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King_Killah
08-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Wide receiver Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) is going to get an MRI done on his bad hamstring. Coach Ken Whisenhunt said it's just precautionary, but you never know. I think the Cards had hoped Boldin would be OK by now. I know Boldin thought he would be OK by now. Whisenhunt said Boldin's rehab has been steady and he can jog, but when Q tries to open it up, he can still feel the problem.

The team saying that it is precautionary also asserts that they believe that it can be more serious than just a strain.

King_Killah
08-01-2008, 11:11 AM
"I know at this point last year, I had no clue," Leinart acknowledged candidly. "A little bit, but really had no clue what was going on. This year, I feel like I do. I have a command of the offense."

Perhaps news like this will elevate Leinart's value. He does have a pretty damn good offense around him. If everything jells for him in the pre-season, he could actually have a pretty strong fantasy season.

King_Killah
08-19-2008, 01:03 PM
ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting that Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) is once again demanding to be traded from the Arizona Cardinals. Boldin is unhappy with his current contract and is believed to be seeking a similar contract to WR Larry Fitzgerald (http://www.footballguys.com/FitzLa00-1.php).

Send him to Atlanta for Joe Horn!

FlyGuy78
08-19-2008, 03:46 PM
Send him to Atlanta for Joe Horn!

you'd have to send the whole cheerleading squad to blow the coaches and owner to get that deal done!! :D

King_Killah
08-19-2008, 09:00 PM
you'd have to send the whole cheerleading squad to blow the coaches and owner to get that deal done!! :D

OK....done!

FlyGuy78
08-20-2008, 09:56 AM
If Boldin wants out of ARI, he would be more than welcome in OAK. He would probably get twice what he's getting in ARI, knowing Grandpa Al!!! :D

King_Killah
08-20-2008, 01:22 PM
After many comments from his agent, Drew Rosenhaus and rumors of trade demands, Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) has finally made a statement. "At the beginning of camp, I hadn't asked for a trade. But…recently we did," Boldin said. Boldin claimed he is being treated unfairly by the team and that his relationship with HC Ken Whisenhunt has become strained.
"My whole thing is if I'm not going be treated fairly and my hard work and loyalty isn't going to be rewarded here, then let me go somewhere where it will be rewarded.

"That's how I feel and I'll continue to feel that way."

The relationship with Whisenhunt was strained when the coach became involved in the contract talks.

"That's where it became a problem. … I think it should be completely separated," Boldin said referring to the coaching and negotiating roles. "I think that's why we have a department that deals with that."

"The deals they put on the table were slaps in the face as opposed to deals that would take care of me," Boldin told the NFL Network Monday. "For me, it's an uncomfortable situation. I feel lied to by the organization. It's hard for them to ask me to give me my all when it hasn't been reciprocated."

Nevertheless, Whisenhunt said the Cardinals are still counting on Boldin:

"We're excited about our football team and the progress we're making. And we're looking forward to the season," he said. "There are a lot of guys who are counting on Anquan because he's a good football player. So nothing has changed as far as that goes."

Boldin is absolutely right on his point of Whisenhunt getting involved in the contract dispute...

FlyGuy78
08-20-2008, 02:43 PM
i'm sry, but i think that ARI is retarded for not giving Boldin what he wants. Him and Fitz together with Leinart for years to come could be the best passing game in the league.

King_Killah
08-25-2008, 03:56 PM
i'm sry, but i think that ARI is retarded for not giving Boldin what he wants. Him and Fitz together with Leinart for years to come could be the best passing game in the league.

Leinart even can't get it this year...



The Arizona Cardinals named Kurt Warner (http://www.footballguys.com/WarnKu00-1.php) as the team's starting quarterback. Matt Leinart (http://www.footballguys.com/LeinMa00-1.php)'s poor performance Saturday night against the Oakland Raiders probably sealed the decision. Leinart had three interceptions in the first half and completed just 4 of 12 passes for 24 yards. His passer rating was 2.8. The Cardinals won the game 24-0. The source said Leinart's training-camp performance has been uneven, and the Cardinals are concerned about his arm strength and consistency.

There is no reason why the Cards can't be a legit offensive threat, regardless of who is at QB with Fitz, Boldin, James, etc. Let's see if Warner can get it done or if Leinart will be the #1 by week 3...

FlyGuy78
08-25-2008, 04:50 PM
Like i said, Warner was the best Fantasy QB in the 2nd half of the season last year. I think the Cards are better with him at QB than Leinart. This also makes me very happy since I may be taking Fitz with my first pick in my $$$ league.

King_Killah
08-25-2008, 06:48 PM
Like i said, Warner was the best Fantasy QB in the 2nd half of the season last year. I think the Cards are better with him at QB than Leinart. This also makes me very happy since I may be taking Fitz with my first pick in my $$$ league.

So you think the Cards are better with him, yet your last post says that the Cards offense could be great for years to come with Fitz, Boldin, and Leinart. Make up your mind.

FlyGuy78
08-25-2008, 07:25 PM
So you think the Cards are better with him, yet your last post says that the Cards offense could be great for years to come with Fitz, Boldin, and Leinart. Make up your mind.

It COULD be great for years if and when Leinart gets his head out of his ass.

This is also the same QB you said the Raiders should have picked instead of going with Huff. Looks like so far the Raiders are winning that battle.

