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redwingbill
03-03-2010, 09:12 PM
Crap, should of brought in Vokoun..lol

Kyle
03-03-2010, 09:35 PM
What an embarassing loss this has turned into. Poor show, a couple more like this and we can count the playoffs out.

Spartan
03-03-2010, 09:40 PM
I've been switching between the Wings and Flyers games and I swear they are the same game.

redwingbill
03-03-2010, 09:44 PM
What an embarassing loss this has turned into. Poor show, a couple more like this and we can count the playoffs out.


Yep, a beatdown at home....NOT good!

a0102030405
03-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Crap, should of brought in Vokoun..lol


I thought about that in November, but no way they could fit him in with the cap, unless Florida accepted Rafalski or something, which makes no sense for them.

HT9
03-04-2010, 03:48 AM
6-3 yes please :)

God I'm so happy Burrows makes 2 mil a year for the next 2 !! 27 goals i guess that's good enough

EDIT: make that 3 more years :D

Kyle
03-04-2010, 12:16 PM
6-3 yes please :)

God I'm so happy Burrows makes 2 mil a year for the next 2 !! 27 goals i guess that's good enough

EDIT: make that 3 more years :D

Gotta get your spirits nice and high before the yearly playoff flop, eh?;)

HT9
03-04-2010, 05:20 PM
hey now ! we gotta get there first :)

Kyle
03-04-2010, 05:22 PM
I think 1-6 is pretty well locked up for the West. Barring a choke of catostrophic proportions, you're there.;)

Hockeyis#1
03-05-2010, 07:51 PM
Wow what a penalty kill and a sweet goal by Datsyuk. The Wings came to play tonight

a0102030405
03-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Datsyuk 1G 1A. 2-0.

hope they can keep this up. That was the datysuk I've been waiting to see all year. Now all we need is for Zetterberg to pick it up and I can take the wings for the upset in round 1 :)

redwingbill
03-05-2010, 08:06 PM
Got to keep the foot on the pedal, playoffs are at stake......

Kyle
03-05-2010, 08:12 PM
:yes:

Kyle
03-05-2010, 08:32 PM
DARREN MOTHER FUCKING HELM. Wow what a spinorama.

Kyle
03-05-2010, 08:42 PM
....darren MOTHER FUCKING HELM!!

a0102030405
03-05-2010, 08:53 PM
good to see the old rafalski back. 4 goals all year, goes to the olympics gets 4g and 4a in 6 games, and then cools off just in time to play for detroit.

:yes:

Kyle
03-05-2010, 08:56 PM
Seriously, he must be jealous of Lidstrom and only strives when hes the #1 D-man :lol: I was just on my way to say something similar, that was a garbage play that lead to their goal and he made a garbage effort recovering. Totally fucked Howard's good game

redwingbill
03-05-2010, 08:57 PM
I like Helm, very speedy and underrated.

MrScientist
03-05-2010, 11:13 PM
Kyle Vandenbosch was at the game tonight, already decked out in a Wings jersey haha

two24four
03-06-2010, 12:40 AM
Kyle Vandenbosch was at the game tonight, already decked out in a Wings jersey haha

I think he's abit of a hockey fan, he's been at a few NSH games I know.

Cornholio
03-06-2010, 06:57 AM
That win was important!!
Don't think they win tomorrow against Chicago.
But afer the Preds' first goal, the Wings pretty much cooled off, if that's the way they play tomorrow, they won't get anything done!!

MrScientist
03-06-2010, 09:55 AM
That win was important!!
Don't think they win tomorrow against Chicago.
But afer the Preds' first goal, the Wings pretty much cooled off, if that's the way they play tomorrow, they won't get anything done!!

I disagree, they did lay back last night, but more in the sense of playing conservatively, not the typical Red Wing malaise when they get a lead.

eykwingnut
03-06-2010, 10:00 AM
So do they sit Franzen tomorrow because every time he plays the 'Hawks he gets injured? Haha.

Dubz
03-06-2010, 07:15 PM
So do they sit Franzen tomorrow because every time he plays the 'Hawks he gets injured? Haha.

Your ass better knock on wood....if he does go down you will be a hated man around here.:lol:

Im pulling for the Wings to make it.

