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King_Killah
06-12-2008, 02:29 PM
Well..... If Flacco is the saviour of Baltimore, his job just got a little bit tougher... Although I would much rather have Flacco out there regardless of the circumstances then that douche Kyle Boller.


Facing a toe injury that he knew would hinder his ability, Baltimore Ravens LT Jonathan Ogden said today that he will announce his retirement tomorrow. Ogden, 33, has been voted to the Pro Bowl in 11 of 12 NFL seasons. "It took a little while to decide," Ogden said. "You just can't make a decision like this overnight."

1st player ever drafted by the Baltimore Ravens -- AS THE RAVENS not going back to Cleveland days.

Pro-Bowl 11 of 12 seasons.

Odds are pretty great he will become the first ever player elected to the Ravens Hall of Fame.

I'd say he done well.

FlyGuy78
06-12-2008, 03:47 PM
Oh he should get into Ravens HOF in a heartbeat. He has done great over his career. It's a shame he will be gone.............for Flacco that is!! :D

King_Killah
07-15-2008, 11:29 AM
The Baltimore Ravens are expected to meet again next week with the agent for first-round quarterback Joe Flacco (http://www.footballguys.com/FlacJo00-1.php), who's slated to compete for a starting job with Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php) and Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php). The Ravens have had four meetings with Flacco's agent and are intent on signing Flacco so he can report on time for training camp July 21 in Westminster. Flacco has expressed confidence that a proposed five-year contract will be completed soon although his agent sounded like there wasn't a big rush. "Nothing cooking right now," said agent Joe Linta, who represents Flacco. "I will probably talk to the Ravens again next week."

This one is pretty simple. Pay Flacco. Unless you want to go another season with Boller and Troy Smith. If Flacco sits out camp, there is a small chance that he will play this year, like JaMarcus Russell last year and Philip Rivers a few years ago. Give him some money. Get him in camp. Give him the ball. Shit on Boller.

King_Killah
07-17-2008, 10:45 AM
This one is pretty simple. Pay Flacco. Unless you want to go another season with Boller and Troy Smith. If Flacco sits out camp, there is a small chance that he will play this year, like JaMarcus Russell last year and Philip Rivers a few years ago. Give him some money. Get him in camp. Give him the ball. Shit on Boller.

To update Flacco.... They got it done.




The Baltimore Ravens and rookie first-round pick Joe Flacco (http://www.footballguys.com/FlacJo00-1.php) agreed to a five-year contract worth up to $30 million, agent Joe Linta said Wednesday night. The deal includes $8.75 million in guaranteed money.
The signing ensures that Flacco will have a fair chance to compete for the starting quarterback job in Baltimore when the team reports to training camp next week. The rookie from the University of Delaware will battle Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php) and Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php) in a three-way race this summer.

"The most important part of this contract is that it is done before July 21st," Linta said. "They're excited, Joe's excited, I'm excited. I don't know anybody that is not excited."


Good for Flacco. I think he has the skill and tools to win the job outright. Not that he's competing against any big-time QBs. The only thing I can hope for Flacco is that the team doesn't abandon him if he does win the job and doesn't perform right away. Just as I argued Russell last year, I am a firm believer that a QB should actually sit and really learn the system, but if he can take the job from the start... go for it. Flacco, Ryan, Henne... All could be first year starters week 1.

FlyGuy78
07-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Ryan - Yes
Flacco - Maybe
Henne - I doubt it.

Being Week 1 starters.

Spartan
07-17-2008, 04:54 PM
Ryan - Yes
Flacco - Maybe
Henne - I doubt it.

Being Week 1 starters.

I agree but Flacco and Henne won't sit long.

two24four
07-17-2008, 06:08 PM
I agree but Flacco and Henne won't sit long.

I agree with this, I think both are starting by week 5, if not alot sooner.

King_Killah
07-21-2008, 11:16 AM
Minor news if you are in a league that uses IDPs. Sypniewski wasn't going to be drafted in any league as far as I can see anyway... But, with two TEs on injured reserve, Todd Heap better stay healthy.


In an expected move, the Baltimore Ravens have placed TE Quinn Sypniewski (http://www.footballguys.com/SypnQu00-1.php) on injured reserve. Sypniewski suffered a knee injury earlier in the spring. Rookie TE Scott Kuhn was also placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. In other news, the team also waived LB Mike Smith after agreeing to an injury settlement with the fourth-year player. Smith missed last season with a shoulder injury.

King_Killah
07-31-2008, 04:32 PM
Baltimore Ravens WR Mark Clayton (http://www.footballguys.com/ClayMa01-1.php), who was supposed to compete with Demetrius Williams (http://www.footballguys.com/WillDe03-1.php) for a starting spot, has been running exclusively with the first team this week because of Williams' injury. "From my standpoint, his focus and his enthusiasm has really shown up," Ravens WR coach Jim Hostler said. "So I'm assuming he's in a better place. He's communicated to me that his personal life is in better shape. If your personal life is in order, working is a lot easier. But when it's not, it's hard."

The NFL is all about opportunity... or should I say, more about taking advantage of your opportunity. Seems like Clayton will make the most of his chance here.

King_Killah
08-03-2008, 05:29 PM
Ravens tight end Todd Heap (http://www.footballguys.com/HeapTo00-1.php) limped off the field Saturday morning with a right calf injury.
His calf was wrapped as he left the field during the final minutes of practice. The injury did not initially appear to be serious.

Hopefully this is not serious... Baltimore needs Heap. However, are we surprised? If Heap can't go...the next TE in line is Daniel Wilcox. Keep an eye.

FlyGuy78
08-03-2008, 05:43 PM
who is throwing the ball over there anyways??

King_Killah
08-03-2008, 06:01 PM
who is throwing the ball over there anyways??

It better bet Joe Flacco. F* Boller!

King_Killah
08-09-2008, 04:54 PM
Baltimore Ravens rookie running back Ray Rice (http://www.footballguys.com/RiceRa00-1.php) has been enduring punishing hits and bouncing off tackles, as well as honing his skills catching passes out of the backfield. Mostly, though, team officials took notice of his toughness and hard-nosed nature. Rice never complained while taking virtually every snap with starter Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) sidelined due to a knee injury with three other running backs injured, too. "I was impressed with the way he came through that," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "He learned how to pick up blitzes. He was dog-tired, and he stepped in the A gap and hit linebackers in the face. That's not easy to do."

Good news for those that like sleepers... Way to go Ray Rice. Earn a spot!

King_Killah
08-11-2008, 10:10 AM
On snap.......... Hop on that Ray Rice, NOW!



Baltimore Ravens star running back Willis McGahee is scheduled to undergo
arthroscopic surgery on his left knee as soon as today in South Florida.

McGahee’s knee has been bothering him since shortly after reporting to training camp in Westminster and he hasn’t been practicing lately. This is regarded as a clean-up medical procedure.

Because it generally takes two weeks to a month to recover from a knee scope, McGahee could possibly return for the Sept. 7 season-opener against the Cincinnati Bengals.

We'll see how long he is out!

Dubz
08-11-2008, 10:17 AM
Dammitt.......theres goes the sleeper status

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
08-11-2008, 11:46 AM
On snap.......... Hop on that Ray Rice, NOW!



We'll see how long he is out!

hmm. as always, thanks for taking the time out to give us the 411 :D

two24four
08-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Glad I picked Rice in out keeper league now KK ;):D

Now if only SJ would get his ass into camp.

King_Killah
08-21-2008, 03:33 PM
Baltimore Ravens head coach John Harbaugh has announced that Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php) will be the starting quarterback for Saturday's preseason game against the St. Louis Rams. "He will play as much as we need to have him play," Harbaugh commented on Wednesday. "We need to find out more about Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php). He needs those reps. He needs them against a defense in a third preseason game where they're game-planning him a little bit and we'll see how he does." During the preseason, Smith has completed eight of his 17 passes for 99 yards with no touchdowns and one interception.

This makes sense to me... If I was Baltimore, I would not want to have to go with Boller for another game, and Joe Flacco could use more time in the system.

King_Killah
08-25-2008, 04:04 PM
Coach John Harbaugh left open the possibility that rookie first-round pick Joe Flacco (http://www.footballguys.com/FlacJo00-1.php) could jump back into contention for a starting job that seemed to be between Smith and Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php).
Rushed into his first start Saturday, Flacco completed 18 of 37 passes for 152 yards and a touchdown.

Asked whether the competition might now include three quarterbacks instead of two, Harbaugh said: "We'll see. That's a fair question. I just don't know the answer."

Here is one of those instances where I don't recommend giving a first your QB the ball right away. Baltimore's receivers aren't that great. Don't send him out there too soon. Let him learn on the sidelines. Give Smith the job. F* Boller.

FlyGuy78
08-25-2008, 04:51 PM
Here is one of those instances where I don't recommend giving a first your QB the ball right away. Baltimore's receivers aren't that great. Don't send him out there too soon. Let him learn on the sidelines. Give Smith the job. F* Boller.

yet you think putting Ryan in as the starter is a good idea!! :rolleyes: You are so hypocritical!!