King_Killah
08-25-2008, 07:39 PM
It COULD be great for years if and when Leinart gets his head out of his ass.

This is also the same QB you said the Raiders should have picked instead of going with Huff. Looks like so far the Raiders are winning that battle.

And what exactly have the Raiders done since drafting Huff???? Jack shit... If they drafted Leinart, they would have had a QB well groomed at this point. Leinart is still better than Warner. Leinart should have the spot in Arizona. Leinart will regain the spot in Arizona.

FlyGuy78
08-26-2008, 06:58 AM
And what exactly have the Raiders done since drafting Huff???? Jack shit... If they drafted Leinart, they would have had a QB well groomed at this point. Leinart is still better than Warner. Leinart should have the spot in Arizona. Leinart will regain the spot in Arizona.

Huff has been a better player to the Raiders than Leinart has been to the Cards.

And why would the Raiders already have a well groomed Leinart if he can't even do well in ARI with FITZ and BOLDIN let alone the piece of shits he would have here? Leinart is better than Warner, he should have the spot in ARI, and most likely (due to Warner fucking up somehow) will regain the spot in ARI............BUT......should of, could of, would of isn't good enough in the NFL!!

King_Killah
08-26-2008, 10:48 AM
A little kink in the reports...


Arizona Cardinals HC Ken Whisenhunt is refuting a report that he has decided to use Kurt Warner (http://www.footballguys.com/WarnKu00-1.php) over Matt Leinart (http://www.footballguys.com/LeinMa00-1.php) as the team's starting QB. Whisenhunt said nothing has changed since Saturday night's preseason win at Oakland and that he hadn't even looked at tape from the game to make any decision. "I haven't read the paper today or seen the Internet," Whisenhunt said. "Do we have a quarterback? ...It seems like Chris Mortensen is making the decision on our quarterback for our football team. ...But nothing has changed."

It still looks like Warner will get the spot, however, I suppose to be fair we should wait until Arizona "officially" announces it.

King_Killah
08-31-2008, 09:18 AM
Official:


Coach Ken Whisenhunt said Saturday that Kurt Warner (http://www.footballguys.com/WarnKu00-1.php) would be the starter over Matt Leinart (http://www.footballguys.com/LeinMa00-1.php) when Arizona opens its season Sept. 7 at San Francisco.

Yippee skippee...

Spartan
04-28-2009, 10:29 PM
Cards release Edge, Rod Hood and Travis LaBoy.

two24four
04-28-2009, 11:04 PM
Once the Cards drafted Wells you just knew Edge was pretty much gone.

King_Killah
04-30-2009, 06:45 PM
Once the Cards drafted Wells you just knew Edge was pretty much gone.

You knew they were going RB well before their pick, the ticker on the bottomline kept flashing "Edgerrin James OK with the way the team is heading." And stuff like that.

King_Killah
04-30-2009, 06:51 PM
Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Arizona Cardinals received two firm trade offers for WR Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) and neither involved a first-round draft pick. The Chicago Bears acknowledged offering a second-round pick, No. 49 overall, for Boldin. And Graves said another team offered a draft pick and players.

Hmm... The best offer was a 2nd. Kinda makes one wonder how other teams value Boldin. I am not sure if he is worth a 1st, but definitely more than a 2nd.

two24four
04-30-2009, 07:08 PM
You knew they were going RB well before their pick, the ticker on the bottomline kept flashing "Edgerrin James OK with the way the team is heading." And stuff like that.

Yeah I know, all the talk was if Wells fell to them they would be taking him.

dw13
05-02-2009, 12:42 PM
Yeah I know, all the talk was if Wells fell to them they would be taking him.

If they had the choice between Brown or Wells. My money was easily on Brown. I didn't expect Donald to go ahead of Wells either.

Brown fits their offense much better.

King_Killah
05-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Steve Wyche, of NFL.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals continue to work on a contract extension for WR Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php). Team president Michael Bidwell said, "We've worked hard at getting Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) extended and we'll continue to do those things." Boldin's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said that Boldin is still open to be traded but a deal can't be reached. Rosenhaus said he has made a proposal for a deal that would average less than $10 million a year and that the numbers are "consistent with the top receivers in the game. Not the highest paid but it's consistent with the top guys."

This I absolutely think is inthe best interest of the Cardinals. Don't trade Boldin. Keep him. Pay him. Maybe not as much as Larry Fitz, but pay him.

King_Killah
05-28-2009, 11:17 AM
Mike Sando, of ESPN.com, reports Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin (http://www.footballguys.com/BoldAn00-1.php) has informed agent Drew Rosenhaus, the Arizona Cardinals and the NFL Players Association of plans to fire Rosenhaus amid stalled attempts to force a trade or a new contract.

Good for Boldin. Rosenhaus is a douche who really only cares about his percentage. NFL rules state that five days must pass between firing and hiring agents. Saturday was the beginning of that period, so he could hire someone as soon as today.

King_Killah
07-28-2009, 08:29 PM
Kent Somers, of the Arizona Republic, reports that he thinks Tim Hightower (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/HighTi00-1.php) will open the season as the Cardinals starter at RB because he is better at picking up blitzes and catching the ball than rookie first-round pick Chris Wells (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/WellCh00-1.php). Somers writes, "My guess is that Hightower is the starter when the season begins, with Wells possibly taking over later in the year, if he deserves it."