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 12:43 PM
Big Game today, the kids trying to unseat the kings of the conference. Bounce back guys, 0 - 1 Chi

I suppose since I benched Huet then he'll stand on his head today.....Go Figure! lol

Kyle
03-07-2010, 12:58 PM
Nice pass Filp you fucking retard

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Nice pass Filp you fucking retard

lol @ Mike Emrick (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMike_Em rick&ei=_eqTS7nwIoaGNuTK7aEN&usg=AFQjCNGr_7b5mvwgxt8DrjbXNtU0NhpkGQ)saying Valteri with the assist! lol

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:05 PM
What the fuck did Bertuzzi just steal a pick from Lidsdrom mid-shot for? 2 seconds later the puck is cleared, goddamn Bert, head out of your ass.

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 01:09 PM
Need to get this back to even!

a0102030405
03-07-2010, 01:17 PM
Nice pass Filp you fucking retard

i don't know why but i lol'ed

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:33 PM
That was a lucky no goal call for us. It was not interference but we're due 6-7 more of these calls before we're even with the league.

Edit - Well the Refs gave it right back with the bullshit penalty on Holmstron, he clearly got pushed into Huet.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:38 PM
There you go Rafalski, now score 3 more like you did in 3 fucking games in the Olympics (And haven't been able to do in 60 games this season).

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:39 PM
AND NICK LIDSTROM TO TIE IT! Oh boy!!!

Good job to Bert also!

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 01:41 PM
Damn, stepped away for a sec and it's 2 - 2. ; )

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 01:47 PM
Nice to see Jason Back in D-town!

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Filp just made up for his error.....

Kyle
03-07-2010, 01:51 PM
Oh my God, I took a shit and it went from 2-2 to 4-2 :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Great goals by Filp and Williams.

a0102030405
03-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Oh my God, I took a shit and it went from 2-2 to 4-2 :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Great goals by Filp and Williams.


or great shit?

Kyle
03-07-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I ate a few hot Cheetos yesterday, so it was a miserable fiery shit. So maybe God just rewarded me for surviving it in the form of Red Wing goals :yes:

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 02:07 PM
Damn what an Explosion.......5 - 2 after 2

Kyle
03-07-2010, 02:07 PM
Fucking Datsyuk!!!! Woot!

He just made Kane look silly.

Best period of the season for the Wings, bar none. Arguably the most important too. We just can NOT go 1 win 1 loss 1 win 1 loss, it won't do, we absolutely need this win. Every prediction for Wings making the playoffs usually has us losing to Chicago and making it up against other teams so even just 1 win against the Blackhawks post-olympic break would be huge and put us ahead of pace.

Kyle
03-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Oh god...5-4...don't do this guys:rolleyes:

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 02:52 PM
Mother F'er!

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 02:56 PM
LOL@ Hossa

redwingbill
03-07-2010, 03:07 PM
Big Win today!!!

Kyle
03-07-2010, 03:24 PM
Scary win for sure...

Kyle
03-07-2010, 05:35 PM
Nashville lost today. We're now 1 point behind them for 7th in the West/2nd in the Central with the same games played.:beer:

a0102030405
03-07-2010, 06:22 PM
:) missed the 3rd but they looks deadly in the 2nd, reminded me of a few years ago, when their 3rd line could burn a team just as much as the 1st.

Cornholio
03-08-2010, 04:16 PM
LOL@ Hossa
What did Marion do this time?

Great game indeed! :beer:

a0102030405
03-09-2010, 03:38 PM
gonna miss tonight game :|

but if Detroit wins tonight's game, they might have just put a together some consistency. Maybe the Olympics were the best things for the wings, Russia and Sweden got eliminated quickly giving Z, Lids, Kronwall, and Datsyuk some rest, and gave Franzen some more competitive games to get readjusted.

Kyle
03-09-2010, 07:12 PM
Regulation win tonight would be by far the biggest win of the season. Calgary is probbaly our last threat to lose a playoff spot.

Dubz
03-09-2010, 08:11 PM
Regulation win tonight would be by far the biggest win of the season. Calgary is probbaly our last threat to lose a playoff spot.

Most important game since game 7 last year for the wings.

Kyle
03-09-2010, 08:24 PM
Most important game since game 7 last year for the wings.


Have you been watching it? Its been a fun one man, a lot of compete from both teams.