King_Killah
08-25-2008, 06:53 PM
yet you think putting Ryan in as the starter is a good idea!! :rolleyes: You are so hypocritical!!

Fucktard..... do you ever read anything or is it just selective?????? If you read in the Falcons thread, you would have seen that I said, I normally don't like 1st year QBs getting the ball right away. There are few instances where it makes sense. The Falcons situation is one of them. Ryan is far more along than Flacco is right now. The Falcons have a decent receiving group whereas the Ravens are lacking. Ryan was brought in to erase the Vick image. Flacco should have been brought in to erase the Boller image, but Boller is still around. Another spot where I think a 1st year spot woulda made sense is Henne in Miami. But they went another route and brought Pennington in there. I would have put Henne in over McCown or Beck. With Pennington in there, although I really don't like him that much, I would stick with him over Henne at this point. Pay attention. I didn't like the Raiders throwing Russell in right away... Different situations for different spots. 90% of the time I don't like it. But occassionally it fits.

FlyGuy78
08-27-2008, 02:04 PM
KK REJOICE!!!

Boller could be out for year
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News: The Carroll County Times reports there's a growing fear within the organization that QB Kyle Boller (http://dav.football.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396152) might be out for the season with a fairly serious injury to his throwing shoulder. Boller underwent an MRI, and the initial results weren't favorable. Team officials are awaiting results of a second medical opinion regarding an injury that stems from a brutal hit the former starter absorbed against the Minnesota Vikings. Boller was unable to throw Tuesday and struggles to raise his arm over his head. While jogging onto the field in sweatpants and a baseball cap, Boller never moved his right arm and crossed his left arm across his body to scratch his right ear.

King_Killah
08-27-2008, 02:08 PM
KK REJOICE!!!

Boller could be out for year
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Kyle Boller, QB BAL
News: The Carroll County Times reports there's a growing fear within the organization that QB Kyle Boller (http://dav.football.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396152) might be out for the season with a fairly serious injury to his throwing shoulder. Boller underwent an MRI, and the initial results weren't favorable. Team officials are awaiting results of a second medical opinion regarding an injury that stems from a brutal hit the former starter absorbed against the Minnesota Vikings. Boller was unable to throw Tuesday and struggles to raise his arm over his head. While jogging onto the field in sweatpants and a baseball cap, Boller never moved his right arm and crossed his left arm across his body to scratch his right ear.

As the sky turns into white puffy clouds with a giant bright light decending and harp music playing in the background...........

Imagine if Grossman goes out for the year too... Oh man...

FlyGuy78
08-27-2008, 02:12 PM
As the sky turns into white puffy clouds with a giant bright light decending and harp music playing in the background...........

Imagine if Grossman goes out for the year too... Oh man...

If that happens, play the lottery man!! :D

King_Killah
08-28-2008, 11:42 AM
A little more on Boller.


There's a growing fear within the Baltimore Ravens organization that veteran quarterback Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php) might be out for the season with a fairly serious injury to his throwing shoulder. Boller underwent a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) exam, and the initial results weren't favorable. Team officials are awaiting results of a second medical opinion regarding an injury that stems from a brutal hit the former starter absorbed against the Minnesota Vikings. Boller was unable to throw Tuesday and struggles to raise his arm over his head.

If he is struggling to raise his arm over his head, why the need for a second opinion??? Anyway, I know this is wrong, but the injury to Boller may be a blessing in disguise. I don't wish ill-will on anyone, but Boller really isn't a good NFL QB.

King_Killah
08-29-2008, 05:36 PM
Ravens rookie QB Joe Flacco (http://www.footballguys.com/FlacJo00-1.php) got his second straight start Thursday against the Atlanta Falcons while Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php) continues to sit out with fever related to tonsilitis.

With Boller's injury questions, Smith's tonsilitis - could we see Flacco as starter next week in the regular season? Odds are looking good. Still not sure I would sent Flacco right into the fire, but they may not have a choice.

King_Killah
08-29-2008, 05:43 PM
Boller update.


It was announced on Wednesday that Baltimore Ravens quarterback Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php) has a partially torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. The specific nature of Boller's injury had previously been unknown. Boller is going to try particular treatments in the coming week, and if those treatments are not successful, he may require surgery. "Kyle Boller (http://www.footballguys.com/BollKy00-1.php) could play again this season," general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "That could change, but this is good news."

Ozzie has got to be the most optimistic person in the world if a torn labrum is GOOD NEWS.

King_Killah
08-31-2008, 12:06 AM
More on Boller/Smith/Flacco...


The medical saga of Baltimore Ravens quarterback Troy Smith (http://www.footballguys.com/SmitTr02-1.php) took another negative turn as his tonsil infection flared up again Thursday morning and he was hospitalized, missing the preseason finale against the Atlanta Falcons. Smith is expected to be at Union Memorial Hospital for at least two days, and is being given intravenous fluids to combat the infection. Smith hasn't practiced in a week due to swollen tonsils and other symptoms, including fever and nausea. However, team spokesman Kevin Byrne said that Smith is not going to need to have his tonsils removed. Smith has reportedly lost roughly 13 pounds.

Congrats Flacco on getting the starting job???

King_Killah
09-01-2008, 10:47 AM
The Baltimore Ravens are expected to explore the quarterback market and are rumored to have interest in Chris Simms, who got his wish when he was cut by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Other potential suitors for Simms include the Green Bay Packers, Dallas Cowboys and Chicago Bears. As an unrestricted free agent, Simms is not subject to the waiver system and is free to sign with any team.

Makes sense with the QB issues Balitmore has.

King_Killah
09-02-2008, 05:48 PM
Stephen Holder of the St. Petersburg Times is reporting that the Baltimore Ravens have opted to sign veteran QB Joey Harrington (http://www.footballguys.com/HarrJo00-1.php) over QB Chris Simms and QB Todd Bouman (http://www.footballguys.com/BoumTo00-1.php).

Ehh.... Harrington, Simms... 6 and 1/2 dozen.

King_Killah
05-07-2009, 07:53 PM
Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) (knee) could be limited during the team's upcoming minicamp. McGahee recently underwent a procedure to clean out his knee.

This is actually kinda huge. He may not even make the team this year, especially since the Ravens are loaded at RB with Ray Rice, Jalen Parmele, and Cedric Peerman - not to mention FB Le'Ron McClain. He will still get drafted too early in most drafts. Do yourselves a favor, let someone else worry about him.

FlyGuy78
05-07-2009, 07:54 PM
This is actually kinda huge. He may not even make the team this year, especially since the Ravens are loaded at RB with Ray Rice, Jalen Parmele, and Cedric Peerman - not to mention FB Le'Ron McClain. He will still get drafted too early in most drafts. Do yourselves a favor, let someone else worry about him.

In our money league, we call that person Willy (or this year I think Berserker). :lol:

King_Killah
05-07-2009, 07:55 PM
In our money league, we call that person Willy (or this year I think Berserker). :lol:


Dude......I was going to put in ( ) Willy in there... HAHAHAA...

King_Killah
05-08-2009, 11:23 AM
Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens TE Todd Heap (http://www.footballguys.com/HeapTo00-1.php) (back) could be limited during the team's upcoming minicamp.

Well... Heap is already going to have his time reduced since the Ravens signed LJ Smith, but LJ Smith is a piece of shit. Heap needs to prove that he can stay healthy. The Smith signing will allow him to do that. He won't have to play 90% of the game. And remember. He used to have Boller as his QB. Boller sucks. Boller would dump the ball off to Heap every chance he got. So Heap would get banged up. Last year he had Flacco. He played all 16, but receptions/yards and such were reduced because Flacco can play and find his receivers. I think Heap will be taken too early still, but could be huge value in the middle to later rounds for those that are buying into LJ Smith stepping in and being a factor.

King_Killah
05-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) was not present for team's passing camp Wednesday, May 27.

Another guy we'll let the FlyGuys and the Willy's Big Wonkas of the world draft.

For McGahee's sake this better have been an excused absense. McGahee doesn't have a good relationship with John Harbaugh as it is. He will see heavy compeition from Le'Ron McClain, Ray Rice, Jalen Parmele, and rookie Cedric Peerman. McGahee better make a strong impression if he wants to contribute this season.

King_Killah
06-10-2009, 12:56 PM
Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) (knee) said his knee has not affected his workouts this week.

Still letting the FlyGuys of the fantasy world take hold of McGahee.

King_Killah
06-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Edward Lee, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens TE Quinn Sypniewski (knee) said he does not know when he will be able to return to the field.


Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens WR Derrick Mason (http://www.footballguys.com/MasoDe00-1.php) (shoulder) said there is no timetable for his return to the field.


Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens TE Todd Heap (http://www.footballguys.com/HeapTo00-1.php) (back) was able to practice fully Tuesday, June 9, after being limited most of the offseason by a back injury.