Bank on this... Hightower will start the season as the #1. Wells, I am not so sure he deserves to be a #1. For me, he is more of a Reggie Bush-type guy who needs another guy to take the focus.

two24four
01-10-2010, 10:32 PM
Wow, what a game that was.

Spartan
01-10-2010, 10:57 PM
Wow, what a game that was.Better yet a 51-45 game was won on a defensive play.:lol:

Kyle
01-11-2010, 01:57 AM
Warner and Rogers are two of the best QBs in the league. Two future hall of famers fucking CLASHING. What a fucking game, Warner HAD to have gotten a 158.3 perfect rating, he must've been 80%+ completion, 370+ yards, 5 TD, no int, holy shit he had absolutely no trouble stomping the Packers top rated pass defense at ANY point in the game.

Hockeyis#1
01-11-2010, 09:01 AM
Wow, what a game that was.
Thankfully there was one good game this weekend. All the others were one sided dominations.

The Packers need a pass rusher. Warner had all day, every snap it seemed.

dw13
01-11-2010, 10:17 AM
Thankfully there was one good game this weekend. All the others were one sided dominations.

The Packers need a pass rusher. Warner had all day, every snap it seemed.

Clay Matthews is young. He had a really good season, Bridges had another awesome day against a good pass rusher. That D line really slacked today.

FlyGuy78
01-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Warner and Rogers are two of the best QBs in the league. Two future hall of famers fucking CLASHING. What a fucking game, Warner HAD to have gotten a 158.3 perfect rating, he must've been 80%+ completion, 370+ yards, 5 TD, no int, holy shit he had absolutely no trouble stomping the Packers top rated pass defense at ANY point in the game.

Please don't call Aaron Rodgers a HoFer just yet. Warner is in, but Rodgers is no lock even as good as he is.

dw13
01-11-2010, 10:46 AM
Please don't call Aaron Rodgers a HoFer just yet. Warner is in, but Rodgers is no lock even as good as he is.

I just left that alone. Rodgers is two years into his starting career, lets not jump to conclusions just yet. :lol:

Kyle
01-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Oh please. You think ANY QB consistently throwing 4000+ yards in this passing era won't get in? Get real. Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, they're all getting in barring injury, hands down.

You think the league is going to call eachother and become run first over night? Rodgers is going to shit on Favre's records in Green Bay with monster seasons. He had one of the best second years in QB history.

I mean really, injury is the single only thing that could stop him. Unless the HoF committee gets together and says "Look, we know these QB numbers are unreal, but its become too common and we'll have to raise the standard for an amazing season to 5000 yards," then there is just no way they can keep him out if he consistently puts up these numbers.

NONE of the consistent 4k throwers of this era will miss the HoF I promise you that. Rodgers will be top 5 in every category for the next decade+.

Kyle
01-11-2010, 02:16 PM
And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.

Hockeyis#1
01-11-2010, 03:24 PM
And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.


The calculation of the NFL quarterback rating involves more steps than the NCAA formula. In order to establish a maximum value for an NFL player's passer rating, a separate calculation needs to be completed involving each of the following four categories: Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. If the result in any category is less than 0, the given result should be 0. If the result in any category is greater than 2.375, the given result should be 2.375. This makes the maximum possible quarterback rating for the NFL 158.3. A perfect rating requires at least a 77.5% completion rate, at least 12.5 yards per attempt, a touchdown on at least 11.875% of attempts, and no interceptions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/e/9/8e96a26843f07da68253c8d7fc4f5ffc.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/d/c/0dc8c251dbabd7b590621b99d77980eb.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/c/1/ec13024712f9962b32b6f252fa2a3c40.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/a/4/ca415d50bb84d216116b471be186408c.png


Then use the above calculations to complete the passer rating:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/d/5/dd5bb1e6f313752da4f1cefd4dae2b50.png


Hope this helps

FlyGuy78
01-11-2010, 03:57 PM
And how the FUCK does Warner get a 154 passing rating and not a 158.3? 88% completion, 370 yards, 5 TDs, 0 int, around 10 yards per attempt, that is arguably the single best stats line I have EVER seen in a professional football game. Way more impressive than some 158.3 games I've seen which had smaller completion %. I just don't see where he loses 4 points.

That is why.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-11-2010, 05:04 PM
w o w

To think, I was working out during this game and was oh so close to turning it off b/c it looked like another boring blow out. Glad I kept the channel on. That was an amazing battle and an oh so fitting finish!

I'm def. on the Cards band wagon this year. Not that I will openly root for them or anything like that but they are NFC (I'd prefer any team in the NFC to win the bowl this year) but I would love to see Whiz and Fitz get it done.. not to mention it wold be a pretty sweet exit for a guy like Warner.

Anyway, great stuff!

Snipes16
01-11-2010, 06:36 PM
Ya know, for as great as Rodgers played in bringing the Pack back, doesn't he in some capacity deserve his share of goathood for that loss?

I'm talking about 2 of the final 3 plays in OT where on 1st down he overthrows a wide open Jennings on the deep ball that with just a touch of air underneath it and Jennings runs straight to the Bayou. Then on 3rd down he gets strip sacked from his strong side and keeps the ball alive inadvertantly with his foot just long enough for Dansby to dash straight to Louisiana.

