he can also be a hall of fame defenseman and he is that defenseman much more often than that thug. Avery is always this annoying little pest and that'd be OK but he crosses more and more lines every year and it seems like he simply can't take the hint and at least hit the breaks before going farther - Hes had his chances (Moreso than anyone else I know) and didn't appreciate them. He can go.

ih8music
04-05-2009, 03:18 PM
It just seems like this annoying pest and his immature antics is all Avery wants to be. Pronger can be a thug but he can also be a hall of fame defenseman and he is that defenseman much more often than that thug. Avery is always this annoying little pest and that'd be OK but he crosses more and more lines every year and it seems like he simply can't take the hint and at least hit the breaks before going farther - Hes had his chances (Moreso than anyone else I know) and didn't appreciate them. He can go.
sounds like he does his job pretty well. :lol:

I'm often amused at how much Avery bothers certain fans. Wonder if he riles up his opponents the same way? My guess is no - I'm sure most of them are smart enough to realize that's what he wants.

Yes he's an annoying little prick, but this little tap (even in the context of all his past grievous sins) is hardly suspension-worthy.

And as for this being embarassing to the league - I can't help but think about the end of Slapshot, during the big brawl, where Patrick Marleau.... err, the pacifist dude... did his striptease and the announcers freaked out about it. I find what Avery does to be the least of the league's concerns right now.

Kyle
04-05-2009, 03:35 PM
Who is this list of players you'd see banned from the NHL before Avery, everybody? Im legitly curious.

Motorcat
04-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I think Avery was a scapegoat in Dallas. That team was still a mess even after he left.

I still haven't seen Avery do things as bad as some players who are still allowed to play in this league.

Dallas played much better after Avery was released - they made up a ton of ground only to loss it all back and then some after the break because of all the injuries.

ih8music
04-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Who is this list of players you'd see banned from the NHL before Avery, everybody? Im legitly curious.

Me? I don't have a list of players that I want to see banned - never said that.

What I would like to see is a policy of major (i.e. year-long) suspensions for players with a past history of intent-to-injure infractions the next time they take a cheap shot at someone and they get hurt. I'd also like to see more general consistency in penalty enforcement - both during in-game play as well as when suspensions get handed down from the league.

That stuff is more destructive to the integrity of the game than Avery doing <whatever> to get under the skin of the other team's goalie.

alias
04-05-2009, 03:47 PM
I think Avery was a scapegoat in Dallas. That team was still a mess even after he left.

I'd wait until next year to be able to justify that statement. They did lose some key players around the time Avery left (Morrow, Zubov) so you can't say they wouldn't have been a better team if those 2 were healthy.

bearcats
04-05-2009, 04:13 PM
avery is a menace due to his lack of respect for the game

I wish the B's would have another game for revenge,in that game i would like to see the b's dress every goon in there entire system and have as many of them go after avery and just pummell on the SOB until he understands what respect is in the game.

I urge all the coaches in the league to instruct the scotts,parros,stortinis,laraques,brashers etc of the nhl to just go out and pound him to the ground until he stops doing these sort of stupid acts...or more likely suffers enough concusions that he has to retire:lol:

alias
04-05-2009, 04:16 PM
I wish the B's would have another game for revenge,in that game i would like to see the b's dress every goon in there entire system and have as many of them go after avery and just pummell on the SOB until he understands what respect is in the game.


well theres a good chance they meet in the playoffs :evilgrin:

keyboard
04-05-2009, 04:18 PM
For the record, I don't think this is some disastrous embarrassment to the sport. I'd like to see Avery punished for this, but it has nothing to do with fans or perception of the sport: I really don't think it's that big of a deal from that angle. Within the sport itself, professionals should be expected to act like professionals. Goalies should be able to stretch during breaks. Avery's game is to throw others off their game, and I have no problem when he does it on the ice, during play. But he might as well take a water gun and squirt the opposing team's bench during commercials, or pull of Thomas' mask and skate away yelling nyah nyah nyah got your mask. That's about how professional this stupid stick tap was, and I think any disciplinary action would be as a courtesy to the players that play the game.Agreed.


No one wants Avery gone due to dangerous play. We want him gone because hes a fucking joke with absolutely no respect for the game, his team, any fans, the entire institution of hockey in general, and because his immature antics have absolutely no place on television, let alone for a dying sport that needs something different than this nonsense.Agreed.


You said it yourself - Avery is "just annoying". I'd much rather have an annoying player run his mouth for an entire career than see Simon chop down a tree (aka Ryan Hollweg's chin) just once and possible end someone else's career or life.But that's the point that I was trying to make when Avery first got suspended. His actions create at atmosphere where someone has to do something. With Moore's hit on Naslund, and Bertuzzi trying to fight him, you almost wish he got the fuck off the ice. With Avery, you hope he stays off the ice before he gets someone who is just tired of him and does something stupid. You can almost hear the validation of someone breaking Avery's spine on an icing call as "and you know, he had it coming." When there's a widespread attitude of disrespect for one player, who instigates aggression, it just seems like the potential escalation of the situation isn't worth it.