Sypniewski, well... With Heap as fragile as your mom's elegant china set you would like to have a solid TE in place. Syp will be back and should play this year, how much camp he gets in is anyone's guess.

Mason isn't pushing himself in the OTAs and camps. His target is opening day which he is guaranteeing he'll be ready to play in.

Heap... Oh Todd Heap, the once top three fantasy TE. He, like McGahee will be saved for the FlyGuys of the fantasy world.

King_Killah
06-11-2009, 11:44 AM
Agent Drew Rosenhaus said on his Twitter page that Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) (knee, ankle) needed surgery on both his knee and ankle during the offseason.

First it was speculated that it was knee surgery, then it was revealed it was ankle surgery...now dickbag is coming out saying it was both body parts needing surgery.

King_Killah
06-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Mike Preston, of The Baltimore Sun, speculates that if they could, the Baltimore Ravens possibly would fast-forward RB Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php)'s exit out of town as he has been a disappointment since signing a seven-year, $40 million contract in March 2007.

It is only speculation, but one could very well understand this. McGahee has been a disappointment since he signed the 7 year/$40mil deal. The Ravens have Jalen Parmele and Cedric Peerman that both can be very solid effective RB2s. On top of that McGahee has a very weak relationship with HC Harbaugh.

He's all yours Fly.

King_Killah
06-11-2009, 12:03 PM
Lots of Ravens news over the past couple of days...


Mike Preston, of The Baltimore Sun, reports it is unsure if Baltimore Ravens FS Ed Reed is continuing to battle the same neck problems he had last season as he will not speak to the media prior to training camp.

If the neck thing is something that Ed Reed thinks will cause permanent injury or hinder his performance he will retire. This will be a huge blow to that defense, although it will make Steelers fans, Bengals fans, and Browns fans very happy.

King_Killah
06-16-2009, 10:05 AM
Mike Preston, of the Baltimore Sun, reports that it looks like John Harbaugh will use LeRon McClain (http://www.footballguys.com/McClLe00-1.php), Ray Rice (http://www.footballguys.com/RiceRa00-1.php), and Willis McGahee (http://www.footballguys.com/McGaWi00-1.php) as a "three-headed monster" again this year.

We knew this was going to happen. Of the three...Rice is the best bet.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
06-17-2009, 06:47 PM
We knew this was going to happen. Of the three...Rice is the best bet.

from a fantasy standpoint all I can say is - FUCKFUCKFUCKRFUCKFUCKFUCKFUFKCUFDKJFLDSJ#UI$){#U$) #UJKO!&*U)(JKFKLJDFJKLDSI(URE

Dubz
07-15-2009, 06:35 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-ravens-mason&prov=ap&type=lgns

Top WR Mason to retire.

King_Killah
07-15-2009, 09:02 AM
A lot of talk and speculation that Mason will be back. He hasn't officially filed retirement papers, and word is that he is going through some stuff with the death of friend and former teammate Steve McNair. We'll keep an eye out there on this story though.

With the announcement...talks have ramped up that the Ravens could go after Marvin Harrison.

Hockeyis#1
07-18-2009, 05:32 PM
Think that McClain will still get the majority of goal line/short yardage carries?

FlyGuy78
07-18-2009, 06:13 PM
Think that McClain will still get the majority of goal line/short yardage carries?

I don't think he will get as many as last year. They are moving him back to FB. As long as both Rice and McGahee are healthy he doesn't have much fantasy value.

Hockeyis#1
07-21-2009, 06:30 PM
I don't think he will get as many as last year. They are moving him back to FB. As long as both Rice and McGahee are healthy he doesn't have much fantasy value.

I don't count on McGahee staying healthy...ever. And does Rice have the size/strength to be a short yardage back?

dw13
07-21-2009, 07:20 PM
I don't count on McGahee staying healthy...ever. And does Rice have the size/strength to be a short yardage back?

He has the strength no doubt, size really has little to do with it. He would be behind a massive offensive line.

King_Killah
07-23-2009, 06:22 PM
I don't think he will get as many as last year. They are moving him back to FB. As long as both Rice and McGahee are healthy he doesn't have much fantasy value.

Expect Rice and McClain to get the majority of the carries regardless of McGahee's health. Harbaugh and McGahee for one, do NOT get along at all. A lot of spots I have been seeing are even listing McGahee as the #3 and one spot had him at #4 behind Cedric Peerman. I wouldn't count on McGahee for much, unless somehow he has a STELLAR camp/pre-season.

King_Killah
07-23-2009, 06:23 PM
Charles Robinson, of Yahoo! Sports, reports on his Twitter feed that he is "continuing to hear from people around Derrick Mason (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/MasoDe00-1.php) that he'll be back next season. I hear he's second guessing the decision daily."

I would imagine he is second guessing. I don't think he ever really believed he would retire now. Between contracts and the McNair shooting, I can understand his abrupt decision, but to date...no papers were filed.

FlyGuy78
07-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Expect Rice and McClain to get the majority of the carries regardless of McGahee's health. Harbaugh and McGahee for one, do NOT get along at all. A lot of spots I have been seeing are even listing McGahee as the #3 and one spot had him at #4 behind Cedric Peerman. I wouldn't count on McGahee for much, unless somehow he has a STELLAR camp/pre-season.

I hear that Rice is going to get majority of the carries with McGahee next in line and McClain, though listed back as FB, is said to still get short yardage and goal-line touches. Either way McGahee is a piece of shit, that's why I let Willy or Berserker deal with his ass in Cash & Dash!! :D

Dubz
07-23-2009, 07:34 PM
News: The Baltimore Sun reports Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://534pix.football.cbssports.com/players/playerpage/396170) has plenty to prove during training camp this year. McGahee said he expects to be No. 2 on the depth chart behind Ray Rice (http://534pix.football.cbssports.com/players/playerpage/1243206), but he doesn't expect to stay there. "I'm pretty sure Ray is going to be the guy when we start out, but it's training camp," McGahee said. "It's a long season. No pressure. Like I say, it's not how you start. It's how you finish."

King_Killah
07-30-2009, 11:58 AM
Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens RB Willis McGahee (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/McGaWi00-1.php) (knee, ankle) did not participate in practice Wednesday, July 29.

Are we seriously surprised. F*ck McGahee... Let someone else draft him.

FlyGuy78
07-30-2009, 12:19 PM
Are we seriously surprised. F*ck McGahee... Let someone else draft him.


News: CBSSports.com RapidReport writer Jon Gallo reports from Ravens camp that the team has placed RB Willis McGahee (http://dav.football.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396170) on the Physically Unable to Perform list. That means McGahee has yet to pass his conditioning test and as such cannot practice with the team or play in games until he does. He can come off the list at any time until the regular season starts, at which point he would then be forced to miss at least the first six weeks of the season.


King I think this is one guy that is on both of our F' LIST!! :D

King_Killah
07-30-2009, 12:42 PM
Edward Lee, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens TE L.J. Smith (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/SmitL.00-1.php) (hamstring) did not participate in morning practice Wednesday, July 29, because of a minor hamstring injury. Smith said the injury is not considered serious.

Just like McGahee.... F*CK LJ SMITH.... If anyone drafts LJ Smith, they need to be kicked out of the league.

Dubz
07-30-2009, 12:43 PM
News: CBSSports.com RapidReport writer Jon Gallo reports from Ravens camp that the team has placed RB Willis McGahee (http://dav.football.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396170) on the Physically Unable to Perform list. That means McGahee has yet to pass his conditioning test and as such cannot practice with the team or play in games until he does. He can come off the list at any time until the regular season starts, at which point he would then be forced to miss at least the first six weeks of the season.


King I think this is one guy that is on both of our F' LIST!! :D

I also read they had a lot of guys on that list and Willis would surely NOT start the season on it.

FlyGuy78
07-30-2009, 12:44 PM
I also read they had a lot of guys on that list and Willis would surely NOT start the season on it.

he won't start the season on it, teams do that. If he does, he would have to miss the first 6 games.

King_Killah
07-30-2009, 12:48 PM
Mike Preston, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens QB Troy Smith (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/SmitTr02-1.php) has been seeing a lot of reps at wide receiver during practices.

This is actually a hot move on the Ravens part. With the Ravens bringing in John Beck, they can afford to move Smith to WR if need be.

FlyGuy78
08-01-2009, 08:37 PM
(http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal/;_ylt=AhplXDARMBwB65ah4Ai3lcrhMMQF)Baltimore Ravens (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal/;_ylt=AhplXDARMBwB65ah4Ai3lcrhMMQF) wideout Derrick Mason (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3988/;_ylt=AlCCq46i_yALyOH2jsILNbDhMMQF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3988/news;_ylt=At.2InbKydpz.YT.j.dGp_fhMMQF) reported to the team Saturday, reversing his decision to retire earlier this offseason. He has asked for reinstatement from the NFL and will play for the Ravens under the terms of his current contract. He is expected to be on the practice field Sunday.