That may be a tad critical of the guy but in the very end, winning or losing came down to those 2 plays in my view....razor thin, baby.

Kyle
01-11-2010, 08:01 PM
Dude, are you mad? It was his first ever postseason game and he made a 21 point comeback against one of the best quarterbacks in history, fought for performance records along the way, and had to fucking handle overtime against a team that was in the SB last year. Yet you're blaming him for overthrowing a (albeit wide open) long bomb and getting overwhelmed by a rush and fumbling?

He choked in the final moment but the fact is this game was nothing short of remarkable for Aaron Rodgers and should go down in history as one of the all time (Like, top 5 all time) QB duels. These guys picked their team up and carried them as far as they could take them.

Man, you can have the viewpoint that he had a miserable OT, sure. But to imply that it somehow outweighs the significance of what he was able to do, is being stupidly critical.

Aaron Rodgers walks away from his first playoff game extremely successful and Packers fans should be happy because they will get one soon.

Snipes16
01-11-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm not the one putting him into Canton after 2 years, good god with that proclaimation.....just pointing out the fact that he had the ball in his hands last on a day that neither defense could stop the others offense and those 2 "missed" plays execution wise directly led to the Packers losing in OT and in my glass half empty monday morning qb view that does diminish what he did yesterday because when the chips were down with that series in OT he spit the bit.

Other than that he was pissah

Kyle
01-12-2010, 04:11 AM
I'm not the one putting him into Canton after 2 years, good god with that proclaimation


Wait, do we still live in a fantasy world where hall of fames are legit and not just an establishment to honor statistically gifted individuals?

Assuming the answer to that is a no, I can't for the life of me fathom what is so ridiculous about my claim that a QB who is making 4500 yards/30 TD seem very casual in his 2nd year in the NFL will go to the hall of fame if he stays healthy?

Quit acting like the HoF is going to look at anything else. His numbers are huge. If he stays healthy, he is a 100% guarenteed hall of famer, no doubt whatosever. No QB who ever consistently throws for 4000+ yards will be kept out of the hall of fame.

Please, search far and wide for the last QB who put up 8400 yards and 58 TDs in his first two seasons. Then come back and tell me Aaron Rodgers isn't an absolute LOCK for the HoF assuming he stays healthy.


and in my glass half empty monday morning qb view that does diminish what he did yesterday because when the chips were down with that series in OT he spit the bit.

Any rational viewpoint sees Rodger's first postseason game as a gigantic individual success. If you want to dwell on the fact that he simply had nothing left along the lines of focus in that OT after spending 60 minutes carrying his football team and single-handedly orchestrating one of the biggest comebacks in postseason history, then you can. I think you're assanine for not acknowledging what a great game it was by Rodgers, but suit yourself.

eff1ngham
01-12-2010, 04:37 AM
Please, search far and wide for the last QB who put up 8400 yards and 58 TDs in his first two seasons. Then come back and tell me Aaron Rodgers isn't an absolute LOCK for the HoF assuming he stays healthy.

Different situations, but I have my doubts that Drew Bledsoe and Vinny Testaverde will get into the HoF, and they're two of the all-time leaders in yards and TDs

Kyle
01-12-2010, 04:49 AM
Testaverde isn't in the same league as Rogers. He only competes as top all time in some categories because of his longevity. Theres a difference between slowly whittling away at the all time numbers and comming into the league setting records.

Bledsoe is a more valid argument but even his numbers just aren't in the same league. He had a magnificant sophmore season but a very mediocre rookie and 3rd season, Rogers has been nothing but magnicient from his rookie season onwards. Bledsoes career rating was 75, Rogers is already at or around 100 and history proves that the early points of a QB career is the LEAST favorable for QB rating due to high int's thrown. So history says his career rating will only improve which is an absolutely scary outlook considering where its at already.

Rogers' numbers have been astronomical. When has a QB gotten a 93 rating his rookie year? Who has ever gotten more yards or TDs in his first two seasons?

Obviously he can help his case with some SB rings but as far as I'm concerned unless the NFL figures out a way to suddenly stop him, hes going to easily coast into a guarenteed hall of fame seat. His numbers are in a league beyond Bledsoe and at this point in his career, in a league beyond almost any other QB in history.

I see your point but I think we can both agree that Rogers should be projected to end his career well ahead of both Bledsoe and Testaverde.

eff1ngham
01-12-2010, 10:29 AM
I'm not saying A-Rodg hasn't been amazing the last two years. But remember that these also aren't his first two seasons, he's been in the league for five years. Granted at the pace he's going he could still put up record numbers even if he doesn't play for that long, but like I said numbers aren't everything

FlyGuy78
01-12-2010, 11:23 AM
I'm not saying A-Rodg hasn't been amazing the last two years. But remember that these also aren't his first two seasons, he's been in the league for five years. Granted at the pace he's going he could still put up record numbers even if he doesn't play for that long, but like I said numbers aren't everything

Kyle while I agree that if he continues this pace he should get into the HoF, especially considering that at this pace it's a good chance he'll get to play in a lot more playoff games giving him a chance to get a SB ring, I'm just saying that after only 2 years of actually playing, you can't judge a guys career. He could fall apart tomorrow.