That stuff is more destructive to the integrity of the game than Avery doing <whatever> to get under the skin of the other team's goalie.Is it? When was the last time you saw Simon or Pronger getting the kind of air time Avery gets? While I don't think Avery's antics turn fans off of the game, I do think the sheer ridiculous nature of his acts are, at the very least, a deterrant for anyone who wants to watch an actual professional sport.

narduch
04-05-2009, 04:58 PM
I'd wait until next year to be able to justify that statement. They did lose some key players around the time Avery left (Morrow, Zubov) so you can't say they wouldn't have been a better team if those 2 were healthy.

I'm not a big proponent of the injury excuse. Plenty of good to great NHL teams persevere after major injuries and still perform well. Besides the injuries don't fully explain Turco's absolutely terrible season, both while Avery was there and after. Turco is a far greater factor in Dallas' demise than Avery ever was.

Why would we need to wait? At certain points in recent weeks Dallas was holding down a playoff spot. Avery wasn't there to take part in the collapse.

I think the Dallas players liked using the Avery crutch as a convenient excuse to mask their own ineptitude.

bearcats
04-05-2009, 05:12 PM
I'm not a big proponent of the injury excuse. Plenty of good to great NHL teams persevere after major injuries and still perform well. Besides the injuries don't fully explain Turco's absolutely terrible season, both while Avery was there and after. Turco is a far greater factor in Dallas' demise than Avery ever was.

Why would we need to wait? At certain points in recent weeks Dallas was holding down a playoff spot. Avery wasn't there to take part in the collapse.

I think the Dallas players liked using the Avery crutch as a convenient excuse to mask their own ineptitude.

we will never know the extent of how avery effected the dallas team, but what we do know is that Turco was the first one to come out and state his dislike for avery's presence in the room... I personally think Avery had a lot to do with it, I also figure that the rags are avery last chance in the nhl

narduch
04-05-2009, 05:17 PM
Here's an interesting question: What happens if the Rangers decide to buy out Avery's contract in the off season? Would the Rangers and Dallas have to split the buy out? Equally affecting both teams cap? Would the Stars continue to pay half his salary while the Rangers can only buy out the portion they owe?


we will never know the extent of how avery effected the dallas team, but what we do know is that Turco was the first one to come out and state his dislike for avery's presence in the room... I personally think Avery had a lot to do with it, I also figure that the rags are avery last chance in the nhl

But Turco has been shit almost the entire year. This is part of the reason why I think Avery was less of a cancer than the Stars players want us to believe. You can only blame Avery for so long.

The Rangers had a decent run going after Avery joined them. What are suppose to take from that?

bearcats
04-05-2009, 05:27 PM
Here's an interesting question: What happens if the Rangers decide to buy out Avery's contract in the off season? Would the Rangers and Dallas have to split the buy out? Equally affecting both teams cap? Would the Stars continue to pay half his salary while the Rangers can only buy out the portion they owe?



But Turco has been shit almost the entire year. This is part of the reason why I think Avery was less of a cancer than the Stars players want us to believe. You can only blame Avery for so long.

The Rangers had a decent run going after Avery joined them. What are suppose to take from that?

turco is a goalie and his play will be more subject to the team in front of him IMO...the rags had a bit of a lift when avery came around I think partly due to the fact that Avery is comfortable in NY and I also think the trade deadline aquisitions had some influence along with a new coach...it wasn't soley cause of avery

narduch
04-05-2009, 05:33 PM
turco is a goalie and his play will be more subject to the team in front of him IMO...the rags had a bit of a lift when avery came around I think partly due to the fact that Avery is comfortable in NY and I also think the trade deadline aquisitions had some influence along with a new coach...it wasn't soley cause of avery

The thing is, Turco is suppose to be one of the premier goalies in the league. He couldn't have gotten this worse in one season all because of injuries and Avery?

As for the Rangers, I think Avery is just another piece of the team there. I also think some of the Ranger players like having him on the team because he takes attention away from the fact that a number of them are overpayed underachievers.

bearcats
04-05-2009, 05:40 PM
The thing is, Turco is suppose to be one of the premier goalies in the league. He couldn't have gotten this worse in one season all because of injuries and Avery?

As for the Rangers, I think Avery is just another piece of the team there. I also think some of the Ranger players like having him on the team because he takes attention away from the fact that a number of them are overpayed underachievers.

stop trying to make this a debate between avery being a cancer and turco having a shitty season, both are true to certain degrees.

in any case yes avery could be a piece to the rags puzzle and he does take some of the pressure of other rags players in the NY limelight...

still would like to see him get pummelled for his senseless acts.

narduch
04-05-2009, 05:46 PM
still would like to see him get pummelled for his senseless acts.