I think we all saw this coming. Good news for BAL.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
08-03-2009, 04:26 PM
Well... I guess you can only lose to a team so many times before you start really hating them. :lol: Great rivalry. I always look fwd to Balt/Pitt games. It'll be extra fun watching Big Ben and the Steelers beat up on their egos a little more this season! ;)

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__15/ept_sports_nfl_experts-980394193-1249310690.jpg?ymivIrBDQxb.qGfB

Terrell Suggs and his t-shirt don't like the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-and-his-t-shirt-don-t-like-the-Pit?urn=nfl,180402)

Some people figuratively wear their emotions on their sleeves. Terrell Suggs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6346/) literally has it printed on his back. And all classy-like too, I might add.

So deep is the Baltimore Ravens (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal/) linebacker's dislike of the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/pit/) that he's taken to wearing a shirt that reads "You Bet Your Sweet Ass I Hate The Steelers" under his jersey during practice.

Suggs told the Baltimore Sun that he saw the shirt in a store and thought, "oh, that's nice for camp." The front of it reads "YBYSA" (http://www.smackapparel.com/popup_image.php?pID=1057&image=0&osCsid=ijin69smnor9g0defktge29q15), an acronym for what appears on the back (and something that sounds like something Drago said at the end of the bout in Rocky IV (http://www.entertonement.com/clips/rcjsfcmfmh--I-fight-to-win-for-me-for-meDolph-Lundgren-Rocky-IV-Ivan-Drago-).)

This isn't the first time Suggs has made his thoughts about Pittsburgh known. Last year he got into a bit of hot water for suggesting that his team had put a bounty out on Hines Ward (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-badblood120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns). (Ever the gentleman, Ward politely reminded Suggs of the NFL policy against such actions (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Hines-Ward-has-a-message-for-Terrell-Suggs-and-t?urn=nfl,117081).)

It's only natural that Suggs, his teammates and Ravens fans would hate Pittsburgh though. The Steelers are a model franchise, have had more historical and recent success (including three wins over the Ravens last year) and, most importantly, don't have to live in Baltimore.

The feeling is mutual in Pittsburgh, if a little bit more understated. It's not that the Steelers and their fans don't hate the Ravens, but I always get the sense that Baltimore has much stronger feelings about the whole thing. (It's the same thing with the Maryland-Duke rivalry in college basketball.) I mean, do you think James Harrison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6314/) would be caught dead wearing a Ravens diss shirt to Steelers camp?

King_Killah
08-05-2009, 03:49 PM
Well... I guess you can only lose to a team so many times before you start really hating them. :lol: Great rivalry. I always look fwd to Balt/Pitt games. It'll be extra fun watching Big Ben and the Steelers beat up on their egos a little more this season! ;)

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__15/ept_sports_nfl_experts-980394193-1249310690.jpg?ymivIrBDQxb.qGfB

Terrell Suggs and his t-shirt don't like the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Terrell-Suggs-and-his-t-shirt-don-t-like-the-Pit?urn=nfl,180402)

Some people figuratively wear their emotions on their sleeves. Terrell Suggs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6346/) literally has it printed on his back. And all classy-like too, I might add.

So deep is the Baltimore Ravens (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal/) linebacker's dislike of the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/pit/) that he's taken to wearing a shirt that reads "You Bet Your Sweet Ass I Hate The Steelers" under his jersey during practice.

Suggs told the Baltimore Sun that he saw the shirt in a store and thought, "oh, that's nice for camp." The front of it reads "YBYSA" (http://www.smackapparel.com/popup_image.php?pID=1057&image=0&osCsid=ijin69smnor9g0defktge29q15), an acronym for what appears on the back (and something that sounds like something Drago said at the end of the bout in Rocky IV (http://www.entertonement.com/clips/rcjsfcmfmh--I-fight-to-win-for-me-for-meDolph-Lundgren-Rocky-IV-Ivan-Drago-).)

This isn't the first time Suggs has made his thoughts about Pittsburgh known. Last year he got into a bit of hot water for suggesting that his team had put a bounty out on Hines Ward (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-badblood120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns). (Ever the gentleman, Ward politely reminded Suggs of the NFL policy against such actions (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Hines-Ward-has-a-message-for-Terrell-Suggs-and-t?urn=nfl,117081).)

It's only natural that Suggs, his teammates and Ravens fans would hate Pittsburgh though. The Steelers are a model franchise, have had more historical and recent success (including three wins over the Ravens last year) and, most importantly, don't have to live in Baltimore.

The feeling is mutual in Pittsburgh, if a little bit more understated. It's not that the Steelers and their fans don't hate the Ravens, but I always get the sense that Baltimore has much stronger feelings about the whole thing. (It's the same thing with the Maryland-Duke rivalry in college basketball.) I mean, do you think James Harrison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6314/) would be caught dead wearing a Ravens diss shirt to Steelers camp?

There is a novelty sports gift shop in the Inner Harbor that has these shirts. They have shirts saying almost the same thing about the Yankees and Red Sox also. Hahaha...

King_Killah
09-01-2009, 07:44 PM
Jamison Hensley, from the Baltimore Sun, reports that besides the Statue of Liberty play to Ray Rice (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/RiceRa00-1.php) against the New York Jets, Willis McGahee (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/McGaWi00-1.php) has carried the ball on five of the Ravens' six runs inside the 5-yard line ( Le'Ron McClain had the other rushing attempt). McGahee scored on a 1-yard run in the second quarter Saturday, showing he can still punch the ball into the end zone. In five NFL seasons, he has 38 rushing touchdowns. "I love the goal line," McGahee said. "It's a hit-or-miss play. Nine times out of 10, I want it to be a hit."

Ummmmm.......If I was a running back, I would want it to be a hit 10 out of 10 times. But this is one of those spots that one guys does the work and another gets the reward. I am still not drafting McGahee.

Spartan
09-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Well said
Derrick Mason's Response To Keyshawn's Raven-Bashing: "You're The Bum!" (http://deadspin.com/5358960/derrick-masons-response-to-keyshawns-raven+bashing-youre-the-bum)

By Nash Landesman (http://deadspin.com/people/NashLandesman/posts/), 1:15 PM (http://deadspin.com/5358960/derrick-masons-response-to-keyshawns-raven+bashing-youre-the-bum) on Mon Sep 14 2009,





http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/09/custom_1252944686616_t1_keyshawn.jpgGifted trash talkers as they are, Keyshawn Johnson (http://deadspin.com/tag/keyshawn-johnson/) and Cris Carter (http://deadspin.com/tag/cris-carter/)'s insults do not always prove true. After shitting all over (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12201615) Baltimore's offense by calling Joe Flacco "a bum," the Ravens exploded Sunday and fired back at the analysts.
Who's the bum now (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/14/ravens-offense-explodes-on-and-off-the-field/)? Derrick Mason (http://deadspin.com/tag/derrick-mason/) demanded to know following Baltimore's 500 yard, 38-point offensive showcase against the Chiefs yesterday.
In the wake of that victory, the former retiree WR made this rebuttal to current retiree WRs Keyshawn Johnson and Cris Carter:
Keyshawn Johnson is the bum, that's why he's in the analyst seat. He tried to come back to football but no one would sign him. He was never that good a player. He got lucky and signed on in Tampa Bay and won a Super Bowl because they had a great defense.
"Just look at the two people doing the criticizing, that's all I'm saying. Keyshawn was overrated and Carter is in the same boat I'm in. He doesn't have a Super Bowl ring either. He's in the analyst seat without a ring. At least I'm playing. He still wants to play but he can't anymore. We're the bums? That's why you're in the analyst seat. Just be quiet and keep dreaming you still could play.
http://deadspin.com/5358960/derrick-masons-response-to-keyshawns-raven+bashing-youre-the-bum

moans
12-07-2009, 11:36 PM
Madness out there tonight. So far there have been 9 pass interference penalites and there's still time left in the 4th. Craziness.

Kyle
12-08-2009, 12:40 PM
Yeah, really painful and annoying game to watch. But almost every PI call was legit. People just got too physicall at the end of catches and QBs kept throwing underthrown long bombs forcing those little fights.

Hockeyis#1
12-09-2009, 11:50 PM
Well saidhttp://deadspin.com/5358960/derrick-masons-response-to-keyshawns-raven+bashing-youre-the-bum
Ok, calling Keyshawn Johnson a bum is one thing, but Cris Carter is bonafide Hall of Famer and arguably a top 5 all time WR. Derrick Mason is not. That's like if Paul Kariya called Marcel Dionne or Jaromir Jagr a bum. Ridiculous.

