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eff1ngham
03-01-2008, 01:43 PM
Goodbye Javon Walker, have fun not playing for someone else:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlWAKIuHP3MnZIrGcLJp8nVDubYF?slug=ap-broncoscuts&prov=ap&type=lgns

I'm actually really sad that he has to go, I had high hopes for him, but it just didn't work out here. I think the Darrent Williams thing is still in his head, so I hope moving to another team is good for him.

The thing that pisses me off though is letting Jason Elam become a free agent. Not that we can't re-sign him, but why let him do this now? Last year we had a great chance to get Mason Crosby, but the team was all over keeping Elam and having him play out his career here. Why do something like this now, it's just dumb.

I'd imagine John Lynch will actually take a pay cut and keep playing here, just because his stock is pretty low right now. But he's still a leader on the team and I hope he sticks around.

I'm sad to hear that Cecil the Deisel wasn't re-signed. I hope we can find a way to keep him just because I love seeing the few guys from CSU that make it to the NFL have a job, especially here in Denver

King_Killah
03-04-2008, 07:59 PM
Kinda weird that they let Walker go. But they did sign Colbert. He should do well in Denver.

keys2aFranchise
03-05-2008, 12:04 AM
surprised me also that something couldn't be worked out with Walker; can't believe how much he got from the Raiders.

FlyGuy78
03-05-2008, 12:39 AM
woooohoooo!!! I'll take Walker!! :)

King_Killah
03-05-2008, 12:56 AM
woooohoooo!!! I'll take Walker!! :)

10000% upgrade over piece of shit Porter. Too bad, still no proven QB to through to him though. ;)

keys2aFranchise
03-05-2008, 09:19 AM
10000% upgrade over piece of shit Porter. Too bad, still no proven QB to through to him though. ;)

for that price he better be-

FlyGuy78
03-05-2008, 12:12 PM
10000% upgrade over piece of shit Porter. Too bad, still no proven QB to through to him though. ;)

Russell won't need much time to prove himself. ;)

keys2aFranchise
03-06-2008, 07:04 PM
added Boss Bailey, alot of $$$ but if it keeps Champ happy it's worth it.


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8478307?source=rss

King_Killah
03-06-2008, 07:14 PM
added Boss Bailey, alot of $$$ but if it keeps Champ happy it's worth it.


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8478307?source=rss

Ehhh....

King_Killah
06-17-2008, 01:20 PM
Brandon Marshall update.


Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) is ahead of schedule on his conditioning workouts. He even caught a few soft tosses with both hands this week, a sign of progress. Physically and mentally, Marshall said he is set to return from a severe right arm injury in which he lacerated an artery, vein, nerve, two tendons and three muscles. His three-month recovery time will be up June 22nd, when he can start catching live passes and working out to get ready for training camp, which starts July 25th.

Earlier reports were that he couldn't even wipe his own butt! Haha... Nasty bitch...

King_Killah
07-10-2008, 02:12 PM
More stupidity...


Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) was ticketed on June 12 for making an illegal lane change, according to Denver County Court records. Marshall, stopped on northbound Interstate-25, was also ticketed for not having his driver's license or proof of insurance, according to the court document. Marshall is scheduled to be arraigned on July 24, according to the records.

This is one of those incidents where, once you are marked as a guy in trouble...every little thing is magnified. Its stupid, he should have had a driver or at least his license and insurance.

King_Killah
07-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Update on Marshall.


An arraignment for Broncos WR Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php), who had an original court date of July 24, has been pushed back to August 12. Marshall was cited for making an illegal lane change after allegedly driving his Hummer H2 on the shoulder to pass two cars. He was also ticketed for not having his driver's license or proof of insurance, court documents say. Marshall was also arrested last October for a DUI after allegedly driving the wrong way on a one-way street in downtown Denver. An arraignment in that case is scheduled for Aug. 6.

His calendar must look like: Training Camp. Court. Court. Court.

King_Killah
07-31-2008, 04:06 PM
Denver Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler (http://www.footballguys.com/ScheTo00-1.php), who was limited in the offseason because of a foot injury, said he felt fine Saturday. "The biggest thing for me is that I got my wind back today. I struggled a little bit yesterday, just keeping my breath and that sort of thing," he said. "Foot felt great today. I didn't notice it the whole practice."

Scheffler has potential to be a top 5 TE in fantasy this year if he can stay healthy.

King_Killah
07-31-2008, 04:19 PM
If Denver Broncos WR Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) receives an NFL suspension from commissioner Roger Goodell for his off-field incidents, newly acquired WR Darrell Jackson (http://www.footballguys.com/JackDa00-1.php) as well as WR Keary Colbert (http://www.footballguys.com/ColbKe00-1.php) would be likely to start.
"It would be safe to say we'd be without our best player in the group. Everyone is talented, but he is extremely talented; he is the head of our group," Colbert said of Marshall. "If that happens, we have to be able to hold it down for him while he's out."

Marshall is by far the best WR in Denver. Its very clear that Denver needs him in the line-up as much as fantasy owners. However, remember, Denver is a run crazy team. So if Marshall is out, D-Jax, Colbert, and even Stokley will get balls thrown their way. But don't expect much.

Avaholic
08-01-2008, 12:42 AM
Scheffler has potential to be a top 5 TE in fantasy this year if he can stay healthy.

Cutler LOVES targeting Scheffler, that's for certain. It started when they got all those 2nd string reps back in the day. Scheffler's numerous nagging lower body injuries worry me, guy needs to get a full season in.

tets
08-01-2008, 07:45 AM
Lynch is gone
Who will sign him???

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8099f420&template=with-video&confirm=true

King_Killah
08-01-2008, 10:57 AM
Lynch is gone
Who will sign him???

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8099f420&template=with-video&confirm=true

A little more...


The Denver Broncos are expected on Thursday to release S John Lynch. During training camp, Lynch had been practicing exclusively in the team's base defense and only on early down situations. The Broncos have given the 16 year veteran permission to consider other options both inside and outside the game of football. In addition to the possibility of joining another team, television networks have shown interest in hiring Lynch as an analyst.

I don't see him on the field.

tets
08-01-2008, 01:25 PM
I dont think he would retire to the booth.....unless noone was interested in him...which wont happen.....at least in my opinion

dw13
08-01-2008, 01:32 PM
Finally Kerry Rhodes will rightfully make a Pro Bowl.

King_Killah
08-01-2008, 04:20 PM
I dont think he would retire to the booth.....unless noone was interested in him...which wont happen.....at least in my opinion

Not that many teams will be interested in a 37 year old safety. I am sure he still has some game left. But at most he will play 50% of plays, not the 100% that he wants. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. His agent talked to Chicago, as of now Chicago is uninterested. Maybe he can go back to Tampa and end his career where it started.

King_Killah
08-02-2008, 04:31 PM
Denver Broncos running back Ryan Torain (http://www.footballguys.com/ToraRy00-1.php) has been seeing reps with the first-team offense recently in Training Camp. "Coming out to Denver to play running back is a huge opportunity," Torain said. "They have a good thing going out there with this offense. I just have to stay positive and focused. Have fun with it, and good things will come."

You know Denver and its backs...

King_Killah
08-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Marshall will be suspended for three games but will have the possibility of reducing the suspension to two games if he undergoes counseling.

This puts his return right around the same time as Steve Smith. Hurts Marshall's fantasy numbers, hurts Cutler's as well...

FlyGuy78
08-04-2008, 06:32 PM
This puts his return right around the same time as Steve Smith. Hurts Marshall's fantasy numbers, hurts Cutler's as well...

I will say this though, if they drop a few rounds they are still a steal. 2-3 games in the beginning of the season isn't that big of a deal. Like you always say King, it's a marathon not a sprint.

eff1ngham
08-06-2008, 12:29 PM
He's going to appeal the suspension. Not sure if anything will come out of that, but at worst it sounds like 2 games for Marshall. It may hurt his value some, but I'd love to steal him a round or two late, same with Smith

FlyGuy78
08-06-2008, 02:00 PM
Torain fractured his elbow, out 2-3 months.

eff1ngham
08-07-2008, 11:11 AM
Yeah, that's really a shame. Everyone was talking about how impressive he was in camp and may have had a chance to start. I feel bad for the kid

King_Killah
08-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Maybe not as long as first expected...



Injury news out of Denver that you need to know about. Broncos RB Ryan Torain broke his elbow in a drill this morning and will miss 6-8 weeks.

Broncos rookie running back Ryan Torain is expected to be out 6-8 weeks with a broken bone in his elbow, head coach Mike Shanahan said Wednesday morning.

Torain was carted off the field during the team's 9-on-7 run-blocking period at practice earlier in the morning. Shanahan said the broken bone is where the radius meets the elbow.

Still sucks for the kid, and all the people who took him pretty early in drafts!

King_Killah
08-09-2008, 05:03 PM
We're talking kickers boys and girls...


Denver Broncos PK Matt Prater hit a 68 yard field goal in practice Saturday. Prater is the replacement for PK Jason Elam, who left for Atlanta after 15 years in Denver.

oh, and still a huge difference between practice and game time settings... Its like on Sundays when you are watching the games and a kicker is lined up for a field goal and the play-by-play guy throws in there, "he was kicking 70 yarders in the pre-game."

King_Killah
08-09-2008, 06:00 PM
took Denver Broncos rookie wide receiver Eddie Royal (http://www.footballguys.com/RoyaEd00-1.php) less than four months to become a starting receiver by their first preseason game. The rookie was moved ahead of veteran Darrell Jackson (http://www.footballguys.com/JackDa00-1.php) this week and will start Saturday night opposite Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) at receiver in the Broncos' preseason opener against the Houston Texans at Reliant Stadium. "He's earned the chance to start," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "He's practiced at a high level and done all the things you need to do to play with the first team."

Does this move Royal up on draft boards???? Not mine, not yet... We all know Shanahan uses a pencil when filling out depth charts, so one ill-productive day can scratch Royal right off the list. But for the time being, way to work Eddie.

eff1ngham
08-12-2008, 02:13 PM
While it's nice to see him working hard and getting a chance, but the #2 WR spot for the Broncos is not a very glamorous fantasy position. With Marshall out I suspect that Tony Scheffler will be getting most of the looks, and when he comes back most of our passing plays will be targeting them and our RBs

King_Killah
08-22-2008, 10:26 AM
The Denver Broncos Thursday announced that rookie RB Ryan Torain (http://www.footballguys.com/ToraRy00-1.php) is significantly ahead of schedule in his recovery from surgery to repair a broken bone in his elbow. Originally expected to be out for as long as three months, the team has now set the target date for Torain's return as October 20, a Monday night game at New England. Troy Asmus, Torain's agent, said, "Ryan is encouraged by this. Now it looks like he may be back for a significant part of the season.

Positive news for Torain... Torain owners though still need to be wary.

King_Killah
08-26-2008, 11:00 AM
Denver Broncos WR Darrell Jackson (http://www.footballguys.com/JackDa00-1.php) said on Monday that he has healed "tremendously" and expects to start in place of suspended WR Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) in the team's opening game. "My job is to get open and catch the ball and make blocks, things like that," he said. "I don't have to mesh with the offensive line or learn too many schemes. I run the routes that called and block. And I know everything that's going on."

Jackson could actually have huge value if you are looking for some quick points in the first couple of weeks. Jackson will get bumped once Marshall's suspension is up though, so might not be worth hanging onto for the long haul, but I would look at him in the mid-late rounds.

King_Killah
08-28-2008, 11:24 AM
I can see it now... On the Yahoo fantasy home page where it says: Keary Colbert has been dropped by 345,921 teams...


WR Keary Colbert (http://www.footballguys.com/ColbKe00-1.php) is reportedly on the bubble to make the Denver Broncos' final 53-man roster this weekend. The Broncos are apparently pleased with WR Brandon Marshall (http://www.footballguys.com/MarsBr00-1.php) and WR Eddie Royal (http://www.footballguys.com/RoyaEd00-1.php) as the starters with WR Brandon Stokely and WR Darrell Jackson (http://www.footballguys.com/JackDa00-1.php) backing them up. WR Glenn Martinez (http://www.footballguys.com/MartGl00-1.php) also has the chance to make the team as the kick returner, leaving little room for Colbert, reports ESPN.com's Bill Williamson.