And this is the kind of attitude that leads to Bertuzzi bonehead type acts. Which are a far bigger blight on the game.....

bearcats
04-05-2009, 05:53 PM
And this is the kind of attitude that leads to Bertuzzi bonehead type acts. Which are a far bigger blight on the game.....

for what it is worth I think both bertuzzi and crawford should have been suspended for life for what they did, having other fighters go out and pummell a guy with fisticuffs because he twacked a defenseless goalie in the head from behind with his stick is nothing more than justice for a stupid act that was premeditated by a guy that has proven over and over that he has little if any respect for the game and his collegues.

alias
04-05-2009, 06:25 PM
And this is the kind of attitude that leads to Bertuzzi bonehead type acts. Which are a far bigger blight on the game.....

a sucker punch & a drop the gloves fight are two different things. I don't think anybody is saying they want to see him suckerpunched, but for him to drop the gloves and actually fight, which it seems he is afraid to do with most guys.

nyrblue2
04-05-2009, 09:28 PM
Who is this list of players you'd see banned from the NHL before Avery, everybody? Im legitly curious.
I'm not saying that these guys actually should get banned for life, but I do think they would deserve it more than Avery:

Simon
Pronger
Downie
Hollweg
J. Ruutu
Tootoo
Bertuzzi

McSorley
C. Lemieux
Clarke

These guys go out there (or used to go out there) and try to hurt people. Avery, while annoying, does not try to hurt people. Call him a wimp, call him all talk.....you're right. Sure he hits and fights, but he doesn't go around doing the dangerous things that these other guys do so frequently. It really is 2 completely different realms, so I guess it's tough to compare, but I just can't understand how a shit-disturber is public enemy #1, when dangerous players go unnoticed (exaggeration of course).

Dubz
04-05-2009, 10:30 PM
I'm not saying that these guys actually should get banned for life, but I do think they would deserve it more than Avery:

Simon
Pronger
Downie
Hollweg
J. Ruutu
Tootoo
Bertuzzi

McSorley
C. Lemieux
Clarke

so I guess it's tough to compare, .

I dont recall any of those guys calling anybodys wife a whore on camera in the dressing room either. Which Sean was suspended indefinately for because he had been warned many time previously not to embarass the sport.

I am not saying I like Simon at all. I think he should have been banned after the axe in the face shot but I dont make the rules, unfortunately. That doesnt change the fact that Avery is a special case and from what Ive read in this thread seems to be the key point of the debate. Comparing him to others is a mute point.

FWIW I get a kick out of the BS he brings and actually find it entertaining. Of course I think it will be 100 times more entertaining when it "comes around";)

narduch
04-05-2009, 10:43 PM
I dont recall any of those guys calling anybodys wife a whore on camera in the dressing room either. Which Sean was suspended indefinately for because he had been warned many time previously not to embarass the sport.

Are hockey fans so humourless and prudish that they want a player banned for uttering 'sloppy seconds'?

I watch hockey games on tv where beer commercials talk about 'getting jiggy with a professional hockey player' and 'turning down a booty call during the playoffs' yet Avery is so uncouth? This is pretty much the same dumb humour Avery was playing to in his comments. One is a nationally successful ad campaign and the other gets a player suspended indefinitely from the NHL.

Its bizarre how a bunch of men who probably utter way worse shit when they hang out with their buddies are ready to crucify Avery for the 'sloppy seconds' comment.

As I've said previously, he shouldn't even have been suspended for that. Maybe one game, but that's it.

This entire Avery saga has been insane. From the suspension, to the the 'anger management' to the the indignation of a stupid play during a game.

Andrew1125
04-05-2009, 11:22 PM
Avery has taken a shit on every single unwritten rule the NHL and its players operate with. Of course he's done nothing to get himself banned from the game. And I don't think too many people were that offended by the "sloppy seconds" comment either, aside from the massive lack of respect towards Phaneuf. Using sex and humour to sell a beer is one thing, using it to fulfill a personal vendetta against another player is something else.

He is a stain on the NHL's image and should be treated as such. Banned from the league? No, but I would have no problem with him being kept on a short leash and not given the same priviledges that others are given. Since the NHL is in a position where they can't take much action about Avery and his bullshit, I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if the on-ice justice system takes care of him.

keyboard
04-05-2009, 11:25 PM
Avery has taken a shit on every single unwritten rule the NHL and its players operate with.That's the big one. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would want to come to his aide, like Sjostorm did last night only to get punched in the face by Thomas.

LFk
04-05-2009, 11:37 PM
Its bizarre how a bunch of men who probably utter way worse shit when they hang out with their buddies are ready to crucify Avery for the 'sloppy seconds' comment.


What the.... what kind of example is that?