Plus, you trounched the Chiefs :rolleyes: I'm sure that made a statement to the rest of the league about what a powerhouse you are.

eff1ngham
12-27-2009, 04:40 PM
Two TDs called back because of penalties, a dropped TD in the endzone, and a INT called back because of a penalty. That's gotta make the coach a little angry, they had that game won and gave it away

Dubz
01-10-2010, 01:31 PM
This DEF looks awesome. (as usual)

*Derrick Mason scored over 6 TDs this season;)

moans
01-10-2010, 02:15 PM
It appears my week 3 pick of the Ravens to win the bowl is looking okay. Keep it up boys. Fuck the Patriots!

dw13
01-10-2010, 03:56 PM
I don't think we have Ravens fans on this board, but damn I'm glad they beat them.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-11-2010, 05:02 PM
I don't think we have Ravens fans on this board, but damn I'm glad they beat them.

They don't allow internet access in prison.

:D

Pretty dominant showing and you gotta love Shady and company going down but I really want to see Indy knock these guys in the teeth next weekend.

Hockeyis#1
01-12-2010, 10:25 AM
They don't allow internet access in prison.

:D
:lol:




Pretty dominant showing and you gotta love Shady and company going down but I really want to see Indy knock these guys in the teeth next weekend.Very Unlikely IMO

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-13-2010, 05:53 PM
:lol:


Very Unlikely IMO

You think Indy will lose to the Ravens ? :nono:

two24four
01-13-2010, 06:00 PM
You think Indy will lose to the Ravens ? :nono:

It would not shock me if they did, if they come out ready to play like they did Sunday they just might be able to knock off Indy.

Motorcat
01-13-2010, 06:22 PM
I think Indy will win but the Ravens are a scary team to be playing right now......... Ray Rice are crew are beasts.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-13-2010, 06:52 PM
It would not shock me if they did, if they come out ready to play like they did Sunday they just might be able to knock off Indy.

Sadly I will agree that it could def. happen and that will once again raise the question of resting your starters before the playoffs... good idea or a bad idea? Sometimes I think it's better to go into the post running on all 4 cylinders the way the Ravens are. I'm pretty sure it wasn't too long ago that the Colts pulled a rest our guys at the end of the season only to flop out of the playoffs rather quickly? If they do happen to get booted out this weekend at home I bet the people in Indy are gonna be raising a ton of questions about sitting their guys. Especially considering that the issue has already been brought up this year due to the potential for Indy to have a perfect season.

Kyle
01-13-2010, 06:53 PM
The question of benching vs playing is worthless because no matter what the playing side always loses when any starter gets injured, whereas the benching side never loses because you can't ever say a loss was because you benched players 3 weeks ago, the logic just doesn't work. So no matter what, benching your players always wins, theres just no other way to cut it.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-17-2010, 02:29 AM
Thanks Indy!

Doctego
01-17-2010, 10:52 AM
Baltimore's D came back from the dead. This team desperately needs receiving help.

eff1ngham
02-17-2010, 01:29 PM
Looks like Donte Stallworth is signing in Baltimore for a year at $900k:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuktswC_IdNFQZvk3zMmr7NDubYF?slug=ap-ravens-stallworth&prov=ap&type=lgns

Guess they're hoping he can return to his 2005 form

boredguy
03-06-2010, 03:07 PM
Anquan Boldin to the Ravens:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-ravens-boldin&prov=ap&type=lgns

They only gave a 3rd and 4th for him so that's not so bad. I'd say there's a good chance Mason won't be back now, Boldin's an upgrade over him anyways, just gotta be a little wary of his health.

dw13
03-06-2010, 03:08 PM
Anquan Boldin to the Ravens:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-ravens-boldin&prov=ap&type=lgns

They only gave a 3rd and 4th for him so that's not so bad. I'd say there's a good chance Mason won't be back now, Boldin's an upgrade over him anyways, just gotta be a little wary of his health.

He's the toughest WR in the league for me. That guy will run all the dirty routes, and run block for you. I think its a perfect fit.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-06-2010, 05:30 PM
Joe Flacco - Merry Christmas.

Obviously not happy to see Boldin here but I do agree - should be a perfect fit.

b_illin
03-07-2010, 11:47 AM
Joe Flacco - Merry Christmas.

Obviously not happy to see Boldin here but I do agree - should be a perfect fit.

Me neither...and they didn't need to give up much to get him either! :\

King_Killah
04-23-2010, 06:04 PM
Sergio Kindle. There's the Kindle pick.

King_Killah
04-23-2010, 06:57 PM
Terrence Cody. Thought he would have gone sooner.

Spartan
04-23-2010, 10:35 PM
Newsome is one of my favorites to watch on draft day, he may be the best going right now.

two24four
09-06-2010, 10:28 AM
Houshmandzadeh has signed a one year deal with the Ravens.

dw13
09-06-2010, 11:04 AM
Houshmandzadeh has signed a one year deal with the Ravens.

A very good signing.

FlyGuy78
09-06-2010, 11:14 AM
A very good signing.

Great signing for the Ravens though his fantasy value takes a huge hit since he will be the 3rd-4th option in that offense behind Rice, Boldin, and Mason. Thankfully I didn't draft him in any leagues.

b_illin
09-06-2010, 11:56 AM
As a Mason owner, I am not too pleased with this.

King_Killah
04-28-2011, 10:00 PM
Wow...... timer ticks to :01.

They take a pass. Goofy f*ckers.

The Ravens end up with Jimmy Smith. If he can put down the pot, he is a perfect fit for the Ravens defense.

two24four
10-02-2011, 09:57 PM
This is one crazy/ugly game.

dw13
01-22-2012, 09:44 PM
Question:

Why was Cundiff running his ass off across the other side of the field to get in position for the FG?

When I saw him running, me and my buddy both said he's going to yank it.

Anyone else see that?

Doctego
01-22-2012, 10:56 PM
Question:

Why was Cundiff running his ass off across the other side of the field to get in position for the FG?

When I saw him running, me and my buddy both said he's going to yank it.

Anyone else see that?

Yeah. I was yelling at the screen for them to use their last time out. Why TF did they hold onto it? I think there was 17 seconds left on the play clock and he was hauling ass across the field.

2 great games today that could have been even better.

dw13
01-23-2012, 07:48 PM
http://deadspin.com/5878655/

Scoreboard error? Go figure something like this happens by the Pats in Foxboro. Those cheaters!

:D

Yeah, they should of called a damn timeout.

two24four
01-26-2012, 04:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4716045/sports-science-moores-slap-away?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Doctego
01-26-2012, 07:10 PM
Am I the only 1 that was surprised that they didn't review that play? By no means am I saying that it should have been reversed but how TF didn't they take another look at it?

Kyle
01-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Am I the only 1 that was surprised that they didn't review that play? By no means am I saying that it should have been reversed but how TF didn't they take another look at it?


I want to agree with you but won't only because the NFL is clearly moving in a direction where, when in doubt over how long the receiver has possessed/controlled the ball, you simply don't give him the TD. Calvin Johnson is the easiest example but the NFL has clearly made it a point to possess that ball and make sure you prove it was clearly controlled to the refs. In slowmo it looks like Evans was just short of tapping that other foot hit the ground because there obviously isn't anything close to a controlled possession. So I'm sure they (They being the review crew) ignored whether or not the other foot was in bounds and were all in unanimous agreement that he never possessed that pass.

Evans held that ball for a third of a second, I'd say he was a full second away (3x longer than he held it) from even beginning to make an argument that he possessed the ball. I think thats a call you can make instantly without repeated replays.

Doctego
01-27-2012, 12:15 AM
I want to agree with you but won't only because the NFL is clearly moving in a direction where, when in doubt over how long the receiver has possessed/controlled the ball, you simply don't give him the TD. Calvin Johnson is the easiest example but the NFL has clearly made it a point to possess that ball and make sure you prove it was clearly controlled to the refs. In slowmo it looks like Evans was just short of tapping that other foot hit the ground because there obviously isn't anything close to a controlled possession. So I'm sure they (They being the review crew) ignored whether or not the other foot was in bounds and were all in unanimous agreement that he never possessed that pass.

Evans held that ball for a third of a second, I'd say he was a full second away (3x longer than he held it) from even beginning to make an argument that he possessed the ball. I think thats a call you can make instantly without repeated replays.

I'm not saying that it would have been reversed nor do I think that they should have ruled differently on the field. I am saying that it was within the last 2 minutes of the game and I am surprised that they didn't review it. To me, they review a lot of bullshit and this was an important play that I feel that they should have taken another look at.

Kyle
01-27-2012, 01:27 AM
Ill give you that I've seen way less questionable plays reviewed in way more useless situations.

chgorman
01-27-2012, 07:37 AM
I'm not saying that it would have been reversed nor do I think that they should have ruled differently on the field. I am saying that it was within the last 2 minutes of the game and I am surprised that they didn't review it. To me, they review a lot of bullshit and this was an important play that I feel that they should have taken another look at.

I believe they can't review it if the call on the field was incomplete. This happened to the Lions this season, I think it was when they were playing GB on the last wk of the reg season. Titus Young caught a TD pass in the back corner of the endzone, but the ref ruled he was out of bounds and thus - because only scoring plays are automatically reviewed in those situations - there was no review. Replays showed Young clearly got both feet down in bounds and maintained control of the ball, but because it was ruled incomplete on the field, it was not reviewable by the refs, and the Lions had no challenges left. Had the ref called it a TD in the first place then it would've been reviewed automatically by the booth as all scoring plays are, regardless of any potential challenge by the Lions, but because the ref called it incomplete on the field and the Lions didn't have any challenges left, it couldn't be reviewed.