1-1 nearing the end of the 2nd

Dubz
03-09-2010, 08:30 PM
2-1 Holmstrom:yes:

Kyle
03-09-2010, 08:32 PM
That was the most on point passing I have ever seen out of the Red Wings organization leading up to the powerplay goal. Wow. I think Kipper was too amazed to remember to make a save. Been waiting to see that for this entire season.

The follow up powerplay was horribly weak though, but I'll take the 2-1 lead entering the third.

Dubz
03-09-2010, 09:09 PM
Crap 3-2 Flames

Im trying to watch both games (Leafs) <-----snuck them in the Wings thread haha

Kyle
03-09-2010, 09:18 PM
Man win or lose this has been spectacular hockey. Two penalties in the last 10 mins is dysmal though. Now we got a full PK to go with only 4 left to play.

Edit - Tough loss, we made it way too easy in the third. Fantastic 1st/2nd period of hockey but the 3rd belonged to Calgary. Oh well, back to work.

Dubz
03-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Sorry guys.....huge game to lose. It looked like the Wings cant quite keep up physically....I missed alot of this game watching the Leafs (haha again) so I could be way off:dunno:

Kyle
03-09-2010, 09:41 PM
Sadly you're not. I wouldn't say we were physically outclassed the entire game but on the two game-sealing goals by the Iginla line (In a span of 80 seconds), both were direct results of getting manhandled in front of our net and them putting away what seemed like their 3rd/4th/5th chances each time. They were stronger and simply manhandled their way to those two quick goals.

a0102030405
03-09-2010, 10:13 PM
son of a bitch. got home and see a loss :(

did they at least put up a good fight, and have 3 goals taken away by refs like usual? :D

eykwingnut
03-10-2010, 10:29 AM
The only upside I can think of is our schedule from here on out is pretty easy... I don't see us pulling an upset like many are predicting though, our defense has been pretty shitty...

Just a couple notes to follow that up:

Is Tollefsen not that good or what? We need a damn big body that isn't afraid to put somebody on their ass!

Meech was absolute shit when he was called up. Was there a reason they brought him up instead of somebody else? (Kindl? Janik?)

Ericsson has been as terrible this year as he was amazing last playoffs.

I've always been a Rafalski hater because he can't play in his own end. He should be on the third D pairing and the top PP. Dudes been in the league how long and still needs to bulk up.

MrScientist
03-10-2010, 11:35 AM
Meech has been up here all year, just normally scratched. Also, because of the cap we can't afford to call anyone else up from GR.

eykwingnut
03-10-2010, 12:01 PM
Meech has been up here all year, just normally scratched. Also, because of the cap we can't afford to call anyone else up from GR.
Thanks, I was going by nhlnumbers.com, probably not entirely accurate.

Kyle
03-10-2010, 12:20 PM
I've always been a Rafalski hater because he can't play in his own end.


This is so far off base. He isn't in Lidstrom's league and that might make him look constantly worse than he is but he is good in his own end. Quite frankly Brad Stuart has been my concern since the injury bug faded. He carried the team defensively and now that we're healthy hes disappeared both ways, doesn't do shit on offense (Duh) and has been turning the puck over and making poor decisions in his own zone.

And no one "expects" an upset, we just wouldn't be terribly surprised to see it if Det can make the playoffs. I really don't think anyone is going to write us off if we make it in.

MrScientist
03-10-2010, 02:21 PM
This is so far off base. He isn't in Lidstrom's league and that might make him look constantly worse than he is but he is good in his own end. Quite frankly Brad Stuart has been my concern since the injury bug faded. He carried the team defensively and now that we're healthy hes disappeared both ways, doesn't do shit on offense (Duh) and has been turning the puck over and making poor decisions in his own zone.

And no one "expects" an upset, we just wouldn't be terribly surprised to see it if Det can make the playoffs. I really don't think anyone is going to write us off if we make it in.

I give Stewie the benefit of the doubt, he's gotta be burned out from carrying the entire team during the height of the injury business.

a0102030405
03-10-2010, 03:34 PM
Stewie had 2-3 weeks off to recover, unless he has an injury he hasn't disclosed he should be fine. TBH I haven't noticed him much (for good things or bad), but then again I haven't been able to watch too many games lately.