How is that bizarre? The crude things you joke around with to your buddies don't belong on TV either. Is uttering shit to your friends over beers and saying the same crap in a televised interview the same thing? If you don't understand the difference between the two mediums, then i'm sorry.

You think because you don't care about it if someone says 'fuck' on TV, that no one else does. Who cares? It's probably uttered 'round the world a million times a minute. I don't give a fuck if there was an entire 30 minute segment on ESPN called 'fuck that guy' dedicated to swearing at the players that are fucking up their teams. I think that would be great. But there are people who do care, it's society's norm, it's the business of network television. Some people out there just don't want their ten year olds asking what a sloppy second is. I don't think the reason for the suspension could be any more clear.


The anger management part was a joke. I don't think it did anything, I don't think the NHL ever expected Avery to take away anything from that, nor do I suspect he did take anything away. It was a stupid formality.

nyrblue2
04-06-2009, 07:30 AM
Avery has taken a shit on every single unwritten rule the NHL and its players operate with.
And other players take a shit on every single written rule.

I really don't get it, lol. I mean, if you want to hate Avery that's fine and I can definitely understand why. That's not my beef here. I just don't understand why the violent plays/players don't draw the same response, repeat offender or not.

I don't even know why I'm typing all this. I should just link to my posts in the stick-waving thread.


On a little side note......The "special circumstances" surrounding Avery have once again "changed" the rules of the game. Remember the new rule created when Avery waved his stick around? Well, during the Boston game, the refs showed that apparently you can call a penalty by looking at a replay on the scoreboard, which is not supposed to be allowed (you can only call the penalties you actually see). Sure, I didn't see them actually look at the scoreboard and then immediately call a penalty, but Avery wasn't escorted to the penalty box until about 5 minutes after the incident occured, while he was already back sitting on the bench. Never in my life have I ever seen a ref take 5 minutes to call a penalty that he actually saw. Supplementary discipline is obviously subject to replays, but using it during a game to call a minor is new.

"The Avery Rule #2"? :dunno:

narduch
04-06-2009, 08:45 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but Avery will not be suspended for what happened.

All the indignant Avery haters will just have to learn to move on.

keyboard
04-06-2009, 09:39 AM
And other players take a shit on every single written rule.

I just don't understand why the violent plays/players don't draw the same response, repeat offender or not.I think that's the thing. I don't know if any player in history has ever broken so many rules that are unwritten, and perhaps the response of the league is poor, but what are you supposed to do? If you ran an organization and someone was a giant douche bag, you'd remove them. Some people think that's too much. So you penalize them. Apparently that's too much. You let it go? No chance.

As for the guys who break written rules, they are dealt with just as poorly, but at least there's a structured way to deal with them. Penalties, suspensions, fines... whatever. Avery is an anomaly on rule breaking, and as much as I enjoy hitting and fighting in hockey, I don't think he deserves that much attention because the things he does don't heighten the value of the game or sport, they just piss people off.


Not sure if this was mentioned, but Avery will not be suspended for what happened.

All the indignant Avery haters will just have to learn to move on.Are you going to respond to LFk?

narduch
04-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Are you going to respond to LFk?

Nope, because I'm already tired of this debate and I don't feel like going in circles is very constructive. I already stated my viewpoint: that people are over-reacting. What else is there to say other than re-hashing old points?

If people want to be prudes, that's their prerogative.

Sorry if it takes a lot more to get me outraged than it does the average hockey fan....

Hamsterkill
04-06-2009, 11:11 AM
I do believe that if a player of any other sport said 'sloppy seconds' on TV, that there would be no disciplinary action by their league.

Let's not imagine otherwise, Avery was suspended for it because he's Avery. Personally, I find that to be a joke about the NHL's disciplinary system.

And yes, Avery is a pretty big douchebag.

Kyle
04-06-2009, 12:23 PM
Nope, because I'm already tired of this debate and I don't feel like going in circles is very constructive. I already stated my viewpoint: that people are over-reacting. What else is there to say other than re-hashing old points?

If people want to be prudes, that's their prerogative.

Sorry if it takes a lot more to get me outraged than it does the average hockey fan....


Wow, thats a brilliant way of saying you made an absolutely terrible argument, tried to generalize things that weren't nearly as simple as you made them sound, and have absolutely nothing to say to a good refute that exposes that. Don't want to go in circles, right, after 2 pages of it you finally got tired? Nah, I think you just finally ran into a post you couldn't bullshit your way out of with nonsense about how you're just not prude like the rest of us (Which you base off this one situation which gives me more reason to simply call you ignorant, espicially because based on EVERY convo we've had before this I'd say YOU play the role of stuck up prude far more often).

Quite frankly, every comparison you made from the beer commercials to guys uttering worse things with their buddies was absolutely moronic. You failed to make any sort of point and only proved that you have some serious comprehension issues. You're either playing a dumbass or you ARE a dumbass because its absolutely pitiful that you think its proper to say "Guys say worse than sloppy seconds, why should Avery have been in trouble?" when there is a HUGE difference between what we say in the comfort of our homes/our buddies homes and what you say when you're speaking as a player of a professional sports organization.