In the BAL/NE situation, I dunno if the fact that it was a potential scoring play in the last 2 mins of the game might override the call-on-field thing I mentioned above in reference to the Lions situation, but it the Lions situation, it wasn't reviewed because the call on the field was incomplete, which I believe was the case in the BAL/NE gm.

Moral of the story - If there's ANY remote chance that it could be a TD, the ref needs to call it a TD and let the booth sort it out after the fact.

Doctego
01-27-2012, 08:14 AM
Moral of the story - If there's ANY remote chance that it could be a TD, the ref needs to call it a TD and let the booth sort it out after the fact.

I can agree with that from a logic standpoint but we run into the potential issue of the call not being able to be overturned due to a lack of conclusive evidence. If they called that a TD, I don't see how there was evidence to rule it incomplete. Conversely, I didn't see evidence of it being overturned as it was called. I just thought that it was close enough to take another look at. You might be right but I haven't seen any mention of the rule/reference that you just made.

chgorman
01-27-2012, 10:22 AM
I can agree with that from a logic standpoint but we run into the potential issue of the call not being able to be overturned due to a lack of conclusive evidence. If they called that a TD, I don't see how there was evidence to rule it incomplete. Conversely, I didn't see evidence of it being overturned as it was called. I just thought that it was close enough to take another look at. You might be right but I haven't seen any mention of the rule/reference that you just made.

It looked to me like he clearly didn't complete the process of the catch by keeping clear control of the ball and getting both feet down before the ball was knocked out, in which case I'm pretty sure a TD ruling on the field woulda been overturned by replay, but I could be wrong. It was definitely a close call regardless, and I agree that either way, it was definitely close enough to review, and maybe my explanation of the rule and the situation that happened in the Lions game is incorrect or doesn't apply to the Ravens situation, not 100% sure to be honest, was just tossing the Lions situation out there as a possible explanation for why it wasn't reviewed int he Ravens game.

Kyle
01-27-2012, 02:34 PM
I agree that we had enough evidence to say conclusively he did not catch the pass.

In this ridiculous offense-heavy era where every record is waiting to be shattered, I don't mind the ruling going in a direction that gives defenses that extra half second to make a play in the endzone. I like where they're at right now with their endzone rules.

phaneuf6
01-27-2012, 03:49 PM
http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/Billy-Cundiff-web-store.jpg

Doctego
01-27-2012, 04:59 PM
I agree that we had enough evidence to say conclusively he did not catch the pass.

In this ridiculous offense-heavy era where every record is waiting to be shattered, I don't mind the ruling going in a direction that gives defenses that extra half second to make a play in the endzone. I like where they're at right now with their endzone rules.

Agreed. My point never was that it was a catch. I'm just surprised that they never considered taking another look. That's all.

Snipes16
01-30-2012, 09:39 PM
I'm not saying that it would have been reversed nor do I think that they should have ruled differently on the field. I am saying that it was within the last 2 minutes of the game and I am surprised that they didn't review it. To me, they review a lot of bullshit and this was an important play that I feel that they should have taken another look at.

For me it just confirms that the final 2 minute booth review is flawed. For 56 out of 60 minutes during any game the HC's have the right to challenge a multitude of challengeable plays as long as they have a challenge and TO in their pocket or sock to do so.

Those other 4 minutes go to the booth (Peggy?) and basically strips away any right that a HC should have to challenge. It's like playing those 4 minutes with a different set of rules because it appears that the booth is being far too lenient on what should and should not be challenged. That was clearly the case with the Evans play because if Harbaugh had a challenge and TO left he'd have used it right there.

Does the booth think like a coach in those 2 minutes? Because I dont remember if I've ever seen a challenge come from the booth on a bad spot of the ball. Are they even looking for that kind of challenge like a coach would? Too many men on the field on say a quick count with the D substituting late is another challengeable play that coaches can challenge at any time during those other 56 minutes but is the booth even looking for that to buzz down and challenge even if they witnessed it? I've never seen either of those 2 examples challenged by the booth before.

I thought the end of the Steelers/Cardinals Super Bowl with around 10 seconds was even worse than the Evans non review. Warner was at midfield and strip sacked but the replay showed the arm extremely close to going forward. The booth never bothered to challenge which was insane considering the circumstances, Pittsburgh ran out and took a knee and Arizona got screwed by the booth and potential hail mary with a reversed call...I dont trust the booth :rolleyes:

Dubz
01-31-2012, 02:02 AM
I dont know how anybody couldnt agree with you snipes. Im still a bit naive when it comes to football but ive seen myself hoping for reviews during the last two minutes too many times (and i dont get to watch alot since i work sundays) for it not to be a huge rule change topic.

Kyle
01-31-2012, 06:59 AM
You guys are being a touch shortsighted about this IMO. Reversing the rule on coaches challenging in the final two minutes wouldn't help much. It was implemented in the first place to increase the average reviews per game, not decrease. I think if the statistics are out there it should easily show that the rule has dramatically increased reviews per game.

Being limited to two challenges and having to risk a potentially game-deciding timeout would discourage a coach from wanting to challenge anything but a sure-fire overturn. The rule was added so that these factors would be eliminated from the decision making process in the final two minutes. It allows many more game-deciding decisions to get the second look it deserves.

Its only flawed when the booth is ignoring obvious challenges that need to be overturned, but sitting there pointing out "close" plays that they didn't review doesn't make a strong point to me. Close to you, but obviously guys who are paid to understand these rules more literately than us saw no reason to, for example, review the sack on Warner. That was an obvious fumble. Warners arm looks like it might've been moving forward with control of the ball but its beyond indisputable that it was knocked loose well before his arm started moving forward. It really just isn't close and again I wouldn't have minded a review given the situation, but it would've taken 12 seconds to confirm that ball was out way before he moved it forward.

You reverse the rule and I promise for every no-review that peeves you now, you'll be smacked with 3-4 guaranteed overturns that never took place because a coach had no timeouts left or already used his two timeouts. Those moments in the final 2 minutes of a half or game embarrass the sport, the point of the rule is to eliminate it so we never have to think a game was decided because a play wasn't reviewed. Contrary to the negative tone of you guys in this thread, that was largely accomplished through the rule change and we have next to no games lost because a play couldn't be reviewed. The change put the game more in the players hands.

All they need to do is leave it the way it is and simply review plays more frequently. But its not some huge problem. I think the Evans drop could've been reviewed but it was simply an obvious no-catch. It was obvious before they even began replaying it after the live feed that he wasn't close to maintaining possession.

PS - Funny thing is is once they review one too many easily confirmed plays (Like the Evans catch), everyone starts bitching about how the booth review wastes too much time! Can't win at all with some people. The rule is obviously a positive to the sport.

Doctego
01-31-2012, 09:42 AM
I assume that I am part of the "you guys". I have seen many games with 5 or so booth reviews at the end of 1 game and those plays were kind of bullshit. That sucked. This was a potential game changing play. I didn't want it overturned. I am just saying that it was close enough to go under the hood. There are 2 sides of the coin. 1 side is wasting a little time and the other is making sure that you get the call right. I'll side with getting the call right every time. I think that they did but it was bang-bang and I thought that they should have taken another look to confirm that.

Kyle
01-31-2012, 07:41 PM
The only bit of that directed at you would've been my thoughts on the Evans catch. The rest was more in response to Snipes and anybody who doesn't support the booth review in the final two minutes. Like I told you, I'd like to see them review more plays AKA I agree that I'm always in favor of checking the play. I would've reviewed that Evans catch to be clear. I'm just completely okay with why they didn't.

Dubz
02-01-2012, 12:56 AM
Good points Kyle....i suppose you could be right in some ways but there should be a challenge in the dying minutes for a coach to use. Hell he should be able to use it as a timeout (which im sure they do sometimes with 2;01 otc) I say if a coach has one he should be able to use it (if the booth doesnt) to review plays until the game is over. Is that complicated? Perhaps, but its an option/solution.

Doctego
05-03-2012, 08:52 AM
Apparently, Suggs tore his Achilles and is out for the year. Huge loss.

Spartan
05-03-2012, 10:36 AM
That is a terrible injury for a player his age. Probably done as an elite player.

b_illin
05-03-2012, 11:48 AM
As a Steelers fan, I'm heart broken :D

Kyle
05-03-2012, 08:01 PM
And with that, the Ravens are officially not a good NFL franchise, IMO. Losing season INC.


Possibly the most devastating pre-season injury in professional sports history, at least of all I know of. Suggs was, according to profootballfocus, the 5th best player in the NFL last season. This is just such a monumental loss.

dw13
05-03-2012, 08:39 PM
And with that, the Ravens are officially not a good NFL franchise, IMO. Losing season INC.