Yeah...not looking good for Colbert in Denver. Perhaps Cincinnati can/will sign him. Maybe even Philly, although Andy Reid is adamant that the team will NOT bring in any other receivers. Colbert fits the Philly mold of receivers as far as the receivers they seem to like to bring in, so I wouldn't be surprised here if that happens.

eff1ngham
08-28-2008, 03:08 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Martinez makes the team over Colbert

eff1ngham
09-09-2008, 12:07 AM
I don't know if it's Denver looking great tonight, or Oakland just looking terrible, but I can't complain about how they're playing. The run defense is looking much better, even though Oakland hasn't had a chance to run all that much this game. Our running game is still looking solid, Cutler is looking healthy and had a nice game (he said his goal this season is to throw single digit INTs, and he had a nice efficient game tonight), and Eddie Royal was awesome tonight. I wonder if they'll keep finding ways to get him the ball even when Brandon Marshall comes back

dw13
09-09-2008, 12:08 AM
Denver looked good but dear lord... Oakland is pathetic.

King_Killah
09-09-2008, 08:49 AM
I don't know if it's Denver looking great tonight, or Oakland just looking terrible, but I can't complain about how they're playing. The run defense is looking much better, even though Oakland hasn't had a chance to run all that much this game. Our running game is still looking solid, Cutler is looking healthy and had a nice game (he said his goal this season is to throw single digit INTs, and he had a nice efficient game tonight), and Eddie Royal was awesome tonight. I wonder if they'll keep finding ways to get him the ball even when Brandon Marshall comes back

Yes. Royal is a monster. Marshall will get a lot of the double coverage. Royal will see the ball A LOT.

Avaholic
09-09-2008, 11:47 AM
Deangelo Hall, meet Eddie Royal. He's the guy carrying the team's luggage in off the bus.

School was in session.

The rookie repeatedly made the pro-bowler look foolish. My favorite was the out-and-up-and-out route in which Hall fell on his ass before the ball came out. Gotta respect the "twitch", Hall.

Get nice and comfy seeing Royal opposite Marshall the next 10 years!! Stokely in the slot, Scheffler working the middle? I'm lovin' it.

As far as the game, it's not even worth breaking down since it was complete domination in every facet. Big thumbs up to Dennison/Shanny on the playcalling. Everything worked.

Mike and Mike and Mike managed to be even worse than the silver and black. Apparently Golic knows everything, Ditka sounds like he's aged 75 years and lost his nutsack, and "Greeny" consistently undermines his own intelligence by lobbing softball questions to the 2 jocks. Is there an inside bet in the studio to see who can come up with the worst MNF hosts? "Bob's pick of Dennis Miller was pretty good, but watch THIS..."

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
09-09-2008, 09:03 PM
I was targeting Royal in a keeper league but ended up waiting too long... damn it. What do you guys make of Cutler stat wise this season?

eff1ngham
09-09-2008, 11:44 PM
What do you guys make of Cutler stat wise this season?

Well his goal is to throw fewer INTs this year, and I think he will. I'd put him at slightly higher in yardage and TD totals, and a few less picks, so maybe 3700-3800 yards, around 22 or 23 TDs and probably 10-11 INTs. Obviously I'd like to say 4000 yards, 26 TDs and 9 INTs, but I don't think he's quite there yet ;) Plus we've got a pretty tough start to year in terms of strength of schedule. But after our bye things get a little easier, so I think he'll be better in the second half of the season

King_Killah
09-14-2008, 09:19 AM
Deangelo Hall, meet Eddie Royal. He's the guy carrying the team's luggage in off the bus.

School was in session.

The rookie repeatedly made the pro-bowler look foolish. My favorite was the out-and-up-and-out route in which Hall fell on his ass before the ball came out. Gotta respect the "twitch", Hall.

Get nice and comfy seeing Royal opposite Marshall the next 10 years!! Stokely in the slot, Scheffler working the middle? I'm lovin' it.

As far as the game, it's not even worth breaking down since it was complete domination in every facet. Big thumbs up to Dennison/Shanny on the playcalling. Everything worked.

Mike and Mike and Mike managed to be even worse than the silver and black. Apparently Golic knows everything, Ditka sounds like he's aged 75 years and lost his nutsack, and "Greeny" consistently undermines his own intelligence by lobbing softball questions to the 2 jocks. Is there an inside bet in the studio to see who can come up with the worst MNF hosts? "Bob's pick of Dennis Miller was pretty good, but watch THIS..."

With free agency the way it is, I would be shocked to see Royal and Marshall together for thenext ten years, however if they can keep it together, that could be the next Holt/Bruce; Harrison/Wayne...

eff1ngham
09-14-2008, 06:51 PM
Wow, that was one of the craziest games I've seen. We got lucky, big time, but I'll take 2-0 no matter how we got there.

Cutler looked amazing at times, and completely retarded at others. I loved Shannanahan's "fuck it, let's go for the win" call. That probably gave Cutler a huge confidence boost (and he probably knew that we shouldn't have even had a chance to win).

Brandon Marshall absolutely owned Cromartie today, that was amazing. 18 catches, 166 yards and a TD, that's a nice first game back.

Like I said, I'll take 2-0 no matter how we got there. I just hope that win can carry over to next week, because we're going to need another big game to beat the Saints. And hopefully our defense can figure out how to stop something, because I don't really want to get into another shootout with a high-powered offense. But hey, at least we get another week of celebrating

Dubz
09-14-2008, 06:56 PM
:whogivesafuck:


:bs::bs::bs::bs::bs:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
09-14-2008, 06:59 PM
wow that was some BS

Avaholic
09-15-2008, 01:26 AM
wow that was some BS

I admit we caught a break on that late call. But over the course of a season, every team gets some calls that go for them and against them. My response to San Diego would be to not allow the referee to be put in a position to decide a game. This is 2 weeks in a row that they have played a "bend and then break" defense down the stretch.

Hard to say they deserved the win when they gave up 39 points, did not have a 60 yard rusher or rushing TD, nearly gave up the NFL record in receptions to Brandon Marshall, had a 4th and 4 chance to stop us and win the game (fail), had a 2 pt. conversion chance to stop us and win the game (fail), and lost the time of possession battle 34 to 26... It was one bad call, but I certainly don't feel like they deserved a W with their play.

Dubz
09-15-2008, 07:57 PM
Hochuli to be graded down

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nfl-blowncall&prov=ap&type=lgns

Shanahan has the biggest balls in the NFL!!!

gagne21
09-15-2008, 09:54 PM
I admit we caught a break on that late call. But over the course of a season, every team gets some calls that go for them and against them. My response to San Diego would be to not allow the referee to be put in a position to decide a game. This is 2 weeks in a row that they have played a "bend and then break" defense down the stretch.

Hard to say they deserved the win when they gave up 39 points, did not have a 60 yard rusher or rushing TD, nearly gave up the NFL record in receptions to Brandon Marshall, had a 4th and 4 chance to stop us and win the game (fail), had a 2 pt. conversion chance to stop us and win the game (fail), and lost the time of possession battle 34 to 26... It was one bad call, but I certainly don't feel like they deserved a W with their play.
Let me get this straight...you say that San Diego didn't deserve to win this game, yet the ONLY reason the Bronco's won was because of a blown call? What does that say about Denver if the Chargers didn't have LT going, gave up 39 points and whatnot and still should have won the game if it weren't for a bonehead play by Hochul (sp?).

Avaholic
09-16-2008, 12:39 AM
Let me get this straight...you say that San Diego didn't deserve to win this game, yet the ONLY reason the Bronco's won was because of a blown call? What does that say about Denver if the Chargers didn't have LT going, gave up 39 points and whatnot and still should have won the game if it weren't for a bonehead play by Hochul (sp?).

I said "hard to say that they deserved to win", not that they absolutely didn't. We could split hairs all day over the details of a shootout, but in the end one team is 2-0 and the other is 0-2. It was unfortunate that the bad call had to overshadow a great football game. I'm sure the Chargers will rebound and be a factor in the West.

eff1ngham
09-16-2008, 09:53 AM
the ONLY reason the Bronco's won was because of a blown call

Yes the blown call was huge, but San Diego still had a change to stop them on 3rd down, 4th down and on the 2-point conversion. It's not like that play actually ended the game. We were fortunate, there's no doubt about it, but there are missed calls every week in every game, this one just happened to come at the worst time for the Chargers.




Shanahan has the biggest balls in the NFL!!!

I loved the call. After watching it a few more times it did make a lot more sense to me. SD had no time outs, so they couldn't stop and regroup for the 2-point conversion, which gave the offense a clear advantage. Plus, after getting burned in OT last year, and seeing that we couldn't stop the Chargers at all in the second half, it made sense to just go for the win there down at the goal line rather than risk losing the coin toss in OT and losing on the first posession

King_Killah
09-17-2008, 03:28 PM
Yes the blown call was huge, but San Diego still had a change to stop them on 3rd down, 4th down and on the 2-point conversion. It's not like that play actually ended the game. We were fortunate, there's no doubt about it, but there are missed calls every week in every game, this one just happened to come at the worst time for the Chargers.



I loved the call. After watching it a few more times it did make a lot more sense to me. SD had no time outs, so they couldn't stop and regroup for the 2-point conversion, which gave the offense a clear advantage. Plus, after getting burned in OT last year, and seeing that we couldn't stop the Chargers at all in the second half, it made sense to just go for the win there down at the goal line rather than risk losing the coin toss in OT and losing on the first posession

But it was the same exact play call that gave them the TD and the 2-pointer. San Diego should have been able to come up with a stop.

WinnipegWingnut
09-17-2008, 04:56 PM
All I can say is THANKS MARSHALL!!! :D:D:D

King_Killah
09-18-2008, 05:38 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/4scy7p.jpg

Hochuli looking for a contact.

Dubz
09-18-2008, 07:50 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/4scy7p.jpg

Hochuli looking for a contact.

:lol::lol::lol::beer:

two24four
09-18-2008, 09:41 PM
Is Hochuli not the ref in this years Madden '09? I could be wrong, but it sure looks like him. If so can we add this to the Madden curse :lol:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
09-18-2008, 10:42 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/4scy7p.jpg

Hochuli looking for a contact.

Terrible

eff1ngham
09-21-2008, 09:38 PM
3-0 :) I still don't like the fact that our defense can't stop anyone, but our offense is looking awesome. This is the most fun I've had watching the Broncos in a while

King_Killah
09-22-2008, 08:12 AM
3-0 :) I still don't like the fact that our defense can't stop anyone, but our offense is looking awesome. This is the most fun I've had watching the Broncos in a while

The crazy thing is not that they can't stop anyone, because they can.... They take huge early leads....then something happens and the game turns into a nail-biter.

eff1ngham
09-22-2008, 08:45 AM
They have a lot of young players (especially on the O and D lines), and they tend to relax after getting a lead. They know they're doing it, in interviews after the game some of guys were saying that they can't expect the offense to score over 30 points every game, so they need to play hard the entire game. I'm hoping that next week we can shut down KC (not that that will be tough) and get some good momentum on the defensive side for our games against JAX, TB and NE. I'm not expecting shootouts in any of those, so that should be a good point in the schedule to judge how well they're going to do this season.

Even though they gave up a lot of points again, they had some big stops when they needed them :)

King_Killah
09-22-2008, 12:28 PM
They have a lot of young players (especially on the O and D lines), and they tend to relax after getting a lead. They know they're doing it, in interviews after the game some of guys were saying that they can't expect the offense to score over 30 points every game, so they need to play hard the entire game. I'm hoping that next week we can shut down KC (not that that will be tough) and get some good momentum on the defensive side for our games against JAX, TB and NE. I'm not expecting shootouts in any of those, so that should be a good point in the schedule to judge how well they're going to do this season.