Its just really lame that this had to turn into what it turned into just so you could try to look like a hardass and make the point that we're all blowing it out of the water. I don't think theres a person out there (Except you and some rangers fans) who don't think Avery has used up far too many chances and can at least agree that hes a problem, even if they don't agree he should be outright banned. But here you are trying to make what he does seem like perfectly respectable and reasonable acts within the realm of hockey and as long as hes not crushing someones skull with his stick, he can go ahead and lightly bounce it off every head in the fucking arena. You took a stance in this argument to be an elitist pest. I don't think you had any sort of real point to make - so keep that in mind if you're wondering why i felt the need to say all this after you "bowed out" (Pussed out more like it) of the argument.



Let's not imagine otherwise, Avery was suspended for it because he's Avery.


You mean a guy suspended infinite times for crude/inappropriate/boundry-pushing behavor and general defecation of the sport to the public eye got suspended for a borderline comment that others might've not been suspended for? How the fuck is it a joke that people get punished more harsh based on their history? Is that not how its SUPPOSED to go?

And you can NOT be sure about your comment. Maybe I don't watch enough TV but I do not hear players from any sport ever getting personal with eachother like that in interviews. Maybe game-related shittalking, but no sloppy seconds bullshit. That garbage is only seen on WWE. What a flattering comparison to make for the NHL.

narduch
04-06-2009, 01:07 PM
Way to go over the top again Kyle. Pretty much proving my point that the Avery detractors are just being idiots who are over-reacting.

If what Avery did to Thomas was so bad, why did the NHL do nothing about it?

Stuff like that happens ALL the time in the NHL.

I really don't know how to make this more clear to your dumb brain Kyle. I don't think a player should be suspended for saying 'sloppy seconds'. I don't think a player should be reprimanded for their words. The only exception being if they say stuff that is racist, of course.

Kyle
04-06-2009, 01:11 PM
Guess I shouldn't have expected much more. You're a joke, hardass. :lol:

And now you're the using the decision of the same disciplinary team you tore apart over the "Sloppy seconds" incident to make your point. Brilliant as always.

The idiot is the one who fails to refute the multitude of good points put in front of him and tries to continue the argument anyway. One has to wonder why you bothered to return just to contradict your own post claiming you're not interested in going in circles.

narduch
04-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Guess I shouldn't have expected much more. You're a joke, hardass. :lol:

The joke is people like you who think Avery should be banned from the game. For what? Stuff that is totally trivial.

I can't wait until the NHL is full of more robot-players who only spout off cliche responses in the media. I think that's the only thing that will make a majority of hockey fans happy. Everything must be vanilla to keep hockey fans happy. God forbid anyone ever colour outside the lines lest the masses will get their knives out. We saw a similar mentality towards Ovechkin in recent weeks. Its like personality is a bad thing in hockey.

Kyle
04-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Which is exactly why Ovechkin is my favorite player in the league behind my RedWing favorites. Stuff the assumptions - you have no clue what you're talking about.

NONE of us hating on Avery are hating on personality - you're just being an idiot and trying to make them one and the same.

We're hating on a circus sideshow that has gone on too long. Trivial only serves as a good excuse for so long. If he brought something to the NHL besides his antics like just about every other player mentioned in this thread, it'd be one thing. But for the last decade, hes brought nothing but Sean Avery the pest to the table, and I'm simply well past the point of having any sympathy for the guy and support whatever he has comming to him over the rest of his sorry career. Theres an unwritten code in the NHL stating that regardless of the bullshit shittalking and what may go on the ice, there is ALWAYS common level of respect for players. Avery is the only person in the NHL who draws a spotlight for the sake of showing off how little he gives a shit about that common respect other NHL players have for eachother. Banning may be extreme, but to call his entire act trivial and isignificant just isn't fair - you're going WAY too easy on him.

Don't make an ass out of yourself by claiming you're done with a thread only to come back half a page later and pick up where you left off. Next time just say "Sorry, I made a fool out of myself, I was a total idiot to try to compare Avery's interview to beer commercials or things guys say when they're hanging out. I have absolutely no support for that terrible argument, so I'm gonna run away from this part of the argument so I can come back in a few posts and act like my point is still valid." Its what you meant, at least.

I have to ask, what are you even arguing now? Aside from putting words in all our mouths (Cause we all hate personality - you have SO much support for that brilliant point im sure, I'm just dying to hear it. Surely you won't ignore this like all the other points brought up against you), whats your point? To argue that Avery doesn't deserve to be banned?

Or are you really arguing that he isn't bad for the NHL, at all? That everything he does is totally acceptable and Avery as a character should not have to change one bit and should keep chipshotting goalies in the head durring commercial breaks?