Kyle
01-12-2010, 02:33 PM
I truly see no chance of him falling apart. Injuries are all that can really stop him IMO. But I get your guy's point. Obviously nothing is settled in your 2nd year. I just took exception to the notion that my claim was ridiculous when its a pretty safe bet IMO.

Just saying, his numbers in two years are as good as Chris Johnson's. And I think hes a pretty safe bet too.

ih8music
01-29-2010, 04:01 PM
Warner makes it official.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Arizona-Cardinals-quarterback-Kurt-Warner-retires-012910

two24four
01-29-2010, 06:25 PM
So do they go with Leinart, or do they bring in another QB.

Kyle
01-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Give Leinart a chance, he has looked great in flashes.

Warner's retirement speech was pretty cool. Great dude, one of the best stories in NFL history and he'll enjoy a well earned HoF spot. Great season to end on, no SB but he played his best season in many years. All the hype was about Favre playing so great at his age, well Warner is only a few years behind him and he was every bit as good all season (Exception being that 1 blunder with the 5 ints but it happens). If the criteria were just based on your ability to move an offense forward, Warner is definitely a top 5 QB in history (Not calling him top 5 or not, just wanted to throw due props to his arm).

Take a few notes on how to end a career properly, Favre.

FlyGuy78
01-29-2010, 09:18 PM
So do they go with Leinart, or do they bring in another QB.

I've heard rumors that they may try and go for McNabb if possible. Word in ARI is that Leinart just isn't the guy.

Kyle
01-29-2010, 09:22 PM
McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.

FlyGuy78
01-29-2010, 09:28 PM
McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.

And fantasy wise it would help Fitzy and Boldin. I don't see them guys being nearly as productive with Leinart at the helm. Also, if Leinart is the starting QB next year, I can see Whisenhunt going to a run-based offense like he was used to seeing in PIT.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-29-2010, 10:57 PM
McNabb's psychic has already ruled out this possibility. Sorry Fitz/Boldin owners.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Donovan-McNabb-s-psychic-says-he-ll-be-staying-i?urn=nfl,216343

Spartan
01-29-2010, 11:54 PM
Good luck to Warner and his wife Spike. Warner's journey to the NFL was always one of my favorite sports stories.

two24four
01-30-2010, 01:06 AM
Good luck to Warner and his wife Spike. Warner's journey to the NFL was always one of my favorite sports stories.

haha, have you seen her now, she grew her hair in, she's not bad looking now.

Doctego
01-30-2010, 08:43 AM
McNabb would excel in Arizona's offense, IMO.

I'm not so sure. Warner is 1 of the most accurate QB's that I have ever seen. Accuracy just might be McNabb's greatest weakness. That said, Fitzgerald catches anything within 10 yards of him so that would help.

Spartan
01-30-2010, 11:20 AM
McNabb would excel anywhere in the league. He is one of the best.

Kyle
01-30-2010, 12:21 PM
McNabb would excel anywhere in the league. He is one of the best.

I don't necessarily agree ONLY because of the absolutely ridiuculous QB standard we currently experience today. By comaprison of a league with 10-11 4000 yard passers, hes just a good QB.

Doc, you hit the nail on the head, its just that McNab is more than good enough to throw it within those 10 yds. Jackson is a great deep threat but Fitzgerald is a great everything threat and is a reciever McNab simply hasn't been used to throwing to since TO (I consider LF much better than TO when he was on the Eagles). Boldin isn't half bad either. I guess I don't want to necessarily imply that the Cards were built for McNab, moreso I just think he would enjoy the offense more than the Eagle's.

Doctego
01-30-2010, 12:40 PM
In my eyes, Warner is a HOF QB. That said, has there ever been another QB that had his circumstances on his way to a HOF career?? I'm not even talking about bagging groceries and playing in the Arena League. I'm talking about 2 specific breaks that, if not for them, he might have had no career let alone a HOF career. If Trent Green never got hurt in the preseason and if Matt Leinart cared about football as much as he does about pussy, Warner might have been nothing more than an unknown backup.

Apologies for the aside but this intrigues me. You could throw Unitas into the mix. Other than that, I got nothing.

Kyle
01-30-2010, 01:04 PM
Eh ultimately I can't give you a name off the top of my head but I guarentee you plenty of HoF's had injurys (Like Warner's bad concussion to finish his St Louis career) that forced them to earn a starting spot back, and I'm sure many others had to simply sit and wait for years.

As for Trent Green getting injured, well thats probably the most remarkable chapter in Warner's story. The way he immediately showed up and absolutely dominated the league in route to his MVP title is probably the one season that earns him the HoF seat above all others. Its fortunate but again, not unheard of at all. Look at the Collins/Young situation. Its a yearly occurance that a backup at some position will emerge over an injured starter and make a great impact.

But you know, I'm sure tons of HoF's never even would've started in college if some dude ahead of them didn't get injured, and never even make it to the NFL draft. It can't be unheard of or horribly uncommon. I do doub't that anyones had quite as long a list of fortuitous circumstances as Warner (likewise I doubt anyone has had as long a list of BAD circumstance as Warner and still made the HoF).

But I'm a karma guy so I see Warner as getting his due, not getting lucky. Because two opportunities to start an NFL game is the least he deserved for all he did to make it back to the NFL level.