Cornholio
03-10-2010, 04:10 PM
Rafalski belongs into the top line as much as Stuart belongs to #2 beside Kronwall.
Don't see any reason to discuss there!

3rd line is Lilja, his partner is switching between Lebda and Ericsson, where Lebda has played (way?) more solid.

The problem is: there's way too less secondary scoring...
Helm scores twice every once in a while, besides from that, it's almost only the "big ones"...

eykwingnut
03-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Rafalski belongs into the top line as much as Stuart belongs to #2 beside Kronwall.
Don't see any reason to discuss there!

3rd line is Lilja, his partner is switching between Lebda and Ericsson, where Lebda has played (way?) more solid.

The problem is: there's way too less secondary scoring...
Helm scores twice every once in a while, besides from that, it's almost only the "big ones"...
You're right, our secondary scoring isn't more gooder than any other team in the league. ;)

Cornholio
03-11-2010, 12:29 PM
That's why the Wings are average, 9th out of 15... ;)

Kyle
03-11-2010, 12:54 PM
That's why the Wings are average, 9th out of 15... ;)


He was just making fun of your word usage. "way too little" was what you were looking for ;):D

phaneuf6
03-11-2010, 01:01 PM
He was just making fun of your word usage. "way too little" was what you were looking for ;):D

Pretty sure English is his second language..dicks :p

So whats the deal with Datsyuk? I own him in a keeper and have been looking to move him up until the deadline. Just a bad start with his usual linemates, or just bad luck or what? He's been on fire lately.

Kyle
03-11-2010, 01:05 PM
Hey now, I was not insulting at all, I was just explaining what Wingnutmeant:lol:

I figured out that English is his second language long ago and he speaks it almost as well as I do...and its my only language. So I have no knock against his Enlgish:p

Datsyuk has been prone to streaks for half his career but before this season he had been averaging 93 points/year the last 3 years so its hard to blame that entirely. Ultimately the injury-plagued half of our season was no good for anybody's stats (Except somehow Jimmy Howard).

Zetterberg is at 21 points/21 games, Datsyuk something like 20 points/18 games, Lidstrom is at 27 points in 28 games, Rafalski is around 19 points his last 26 games. All of the Wings stars have been on a good tear the last month or two.

Cornholio
03-11-2010, 01:56 PM
Thanks Kyle :beer:

Of course I compared this season to the last ones, which I shouldn't have done.
The Wings are only average in secondary scoring, and that's what hockeytwon fans are not used to.

That's the point.
Dats, Z, Lids & Raf are "hot", so is maybe Franzen and Holmer, but what about the other guys? :zzz:

redwingbill
03-11-2010, 07:42 PM
The Mule strikes Again......

redwingbill
03-11-2010, 07:56 PM
Holmer from the blueline........lol

Zetts makes it 3 - 0, keep the foot on the pedal!

Kyle
03-11-2010, 08:02 PM
Autta boys

Kyle
03-11-2010, 08:59 PM
Awesome shorthanded goal (Not actually an awesome shot or anything but just awesome creating that play by Miller).

4-1, fantastic game for us

Kyle
03-11-2010, 10:20 PM
5-1. That was classic Wings, dominant 5 on 5 play that frustrates the other team and draws powerplays. Throw in a massive but very clean Kronwall shoulder hit, Franzen dominating the front of the net with his amazing hands, a hard working shorthanded goal by Miller/Filp, and Zetterberg dominating for 3 points, and I see the Wings that made it to the SCF the last two years. Datsyuk with no points but a great game too. Lidstrom just keeps quietely rolling along. Howard with a great night.

redwingbill
03-11-2010, 10:25 PM
Great Win, now for a Calgary loss...

OT - Anybody see Bergeron undress Pronger tonight? lol

a0102030405
03-11-2010, 10:33 PM
lol why do I get the feeling that Detroit will lose the next one.

chgorman
03-11-2010, 10:48 PM
lol why do I get the feeling that Detroit will lose the next one.


I dunno. Why DO you get that feeling? Nothing in the game tonight would lead me to believe that they'll lose the next one, so I turly have no clue why you would feel that way. Have some faith.

chgorman
03-12-2010, 06:18 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/03/12/brophy_wings/

Not really anything we didn't already know, but thought I'd post it anyway.

chgorman
03-12-2010, 10:47 PM
Just got back from the Griffs gm vs. the Bulldogs here in Hamilton, headin' down to the D tomorrow to catch the gm against the Sabres... big hockey weekend for me.