Possibly the most devastating pre-season injury in professional sports history, at least of all I know of. Suggs was, according to profootballfocus, the 5th best player in the NFL last season. This is just such a monumental loss.

:wtf:

One of the best ran Football Franchises in the league. Maybe they won't make the playoffs this year, maybe they will but that doesn't mean they're not a good franchise. They are one of the leagues supreme, and will stay that way. From their ownership to front office to coaches. Top class franchise.

Did you just mean they're going to endure a losing season, so their not a good 'team' but used 'franchise' instead?

Kyle
05-03-2012, 09:13 PM
Definitely, the franchise is solid, just losing Suggs might have them losing next year

Doctego
05-03-2012, 11:12 PM
Why couldn't he have gotten injured a week sooner? Would have made life a little easier for them.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
05-04-2012, 02:31 AM
As a Steelers fan, I'm heart broken :D

I hate that fat fuck! Lol. I am searching for empathy... fuck I think I am all out!

King_Killah
04-28-2013, 10:19 AM
What the hell are the Baltimore Ravens doing??????????? I am about to rip them as much as I ripped the New York Jets. Which is tough because they just won the Super Bowl. However, unlike the New York Jets whose management - ARE MORONS, Ozzie Newsome, I could say knows what he is doing.........

I interrupt this review as I have to go back to the Jets real quick.

King_Killah
04-28-2013, 10:34 AM
Sorry about that.

Anyway..... So they win the Super Bowl, Joe Flacco politely asks for a billion dollars and practically gets it and then the Ravens basically dismantle the team. But, they still have Ray Rice and Bernard Pierce to run the ball. Who is arguing at least Ray Rice? When in doubt, give the ball to Ray. Pitta and Dickson are OK at the TE spot. Flacco seems to like Pitta. They have Torrey Smith which is solid. I guess they are hopeful that Tommy Streeter will replace Anquan Boldin? For as good as Smith was last year, Boldin was the man and I can't believe they couldn't figure out a way to make it work so he would stay.

The defense side of the ball loses incredible leadership with Ray Ray retiring and Ed Reed leaving. Again, stunned that the Ravens couldn't make it work to keep Reed. I hope they really, really like Matt Elam. The AFC Central is wide open and up for grabs. The Bengals have a legit shot at taking the division with the Steelers and Ravens battling for a Wild Card. Don't sleep on the Browns. Not that I think the Browns will amount to much yet, just saying don't overlook them.

Doctego
04-28-2013, 11:06 AM
What the hell are the Baltimore Ravens doing??????????? I am about to rip them as much as I ripped the New York Jets. Which is tough because they just one the Super Bowl. However, unlike the New York Jets whose management - ARE MORONS, Ozzie Newsome, I could say knows what he is doing.........

I interrupt this review as I have to go back to the Jets real quick.

You're quite a bit late with this. Since the initial purge, I think that they have rebuilt their roster quite well.

King_Killah
04-28-2013, 04:10 PM
You're quite a bit late with this. Since the initial purge, I think that they have rebuilt their roster quite well.

Where? With what? Duct tape and Super glue?

QB - Flacco... strong
RB - Rice...strong; Pierce...solid enough
WR - Smith...strong; Jacoby Jones glorifed returner at WR; everyone else won't replace Boldin, we'll have to see what Streeter does, potential is good.
TE - Pitta...good; Dickson...good enough

The leadership lost with Lewis and Reed gone is going to hurt a lot. They went 6 defensive players of their 10 picks in the draft. That is good. Gonna help. Elam should be strong at safety and Art Brown might be nice in the inside. The addition of Dumervil is a good get. Still seems like they lost more than they gained. And in a division that contains the Steelers who are always there and a Bengals team that is on the rise and a Browns team that for as bad as they can be at times still seems to give Baltimore fits they can't afford to lose more than they gain.

I would have liked to see them hang onto Boldin. They could have gotten that deal done.

Kyle
04-28-2013, 04:21 PM
Where? With what? Duct tape and Super glue?

QB - Flacco... strong
RB - Rice...strong; Pierce...solid enough
WR - Smith...strong; Jacoby Jones glorifed returner at WR; everyone else won't replace Boldin, we'll have to see what Streeter does, potential is good.
TE - Pitta...good; Dickson...good enough

The leadership lost with Lewis and Reed gone is going to hurt a lot. They went 6 defensive players of their 10 picks in the draft. That is good. Gonna help. Elam should be strong at safety and Art Brown might be nice in the inside. The addition of Dumervil is a good get. Still seems like they lost more than they gained. And in a division that contains the Steelers who are always there and a Bengals team that is on the rise and a Browns team that for as bad as they can be at times still seems to give Baltimore fits they can't afford to lose more than they gain.

I would have liked to see them hang onto Boldin. They could have gotten that deal done.

They didn't just lose Boldin, either. They lost Boldin to the team that was one catch away from defeating them for the super bowl. They lost their own MVP of the playoffs to the team that needed just 1 more catch to win. Thats what absolutely leaves me shocked that they couldn't get it done. How they let him go to the 49ers, is asinine.

Doctego
04-28-2013, 04:46 PM
Where? With what? Duct tape and Super glue?

QB - Flacco... strong
RB - Rice...strong; Pierce...solid enough
WR - Smith...strong; Jacoby Jones glorifed returner at WR; everyone else won't replace Boldin, we'll have to see what Streeter does, potential is good.
TE - Pitta...good; Dickson...good enough

The leadership lost with Lewis and Reed gone is going to hurt a lot. They went 6 defensive players of their 10 picks in the draft. That is good. Gonna help. Elam should be strong at safety and Art Brown might be nice in the inside. The addition of Dumervil is a good get. Still seems like they lost more than they gained. And in a division that contains the Steelers who are always there and a Bengals team that is on the rise and a Browns team that for as bad as they can be at times still seems to give Baltimore fits they can't afford to lose more than they gain.

I would have liked to see them hang onto Boldin. They could have gotten that deal done.

I believe that the picked up Dumervil, Huff, Spears, and Canty. Not to mention their draft. I trust Ozzie a lot more than most.

King_Killah
04-28-2013, 04:55 PM
I believe that the picked up Dumervil, Huff, Spears, and Canty. Not to mention their draft. I trust Ozzie a lot more than most.

I am with you on Ozzie Newsome...which is where I was starting to go before I had to run back to the Jets thread... I am not a buyer of Huff. Canty is behind Ngata on the depth chart and Spears will fight Arthur Jones for the #1 spot.

Kyle
04-29-2013, 06:28 AM
We can go on and on about all that bullshit but the Ravens are a great team if Flacco plays elite and they're insignificant nobodies if he doesn't. If hes first-15 games Flacco, instead of last-5 games Flacco, they're totally fucked. I still despise his contract regardless how inevitable it was. I don't see how he can play up to that - Nothing short of a top 3 QB season is acceptable for that money. He looked like a loser most of the season before the Ravens hit their stride. Best thing he did in 15 games was dump off a 2 yard pass to Ray Rice on 4th and 29. Hey Diddle Diddle Ray Rice here to save Joe Flacco's dumbass up the middle. This is his first season with true standards, limping in by virtue of his good defense or typical Ray Rice goodness would make his contract terms seem like a mockery. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, are at no risk of ever looking "overpaid," Flacco has to control games on a weekly basis now. Training wheels are officially off that offense.

Doctego
05-02-2014, 10:01 PM
I know that Kyle won't like this but I, for one, trust what Newsome is doing there. You can't keep them all.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/01/2014-nfl-draft-baltimore-ravens-compensatory-picks/

Kyle
05-03-2014, 03:49 AM
Show me results, any well spoken GM could make their approach sound every bit as clever, unique, and out-of-the-box as Newsome does. The fact is the Ravens haven't really had a great year since their first SB win. So who cares how he approaches the draft or free agency? Its literally nothing more than one of 30 GM's preference. It clearly doesn't give him any sort of advantage or disadvantage because he hasn't built an elite team. They won another SB in an otherwise disappointing year on a playoff run enabled by one of the flukiest plays ever to end that Denver game. That SB winning team was a major work in progress with more flaws than strengths and I don't need to hear the guy who put that together bragging about his formula. Thats like asking a lotto winner for financial advice. Just because he won a million doesn't mean hes going to guide me to mine. Other teams can take notes on Newsome's formula and hope their inconsistent Joe Flacco might throw a lucky prayer at the end of a losing playoff game leading into a miracle SB run, but I'd go for a formula a bit more possible to replicate. The results don't show anything close to some sort of secret successful formula. Lets hear from the Patriots how they do what they do because they've been favored to win a SB every year for 10 years now. They're uniquely successful in the world of sports and football. Newsome's Ravens aren't. The Ravens haven't been considered strong SB contenders going into more than 2-3 of the last 10 seasons and I'm being generous by calling them strong contenders those 3 seasons.