Even though they gave up a lot of points again, they had some big stops when they needed them :)

I don't think KC will be much of an issue, but I do think Larry Johnson proved his point to the team. The first half they rarely fed him the ball and had 19 yards or something, the 2nd half when they used him more, he was productive and made the final look better than what it was.

eff1ngham
09-28-2008, 07:32 PM
Ugh. Not much to say about that shitty performance. Bad turnovers and bad tackling. The announcers were talking about how KC really wanted to win this game since it was at home, and they'd lost like 12 straight games, but I think that's bullshit. Denver had chances to take the lead or at least get points on the board and blew it by turning the ball over. Not to mention our defense couldn't stop anyone again, this is not looking good for them

b_illin
09-28-2008, 09:43 PM
And there goes my Survivor pick!

dw13
09-29-2008, 02:32 AM
Denver needs to figure it out on D. Need some stability there.

two24four
10-06-2008, 05:06 PM
Bill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos PK Matt Prater said he is expected to attempt a 64-yard field goal this season, which would be a league record. "We are going to try it this year," Prater said. "My coaches told me we are going to do it when we get the chance. I think I can do it."(KFFL)

__________________________________________________ ________________

This guy can kick, that's for sure, he kicked one from 56 yards yesterday, he's 4 for 4 this season from 50+ yards.

FlyGuy78
10-06-2008, 05:48 PM
he's looking to be a very good kicker and in that thin air of DEN, he could shine at home games.

eff1ngham
11-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Denver started Spencer Larsen at FB, LB and on special teams today:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvMn_.RBl9_2blFpuWtqAHmE2bYF?slug=ap-broncos2-waystarter&prov=ap&type=lgns

He was pretty good too, probably our best defensive player. Nice to see them get a win on the road like that. Jay Cutler with two straight 4th quarter comeback wins :beer:

Now we just need the Steelers to beat SD

eff1ngham
12-01-2008, 09:19 AM
Eddie Royal now has the Broncos rookie record for TD catches and yards. That guy has been a lot of fun to watch this year :yes:

eff1ngham
12-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Jesus, can we have some more injury problems please?

Hillis goes on IR (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txbroncoshillis&prov=st&type=lgns)

So far we've had Selvin Young, Andre Hall, Ryan Torain and now Peyton Hillis go down with injuries. And that's just at running back, that's not even counting WR, TE, D-line, linebacker and defensive back.....

keys2aFranchise
12-08-2008, 07:39 PM
Jesus, can we have some more injury problems please?

Hillis goes on IR (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txbroncoshillis&prov=st&type=lgns)

So far we've had Selvin Young, Andre Hall, Ryan Torain and now Peyton Hillis go down with injuries. And that's just at running back, that's not even counting WR, TE, D-line, linebacker and defensive back.....

don't forget Pittman. It's been a rough year for Bronco backs.

Spartan
12-30-2008, 05:34 PM
The rat has been fired????

dw13
12-30-2008, 05:34 PM
What in the world? Crazy stuff!

eff1ngham
12-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Here's to getting a better GM. Maybe we can get some defensive players who actually know what they're doing

b_illin
12-30-2008, 06:25 PM
Wow, unexpected....and maybe undeserved given his amazing track record in DEN? (it's not like he had an outstanding lineup and injuries fucked them at RB)

eff1ngham
12-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Since the super bowl teams we haven't had great success, especially in the post season. He was a great offensive coach, but he wasn't a good GM. Since the super bowl teams we haven't had good success with draft picks or free agents until the last few seasons. But it was kind of too late by then already. And missing the playoffs 3 years in a row didn't help. I'll miss his offense and coaching, but I'm looking forward to better roster management, especially better drafting of defensive players

keys2aFranchise
12-30-2008, 07:58 PM
I was wondering if this might happen during the second half of the game the other night after a camera shot of him on the sidelines but am still surprised.

Couldn't agree more eff1ngham. At least we'll still have the pieces of Shanny's offence but I am really looking forward to having a defence also.

Clayton is already pimping Cowher.:yes:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
12-30-2008, 08:37 PM
I was wondering if this might happen during the second half of the game the other night after a camera shot of him on the sidelines but am still surprised.

Couldn't agree more eff1ngham. At least we'll still have the pieces of Shanny's offence but I am really looking forward to having a defence also.

Clayton is already pimping Cowher.:yes:

everyone is pimping Cowher

b_illin
12-30-2008, 08:40 PM
everyone is pimping Cowher

they can all want him as much as they like, but the dude will always bleed steel! (even if/when he's coaching another team...he'll just be wishing it was the Steelers)

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
12-30-2008, 08:46 PM
they can all want him as much as they like, but the dude will always bleed steel! (even if/when he's coaching another team...he'll just be wishing it was the Steelers)

:lol:

I'm with you honey. I don't ever wanna see him on the sidelines ever again.. and while there's a good chance he comes back at some point, I don't think it'll be in 2009.



Cowher plans to speak publicly for the first time about the Jets' opening and other coaching opportunities during CBS' wild-card pregame show on Sunday, a source told 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand

Updated: December 30, 2008, 11:04 AM ET

Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who rejected a chance to become head coach of the Browns last weekend, is not going to interview for the head coaching position of the New York Jets, according to multiple sources.

Cowher, according to a source, has been contacted by the Jets. Although he is interested in the Jets job, he told the team he would not be a candidate because he would like to bring in his own personnel director. Jets owner Woody Johnson plans to keep Mike Tannenbaum as his general manager after firing Eric Mangini as head coach Monday.

With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010.

Cowher has told friends the Jets job interested him for several reasons. First, Cowher would love to coach in the New York market. Second, two of his daughters are either going to school or working in the New York-New Jersey area.

Cowher does plan to coach in 2010. In 2009, though, he was only willing to return if every situation was right for him. He wanted to have a two-year break from coaching to be with family and recharge.

Last weekend, Cowher met with Browns owner Randy Lerner, who asked him what it would take financially for him to be the Browns head coach. Having a close relationship with the Rooney family in Pittsburgh and still wanting more time with the family, Cowher didn't give Lerner a price, and said no.

Cowher recently extended his contract with CBS for another season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3799959 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3799959)

two24four
01-12-2009, 11:30 PM
Not that Cutler is not a good QB now, he is with out a doubt, but with Josh McDaniels now the coach in Denver, Cutler will be even that much better, enjoy Denver fans, just not vs us ;)

dw13
01-12-2009, 11:42 PM
Not that Cutler is not a good QB now, he is with out a doubt, but with Josh McDaniels now the coach in Denver, Cutler will be even that much better, enjoy Denver fans, just not vs us ;)

I wouldn't say getting McDaniels turns him instantly into a better QB. One of the best offensive minds in NFL history just left the Broncos.

two24four
01-12-2009, 11:51 PM
I wouldn't say getting McDaniels turns him instantly into a better QB. One of the best offensive minds in NFL history just left the Broncos.

Yeah but McDaniels is the man when it comes to QB's, that's his bread and butter.

dw13
01-12-2009, 11:52 PM
Yeah but McDaniels is the man when it comes to QB's, that's his bread and butter.

He also doesn't have a 5th of the experience Shanny has. That being said, I agree Cutler could possibly flurish in the O that McDaniel will bring to Denver.

King_Killah
03-01-2009, 05:41 AM
B-Dawk to finish his career in Denver.

eff1ngham
03-01-2009, 06:53 PM
I really want to find out more about the Cutler situation. I've seen tons of articles saying that "league sources" reported that the Broncos were involved in trade talks, but I haven't seen any actual news about then either being offered a trade, or them proposing a trade

keys2aFranchise
03-01-2009, 07:09 PM
It may be important to note, Tampa Bay initiated the deal. And it wasn't the only team that inquired about acquiring Cutler.
"He's not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on," McDaniels said. "We've received trade calls on a number of players, which is not uncommon this time of the year. I also think the sensitivity of the other trade that was occurring, with my relationship with New England and the whole Cassel thing, I think that stirred the pot even more."

__
you've probably already seen that though.


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11810112

King_Killah
03-01-2009, 10:56 PM
A lot of what I have read earlier is that management isn't happy with Cuts because he has openly spoken out against the Shanahan firing.

dw13
03-01-2009, 10:57 PM
Call up the Gang Green, lets talk about Cutler.

keys2aFranchise
03-02-2009, 06:39 PM
"I heard one other interesting thing Sunday: Cutler asked for a trade shortly after the Broncos lost offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates -- Cutler's confidant -- to USC after the season. So maybe both sides need to go into marriage counseling here."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/01/freeagency/index.html

b_illin
03-12-2009, 02:13 PM
If they trade Cutler for a 2nd round pick, ppl should get fired. Wtf was mgmt thinking in pissing off the franchise?!?!? Talk about stupid!

Spartan
03-12-2009, 03:09 PM
If they trade Cutler for a 2nd round pick, ppl should get fired. Wtf was mgmt thinking in pissing off the franchise?!?!? Talk about stupid!Well they certainly botched their handling of the issue. But I seriously doubt Cutler will fetch a 2nd rounder. I'm quite sure the Jets, Bucs, Bears, Lions or Texans would gladly part with a mid-first rounder to get him.

b_illin
03-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Well they certainly botched their handling of the issue. But I seriously doubt Cutler will fetch a 2nd rounder. I'm quite sure the Jets, Bucs, Bears, Lions or Texans would gladly part with a mid-first rounder to get him.

Still, even a mid-1st isn't enough in my eyes - the dudes proven he is a stud...which is more than can be said about any 1st rounder in this draft. I just don't get it...someone's head should roll...and I imagine Bronco's fans are tres pissed!

keys2aFranchise
03-12-2009, 04:32 PM
where are you seeing 2nd round pick?

b_illin
03-12-2009, 04:52 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/broncos-talk-with-cutler-sours-211859.html

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/could-a-lions-draftday-deal-be-in-the-works-for-broncos-quarterback-jay-cutler-212079.html

keys2aFranchise
03-12-2009, 05:03 PM
thanks B_

The rumours I heard was for a first rounder, which they would have sent to Pats for Cassels.

Am really not impressed with the new regime in the Mile High City. I'll take the 25 year old franchise QB over the 32 rookie head coach any day of the week (and twice on Sundays)

The thing is Cutler needs to suck it up; at one point even Elway was almost dealt from Denver.

b_illin
03-12-2009, 06:10 PM
thanks B_

The rumours I heard was for a first rounder, which they would have sent to Pats for Cassels.

Am really not impressed with the new regime in the Mile High City. I'll take the 25 year old franchise QB over the 32 rookie head coach any day of the week (and twice on Sundays)

The thing is Cutler needs to suck it up; at one point even Elway was almost dealt from Denver.

I agree - they were approached with a deal, they didn't go looking for it...but somehow something got fucked up because I don't think Cutler is the type of guy to get this upset without a bigger reason than having his ego was bruised with the talk of a trade (that was a crazy low price for him if any of the rumours are true), but he's not some fragile primadonna...something smells funny.

Spartan
03-12-2009, 09:24 PM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/03/but-seriously-what-the-hell-is-denver-doing.html#more-12610

Dubz
03-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Sounds like a good fit for the LIONS...they are pretty good at dissolving careers early/quickly. I think they could make a decent bid....I wont get hopes up though. I think he stays in DEN

b_illin
03-15-2009, 12:23 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/cutler-makes-a-move-212879.html

"Don't do it, Broncoland. Don't connect the dots. Even if they do line up in perfect order, remember what teachers and coaches always said about those who assume. Disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler has put his primary residence in Parker up for sale, with a listing price of $2 million. This decision for a lifestyle change comes amid the soap opera that has been dubbed McJaygate - his feud with first-year coach Josh McDaniels. The easy assumption, that a trade is in the works, however, may not be what it seems. A source close to Cutler said he most likely will attend McDaniels' first team meeting Monday and that the quarterback has considered selling his home for more than a year. Why? Because Cutler is a
25-year-old bachelor who has come to realize his 7,516-square-foot home that sits on a 1 1/2-acre spread is too big for a guy who lives alone. Cutler bought the house in Parker in 2006 for $1.34 million. Fuller Sotheby's International Realty is the listing office for the sale of Cutler's house. Cutler also has a penthouse condominium in downtown Denver. Cutler has been upset since learning Feb. 28 he was part of trade talks that never materialized. Cutler believes he has information that McDaniels aggressively tried to shop him, despite the coach's statements to the contrary."

moans
03-16-2009, 01:25 AM
Cutler asks to be traded
http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=271443&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

two24four
03-16-2009, 11:08 AM
They should trade him to Minny, Peterson + Cutler would be pretty sick.