Solid game tonight by GR. Got outshot by a decent margin, but made the plays when they had to, ended Hamilton's record winning streak. Larsson was great, he held 'em in it all gm. Tollefsson pounded some kid into the ground in a fight. Not bad for AHL action.

Lookin' forward to tomorrow, got seats 3rd row at the Joe to watch my fave team face off against my fave goalie. Should be a good tilt. Miller is my boy, but I'll definitely be pulling for Jimmy H tomorrow.

canuckthug
03-13-2010, 03:59 AM
lol why do I get the feeling that Detroit will lose the next one.

You guys play Buffalo at home (and they played yesterday). I agree with chgor and see no logic behind your reasoning. Then again its hard to argue because you said you "have a feeling" they will lose and no logic or reasoning was used. The red Wings big game to worry about is Monday vs the Flames on the road. Biggest game of the year so far for the Wings. They won in your building last week and to let them take 4 points at this stage of the season will hurt your chances to say the least.

I think the Avs/ Flames/ Nashville will ultimately fight for the 7th/ 8th spot. I see the red Wings creeping to 6th by years end. The Red wings are finally healthy (not sure about Bertuzzi) and Coach Babcock has a huge weight off his shoulders.

Edit:
Detroit plays Nashville twice (huge swing games) plus they play the Oilers twice and Blue Jackets 3 times in April. That is a favorable schedule.

a0102030405
03-13-2010, 10:13 AM
it's cause after the CHI game I felt they had turned a corner and then they lose the next game to CAL. Here's hoping they actually turned a corner after the Minni game.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 10:28 AM
it's cause after the CHI game I felt they had turned a corner and then they lose the next game to CAL. Here's hoping they actually turned a corner after the Minni game.

Ultimately we lost to the Iginla line, not Calgary. While thats not a great excuse its also not an alarming concern. That line has a chip on their shoulder and they played that monstrous 2 goal shift in the third that carried the team to a win. Kipper was also fantastic. But overall we played great hockey and it was a great hockey game from both sides. It doesn't mean in any way that we didn't turn a page.

We turned our page right before the allstar break with the statement win vs Ottowa. Since then we've played our brand of hockey night in and night out except Vancuver but they're as hot as any team in the league so I can deal with that.

MrScientist
03-13-2010, 07:12 PM
Seriously, those boards are criminal :lol:

Kyle
03-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Buffalo is so horrible outside Ryan Miller. They just look like pushovers.

Edit - Man...how often do the Wings do this, control play for 5+ minutes at a time and then let one in like that?

Hamsterkill
03-13-2010, 08:14 PM
Buffalo is so horrible outside Ryan Miller. They just look like pushovers.

Man...how often do the Wings do this, control play for 5+ minutes at a time and then let one in like that?
I don't think the Wings are controlling this game quite as well as you think.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 08:17 PM
Until Buffalo's tying goal we most certainly were. Afterwards its been anyones game. They spent the vast majority of the time leading up to their tying goal in their own zone in the second.

Hamsterkill
03-13-2010, 08:18 PM
Until Buffalo's tying goal we most certainly were. Afterwards its been anyones game.
Most of the first period after Hecht's first goal was very back and forth.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 08:26 PM
Wings definitely had the better of the last 13 minutes but yes it wasn't dominant. The first 7 were and the first 5 of the second and really most of the next 10 minutes (Excluding the 2 minutes right after Buffalo's goal) have been controlled by the Wings. 5 minutes left to go in the 2nd.

If the best Buffalo can do is go up and down half the game while we control the pace for the other half of the game, I'd call that dominating. We've outshot them 18-10 sinced their first goal:p

And as I'm typing the Wings have shot the last 8 shots and had one stolen by Miller on a great shot by Franzen. But the Sabres are on a powerplay so we'll see if the Wings will repeat and let out another goal after a dominant stretch.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 08:31 PM
And the only team who got a scoring chance on that Buffalo powerplay was Detroit. :D

Very respectable play by Grier not crushing Rafalski behind the net when he had him sandwhiched. He could've destroyed him, one of the classiest plays I've ever seen in hockey.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 08:59 PM
Goddamn Ryan Miller, just play at a 9/10 instead of 10/10 for 5 fucking minutes.:lol:

Kronwall got totally undressed when he had to take that hooking penalty.