If its the former, you made that point 3 pages ago and have been making a fool out of yourself since. If its the latter, well, you're braindead. Either way, this argument has been counter-productive for you.

narduch
04-06-2009, 01:45 PM
If he brought something to the NHL besides his antics like just about every other player mentioned in this thread, it'd be one thing.

Its stuff like this that makes you look stupid.

You do know Avery can actually play right? He's actually put up decent numbers for a 3rd line since his return to the Rangers. And other than the odd stupidity, he is the classic agitator.

But why use facts when you can use blind hatred?


Or are you really arguing that he isn't bad for the NHL, at all? That everything he does is totally acceptable and Avery as a character should not have to change one bit and should keep chipshotting goalies in the head durring commercial breaks?

Avery got the proper penalty for what he did to Thomas. A 2-minute minor. Saying that he deserves any more than that is total hyperbole.

Avery did his job. Its not his fault if the Rangers can't score on a 4-on-3 that proceeded the ensuing Savard penalty.

nyrblue2
04-06-2009, 01:51 PM
We're hating on a circus sideshow that has gone on too long. Trivial only serves as a good excuse for so long. If he brought something to the NHL besides his antics like just about every other player mentioned in this thread, it'd be one thing. But for the last decade, hes brought nothing but Sean Avery the pest to the table, and I'm simply well past the point of having any sympathy for the guy and support whatever he has comming to him over the rest of his sorry career. Theres an unwritten code in the NHL stating that regardless of the bullshit shittalking and what may go on the ice, there is ALWAYS common level of respect for players. Avery is the only person in the NHL who draws a spotlight for the sake of showing off how little he gives a shit about that common respect other NHL players have for eachother. Banning may be extreme, but to call his entire act trivial and isignificant just isn't fair - you're going WAY too easy on him.
Sorry man, but that's way off. I'm guessing you haven't seen the Rangers record with Avery in the lineup (the past few years combined) or you wouldn't be saying that. Outside of his dumb, untimely penalties, he's been one of the most effective players on the ice since he rejoined the team, working his way from the 3rd line to the 1st line (including PP time). The fact that he doesn't have the numbers to back it up is a reflection of the team offense (or lack thereof), not his performance.

keyboard
04-06-2009, 02:48 PM
I thought Shaq calling Bosh the Rupaul of the NBA was fantastic. I think Avery's antics show a serious lack of respect for his teammates (Dallas letting him go), his opponents (attacking a player from behind while they stretch), and fans (going on a national broadcast and discussing things that have no relation to the game).

I'm not sure why that makes me a prude, or sensitive, or old fashioned.

boredguy
04-06-2009, 03:03 PM
I just don't understand why the violent plays/players don't draw the same response, repeat offender or not.

Never in my life have I ever seen a ref take 5 minutes to call a penalty that he actually saw. Supplementary discipline is obviously subject to replays, but using it during a game to call a minor is new.

"The Avery R:dunno:ule #2"?

Ugh, there was a pretty big Simon thread with people wanting him kicked out of the league before too. When Hollweg made an ass out of himself earlier this season most people were saying they'd love to see him never play again as well. The threads are typically not gonna be as long though as you don't get people defending those actions so there's not much to say after saying they're an ass.

After a big scrum i've often seen it take a long time to settle the penalties with players going back to the bench and then getting taken off it to go to the box. The refs often talk to the linesmen to check if they saw anything. Besides, it's more likely they gave him the penalty based on reputation. They see a player chasing after Avery and they new he did some stupid thing to deserve it.

LFk
04-06-2009, 06:43 PM
nyrblue, I think the Simon, Pronger, etc. incidents did incite the "reaction" you are mentioning, did they not? I recall after each incident there was a thread here about how it was dirty and these guys should be suspended, does not belong in the NHL, etc.

The difference, and why there seems to be more "indignation" with Avery is that its was easier to agree with a skate stomp being dirty, or a lumberjack swing. So everyone agrees, case closed, leave it to the league to decide.

I don't think Avery's antics are comparable to the others, nor do I think anyone is saying a stick tap is worse than a lumberjack swing to the chin.

Dubz
04-06-2009, 08:42 PM
The joke is people like you who think Avery should be banned from the game. For what? Stuff that is totally trivial.

I can't wait until the NHL is full of more robot-players who only spout off cliche responses in the media. I think that's the only thing that will make a majority of hockey fans happy. Everything must be vanilla to keep hockey fans happy. God forbid anyone ever colour outside the lines lest the masses will get their knives out. We saw a similar mentality towards Ovechkin in recent weeks. Its like personality is a bad thing in hockey.

I find it ironic that you defend or actually encourage players to be more like Avery and then stake fighting in the NHL to a cross. Very odd opinions. Im glad you dont run the league:p

Kyle
04-06-2009, 10:02 PM
I find it ironic that you defend or actually encourage players to be more like Avery and then stake fighting in the NHL to a cross. Very odd opinions. Im glad you dont run the league:p

lol..Not that I blame you for not reading the entire thread but I basically said exactly that in slightly different wording earlier, right down to the "Glad you're not calling any shots" or something to that extent at the end.