Rangers Win
03-16-2009, 11:12 AM
Cutler asks to be traded
http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=271443&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

I can't believe the way this has played out. A lot of teams can use a 25 year old QB who has top 5 talent. I thought things would get patched up and he would be with Denver for the next 10 years.

Now its looking more like he will be moved. Denver and Detroit seem to be talking trade.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/lions_poised_to_pounce_as_cutl.html

Cutler to Calvin Johnson would be great for years.

b_illin
03-16-2009, 11:47 AM
You know what, I don't blame Jay for being insulted - what has Cassel done that is SO great that they would be willing to get rid of Cutler so they can bring in a career (even in Uni) back-up over a kid, who even when drafted after other big names, was considered to be the one who would be the best in a few years....so far he is!

Tres WEAK by the Broncos Coaching staff/Mgmt team

eff1ngham
03-16-2009, 01:16 PM
:cry: My coach doesn't like me, I'm going to cry about it :cry:

:rolleyes:

Seriously Jay, be a man about this don't go around pouting like a little kid. Yes Cutler has great potential, but it's not like he's led the Broncos to a playoff win yet, or even the playoffs period. I'm not dissing him, but he's a QB with a rating under 90 and a career .500 record. Again, I'm not dissing him, but it's not like he's in a position to say he's bigger than the coaches or the owner. He should have handled himself better. I don't want to see him go because I really like that guy, and think he'll be great, but the way his handling this isn't winning him any points. It's not the coach's job to kiss your ass, and it's not the owner's. He should have just shown up, taken the trade talk like a man, and proved that he can run the new offense. Of course that being said, McDaniel and company better know what they're doing, because messing with the only part of the team that worked isn't going to win them any points (unless of course the Broncos make the playoffs, then it'll be "Jay who?")

keys2aFranchise
03-16-2009, 05:39 PM
while I agree to a certain extent with you Eff I think at some point McDaniel needs to play the 'game' a little better here also.

I didn't like the idea of replacing Cutler with Cassels in the first place, but now that Cassels is not available, it's time the coach gets behind the franchise QB, however that might be.

Doctego
03-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I can't believe the way this has played out. A lot of teams can use a 25 year old QB who has top 5 talent. I thought things would get patched up and he would be with Denver for the next 10 years.

Now its looking more like he will be moved. Denver and Detroit seem to be talking trade.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/lions_poised_to_pounce_as_cutl.html

Cutler to Calvin Johnson would be great for years.

He has a top 5 arm but not top 5 talent, IMHO. I'm not sure that he will ever become the top QB that some are predicting. This whole scenario is driving me crazy. Josh McDaniel?? You are a 32 year old kid who rode a HOF QB to a top NFL head coaching job. How about you learn to STFU and not ruffle feathers until your office seat is warm?? Jay Cutler?? How about you learn to STFU as well?? You haven't done shit in this league. Your new coach did what any coach should be doing.......Looking at his options in order to improve the team. I don't believe that anyone on any team should be truly untouchable. For the right price, anyone could and should be traded (for the most part). McDaniel lied like an idiot but what else did he do wrong?? Be careful what you wish for, Jay. Play your cards wrong and you could be playing for the Lions.

Doctego
03-16-2009, 06:54 PM
You know what, I don't blame Jay for being insulted - what has Cassel done that is SO great that they would be willing to get rid of Cutler so they can bring in a career (even in Uni) back-up over a kid, who even when drafted after other big names, was considered to be the one who would be the best in a few years....so far he is!

Tres WEAK by the Broncos Coaching staff/Mgmt team

I don't blame the Broncos one bit. Cutler was deemed to be overrated in that draft by many "experts" and he has done nothing in the NFL to date to change those minds. Assuming that Denver might be changing their tune on him, wouldn't it be smarter to deal him while he has more value?? If he doesn't improve over the next season or 2, their trade value will certainly go down. I don't blame Denver for at least exploring their options.

two24four
03-16-2009, 08:01 PM
Did Cutler really say he will be better then Elway when it's all said and done? Someone told me this today, I dont remember hearing anything about this if he did.

Doctego
03-16-2009, 08:04 PM
Did Cutler really say he will be better then Elway when it's all said and done? Someone told me this today, I dont remember hearing anything about this if he did.

No. He said that he had a stronger arm than Elway.

two24four
03-16-2009, 08:07 PM
No. He said that he had a stronger arm than Elway.

ahhh ok, I see.

Dubz
03-16-2009, 08:12 PM
Thats like saying "I might not be better than Elway in bed but I do have a bigger cock"

I really hope he comes to DET but I still doubt it.

keys2aFranchise
03-16-2009, 08:16 PM
Thats like saying "I might not be better than Elway in bed but I do have a bigger cock"


:lol::lol:

b_illin
03-16-2009, 08:38 PM
I don't blame the Broncos one bit. Cutler was deemed to be overrated in that draft by many "experts" and he has done nothing in the NFL to date to change those minds. Assuming that Denver might be changing their tune on him, wouldn't it be smarter to deal him while he has more value?? If he doesn't improve over the next season or 2, their trade value will certainly go down. I don't blame Denver for at least exploring their options.

Nor do I as I said earlier in the thread, but I think it was more about McDaniels trying to get Cassel specifically then the idea that the Bronco's exploring trade options...and as a guy who doesn't get the big fuss about Cassel (let's see a full season of great play), I could appreciate how Cutler might get irked...then if nobody from the team talked to him (which it sounds like - McDaniel's seems to have half-assed that aspect), I could see how he'd get more upset. He is being a baby about it, but sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and if things are this rocky with the new coach now, maybe it's time to be going. While no one person or party is to blame, I blame the Broncos more than I blame Cutler.

MrScientist
03-17-2009, 01:04 PM
How long was Cutler playing with undiagnosed diabetes? I remember the story that it was fucking his game up pretty bad, and that could play into people's perception of his stats

two24four
03-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Not sure how true this is, but heard on the radio today that Denver could trade Cutler to KC for Cassel + a 2nd & 3rd round picks.

keys2aFranchise
03-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Not sure how true this is, but heard on the radio today that Denver could trade Cutler to KC for Cassel + a 2nd & 3rd round picks.

does KC still have a second? I can't see dealing with KC, although if McDaniel doesn't think Cutler is any good I suppose it's not that unreasonable.

I also heard:

B. Quinn to Denver;
Cutler and Scheffler to Washington
Campbell and Cooley to Cleveland

As a Broncos fan I am not sure I like the idea of dealing both Cutler and Scheff and not getting some sort of pick back, but maybe that's just because 24 got me dreaming about picks :D

two24four
03-17-2009, 08:27 PM
does KC still have a second? I can't see dealing with KC, although if McDaniel doesn't think Cutler is any good I suppose it's not that unreasonable.

I also heard:

B. Quinn to Denver;
Cutler and Scheffler to Washington
Campbell and Cooley to Cleveland

As a Broncos fan I am not sure I like the idea of dealing both Cutler and Scheff and not getting some sort of pick back, but maybe that's just because 24 got me dreaming about picks :D

Again, just what I heard being talked about today on the radio.

keys2aFranchise
03-17-2009, 08:44 PM
Again, just what I heard being talked about today on the radio.

I was just discussing it, not questioning you.

two24four
03-17-2009, 09:53 PM
I was just discussing it, not questioning you.

I know, I was just making sure you did not think I just came up with that.

Who know's what's going to happen here, I have also heard Cutler to DET for the 1st pick so they can draft Staffard. That wont be cheap thou.

eff1ngham
03-18-2009, 09:06 AM
There was also talks or trading him to Dallas for Tony Romo.

The thing is, Cutler asked for the trade, but Denver doesn't have to trade him. There have been plenty of coaches and players who hated each other, but still played and won (Gary Payton and George Karl when they were on the Sonics is an example, Karl was actually on the radio talking about that the other day.) Cutler is under contract, so it's not like he can just not play. And the more they talk about trading him to teams like Cleveland or Detroit, he might change his mind. Denver is at least a stable organization, and they have a chance to make the playoffs. Does Jay want to go to a team that will be re-building, or in Detroit's case, basically starting from scratch? Maybe once cooler heads prevail Cutler and McDaniel and company will agree to work things out. Or they'll trade him, who knows, there's nothing much but rumors right now, but there's supposedly another "meeting" scheduled for this week

Spartan
03-31-2009, 08:23 PM
Bowlen Says Broncos Will Trade Cutler (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/31/bowlen-says-broncos-will-trade-cutler/)

Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2009, 9:14 p.m. EDT
Wow.
The calendar doesn’t yet say April 1, but we’re not sure that the Broncos haven’t gotten a head start on the process.
In a statement released Tuesday night, owner Pat Bowlen says that the team will accommodate quarterback Jay Cutler’s request for a trade:
“Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by [coach] Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful.
“A conversation with his agent earlier today clearly communicated and confirmed to us that Jay no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncos.
“We will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request to be traded.”
Did we say, “Wow”?
If there was any doubt, the auction is open. Let the bidding begin.


I will speculate the Jets get this deal done.

boredguy
03-31-2009, 09:01 PM
I was actually sorta on Cutler's side at first, there was no way the Broncos should have let it become publicly known they were looking at trading for Cassels. But holy fuck, get over it and stop being a whiny cunt.

two24four
03-31-2009, 11:05 PM
I was actually sorta on Cutler's side at first, there was no way the Broncos should have let it become publicly known they were looking at trading for Cassels. But holy fuck, get over it and stop being a whiny cunt.

Agreed, 10 days and he cant return a phone call to the team owner :rolleyes: get over it dude, he's making himself look like a douche now.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-31-2009, 11:09 PM
wow what a baby. Could turn out to be a great long term QB investment for whoever but grow the fuck up kiddo. This raises character issues if you ask me. I wouldn't want this drama coming to my team.

Spartan
03-31-2009, 11:19 PM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

dw13
04-01-2009, 12:04 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

Great post.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-01-2009, 12:14 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

Depends on how much I am being paid.... :D

I get what you are saying here but as far as I know the guy is still under a contract with Denver and he coulda manned up and had himself a little chat. Even if it's just to say go fuck yourself, I deserve more than that, trade me. Obviously his desire to not want to be a part of the Broncos organization anymore has been communicated in one sense or another, and I don't think anyone is arguing the point that he has a right to be pissed off, but it's starting to sound like the kid is playing the silent treatment game, which is pretty silly and childish if you ask me.

Not saying it happens but hypothetically... what would Cutler do if Denver opts to sit on him rather than trade him away? Say they tell him to either play or ride the bench all season? Is he gonna sit there moping for the entire season and not say anything? Not show up to camp, etc, etc... ? You gotta have a sense of maturity during these sort of situations and consider all possibilities. Just my two cents.

dw13
04-01-2009, 12:20 AM
Lets just hope the Broncos loss will be the Gang Greens gain :D

Spartan
04-01-2009, 12:27 AM
Depends on how much I am being paid.... :D

I get what you are saying here but as far as I know the guy is still under a contract with Denver and he coulda manned up and had himself a little chat. Even if it's just to say go fuck yourself, I deserve more than that, trade me. Obviously his desire to not want to be a part of the Broncos organization anymore has been communicated in one sense or another, and I don't think anyone is arguing the point that he has a right to be pissed off, but it's starting to sound like the kid is playing the silent treatment game, which is pretty silly and childish if you ask me.NFL contracts are non binding so they mean dick. Like I illustrated before Denver can tell him nothing anymore because they have already lied and shown no faith in him. Nothing they can say changes that. Cutler is out of it now, let his agent handle the business dealings.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 06:47 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

Except the Broncos acknowledged it happened. They said they listened to offers, which is part of their responsibility to improve the franchise. I'm a Broncos fan, and I (sort of) wish they would have made Cutler 'off limits' but if you designate him as untradeable wouldn't Champ deserve same thing? .