Kyle
03-13-2010, 09:20 PM
Yikes, rookie mistake by Myers. 2-2 and wings have a powerplay with 73 seconds left.

Dubz
03-13-2010, 09:22 PM
Ot pp

Edit...GOAL

MrScientist
03-13-2010, 09:25 PM
We've need Raf to do that all season, at least he's doing it now haha

Kyle
03-13-2010, 09:25 PM
Great battle by Ryan Miller for the 1 point, he should be the 1st/2nd star of this game for sure.

Glad Lids/Raffy/Zetts got a point on that last goal, Datsyuk and the Mule combined earlier so the top guys strike again:beer:



We've need Raf to do that all season, at least he's doing it now haha


Yeah hes been fantastic his past 20 games or so.

Cornholio
03-13-2010, 09:27 PM
Important win for the Wings!

MrScientist
03-13-2010, 09:28 PM
Great battle by Ryan Miller for the 1 point, he should be the 1st/2nd star of this game for sure.

Glad Lids/Raffy/Zetts got a point on that last goal, Datsyuk and the Mule combined earlier so the top guys strike again:beer:



Yeah hes been fantastic his past 20 games or so.

I think he's been energized since he stuck his wiener in the rest of the Olympic field

Hamsterkill
03-13-2010, 09:32 PM
Yikes, rookie mistake by Myers. 2-2 and wings have a powerplay with 73 seconds left.
I'll defend him a bit on that play and say that it's damn difficult for most defensemen to shoot out of play from where he did. I think he just had trouble because of his size on that one. (Which, granted, is something he should be used to)

Miller was good, but I'm not sure if he was 1st star. Hecht had an amazing game today at both ends of the ice, too.

If only the Roy-Vanek line had any conssistency... sigh...

phaneuf6
03-13-2010, 09:34 PM
So Kyle, verdict on Myers? Or as much of a verdict you can give after one game?

Kyle
03-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Miller was good, but I'm not sure if he was 1st star. Hecht had an amazing game today at both ends of the ice, too.


It could've gone either way but I agree with the decision to give Miller the nod. He had to be fantastic.



So Kyle, verdict on Myers? Or as much of a verdict you can give after one game?


Hes very quality. He kind of looks like a mistake-free Kronwall on offense where hes always trying to jump into the rush but he rarely lets it result in oddmans going the other way like Kronwall can be prone to. Defensively he reminded me of Chris Pronger but I'd be lying if I said I saw anything spectacular, the only D-man on the Sabres that really impressed me was Sekera and his heroics late in the third stopping Zetterberg and Datsyuk from going on breakaways on consecutive shifts. But not noticing him much also means he wasn't making mistakes so I can't say anything bad about him.

As of now I'd say the Calder race is between Howard and Duchene since Myers has gone cold for a good month or two on the stats sheet (Not saying anything about his defense but that won't win him this Calder race). Duchene has stepped it up to where I'd call it a tossup at this point, he has 3 goals/5 points and +3 in 6 games back from the allstar break where Howard has been quality but not really improving his season averages at all since the break.

Hamsterkill
03-13-2010, 09:46 PM
Hes great. He kind of looks like a mistake-free Kronwall on offense where hes always trying to jump into the rush but he rarely lets it result in oddmans going the other way like Kronwall can be prone to. Defensively he reminded me of Chris Pronger but I'd be lying if I said I saw anything spectacular, the only D-man on the Sabres that really impressed me was Sekera and his heroics late in the third stopping Zetterberg and Datsyuk from going on breakaways on consecutive shifts.
You would be much less impressed with Sekera if you saw one of his bad games...