FlyGuy78
01-30-2010, 01:29 PM
If not for Drew Bledsoe going down, you would never know the name Tom Brady!

Doctego
01-30-2010, 06:16 PM
If not for Drew Bledsoe going down, you would never know the name Tom Brady!

Meh. I'm not so sure. I don't think that Belichick really liked Bledsoe in the least so he was waiting to replace him. He just wouldn't have played so soon. Warner's is amazing because he had Green go down and played great and then he was left for dead.

ih8music
01-31-2010, 01:04 AM
In my eyes, Warner is a HOF QB. That said, has there ever been another QB that had his circumstances on his way to a HOF career?? I'm not even talking about bagging groceries and playing in the Arena League. I'm talking about 2 specific breaks that, if not for them, he might have had no career let alone a HOF career. If Trent Green never got hurt in the preseason and if Matt Leinart cared about football as much as he does about pussy, Warner might have been nothing more than an unknown backup.

Apologies for the aside but this intrigues me. You could throw Unitas into the mix. Other than that, I got nothing.

Closest I can think of would be Steve Young. He was a great backup to Montana, but certainly no one was talking HoF until he took over the reins (due to Montana's elbow injury that sidelined him 91-92). And even then, the 49ers struggled that first season with him running the show and Steve Bono took over for a few games (and played very well). IIRC, Young only got his starting spot back because Bono got hurt himself.

Wasn't until the next season that Young really established himself as an elite, every down starting QB and eventually earned his spot in the HoF.

Bubbles & Conkey
02-09-2010, 03:03 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=308922

Good signing by the Cards. Baggs was a great DE for the Riders. He should do well for them.

Very big loss for Saskatchewan though we'll miss Stevie.

Hockeyis#1
02-10-2010, 01:24 AM
If not for Drew Bledsoe going down, you would never know the name Tom Brady!
or Tony Romo (certainly not a HOFer at this point, but still a solid starting QB)

Kyle
02-10-2010, 04:37 AM
or Tony Romo (certainly not a HOFer at this point, but still a solid starting QB)

Yeah, though I will say that like Aaron Rodgers, he simply needs to only do what hes done the last two few years consistently over a full career to lock that seat. Unless a lot changes in terms of public perception of a good QB (While I think the standard is raised its not quite so high that we can say 4000 is anything short of fantastic), his chances are definitely very good.

But who knows, maybe over this next decade of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Romo, and Rodgers constantly throwing 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs every year, the standards might adjust themselves to avoid QBs flooding every class. Right now any QB who ends his career having thrown for those numbers consistently is a guarenteed sure-in but that may not be the case in 10-15 years.

Its a very troubling situation if I'm in the HoF comittee. How do you deny any of these QBs if they keep pace through their careers when theres QBs in the HoF who could never sniff the production that all these guys are doing casually. The passing numbers across different eras are so drastically different that it comes down to this: Are QBs better or is the game more passing friendly? The latter is obviously true to an extent but I think the former is also very true, I think we currently have far and beyond the best cast of QBs in NFL history in this era (And moving forward) and I can name about 10 of them starting right now who truly deserve to be in the HoF based on their ability to throw the ball compared to QBs currently in the HoF. Again, the amount of 4000+ yard passers this year, was just staggering. Obviously leadership and whatnot is always to be considered but thats not something you can easily debate like raw numbers.

Its going to definitely be interesting when these guys retire and start becomming eligible. Manning and Brady are obviously 1st ballat picks. But I can definitely see some of this stud class of QBs getting screwed by the fact that the others got their HoF chance before them. Something like"Sorry, you're the 10th QB this decade with 50,000+ yards and 300+ TDs, its just not impressive anymore."

b_illin
02-10-2010, 12:25 PM
Yeah, though I will say that like Aaron Rodgers, he simply needs to only do what hes done the last two few years consistently over a full career to lock that seat. Unless a lot changes in terms of public perception of a good QB (While I think the standard is raised its not quite so high that we can say 4000 is anything short of fantastic), his chances are definitely very good.

But who knows, maybe over this next decade of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Romo, and Rodgers constantly throwing 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs every year, the standards might adjust themselves to avoid QBs flooding every class. Right now any QB who ends his career having thrown for those numbers consistently is a guarenteed sure-in but that may not be the case in 10-15 years.

Its a very troubling situation if I'm in the HoF comittee. How do you deny any of these QBs if they keep pace through their careers when theres QBs in the HoF who could never sniff the production that all these guys are doing casually. The passing numbers across different eras are so drastically different that it comes down to this: Are QBs better or is the game more passing friendly? The latter is obviously true to an extent but I think the former is also very true, I think we currently have far and beyond the best cast of QBs in NFL history in this era (And moving forward) and I can name about 10 of them starting right now who truly deserve to be in the HoF based on their ability to throw the ball compared to QBs currently in the HoF. Again, the amount of 4000+ yard passers this year, was just staggering. Obviously leadership and whatnot is always to be considered but thats not something you can easily debate like raw numbers.

Its going to definitely be interesting when these guys retire and start becomming eligible. Manning and Brady are obviously 1st ballad picks. But I can definitely see some of this stud class of QBs getting screwed by the fact that the others got their HoF chance before them. Something like"Sorry, you're the 10th QB this decade with 50,000+ yards and 300+ TDs, its just not impressive anymore."