Claiming the Broncos do not believe in him, is a bit misleading when you factor in his contract; to my knowledge none of us have a 6 year contract worth tens of millions- how does that not show faith? Even if all the years are not guaranteed, most people's jobs are day to day not years. Should I be offended because my employer hasn't offered me a job for the next 6 years right out of school?

Real life doesn't translate to professional sports


NFL contracts are non binding so they mean dick. Like I illustrated before Denver can tell him nothing anymore because they have already lied and shown no faith in him. Nothing they can say changes that. Cutler is out of it now, let his agent handle the business dealings.

The agent is the problem which is why they were trying to make direct contact with Cutler.

As disappointing as this has been, I am glad that a decision has been made about how to move on, even if it is without our Franchise QB

Dubz
04-01-2009, 07:13 AM
Im hoping the Lions can pull a 3 way deal with the Browns and Broncs....until Cutler is moved I will be toe tapping. The Lions will try to get him and I think this may be route to do so.

I thought he would suck it up and play, I was very wrong.

Doctego
04-01-2009, 07:19 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

Nice post but I see some differences. Rightly or wrongly, McDaniels came with some credibility. As for trying to replace him, I have a major issue with people having a problem with this. If the coach/GM, etc. isn't constantly looking for ways to potentially improve their team, they're not doing their job. How do we know that Cassel isn't even remotely qualified as Cutler?? Both are unproven and, in my opinion, Cutler is 1 of the most overrated players to come into the NFL in years. There is no way that anyone can guarantee that Cutler will be a top 5 QB in this league and that is the way that a lot of people have been acting since this bullshit started.

Coming into the league, a lot of people were on Cutler's nuts but a lot of people also didn't like what they saw. The NFL is a system league and Cassel had a lot of success running McDaniels' system. Anyone in the league, save for a small handful of guys, is replaceable.

Spartan
04-01-2009, 07:44 AM
Come on you can't see the difference between Cutler and Cassel? You're kidding yourself. Cutler made the pro-bowl in his second full year as a starter. He had a high draft status and lived up to it in a market where its tough to do. The offense is better because of him, he can run the whole thing. Cassel is a system plug in that played okayish until the coaches altered the scheme to cover his flaws. Don't even compare college careers although to his credit Lane Kiffin's clipboard was always at the ready, Cassel kept good track of it.

I'm not sure about top 5, but he is not far from it.

b_illin
04-01-2009, 09:09 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

I agree....fault lies with the Broncos....they severely fucked this up.

eff1ngham
04-01-2009, 09:47 AM
OKm imagine you are the top employee at the company you work at. Your management is fired and replaced with guys from a competitor across town. These new guys come from a reputable company but themselves have no credibility. Before even meeting you they try to replace you with a guy from their old company that is not even remotely as qualified as you are. To make it worse they deny it ever happened.

Would you want to work for someone that does not believe in you, lies to you, and would replace you if given a chance? Of course not.

There is no reason for him to contact the Broncos anymore. They have no credibility left.

This happens all the time in the real world. Management changes, ownership goes different directions, etc. You job is never safe if your employer feels they can do something to make the organization better. My company was bought out with all management replaced and tons of employees let go. That's just the way things work in the real world. And it happens even more so in sports. Not realizing that makes Jay look like a baby. And not contacting the team at all during it just shows that he doesn't have the makeup of a great starting QB.

I wouldn't say that they were trying to replace him with a someone not as qualified. For as much talent as Jay has in terms of throwing and running, he's has a losing record, turns the ball over a lot, hasn't even been to the playoffs, and was part of one of the biggest chokes in recent memory (not all this fault, but he did not play well in our last 4 games). It's not like this guy is a proven winner. And on top of that, it was painfully obvious as the year went on that he can't read defenses and can't check down past the top 2 receivers. Add that to trying to force passes in because of his arm strength and that doesn't mean that he's "more qualified" to be a QB than anyone else.


Come on you can't see the difference between Cutler and Cassel? You're kidding yourself. Cutler made the pro-bowl in his second full year as a starter. He had a high draft status and lived up to it in a market where its tough to do. The offense is better because of him, he can run the whole thing. Cassel is a system plug in that played okayish until the coaches altered the scheme to cover his flaws. Don't even compare college careers although to his credit Lane Kiffin's clipboard was always at the ready, Cassel kept good track of it.

I'm not sure about top 5, but he is not far from it.

The pro-bowl doesn't mean shit. Brett Favre made the pro-bowl last year. Jay has physical talent, however you can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have the head to be a QB then you'll never amount to anything (Jeff George or Ryan Leaf anyone).

And have you noticed how none of his teammates are really coming out to defend him? That's not because they're afraid of getting traded, it's because of the way he's acting.

I really liked having Jay here, but the Broncos were more successful when Jake the Snake was running things. I'd rather have a QB that can win and that teammates like, than one who puts up great numbers or has a ton of physical talent.

If the Lions won't trade the #1 pick, and we can't get Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson, then maybe we'll try and sign Jeff Garcia and can get a few picks to spend on defensive players. Though I've been hearing that Washington is making the biggest push to trade for Jay (and that the Broncos don't want to deal him to a team in the AFC if possible)

two24four
04-01-2009, 12:11 PM
As long as DEN is ok with paying top money for the 1st overall pick, I think they will make a trade with DET for that pick, as long as DET is also ok with dealing it.

Spartan
04-01-2009, 02:29 PM
Nobody wants the number one pick, it costs too much. Stafford would be paid more than Cutler from day one. The Jets or Bucs will give two firsts and a player.

Bring on the Chris Simms era in Denver...watch what you wish for.

two24four
04-01-2009, 03:02 PM
Minny should try for him as well, Cutler and Peterson would be pretty damn good.

dw13
04-01-2009, 03:35 PM
Minny should try for him as well, Cutler and Peterson would be pretty damn good.

They don't have the ammo, imo.

eff1ngham
04-01-2009, 04:12 PM
The Bucs have the best shot since Denver doesn't want Jay to end up in the AFC. But of the AFC teams, the Browns have the best chance since they have two QBs, and they could part with Sean Rogers as well

dw13
04-01-2009, 04:18 PM
The Bucs have the best shot since Denver doesn't want Jay to end up in the AFC. But of the AFC teams, the Browns have the best chance since they have two QBs, and they could part with Sean Rogers as well

Lets hope, Browns/Jets/Denver combine for a nice 3 teamer that sends Cutler to the Gang Green.

eff1ngham
04-01-2009, 04:30 PM
I think that's the Jet's best shot, as they need something else to offer to get Jay. Their picks aren't strong enough on their own, and they don't really have any players to offer from what I've heard.

Some interesting rumors were Hasselbeck and the seahawks 1st rounder for Jay. And McNabb and Philly's pick for him. I think those are more longshots than anything else though

two24four
04-01-2009, 04:58 PM
The Bucs have the best shot since Denver doesn't want Jay to end up in the AFC. But of the AFC teams, the Browns have the best chance since they have two QBs, and they could part with Sean Rogers as well

I would be trying get Brady Quinn over Anderson if that's who they trade with.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 05:03 PM
Lets hope, Browns/Jets/Denver combine for a nice 3 teamer that sends Cutler to the Gang Green.

Rotoworld mentioned David Harris

eff1ngham
04-01-2009, 05:12 PM
I would be trying get Brady Quinn over Anderson if that's who they trade with.

I believe Quinn is the only option they're looking at (I haven't heard any talk of Derek Anderson being traded). Really though, it's up to the browns whether they want to make an offer, I've only heard rumors since about them since they have a QB to spare

dw13
04-01-2009, 05:43 PM
Rotoworld mentioned David Harris

Good thing Rotoworld doesn't know much

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 06:03 PM
Good thing Rotoworld doesn't know much

you do realize they just report other sources right?


The Star-Ledger inquired this afternoon if Tannenbaum is indeed gunning for Cutler; if he has made an offer yet to the Broncos, and if he would be willing to use Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis and/or LB David Harris as bait to sweeten any deal.
This response just came in from a team spokesman: "As you can probably appreciate, I have received questions throughout the day. Mike has asked me to decline comment."

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_jets_decline_comment.html

Snipes16
04-01-2009, 06:05 PM
Not that I think either team will pull the trigger but a Cutler for Cassel deal would be a pretty interesting scenario. Maybe not for Bowlen or Pioli but McDaniels would be all over it.

Carolina would be a nice fit for Cutler especially with Jake looking like manure last year.

dw13
04-01-2009, 06:14 PM
you do realize they just report other sources right?


The Star-Ledger inquired this afternoon if Tannenbaum is indeed gunning for Cutler; if he has made an offer yet to the Broncos, and if he would be willing to use Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis and/or LB David Harris as bait to sweeten any deal.
This response just came in from a team spokesman: "As you can probably appreciate, I have received questions throughout the day. Mike has asked me to decline comment."

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_jets_decline_comment.html

My point is, they will not use Revis for sure, and Harris would maybe be Harris+a second round pick. Tops.

It won't happen with either.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 06:20 PM
My point is, they will not use Revis for sure, and Harris would maybe be Harris+a second round pick. Tops.

It won't happen with either.

I think I'd be ok with Harris + 2nd :D

If neither will happen I think you might as well give up hope of getting Cutler, I know those guys are special players but so is Cutler. There might be some lost leverage after the last month but I can't see the Broncos not getting more than just picks, (especially from an AFC team).

b_illin
04-01-2009, 06:42 PM
If Cutler can potentially get package like Revis or Harris + 1st OR Quinn + 1st, etc. AND if Cassel was traded for a 2nd, then maybe we can see why Jay is pissed....f'uck the new coach and his system if they value me so little they'll kick me to the curb for a career backup just because he fits their system'. Perhaps if they the Broncos had handled it better and Cutler didn't have to find out reading about it like everybody else, then he might not be such a baby, but given these rumours, it just shows why he has reason to be pissed. Mgmt botched it all since this news first broke and here we are -- it's well past the point of no return.

dw13
04-01-2009, 06:48 PM
If Cutler can potentially get package like Revis or Harris + 1st OR Quinn + 1st, etc. AND if Cassel was traded for a 2nd, then maybe we can see why Jay is pissed....f'uck the new coach and his system if they value me so little they'll kick me to the curb for a career backup just because he fits their system'. Perhaps if they the Broncos had handled it better and Cutler didn't have to find out reading about it like everybody else, then he might not be such a baby, but given these rumours, it just shows why he has reason to be pissed. Mgmt botched it all since this news first broke and here we are -- it's well past the point of no return.

Revis for Cutler straight up isn't even fiar... so I don't know where you get that from. It would NEVER happen

Harris + 2nd. (still Jets won't do it)

I've heard our 17th pick this year, a third rounder this year and Clemens or Ratliff would be enough. Just what I have heard though.

b_illin
04-01-2009, 06:57 PM
Revis for Cutler straight up isn't even fiar... so I don't know where you get that from. It would NEVER happen

Harris + 2nd. (still Jets won't do it)

I've heard our 17th pick this year, a third rounder this year and Clemens or Ratliff would be enough. Just what I have heard though.

I got it above and assumed it was including the 1st. All I am saying is Cutler is worth WAY more than Cassel.

dw13
04-01-2009, 07:48 PM
I got it above and assumed it was including the 1st. All I am saying is Cutler is worth WAY more than Cassel.