Kyle
03-13-2010, 09:54 PM
Haha well my opinion on Buffalo and espicially their defense is well noted by now. I'd be lying if I said I can recall a single moment Sekera was on the ice besides his two late stops on Zetterberg/Datsyuk:lol:

a0102030405
03-14-2010, 10:34 AM
holy balls another win, things are looking good now :D

and don't look now but raffi is putting up the points. And Z and D have some nice consistency going. Good to see the offense stepping it up, it was wierd having to depend on a goalie in the regular season :P

chgorman
03-14-2010, 11:29 AM
I'll defend him a bit on that play and say that it's damn difficult for most defensemen to shoot out of play from where he did. I think he just had trouble because of his size on that one. (Which, granted, is something he should be used to)

Miller was good, but I'm not sure if he was 1st star. Hecht had an amazing game today at both ends of the ice, too.

If only the Roy-Vanek line had any conssistency... sigh...

I was at the game, and Vanek was completely invisible to me all game. Seriously, I'm sure he was out there on a regular shift, 'cuz I know I noticed Roy out there a couple times, but I seriously don't remember seeing Vanek out there at all, all gm. It's unfortunate, 'cuz I like the guy and he's my 2nd fave player on BUF (my 2nd fave team) after Miller, but he litterally did not do a sibgle noteworthy thing in the gm last night that I saw, and really seems to be struggling this season in general. It's too bad 'cuz the kid has all the skillz in the world, but just can't seem to get it all together consistently.

chgorman
03-14-2010, 11:29 AM
holy balls another win, things are looking good now :D

and don't look now but raffi is putting up the points. And Z and D have some nice consistency going. Good to see the offense stepping it up, it was wierd having to depend on a goalie in the regular season :P

Good thing your 'feeling' from Thurs night was wrong ;):lol:

Kyle
03-14-2010, 01:17 PM
Just a little update for anyone who cares, I've shared these numbers in debates lately but just for any passing Wings fan to see:

Holmstron - 6 goals/13 points his last 14 games
Lidstrom - 7 goals/23 points his last 23 games
Datsyuk - 10 goals/23 points his last 20 games
Zetterberg - 9 goals/25 points his last 24 games
Rafalski - 2 goals/12 points his last 13 games
Franzen - 6 goals/8 points his 10 games back from injury (Hes not a PPG player but we want 30+ goals pace out of him and hes aiming more for a 50+ goal pace so hes doing amazing)

I think its safe to call us among the deepest (If not the most) teams in the NHL again.:yes:

phaneuf6
03-14-2010, 01:19 PM
Just a little update for anyone who cares, I've shared these numbers in debates lately but just for any passing Wings fan to see:

Holmstron - 6 goals/13 points his last 14 games
Lidstrom - 7 goals/23 points his last 23 games
Datsyuk - 10 goals/23 points his last 20 games
Zetterberg - 9 goals/25 points his last 24 games
Rafalski - 2 goals/12 points his last 13 games
Franzen - 6 goals/8 points his 10 games back from injury (Hes not a PPG player but we want 30+ goals pace out of him and hes aiming more for a 50+ goal pace so hes doing amazing)

I think its safe to call us among the deepest (If not the most) teams in the NHL again.:yes:

Deepest? Really? Detroit has a lot of skill, but they obviously struggled with the injuries they had at the beginning of the year. I'm not sure Detroit is as deep this year as they have been in the past, and a lot of other teams have gotten deeper. (Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc)

Hamsterkill
03-14-2010, 01:26 PM
Yeah, I think if Detroit was the deepest, the injuries they had wouldn't have had quite as severe an impact as they did.

Kyle
03-14-2010, 01:28 PM
You don't think we could make an argument?

Washington obviously makes the case for deepest but quite frankly I just don't know how to judge that team's depth because 4 out of 5 of their "depth players" are just riding the favorable offensive scene in Washington. But yeah, they probably have to win that one.

But behind them, who do the Wings not compare to? San Jose has a better top line but Detroit wins lines 2 through 4 and Detroit stomps them with defensive depth. Chicago is definitely as deep as Detroit but I wouldn't say any more or less. Datsyuk/Zetterberg > Toews/Kane, Hossa is only slightly more productive than Franzen (And not half as much come playoff time but we'll see this year), and I would put Bert/Cleary/Holmstrom and the rest of our supporting cast up with Versteeg/Sharp and gang easily. Defensively I also think we have an advantage on Chicago when healthy like we currently are.

Who else would you throw into the mix? Vancuver can probably make a good argument too but I don't keep up with them much. The stats look like depth isn't whats winning them games but constant top line scoring (Not that Detroit isn't relying on its top players either).