Very different game these days is how (as you touched upon). The league is geared to passing as opposed to the traditional run run run approach. Not saying these guys won't get in, but that would be the excuse used. Time will tell.

two24four
03-05-2010, 06:48 PM
Sounds like ARI traded Boldin to the Ravens for 3rd and 4th round draft picks.

dw13
03-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Sounds like ARI traded Boldin to the Ravens for 3rd and 4th round draft picks.

Just happy the Pats didn't get him.

Kyle
03-05-2010, 06:57 PM
Man, teams overvalue draft picks. Boldin is pro bowl quality, easily, 3rd and 4th seems like a steal for the Ravens.

b_illin
03-07-2010, 11:50 AM
Man, teams overvalue draft picks. Boldin is pro bowl quality, easily, 3rd and 4th seems like a steal for the Ravens.

Totally agree. (and as a Steelers fan, I am not happy he's in the division now)

Kyle
03-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Totally agree. (and as a Steelers fan, I am not happy he's in the division now)

Yeah, every bit as good as Marshal who pulled in a first and could've maybe gotten a 1st and 3rd. Makes no sense to me but thats why I'm not in the biz.

He adds a crucial needed element that Ravens offense, they should be good to go next year with him, Rice, and Flacco leading the way.

dw13
03-07-2010, 12:51 PM
Yeah, every bit as good as Marshal who pulled in a first and could've maybe gotten a 1st and 3rd. Makes no sense to me but thats why I'm not in the biz.

He adds a crucial needed element that Ravens offense, they should be good to go next year with him, Rice, and Flacco leading the way.

I would not say he's as good as Marshall talent wise. Marshall is a ball catching machine with the ability to break a game completely open.

But for the value they got Boldin with, and the type of fit he seems to be with what Baltimore is trying to do, it definitely seems like the better of the two moves for THIS team.

Marshall without the off-field BS, has a valid argument for the best receiver in the game today.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Marshall without the off-field BS, has a valid argument for the best receiver in the game today.

That I won't agree with. But I think Marshal and Boldin both are arguably top 5's.

dw13
03-07-2010, 01:02 PM
That I won't agree with. But I think Marshal and Boldin both are arguably top 5's.

I can make a stronger argument as Marshall being the best WR in the league, over Boldin being top 5.

And I really like Boldin's game.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Marshal is no Larry Fitzgerald, I'd love to see the argument that says hes better, and Boldin being top 5 currently is hardly an argument but a statistical fact over the last 5-6 years (On a per-game basis).

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:06 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm

Not the end-all stat but its an incredibly significant number. Boldin is the fucking man.

dw13
03-07-2010, 01:10 PM
Marshal is no Larry Fitzgerald, I'd love to see the argument that says hes better, and Boldin being top 5 currently is hardly an argument but a statistical fact over the last 5-6 years (On a per-game basis).

It's between Marshall, Fitz and Andre Johnson for #1 for me.

Marshall has been in the league 4 seasons, he has THREE straight 100 reception seasons and if he hits 4, I think the only other player to do that in NFL history is Marvin Harrison? That's a pretty damn impressive stat for someone that's barely been in the league. Not to mention playing with no real #2 receiver with him.

Fitz is definitely every bit as good, and a TD monster. He's also played with Boldin so he has had a partner in crime so they couldn't roll coverage to him like they did Marshall.

Andre Johnson for me is the #1 receiver in the league. He does it all.

Those are my top 3, really in any order but Marshall IS in that discussion for #1.

As for better receivers I'd take right now over Boldin?

In no order: Marshall, Fitz, Johnson, Welker, Calvin Johnson, Wayne, Ocho and Steve Smith (CAR).

I'd take those without question, and there are others like Colston, Roddy, Jennings, Holmes that are all in the mix for me over Boldin.

But as I said, Boldin IS the toughest WR in the league, over Welker. Boldin will do all the dirty routes and blocks with the best of them. Such a great fit for Baltimore, he's a stud.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:22 PM
Boldin would've opened his career with 3 straight 100 reception seasons if he didn't miss half his sophmore season.

Welker, Wayne, Ocho are not in Boldin's league. Welker doesn't deserve comparison to anyone but pure slot recievers. He doesn't do any of the truly talented things done by the other guys on your list every game. Welker can go 6-7 games wihtout having to make a difficult catch. Hes a tough son of a bitch but he is not a top recieving talent in this league and is only as good as the system hes a part of.

Wayne has benefitted from a quarterback more than any WR in league history over an entire career. Hes older now and as a talent is nowhere near Boldin at the present. Maybe in his prime, but not in the present.

Ochosinco? Really? Hes a stud, but thats just insanity to call him better than Boldin, in his prime or in his current age. Not even close, Boldin is just plain better.

Andre Johnson is an obvious one.

My rough list would go (Any players grouped together aren't in exact order, so Fitzgerald and Johnson are both #1/#2).

1-2) Andre Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald (Andre's reasons are obvious but I swear there might not be a person in NFL history who can make the play on a ball like Fitzgerald can. Absolutely embarasses defenders in perfect coverage constantly).
3-8) Calvin Johnson, Sidney Rice (This is way early but oh my Lord is this dude spectacular), Anquan Boldin, Brendan Marshal, Randy Moss (You forget about him??), Miles Austin (Him too?? He isn't going anywhere, this dudes no fluke).
8-11) Wayne, Ochosinco, Welker, Steve Smith (panthers)

Then everyone else.



so they couldn't roll coverage to him like they did Marshall.