My point is Revis is WAY more valuable than Cutler.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 07:54 PM
My point is Revis is WAY more valuable than Cutler.

even if you factor in their contracts?



We got Bailey and an early second rounder for Portis.

dw13
04-01-2009, 07:56 PM
even if you factor in their contracts?

Remember: Bailey and an early second rounder for Portis.

What would be the big factors in these two contracts? I don't think it would play even a minor role. I'd (and the Jets) would not move Revis for about anyone right now.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 07:58 PM
Cutler is signed longer, and Revis will get big bucks, (and sooner) Granted Cutler will also, but I would think most teams would rather invest the money into the QB position.

Not sure if this is right:
http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/08/17/details-out-on-darrelle-revis-contract/

Also, I didn't make up the rumour, it was New York media who I assume would have a decent idea about the team (which even sounded dumb as I typed :))

dw13
04-01-2009, 08:09 PM
Cutler is signed longer, and Revis will get big bucks, (and sooner) Granted Cutler will also, but I would think most teams would rather invest the money into the QB position.

Not sure if this is right:
http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/08/17/details-out-on-darrelle-revis-contract/

Also, I didn't make up the rumour, it was New York media who I assume would have a decent idea about the team (which even sounded dumb as I typed :))

I would like to know what exact NY Media outlet made that idea. Revis is the best player on the Jets, and is a top3 CB in the league right now. And big bucks when you have defensive minded coach, and a good defense should go to the CB that has been with the team from day 1. Not the QB that could possibly come over.

Revis will not be moved for Cutler. It won't happen, and it won't be discussed between the teams.

I could see Harris being dangled because of the chance at a ILB in the draft to go with Bart Scott.

Its all rumors though :D

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 08:19 PM
I would like to know what exact NY Media outlet made that idea. Revis is the best player on the Jets, and is a top3 CB in the league right now. And big bucks when you have defensive minded coach, and a good defense should go to the CB that has been with the team from day 1. Not the QB that could possibly come over.

Revis will not be moved for Cutler. It won't happen, and it won't be discussed between the teams.

I could see Harris being dangled because of the chance at a ILB in the draft to go with Bart Scott.

Its all rumors though :D

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/200...e_comment.html (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_jets_decline_comment.html)

Fair enough about the defense but then why do they even want to trade for Cutler?

Rumours are the best part about the off season. I am just not use to the rumours being about the Broncos:\ I just hope we get something to make me forget about #6

two24four
04-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Watch him go to a team know one has even talked about :lol: happens alot in sports.

dw13
04-01-2009, 08:42 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/200...e_comment.html (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_jets_decline_comment.html)

Fair enough about the defense but then why do they even want to trade for Cutler?

Rumours are the best part about the off season. I am just not use to the rumours being about the Broncos:\ I just hope we get something to make me forget about #6

Why trade for Cutler? Name the last time the Jets had a franchise type QB.

Thats why the Jets, and the fans are calling for this kid. (who by the way, wanted the Jets to draft him the year he came out, and we took Brick)

dw13
04-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Jay Cutler-QB-Broncos Apr. 1 - 8:23 pm et

The Washington Post reports that the Redskins are "actively pursuing" a trade for Jay Cutler and hope to swing a deal as soon as possible.

Owner Dan Snyder is pushing negotiations, but Denver will take its time. About half of the league has interest in Cutler and the Broncos will want to hear all offers. Washington has reportedly contacted an unnamed club about dealing Jason Campbell for a second-round pick, which the Skins would then use in a Cutler trade. Snyder is currently sitting on only four 2009 picks.
Source: Washington Post

Jason Campbell-QB- Redskins Apr. 1 - 8:31 pm et


The Redskins reportedly offered Jason Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round pick on Wednesday.

The offer was probably contingent on Washington getting Jay Cutler from the Broncos with the pick as part of a package, which might also have included the No. 13 overall choice. The Skins have made it clear that they aren't committed to Campbell by balking at a long-term contract and now this.
Source: Washington Post

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 09:02 PM
Why trade for Cutler? Name the last time the Jets had a franchise type QB.

Thats why the Jets, and the fans are calling for this kid. (who by the way, wanted the Jets to draft him the year he came out, and we took Brick)

wouldn't that be a reason to give him the money over a CB then?


I could see Washington being a player, but I am glad Denver is going to take their time with this one

dw13
04-01-2009, 09:09 PM
wouldn't that be a reason to give him the money over a CB then?


I could see Washington being a player, but I am glad Denver is going to take their time with this one

Who is getting money? Revis has proved he deserves NY's money with their money. He has been nothing short of specular. If Cutler came to NY he would have to put together atleast his first season as a pro-bowl type season to hit the jackpot here. We also have the best capologist in all of NFL, so I'd like Tanny handle the numbers.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm talking about big dollars for either of their next contracts.

You said Revis is WAY more valuable than Cutler - I was merely suggesting that if a franchise considers the 'value' for their big dollars (cause both of them will get big $$) they might be inclined to give the money to the Franchise QB, which might make it a lot closer than you think. In fact, I think many people would rather have Cutler over Revis -which would also question your statement.

I guess I am just missing something. You say Revis won't get dealt (and maybe he won't) and he is the Jets best player, but also say Cutler could be a Franchise QB, which I think would make him the best player.

dw13
04-01-2009, 09:36 PM
I'm talking about big dollars for either of their next contracts.

You said Revis is WAY more valuable than Cutler - I was merely suggesting that if a franchise considers the 'value' for their big dollars (cause both of them will get big $$) they might be inclined to give the money to the Franchise QB, which might make it a lot closer than you think. In fact, I think many people would rather have Cutler over Revis -which would also question your statement.

I guess I am just missing something. You say Revis won't get dealt (and maybe he won't) and he is the Jets best player, but also say Cutler could be a Franchise QB, which I think would make him the best player.

I dont think because Cutler could be a Franchise QB makes him a better player at all. Revis is a franchise shutdown corner. Revis does it all defensively, great in run D, shuts down the best WR's in the game and is a leader.

He is WAY more valuable to the Jets, no doubt. Maybe not to other organizations, but to ours he is. He will never be moved in a deal for Cutler, it won't happen and there is no sense in doing it for us, maybe for Denver but it isn't happening.

David Harris is a legit stud, but since getting Bart Scott, he could possibly be moved in a deal for someone to sure up a need position such as QB. But I wouldn't really see him being moved in this deal to be honest. I think this is a type of deal that will require top draft picks, and probably Clemens.

Maybe a 1st this year, 2nd next year (and go to a 1st if Cutler probowls) and Clemens. Something along those lines.

keys2aFranchise
04-01-2009, 09:43 PM
I got thinking whatever the deal is might include picks next year after considering what the Giants gave up for Eli.

dw13
04-01-2009, 09:57 PM
I got thinking whatever the deal is might include picks next year after considering what the Giants gave up for Eli.

As I said, First this year, and a possible conditional second next year.

two24four
04-01-2009, 10:11 PM
Why trade for Cutler? Name the last time the Jets had a franchise type QB.

Thats why the Jets, and the fans are calling for this kid. (who by the way, wanted the Jets to draft him the year he came out, and we took Brick)

How pissed are you going to be if the Jets dont get him?

Snipes16
04-01-2009, 10:56 PM
How pissed are you going to be if the Jets dont get him?

The Jets wont get him because they dont have the 1 thing that Denver desperately needs to get back in return and thats a decent QB.

dw13
04-02-2009, 12:35 AM
How pissed are you going to be if the Jets dont get him?

Not at all. We have a great defense lined up for Rex. I'd be fine with little the kids battle it in Camp, all they have to do is run the team, nothing stupid.

dw13
04-02-2009, 12:36 AM
The Jets wont get him because they dont have the 1 thing that Denver desperately needs to get back in return and thats a decent QB.

Theres ways to include a QB else where. (3 team trade)

If they want a good QB in return, why are they moving him in the first place? They could hush this up no problem, even after all this bullshit

dw13
04-02-2009, 06:42 AM
David Harris and a second rounder. (maybe a next year 4th or 3rd)

Draft Maualuga in the first, Robskie or Murphy in the second.

Our WR's don't become such a glaring need with a QB like Cutler. He will have Leon/TJ, Keller/Cotchery, and then Robskie or Murphy to go with Stuckey and Clowney as possible up and comers.

I think Harris/Second Rounder would get it done. They will want a solid D foundation for years to come. Bart Scott makes this deal possible.

I've read numerous sources saying they rather have a D player over a QB back in the draft.

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 06:43 AM
As I said, First this year, and a possible conditional second next year.

I am thinking first this year, and first next. The Chargers essentially got 2 firsts for Eli, I don't think that's too far off the mark for Cutler.


Theres ways to include a QB else where. (3 team trade)

If they want a good QB in return, why are they moving him in the first place? They could hush this up no problem, even after all this bullshit

Have you been paying attention the last month? They don't want to trade him, but have been forced into the idea. I am very curious as to how they could hush up this problem when he won't talk to anyone with the team.

Doctego
04-02-2009, 07:17 AM
Come on you can't see the difference between Cutler and Cassel? You're kidding yourself. Cutler made the pro-bowl in his second full year as a starter. He had a high draft status and lived up to it in a market where its tough to do. The offense is better because of him, he can run the whole thing. Cassel is a system plug in that played okayish until the coaches altered the scheme to cover his flaws. Don't even compare college careers although to his credit Lane Kiffin's clipboard was always at the ready, Cassel kept good track of it.

I'm not sure about top 5, but he is not far from it.

Are you related to Cutler?? Relax. I see a difference between the 2 but my main point is that neither has proven a thing. Am I supposed to be impressed that he made the Pro Bowl?? Sorry but it's the most irrelevant All Star game that there is and being the 3rd highest vote getter at your position in your conference by the fans does nothing to change that. The Pro Bowl is shit and that's why they will change the timing and location of the game. College careers?? I never mentioned that. Your entire paragraph is just you putting words in my mouth.

Bottom line.......Cutler may indeed turn out to be a top QB but people act like he is already there and he is far from it.


If Cutler can potentially get package like Revis or Harris + 1st OR Quinn + 1st, etc. AND if Cassel was traded for a 2nd, then maybe we can see why Jay is pissed....f'uck the new coach and his system if they value me so little they'll kick me to the curb for a career backup just because he fits their system'. Perhaps if they the Broncos had handled it better and Cutler didn't have to find out reading about it like everybody else, then he might not be such a baby, but given these rumours, it just shows why he has reason to be pissed. Mgmt botched it all since this news first broke and here we are -- it's well past the point of no return.

You can't look at what Cassel fetched. New England had a dilemma. They had Cassel and Brady taking up a huge chunk of cap space. Once they believed that Brady was healthy, they traded Cassel. It helped that Pioli is his bud but you are not getting production-based value for Cassel when he has that cap number.

dw13
04-02-2009, 07:21 AM
Have you been paying attention the last month? They don't want to trade him, but have been forced into the idea. I am very curious as to how they could hush up this problem when he won't talk to anyone with the team.

How long is it until TC?

He said he would be at mandatory camps, thats when the hush up would start.

I'm not making excuses for it, but I don't think they need a QB in return.

No way you are getting 2 firsts from anyone for Cutler, by the way.

Doctego
04-02-2009, 07:43 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27

It's shit like this that makes me hope that he doesn't go to the Jets. Didn't he formally request a trade a few weeks back??

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 08:11 AM
How long is it until TC?

He said he would be at mandatory camps, thats when the hush up would start.

I'm not making excuses for it, but I don't think they need a QB in return.

No way you are getting 2 firsts from anyone for Cutler, by the way.

He's also not returning the phone calls from they guy that pays his salary so how can we be sure of anything said from his camp?

That's your opinion about not getting two firsts; maybe they won't, but they also aren't going to give him away for mid first rounder. It blows me away that you can claim nobody will give up 2 first rounders for a potential franchise QB when you look at what the Cowboys gave up for Roy Williams.

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 08:13 AM
Didn't he formally request a trade a few weeks back??

yep, and not calling boss back isn't best approach either

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 09:19 AM
I don't believe for a second that he said he didn't want to be traded.