Its stuff like this that makes you look stupid.


Ok, so one single line about Avery not being useful outside his antics might've been wrong. I'll admit that and reiterate the rest of my argument that isn't hurt at all by your correction.

Now, wheres your defense to the absolutely endless lines you've had torn apart? What about the countless paragraphs you've avoided, using such pussy-esque excuses like "I don't want to go in circles" which you almost immediately contradicted by picking the argument right back up with me and running around in circles even more?

If one questionable line makes me look stupid, then one can only imagine the title you deserve for your 15-20.

And even with that confessiona side, yes Rangers seem to perform better with him there but Dallas sure as hell didn't. He was a plague to that team whether they tried to use him to excuse too much or not. Its no fact that what I said was wrong, it is a fact that you've avoided countless arguments in this thread that you've been too dumbfounded to come up with a refute too, so to hear you try to make the point that someone else looks stupid here is ironic, to say the least.

Kyle
04-06-2009, 10:15 PM
nyrblue, I think the Simon, Pronger, etc. incidents did incite the "reaction" you are mentioning, did they not? I recall after each incident there was a thread here about how it was dirty and these guys should be suspended, does not belong in the NHL, etc.

The difference, and why there seems to be more "indignation" with Avery is that its was easier to agree with a skate stomp being dirty, or a lumberjack swing. So everyone agrees, case closed, leave it to the league to decide.

I don't think Avery's antics are comparable to the others, nor do I think anyone is saying a stick tap is worse than a lumberjack swing to the chin.

Exactly. I believe I asked multiple times to please show me anybody who says this is a bigger deal than what guys like Bertuzzi do. Bertuzzi got a hell of a punishment for what he did, and hes been pretty damn respectable since hes come back. Avery tops himself each time hes slapped on the wrist. And its never within the context of the game either, its constantly irrelevant nonsense used to draw a spotlight. Again, circus sideshow sums up his entire character. It amazes me that there is anybody willing to defend him, or even anybody who doesn't disapprove of what he brings to the sport.

nyihater4life
04-07-2009, 10:58 PM
I'm not saying that these guys actually should get banned for life, but I do think they would deserve it more than Avery:

Simon
Pronger
Downie
Hollweg
J. Ruutu
Tootoo
Bertuzzi

McSorley
C. Lemieux
Clarke

These guys go out there (or used to go out there) and try to hurt people. Avery, while annoying, does not try to hurt people. Call him a wimp, call him all talk.....you're right. Sure he hits and fights, but he doesn't go around doing the dangerous things that these other guys do so frequently. It really is 2 completely different realms, so I guess it's tough to compare, but I just can't understand how a shit-disturber is public enemy #1, when dangerous players go unnoticed (exaggeration of course).

Didnt I just fucking say this before? So im a homer for saying it but your not? your a fuckin douche bag, dude. so you can me a homer after making the same point as me? :wtf:

LIKE IVE SAID. Avery is merely a pest and nothing close to the EXACT names you list as I.



Pronger is FAR worse then Avery will ever be. At least he isnt injurin people on purpose(like Pronger). its called instigating, that is Averys role.


you kno who else is far worse then Avery? Simon. Whackin people in the face? Come on now. At least Avery isnt like REAL douches

how is that any different then what NYRblue said? Its the same point he is making as me!!

Kyle
04-07-2009, 11:12 PM
My God, I almost feel bad for you. You're just so damn stupid.

We've already refuted the point about the more dangerous players. Either read that and refute it or shut the hell up and quit your bitching because there is absolutely no comparison between the points you and NYR have tried to bring up in this thread aside from the fact that you both agree there are worse players. Lines drawn there.

NYR was simply responding to a question that I asked about who people would rather see gone before Avery. He didn't come in blurting out more dangerous names than Avery (Despite it being totally isnignificant to the argument) like you did to try to justify Avery's bullshit. Way to skim through the thread and make a total idiot out of yourself.

Just because you two shared the vague idea that there are worse players to the league than Avery doesn't suddenly mean you aren't a braindead homer nor does it mean NYR can't disagree with you. You're a homer because you turn into a fucking idiot regarding any subject about the Rangers and simply blindly support the Ranger's side. NYR has been levelheaded as can be when discussing his favorite team.

nyihater4life
04-07-2009, 11:21 PM
My God, I almost feel bad for you. You're just so damn stupid.

We've already refuted the point about the more dangerous players. Either read that and refute it or shut the hell up and quit your bitching because there is absolutely no comparison between the points you and NYR have tried to bring up in this thread aside from the fact that you both agree there are worse players. Lines drawn there.