Eh, I don't think this gives Marshal an edge in the debate. Ultimately when they're rolling coverage on you that means no one else on your team is worth shit so you're still getting all the looks. Solo recievers have always done great through league history, what you lose through double coverage, you gain through increased looks. So I don't buy that Marshall's numbers are any more impressive.

dw13
03-07-2010, 01:23 PM
Fair enough. We have some different opinions, but we both can agree Baltimore got a hell of a receiver and seemingly a perfect fit.

PS: Johnson can make the same play on the ball that Fitz can, the world just doesn't seen enough of him.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:26 PM
Yeah, Baltimore is going to be an offensive machine next year. They were right there this year, so close to a great offense, and Boldin is a BIG push in the right direction.

And of course Johnson can make plays on the ball. What can't he do? But Fitzgerald's verticle is mindblowing and while I'm sure Johnsons done it tons of times, he seems to make an impossible leap and grab once or twice a game.

dw13
03-07-2010, 01:28 PM
Yeah, Baltimore is going to be an offensive machine next year. They were right there this year, so close to a great offense, and Boldin is a BIG push in the right direction.

And of course Johnson can make plays on the ball. What can't he do? But Fitzgerald's verticle is mindblowing and while I'm sure Johnsons done it tons of times, he seems to make an impossible leap and grab once or twice a game.

I'm interested to see Boldin work without Fitz and with a run-first team. I have no questions about what Boldin can/can't do, but it'll definitely be a change for him.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:31 PM
Well Marshall going to the Seahawks (If he does) will be quite a change too:lol:

dw13
03-07-2010, 01:34 PM
Well Marshall going to the Seahawks (If he does) will be quite a change too:lol:

Not as much though because of the fact that Marshall worked with both the Seahawks new OC, Jeremy Bates and their new WR coach. The problem might be the QB, but if Marshall can catch the ball 100 times from Kyle Orton, I don't doubt Marshall being able to do it with anyone.

A change nonetheless though.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Yeah the QB issue is what concerns me but both recievers will do fine I'm sure.

Dubz
03-17-2010, 12:00 PM
Cards sign QB Anderson

http://twitter.com/Cardschatter/status/10626770442

two24four
03-17-2010, 02:34 PM
Cards sign QB Anderson

http://twitter.com/Cardschatter/status/10626770442

Matt Leinart must love this.

Hockeyis#1
03-18-2010, 09:54 AM
It seems like no one has ever had much faith in Matt Leinart to be a solid starter.

King_Killah
04-22-2010, 09:17 PM
Dan Williams.

King_Killah
04-23-2010, 06:16 PM
Daryl Washington. Like this pick here.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-28-2010, 01:44 AM
NEVER saw this one coming. :rolleyes:

Faneca is a Stee... I mean Cardinal.

dw13
04-28-2010, 09:19 AM
NEVER saw this one coming. :rolleyes:

Faneca is a Stee... I mean Cardinal.

Arizona is just a mix of Steelers and Jets now. :p

b_illin
04-28-2010, 10:32 AM
Whis loves his ex-steelers!

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
09-01-2010, 06:15 PM
Looks like Wiz isn't much of a fan of Leinart though. Appears to be on the block in Arizona.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
09-05-2010, 01:46 AM
:wave: Leinart saga in Arizona comes to an end.

Somebody is bound to snag him even if he is all "Hollywood" ?


The problem is that Leinart wasn’t so down with his teammates. The belief is that every time something got hard, Leinart folded. He is the anti-Kurt Warner (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4541/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4541/news), a guy who worked his way from stock boy to NFL MVP.

Warner, who started the past two years and led the Cardinals on the most successful two-season run by the team in more than 50 years, retired after putting on a clinic on mental and physical toughness.

”Kurt was a man,” another player said. ”He’d get the crap knocked out him and never say [anything]. He was playing with half his body banged up, needing surgery, and he’d give you that Kurt, positive-attitude stuff. He was the real deal … Matt? Whatever. He gets a hangnail and he’s whining.”

b_illin
09-05-2010, 12:25 PM
Buffalo is my guess for Leinart.

two24four
09-06-2010, 10:26 AM
He signed with the Texans.

King_Killah
04-28-2011, 07:32 PM
Patrick Peterson.

Spartan
07-28-2011, 01:54 PM
Kolb a done deal for DRC and 2nd rounder.

Edit: Then he signs an extension 5yrs./$63 mil. Good god that is almost as bad as the Matt Cassel deal.

King_Killah
07-31-2011, 06:48 PM
Kolb a done deal for DRC and 2nd rounder.

Edit: Then he signs an extension 5yrs./$63 mil. Good god that is almost as bad as the Matt Cassel deal.

.....and to think he only started 7 games, and went 3-4 (correct me if I am wrong) at that. At least Cassel played a full season. The only positive for Kolb is that he has a happy Fitzgerald. I guess a 2nd positive is that he now plays in an awful division that can be won at a .500 record (or worse). I think they can beat the SeaFrauds. I think they can handle the 49ers and Rams, too.