The Jets wont get him because they dont have the 1 thing that Denver desperately needs to get back in return and thats a decent QB.

They've already said they don't need a QB in return. They want defensive players just as much as a QB

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 09:22 AM
Washington has reportedly contacted an unnamed club about dealing Jason Campbell for a second-round pick, which the Skins would then use in a Cutler trade.

So if this doesn't work out, is Campbell going to get all butthurt and demand to be traded :lol:

Snipes16
04-02-2009, 12:07 PM
I don't believe for a second that he said he didn't want to be traded.



They've already said they don't need a QB in return. They want defensive players just as much as a QB

Chris Simms to the rescue :rolleyes:

two24four
04-02-2009, 12:11 PM
He's also not returning the phone calls from they guy that pays his salary so how can we be sure of anything said from his camp?

That's your opinion about not getting two firsts; maybe they won't, but they also aren't going to give him away for mid first rounder. It blows me away that you can claim nobody will give up 2 first rounders for a potential franchise QB when you look at what the Cowboys gave up for Roy Williams.

Agreed, I think it will take alot for who ever gets Cutler, they will want at least a 1st round pick, plus maybe even a solid QB back (that's if they dont plan on drafting one with the pick) in return, like keys said, they are not just going to give him away, I could see two 1st's being sent DEN's way maybe.

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 12:46 PM
Chris Simms to the rescue :rolleyes:

if Cassel can produce in this system I don't see why Simms can't.

It is interesting that Simms is one of the highest paid backup in the league not counting players that signed deals with expectations of being their team's respective starter. I realize that means squat, but I think it does show the level of comfort the Broncos have in him as a player.

two24four
04-02-2009, 01:27 PM
Some more on this, talks about possible trades half way down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863

Doctego
04-02-2009, 01:37 PM
if Cassel can produce in this system I don't see why Simms can't.

It is interesting that Simms is one of the highest paid backup in the league not counting players that signed deals with expectations of being their team's respective starter. I realize that means squat, but I think it does show the level of comfort the Broncos have in him as a player.

I don't see how you can make that statement. No one can say that with certainty. He has been a career backup since HS. He was behind some great college and pro QB's and had his 1 chance last year, which he succeeded at. It is impossible to make any judgements on Cassel's future at this point. Anything said is merely an opinion.

Snipes16
04-02-2009, 02:01 PM
Well, not totally impossible Doc...last years body of work should count for something.

And thats the disagreement that I have with Billen when he calls Cassel a career backup. He got beat out by Palmer at USC and if you believe Carroll, it came right down to the wire. Then he's been behind Brady in NE....Who was going to beat out those 2 guys? When I think of career backups I think Gus Frerotte, Sage Rosenfels and Chris Simms. Guys that at least had a shot at starting or have started and failed...Cassel never got his shot untill last year and parlayed minimum wage into 14 million.

b_illin
04-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Well, not totally impossible Doc...last years body of work should count for something.

And thats the disagreement that I have with Billen when he calls Cassel a career backup. He got beat out by Palmer at USC and if you believe Carroll, it came right down to the wire. Then he's been behind Brady in NE....Who was going to beat out those 2 guys? When I think of career backups I think Gus Frerotte, Sage Rosenfels and Chris Simms. Guys that at least had a shot at starting or have started and failed...Cassel never got his shot untill last year and parlayed minimum wage into 14 million.

You forgot Leinart...he couldn;t beat him....and look where ol' Matt is now? (although Matt is super talented)

Whether his talents are that of a career backup or not....he's been a career backup! (til Brady went down of course!)

PS: he was also drafted to be a backup

two24four
04-02-2009, 02:19 PM
You forgot Leinart...he couldn;t beat him....and look where ol' Matt is now? (although Matt is super talented)

Whether his talents are that of a career backup or not....he's been a career backup! (til Brady went down of course!)

PS: he was also drafted to be a backup

Leinart is a very good QB, and was an awesome QB at USC, it's his own fault he's not starting in the NFL today, he let fame and $$$ go right to his head once he was drafted.

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 02:19 PM
I don't see how you can make that statement. No one can say that with certainty. He has been a career backup since HS. He was behind some great college and pro QB's and had his 1 chance last year, which he succeeded at. It is impossible to make any judgements on Cassel's future at this point. Anything said is merely an opinion.

I was talking about his preformance last year wherein he produced in McDaniels system.

Most people thought the Pats were done when Brady went down, but Cassels produced very well in the system- who's to say Simms won't also. At the very least it is the best chance for success he's had since turing pro

dw13
04-02-2009, 03:00 PM
In addition to the Redskins, the Jets have reportedly been "aggressive" in their pursuit of Jay Cutler so far.

The Bucs have also shown interest, and the Lions and Bears are involved. Denver would rather deal Cutler outside the conference, which seems to give Tampa Bay, Washington, Chicago and Detroit the best chances of landing him.
Source: Denver Post


It sounds like the Jets are willing to give up Harris, a 1st and a 3rd

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations...ive?id=2693958 (http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/1050espnradio/archive?id=2693958)

Gary heard from someone he trusts that the Jet really want Cutler and he thinks assuming thats true that the Jets have as good a shot as any to get him. He thinks it would take a first third and David Harris and maybe even more. What I found interesting is that from what he is hearing Ratliff will be their QB if they dont get Cutler and not Clemens.


I'd be willing to do it now that I've had time to sit on our team at this point w/o Harris.

Avaholic
04-02-2009, 04:28 PM
Cutler traded to the Bears. Terms are not released yet.

Motorcat
04-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Cutler = biggest jackass in the NFL.

boredguy
04-02-2009, 04:34 PM
It's for Orton and 1st rounders this year and next. Broncos also give a later round pick, though it's uncertain how late.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

two24four
04-02-2009, 04:34 PM
Cutler traded to the Bears. Terms are not released yet.

I just heard on the radio, for two 1st round picks.

Thank you, keeps him out of the AFC East :D;)

dw13
04-02-2009, 04:35 PM
2 1sts and Orton.

Later Cutler

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 04:36 PM
Man, I totally want to get hammered with Kyle Orton

boredguy
04-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Look at you slow motherfuckers :p


2 1sts and Orton.

Later Cutler


I just heard on the radio, for two 1st round picks.

Thank you, keeps him out of the AFC East :D;)

two24four
04-02-2009, 04:47 PM
Watch him go to a team know one has even talked about :lol: happens alot in sports.

What did I say, haha, not many people if any thought the Bears.

I heard the Skins, Jets, Panthers, Bucs, Lions etc...

dw13
04-02-2009, 04:49 PM
What did I say, haha, not many people if any thought the Bears.

I heard the Skins, Jets, Panthers, Bucs, Lions etc...

The Bears were firmly in the race. Obviously, when you have had 56 QB's since like 95. You go after something like this.

two24four
04-02-2009, 04:49 PM
The Bears were firmly in the race. Obviously, when you have had 56 QB's since like 95. You go after something like this.

Yes, but they where not really talked about at all, not that I saw anyways, everyone thought it would be one of the Skins, Jets, Panthers, Bucs or Lions .

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 04:54 PM
:boink: :wave:

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 04:56 PM
I wish him the best there. It's kind of like his hometown team from what I've heard. Looks like it's time to buy and Orton Jersey and pour jack daniels all over it

two24four
04-02-2009, 04:56 PM
So are all the DEN fans happy with this trade? what's your thoughts?

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 05:03 PM
it is what it is.

I would probably prefer to have a content Cutler on the team, but after the shit this offseason, I am actually ok with it. Even over the last month I have really shifted in my view- I think part of all this was an attempt to get a new mega deal from the Broncos but it back fired bigtime.

I am SOOOO glad I got an Elway jersey last month instead of a Cutler one :D Although, I do have Cutler in a dynasty league and I think his value took a beating today. :\

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 05:15 PM
It's not bad. We have a QB who can start (I don't think there's going to be much a battle between Orton and Simms), and he was okay last year. Orton did look pretty okay at times after the bye week last year, maybe with McD as his coach he can improve. Plus we can get two defensive players in the first round next year.

I'm not saying I like the deal, because I'd rather have had Jay work things out and stay here. But I think it's what they wanted, two first-rounders and a QB back for Jay, so it's pretty much the best thing we could have got.

But now that this is out of the way, it's time to see if McD can really make things work here. Hopefully we get some help on defense, and at least Orton has a great o-line and receivers to work with

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-02-2009, 06:01 PM
wow to da bears eh? I think his value will probably take a hit there, as well. The entire situation makes me lol though.

Those fucking donkies shot themselves in the foot on this one

two24four
04-02-2009, 06:04 PM
The Bears also signed Orlando Pace today.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-02-2009, 06:20 PM
Anyone think this move raises the WR value of Devin Hester in Chicago ?

or how about Matt Forte?

b_illin
04-02-2009, 07:11 PM
The Bears were firmly in the race. Obviously, when you have had 56 QB's since like 95. You go after something like this.


Easy there buddy, ol'Vinny Testaverde is not exactly the star QB you hang your hat on either! So, that said, really surprised your Jets didn't go real hard at Cutler themselves! ;):D:lol:

PS: I bet Jay's happy as shit to be in Chicago...much better marketing opportunities and as was said, he likes da Bears. The clock starts on McDaniels as he under the microscope for sure now!

Avaholic
04-02-2009, 07:16 PM
Bears Get:

Jay Cutler
2009 5th Round Pick

Broncos Get:

Kyle Orton
2009 1st Round Pick
2009 3rd Round Pick
2010 1st Round Pick


That's quite a haul when you really think about it. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, plus 2 first rounders in 2010 with Sam Bradford coming out. Great chance to rebuild the defense, and have Orton be the stopgap until we establish a new franchise QB.

I'm happy - As a Broncos fan let's face it, the guy demanded a trade. So for a player who was gone anyways, to come away with that draft haul is impressive. No one was going to give up THREE firsts. All depends on how well the drafted players turn out.


Cutler = 25 years old, 25 TD, 18 INT, 8-8 record. With a Pro Bowl WR.

Orton = 26 years old, 18 TD, 12 INT, 9-7 record. With AWFUL WR's.

dw13
04-02-2009, 07:16 PM
Easy there buddy, ol'Vinny Testaverde is not exactly the star QB you hang your hat on either! So, that said, really surprised your Jets didn't go real hard at Cutler themselves! ;):D:lol:

PS: I bet Jay's happy as shit to be in Chicago...much better marketing opportunities and as was said, he likes da Bears. The clock starts on McDaniels as he under the microscope for sure now!

I don't know why you just said something about the Jets QB problems in the past. I obviously know we have had them. My point to 24 was, they have been in need for a QB extremely bad as well. And the Jets did go really hard at him, but I'm glad we didn't give up two firsts and a solid player for him, it was a smart move by Tanny.

Cutler says Chicago is like a second hometown to him.

b_illin
04-02-2009, 07:29 PM
I don't know why you just said something about the Jets QB problems in the past. I obviously know we have had them. My point to 24 was, they have been in need for a QB extremely bad as well. And the Jets did go really hard at him, but I'm glad we didn't give up two firsts and a solid player for him, it was a smart move by Tanny.

Cutler says Chicago is like a second hometown to him.

I interpreted your sarcasm as a knock on the Bears so I thought I'd remind you sarcastically that the jets are as hard-luck at the that position as the bears.

Now, given this;

Bears Get:

Jay Cutler
2009 5th Round Pick

Broncos Get:

Kyle Orton
2009 1st Round Pick
2009 3rd Round Pick
2010 1st Round Pick

Cassel wouldn't get anywhere near that in return no matter what argument is made! No wonder Cutler was pissed....(echo...echo...echo)

dw13
04-02-2009, 07:33 PM
I interpreted your sarcasm as a knock on the Bears so I thought I'd remind you sarcastically that the jets are as hard-luck at the that position as the bears.