I'm not taking anything away from the Ravens or Newsome's success there but hes never built a consistent contender as strong as the mid 2000's Steelers or the Patriots of the last 10 years and doesn't need to have his approach to the off season glorified (Not before he blows a whole bunch of air up his own ass with "Well I don't want to tip our secret to the league." Tip away tool, no one cares) just because of a lucky SB win two years ago.

You'd trust Newsome's taste buds if he told you bird shit tasted like chicken and you'd probably even believe you were tasting it too. There are better GMs more worth the mancrush. ;)

Doctego
05-03-2014, 06:16 AM
You can really find anything to argue when it fits your argument, huh? For someone that has been giving the Blues a pass when their playoff success has been nonexistent, you are the complete opposite when it comes to the Ravens. What do you think a team would rather do? Be great in the regular season and do nothing in the playoffs or have a "disappointing year" and win a title? Every team in every sport would take the latter. No matter how you look at it, the Ravens have been one of the best run franchises in the NFL. You mentioned since their first SB win. OK. Since then, they have a record of 122-86 and another title. That's an average season of 9.4-6.6. In a league built on parity, that's quite good. Mix in 7 double digit win seasons out of 13 and that's solid. You mentioned the Steelers, who happen to be in their division. Since Newsome took over, they're 105-71, with basically the same average season and 6 double digit win seasons in 11 years. They have been consistently better than almost every other team in the NFL over that period. You could make a case that only the Pats, Steelers, and Giants have been better. Maybe the Packers, too. For as good as the Pats have been, they probably won't win a title this year and that will be 10 years without one. If so, they would surely trade their success for that of the Ravens. The bottom line is that they have clearly been a top-5 NFL franchise over the past 10 years, since their first title, etc. They have had 3 under .500 seasons since their first title. All but a handful of teams would trade success with them over that period in a heartbeat.

I'm not saying that the Ravens have been the best team in the NFL. I'm just giving credit where it's due. They have clearly been towards the top. They have a plan and it's allowed them to remain towards the top of their division and to win a championship. Their GM has to get credit for that.

Doctego
05-03-2014, 10:26 AM
And, for the record, it pains me to defend that team. I don't like them. I just respect them.

Kyle
05-03-2014, 02:55 PM
The fact that you even mentioned the Giants as a team that could be better than the Ravens is not only the most effective way to make my argument, but really a bit sad for the Ravens. Have the Ravens really been that bad? Ouch. In fact, there was a 6 year stretch at just over .500 there after the first SB win. Pretty rough from a brilliant GM. I'll take whoever's been in charge of the Packers/Saints/Seahawks/49ers for sure. I'm just saying if you can pick out 2-4 GMs doing it a bit better in the same era, this guy's brilliance doesn't need to be glorified. Belichick built a team so good it lost its starting QB, replaced him with a total joke (Nay - a mockery), and still won 10 games, more than Newsome's average for 10 years. I know you don't need to hear a word about the Pats but they're really the only management job of our generation worth glorifying.

I specifically sniped out a chunk of the Steelers era to avoid the 10+ year comparison Doc. Steelers never had their Lewis/Reed for 10+ years. When the Steelers were good, the Ravens never approached that kind of success. Newsome has just been solid for a long time. But hes not being praised as solid. Hes being glorified as a brilliant mind within the sport who knows a little extra something that gives him that extra advantage. Give me a break. Unless he knew specifically what to put in Raheem Moore's lunch two years ago before the SB, I don't need to hear shit about how this guy rose to the top because it isn't a secret. We all know how the Ravens won a second SB, by struggling mightily all season and stringing together a miracle run. Not by virtue of wise management. Wise managing would've made the playoffs comfortably like the Packers/Patriots/Saints expect every year (With their starting QBs healthy of course). They're a pretty good team thats been due to struggle for a long time because of its rosters weakness on paper and abhorrent (By today's standards) quality of their franchise QB Joe Flacco. The same one they're hopelessly committed to for five years. They had a deceptively good run to start Flacco's career because of the perfect storm of Ed Reed/Ray Lewis meets Suggs/Ngata but who didn't expect that to fall apart once Lewis/Reed left? It clearly has.

I don't think many if any teams envy the Ravens, their approach, or their ability to put together a team. I don't think many teams wish they had Flacco. I don't think many teams want the Raven's roster if they could trade entirely. Any owner would prefer to work with Saints and their GM before the Ravens and Newsome. They'd want the Packers and their GM, the Seahawks, the 49ers, the Broncos, the Cardinals, even the Eagles. Those are all teams built better than the Ravens with much more promise thanks to not investing 20 million into a total joke and letting their most valuable players walk. I think absolutely nothing more needs to be said of how much we need to be glorifying Newsome's "team building" than the simple fact that they aren't one of the best rosters today. You're struggling to make a top 3-5 case over the last 10 years, but if we narrow to successful stretches of 5 years, plenty of other teams end up sliding ahead of Newsome's Ravens. Hes never been an elite squad 2-3 years in a row and doesn't deserve some greater respect just because hes been above average for 12 years with the two best defensive players of our generation (Lewis, Reed). We're talking about a guy who runs a team that we're never truly confident will make or even compete for the playoffs.I'm not saying he isn't a good or even a great GM who makes much more sensible decisions than nonsense decisions. He is that. But thats all he is. He hasn't represented any sort of unique approach with uniquely good results and insisting otherwise is just senselessly glorifying the man.

Newsome's nowhere near as high as you elevate him on the list of brilliant minds in sports. Doesn't even deserve the consideration. Hes a guy with a successful history in the draft and a ton of questionable decisions in free agency. The guy who signed a QB to the worst contract a QB has ever been signed to short of Matt Flynn. The guy who let Boldin go, replaced him with Steve Smith, and refuses to replace that joke Ray Rice as a starter. Until he builds a genuinely great team without Ed Reed/Ray Lewis hes just another quality manager who stumbled onto a few legends. Kenny H lost his gifts in Yzerman/Federov/Shanahan/Hull and rebuilt an entirely different elite roster. He's a uniquely brilliant GM in sports. Newsome did half as much with his gifts and is so far in the middle of a downward spiral without them. Until he proves he can rebuild an elite roster, hes not an elite GM, just a really good one who stumbled onto Lewis/Reed.


You can really find anything to argue when it fits your argument, huh?

Did you not post the article and mention me specifically to engage in this exchange? If I'm forcing the issue I'll gladly stop because I don't give a fuck and have adopted (Months ago) a wait and see approach with this Ravens franchise.

Doctego
05-03-2014, 06:42 PM
Did you not post the article and mention me specifically to engage in this exchange? If I'm forcing the issue I'll gladly stop because I don't give a fuck and have adopted (Months ago) a wait and see approach with this Ravens franchise.

I posted it to have a discussion in a slow time for football. Once the draft comes, we'll have a lot more to discuss and KK will come out of the woodwork.


Hes a guy with a successful history in the draft and a ton of questionable decisions in free agency.

That's the gist of the article. They get more compensatory picks than other teams. Just like we're going to be seeing with Seattle, you need to pick and choose who you sign and who you let go. Finding the right balance is key. I really don't see how we can say that they're in the middle of a downward spiral when they are one season removed from a title. I also can't withhold credit from Newsome for the last title because Lewis and Reed were shells of their former selves. Leadership? Sure. Performance? Not consistently in the least.

Kyle
05-03-2014, 08:31 PM
Thats what I figured Doc. I guess I misunderstood the sentence I quoted.

The downward spiral is certainly dramatic wording and they don't need to be concerned yet. I just feel like they're set up to fail with the contract situation with their core players.

Reed/Lewis weren't at their best at all. Flacco played lights out a few games and Boldin (The MVP of the playoff run) was just a different kind of monster in pursuit of his first SB. Clearly hungry after the loss with Arizona.

I don't think Newsome is anything less than a great GM. I wish the Lions had him. But if any of the GMs of the Packers, Saints, Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots, etc. are as well spoken as Newsome, you could interview them and get an equally romanticized and glorified description of their approach to the off-season. And it would sound brilliant because they're successful. But how much of Newsome's success is really based on that approach? How much has letting players walk helped him? Dilfer was the beneficiary of a world-class defense but they won games with him. They drop Dilfer for who? Garbage for year after year after year until Flacco. They were bad for 4 of 6 years there. The Raven's success has been built on Flacco, Lewis, Reed, Gnata, Suggs, Ogden, McAlister, J.Lewis...have any of those guys been acquired by waiting until the end of Free Agency or using compensatory picks?

If not, who really cares what Newsome thinks about all that? I can name examples where his method hurt. Boldin and Dilfer to name the notable few. I can't name any where its worked out and I won't simply say "The Ravens have had a great 12 years so Newsome's approach to free agents and compensatory picks must be brilliant." You can be less than smart with your free agent pick-ups and who you let walk and still enjoy a great 12-year stretch as long as you draft well which Newsome always has. I just don't see the connection to praising his tendency to let players walk because that still seems like a problem to me.