NYR was simply responding to a question that I asked about who people would rather see gone before Avery. He didn't come in blurting out more dangerous names than Avery (Despite it being totally isnignificant to the argument) like you did to try to justify Avery's bullshit. Way to skim through the thread and make a total idiot out of yourself.

Just because you two shared the vague idea that there are worse players to the league than Avery doesn't suddenly mean you aren't a braindead homer nor does it mean NYR can't disagree with you. You're a homer because you turn into a fucking idiot regarding any subject about the Rangers and simply blindly support the Ranger's side. NYR has been levelheaded as can be when discussing his favorite team.

yea:rolleyes:


fuck this site. peace.

nyrblue2
04-08-2009, 07:25 PM
Didnt I just fucking say this before? So im a homer for saying it but your not? your a fuckin douche bag, dude. so you can me a homer after making the same point as me? :wtf:

LIKE IVE SAID. Avery is merely a pest and nothing close to the EXACT names you list as I.



Pronger is FAR worse then Avery will ever be. At least he isnt injurin people on purpose(like Pronger). its called instigating, that is Averys role.


you kno who else is far worse then Avery? Simon. Whackin people in the face? Come on now. At least Avery isnt like REAL douches

how is that any different then what NYRblue said? Its the same point he is making as me!!
What the hell are you talking about? Not once did I ever call you a homer, so I don't know where you got that from. Other people did, but not me.

The only thing I disagreed with you in this thread about was saying that Thomas deserved to get whacked for stretching so far out of the crease. I think that's crazy, lol. And that's the only reason why people were calling homerism on this topic. Everything else I agreed with you on.

Gambit
04-12-2009, 10:53 PM
yea:rolleyes:


fuck this site. peace.


you forgot something:

http://www.yellowman.dk/images/medium/personlige/n4015400007098_MED.jpg

MrScientist
04-12-2009, 10:56 PM
Lol Gambit, take a few days to articulate that one? :p

Doctego
04-12-2009, 10:56 PM
Do you really need to resurrect a thread that is 4 days gone and interject yourself into a dispute between 2 people that are no longer here??

keyboard
04-13-2009, 10:27 AM
It's no corky image, but it'll do. Way to pick up the slack for Kyle's absense, you douche. :lol:

Gambit
04-13-2009, 05:46 PM
It's no corky image, but it'll do. Way to pick up the slack for Kyle's absense, you douche. :lol: Poor Kyle...I think us veterans should be unbannable. Is unbannable a word? If not, it is now lol


Do you really need to resurrect a thread that is 4 days gone and interject yourself into a dispute between 2 people that are no longer here?? I didn't know why Kyle was banned and someone left a link to that thread in the "don't be an asshole" thread in the off-topic forum. So yeah, after reading all this bullshit, I felt that the response I left was necessary, regardless of how old the thread was, or whether or not the people involved in the argument were still here.


Lol Gambit, take a few days to articulate that one?
my head hurts

toronto1979
02-10-2011, 11:40 PM
I needed to read this thread again to remind me why I hate Avery. Every once and a while he goes and does something like this which makes me not want to hate him even though I still do:


"If there’s a kid in Canada or wherever, who is playing and really loves the game and wants to keep playing but he’s worried about coming out, I’d tell him to pick up the phone and call [NHLPA executive director] Donald Fehr and tell him to book me a [plane] ticket…I’ll stand beside him in the dressing room while he tells his teammates he is gay. Maybe if Sean Avery is there, they would have less of a problem with it."
Sean Avery, on serving as a support system for gay players (via Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Gay-hockey-players-celebrate-legacy-of-late-Bren;_ylt=AkMmpSBxTaLTyFMkmIMcMGtivLYF?urn=nhl-317284))

madsci
02-11-2011, 10:31 AM
I needed to read this thread again to remind me why I hate Avery. Every once and a while he goes and does something like this which makes me not want to hate him even though I still do:


Sean Avery, on serving as a support system for gay players (via Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Gay-hockey-players-celebrate-legacy-of-late-Bren;_ylt=AkMmpSBxTaLTyFMkmIMcMGtivLYF?urn=nhl-317284))

Bonus points for the pro-gay stance. -10 for referring to himself in the third person.

Anyway, Matt Cooke is the new Sean Avery. Avery looks cartoonish compared to Cooke's total douchey disregard for others.

Cooke: "It wasn't my intention to put him into the board violently. He played the rest of the game... I'm responsible for myself. I'm not going to leave myself in a vulnerable position two feet from the boards when I know someone's coming."

Right, Tyutin deserved it.

Avery may be a loudmouth with an ego, but Cooke is a dangerous, dirty player.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Matt-Cooke-Wasn-t-my-intention-to-put-him-into?urn=nhl-320071&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Lemelin is Pulgasari
02-15-2011, 07:32 PM
^ This is why Lemieux's recent comments kinda ring hollow with me.

As for Avery, much respect to him for those comments.