We actually are not as hard-luck at the position as the Bears. We just don't get "franchise" gun slingers. Pennington was fine during his time, Vinny as well. Eiason for 3 seasons, O'Brien (not that he was anywhere near good).

But we have atleast stayed with the same QB. (not that its a good thing, of course we never win anything)

The Bears have literally been through 50+ in the past decade.

keys2aFranchise
04-02-2009, 07:36 PM
B_ - the return on Cassels was also really hindered by his salary. I'm not saying Cassels is better than Cutler,(or close) but if they had similar contracts I think the return on Cassels is waaaay higher than it was, (and I am not a fan of him).

I think even Matt Scahub fetched the Falcons 2 second rounders.

eff1ngham
04-02-2009, 11:28 PM
Anyone think this move raises the WR value of Devin Hester in Chicago ?

or how about Matt Forte?

No and No. I say no for Forte because he's already a good RB, so I don't think he'll get much better. And I say no for Hester because he's not a good WR no matter who throws to him. He'll really have to work on his route running and hands to be a better WR, not just get another QB

Avaholic
04-03-2009, 12:30 AM
I'm seeing the flood of "Downgrade Marshall" articles starting up, but I don't think this affects Marshall that much at all. He has never been the 40 yard fly pattern guy, he's the guy who catches the 5 yard slant and takes it 40 yards. I'm sure that McDaniels will get him the ball in space and there is no reason to believe Orton can't hit him on 5-15 yard routes.

If Marshall is to be downgraded it is for behavior/off the field issues, which is certainly deserving.

keys2aFranchise
04-28-2009, 04:41 PM
I've given it some time to cool off after the draft and I am still fucking pissed.
----
Dear NFL,

Can we redo the last 2 months?

Thanks,
A Broncos Fan.

Doctego
04-28-2009, 04:55 PM
I've given it some time to cool off after the draft and I am still fucking pissed.
----
Dear NFL,

Can we redo the last 2 months?

Thanks,
A Broncos Fan.

You don't want to rewind it back to a day or 2 before McDaniels was hired??

keys2aFranchise
04-28-2009, 05:07 PM
You don't want to rewind it back to a day or 2 before McDaniels was hired??

even better but I didn't want to get greedy :\

I am trying to give him a chance, but it just seems like we just keep making questionable (or fucking retarded) moves

King_Killah
04-28-2009, 08:56 PM
Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels said rookie RB Knowshon Moreno (http://www.footballguys.com/MoreKn00-1.php) is capable of being an every-down back for the Broncos. He noted Moreno catches the football extremely well and has very good hands. He added Moreno is very good in pass protection, which would allow him to be a factor on third downs when he grows in the system.

Knowshon is definitely capable of being an every-down back. I preached Moreno's name late last season as someone to watch. Shanahan may be gone, but this is still Denver we are talking about. So we will certainly have to watch and see, but as of right now. I see Moreno as the man that gets the ball more often than not. Right now I have him equivalent to a Jonathan Stewart. 800+ yards/10 TDs. I can see him in the 1000+ yard area and 15 TDs as well.

Doctego
04-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Knowshon is definitely capable of being an every-down back. I preached Moreno's name late last season as someone to watch. Shanahan may be gone, but this is still Denver we are talking about. So we will certainly have to watch and see, but as of right now. I see Moreno as the man that gets the ball more often than not. Right now I have him equivalent to a Jonathan Stewart. 800+ yards/10 TDs. I can see him in the 1000+ yard area and 15 TDs as well.

"This is still Denver" but that rep has to leave at some point. They were spewing out 1,000 rushers out of nowhere (once TD left) but the main constant was Alex Gibbs. They don't have him teaching a great offensive line anymore. He was a very underrated member of that coaching staff.

b_illin
04-29-2009, 12:10 PM
Shanahan is not there anymore.....wasn't he the reason we never knew which RB would get the touches?!?

Doctego
04-29-2009, 02:30 PM
Shanahan is not there anymore.....wasn't he the reason we never knew which RB would get the touches?!?

I thought that it was because their line was always so good that they didn't need a star RB after TD.

b_illin
04-29-2009, 02:50 PM
I thought that it was because their line was always so good that they didn't need a star RB after TD.

That is probably right, but I meant it was Shanny making the decision to never have a star guy....McDickhead (I mean McDaniels) may be more than happy to have a lead-guy with the others taking away the odd touch. Who knows....but Lucifer is gonzo!

Avaholic
04-30-2009, 03:07 AM
1) The Broncos have a great (and young) offensive line, certainly amongst the best in the league in pass protection. Ryan Clady deserved a trip to the Pro Bowl.

2) The Broncos are going to surprise a lot of people this year, and the McDaniels haters will be noticeably absent by Week 4.

Doctego
04-30-2009, 07:47 AM
2) The Broncos are going to surprise a lot of people this year, and the McDaniels haters will be noticeably absent by Week 4.

What does 4 weeks of games have to do with anything?? Their 1st 3 weeks of the season are against shitty teams. Week 4 should be tough but they're home. You can't judge them that soon, especially after they had the division won and blew it this past season.

keys2aFranchise
04-30-2009, 11:40 AM
I agree with Doctego; after 4 Weeks last year we were printing playoff tickets for the Broncos.

Avaholic
05-01-2009, 02:00 AM
I envision having success early on based on our schedule which will hopefully build some momentum. I am hearing a lot of predictions of 4-12, 5-11; I think the Broncos will surpass those expectations. It's amazing how much focus is placed on McDaniel's handling of the Cutler situation and how little focus is placed on his ability to coach a football team.

dw13
05-01-2009, 02:28 AM
I envision having success early on based on our schedule which will hopefully build some momentum. I am hearing a lot of predictions of 4-12, 5-11; I think the Broncos will surpass those expectations. It's amazing how much focus is placed on McDaniel's handling of the Cutler situation and how little focus is placed on his ability to coach a football team.

He has never shown how he 'coaches a football team'. He has never been a coach, that will come when TC opens up, and the season starts.

Doctego
05-01-2009, 07:20 AM
He has never shown how he 'coaches a football team'. He has never been a coach, that will come when TC opens up, and the season starts.

Agreed. He has shown that he can lead an excellent NFL offense. The only comparable that we have is Charlie Weis and we know how that has worked out so far.

dw13
05-02-2009, 02:23 PM
Real respectful Moreno, use Williams #27, as a rookie.

Doctego
05-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Real respectful Moreno, use Williams #27, as a rookie.

Agreed but the team could also step in and say something.

b_illin
05-02-2009, 05:33 PM
It's been more than a full season since...it had to happen sometime.

dw13
05-02-2009, 05:35 PM
It's been more than a full season since...it had to happen sometime.

By a rookie who never met Williams? Seems stupid to me, but I do agree it had to happen

b_illin
05-02-2009, 05:55 PM
By a rookie who never met Williams? Seems stupid to me, but I do agree it had to happen

If it were last season, I could understand why feathers could ruffled, but seeing as it has been a year and a half and also that Williams, while a great guy and player, was young and hadn't been with the team forever and that he died in an off-field, offseason incident....to me at least, doesn't make this a big deal. The dude wanted his number....it was available. How much time needs to pass before it's ok?

Dubz
05-02-2009, 06:09 PM
In all honesty...the kid may have never heard of Williams. Who knows. Thats why what doc said stands true.....the team could have stepped in, thats all.

keys2aFranchise
05-03-2009, 08:54 AM
DWill was a great player for us who was taken far too early; that said, to me #27 is still Steve Atwater.

dw13
05-03-2009, 01:57 PM
The Broncos picked Moreno, out of Georgia, with the 12th choice in last weekend's draft. He is expected to be the starting running back for an offense that may become more run-oriented in the wake of the Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) trade to Chicago.

Moreno, who wore No. 24 in college (currently worn by All-Pro cornerback Champ Bailey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1758) in Denver), asked the Broncos to wear No. 27. The Broncos then called Williams' mother, Rosalind Williams, to ask permission to use the number.

The Williams family called the Broncos back and gave its blessing for Moreno to wear the number -- on one condition.

The family plans to ask Moreno to donate a few hours of his time each month to the Darrent Williams Teen Center, which was opened in a low-income part of Denver last May to honor Williams' memory. Moreno wore the number at the team's minicamp practice Friday.


That works for me.

Doctego
05-03-2009, 02:02 PM
The Broncos picked Moreno, out of Georgia, with the 12th choice in last weekend's draft. He is expected to be the starting running back for an offense that may become more run-oriented in the wake of the Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) trade to Chicago.

Moreno, who wore No. 24 in college (currently worn by All-Pro cornerback Champ Bailey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1758) in Denver), asked the Broncos to wear No. 27. The Broncos then called Williams' mother, Rosalind Williams, to ask permission to use the number.

The Williams family called the Broncos back and gave its blessing for Moreno to wear the number -- on one condition.

The family plans to ask Moreno to donate a few hours of his time each month to the Darrent Williams Teen Center, which was opened in a low-income part of Denver last May to honor Williams' memory. Moreno wore the number at the team's minicamp practice Friday.


That works for me.

Meh. I'll refrain from comment.

King_Killah
05-08-2009, 11:40 AM
Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports the Denver Broncos have signed unrestricted free-agent RB Darius Walker (Texans). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

Alright this is getting ridiculous now. How many RBs do the Broncos need? Sure they were pretty banged up last year, but still... My count has the RB count as:

Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington, LaMont Jordan and Peyton Hillis...now Darius Walker... Geez. To be fair though. Forget Jordan. Forget Hillis. Forget Arrington, except maybe special teams. Buck, eh... So being tucked in at 6th on the depth chart, he could find his way up to #2 or #3.

Dubz
05-08-2009, 11:53 AM
Is Selvin Young done KK?

keys2aFranchise
05-08-2009, 11:55 AM
Young was released

dw13
05-08-2009, 11:55 AM
Is Selvin Young done KK?

He was released like a week ago.

Dubz
05-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Thanks & Thanks...I have him as a third or 4th back. But with the strength of my team he could be #2 by draft day if he is a starter.:lol:

King_Killah
05-08-2009, 12:07 PM
Is Selvin Young done KK?

April 30th, 2009 -- Denver Broncos waived Selvin Young.

eff1ngham
05-08-2009, 02:08 PM
Alright this is getting ridiculous now. How many RBs do the Broncos need? Sure they were pretty banged up last year, but still... My count has the RB count as:

Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington, LaMont Jordan and Peyton Hillis...now Darius Walker... Geez. To be fair though. Forget Jordan. Forget Hillis. Forget Arrington, except maybe special teams. Buck, eh... So being tucked in at 6th on the depth chart, he could find his way up to #2 or #3.

None of those guys is a #1 RB. And look at the way the Pats used their RBs recently, Morris, Green-Ellis, Moroney, Faulk, Jordan, and even Heath Evans, everyone got playing time, and they all contributed in some way.

Arrington is a 3rd down back, and kick returner. Jordan is short-yardage and goal line only. Hillis can do the same and can also play fullback. That leaves Moreno and Buckhalter to take the majority of the carries with Walker as a backup

King_Killah
05-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Michael Lombardi from the National Football Post fully expects rookie Knowshon Moreno (http://www.footballguys.com/MoreKn00-1.php) to be the feature back for the Broncos starting in week 1.

And I am all over that like white on rice... Moreno will be a monster in the league.

dw13
05-25-2009, 05:40 PM
And I am all over that like white on rice... Moreno will be a monster in the league.

I'd be willing to be he is no more than a decent RB in the league.

King_Killah
05-26-2009, 09:47 AM
I'd be willing to be he is no more than a decent RB in the league.

We might have to... I can see him being a next Chris Johnson.

two24four
05-26-2009, 10:57 AM
We might have to... I can see him being a next Chris Johnson.

I agree, I think Moreno will be great in the NFL.

dw13
05-26-2009, 02:43 PM
Did very little against SEC competition last year. He has no breakaway speed, he is undersized to take a constant beating. I like the kids heart, but he is absolutely nothing special. A decent back, not a pro bowler.