Pittsburgh's roster on paper doesn't even compare. New Jersey also, neither one of those 2 can make a good case for being one of the deepest teams in the league.

Philly can make a good argument too. Maybe LA but let them prove their depth beyond just this season, the sample size for their roster hasn't been big enough IMO but you can definitely make a good argument for them too. Can't think of much else.

The (If not the most) was probably unncessary but we're definitely among the most loaded rosters in the league by far, easily top 3 IMO

MrScientist
03-14-2010, 01:29 PM
Yeah, I think if Detroit was the deepest, the injuries they had wouldn't have had quite as severe an impact as they did.

I'm pretty sure having 8 regulars out of the lineup would put a dent in a team with a bottomless pit of talent.

Kyle
03-14-2010, 01:32 PM
Yeah, I think if Detroit was the deepest, the injuries they had wouldn't have had quite as severe an impact as they did.

You need to turn that logic 180. If Detroit wasn't one of the deepest teams in the league, the injuries would've sent us into a nosedive for last place. How many teams in this league can go .500 over nearly half a season with 55-70% of their intended roster? This is a unanimously accepted fact around the hockey world (If you watched any analysists durring the injury drought they were all raving about it) that the Red Wing's depth turned a catastrophic season into something salvagable.

Dude, you realize almost half our forwards and a few D-men at one point were players who the Wings would've preferred to keep in the AHL?

Your comment sounds a bit unaware of just how many man-games we've lost to injuries this year and more importantly who was injured. It was almost always significant, important players.

But yeah, its really funny you say that because just about every other mind in the hockey world whos thoughts I've heard on the subject have praised and commended the Wing's depth for even allowing them to sustain their spot right on the outside of the playoff list through 30-35 games of absolutely crippling injuries. You guys make it sound like the Wings went through routine shit this year and just couldn't handle it. Please find me a team who dealt with injuries this bad to such crucial players on their roster for such long periods of time and still did very well with a patched up roster, I'd love to know how often a team manages that.




Pittsburgh


No way. This is the Pens worst roster in 3 years by far.

Hamsterkill
03-14-2010, 01:46 PM
Perhaps I'm overestimating Detroit when they're healthy, then. I consider them a top-3 team in the West when healthy. Falling as far as to be fighting for a playoff spot because of injuries, even as many as Detroit had, is a damn severe impact for injuries to have, IMO. At least when considering the rather shallow drops by comparison that the Kings and Blues had with their semi-recent and recent injury-plagued seasons.

phaneuf6
03-14-2010, 01:49 PM
I think Pittsburgh's roster is very comparable to Detroits. Not on the backend obviously but up front for sure.

Detroit has their 'superstars' in Datsyuk and Zetterberg, comparable to Crosby and Malkin obviously. After that, you've got Franzen and Staal, two comparable players. You look at the rest of their rosters and you've got the following.

Cleary, Holmer, Bert, Filp, Helm, Williams, Draper, Eaves, Miller

vs

Kunitz, Ponikarovsky, Cooke, Dupuis, Kennedy, Guerin, Godard, Adams, Fedotenko.

Those two groups are pretty damn close.

Kyle
03-14-2010, 01:56 PM
Well you also have to note that we got off to a slow start of the season period which has been perfectly normal for us after a long playoff run. Its not like we were top 3 and then fell to 9th.

Most Det seasons involve a slow-ish start followed by running away from the pack by the end of December and then coasting for half a season. By the time we got to the "Running away part," where were already down Franzen and Lilja and before anything could even get started, people started dropping like flies. We never got to tops in the West this year because the injuries started biting way early in the season. So we didn't fall to anything, we were already in that 6th-9th range and simply had no means to claw ourselves up with our gimped roster. It was everything we could manage to sustain that spot. So no, Wings didn't fall at all with injuries, we just didn't have the opportunity to streak like we almost always do from November to Febuary. This is where its easy to say "Well, how do you know the Wings would've ever risen from 6th-9th without the injuries" to which I will simply point at the last 10 years and say nothing else to that.

We're obviously top 3 in the West. What has changed from last year to now? No Hossa? Please. Our goaltending is much better. We're every bit as good as the team that has played in something like 60+ playoff games the last 3 seasons. And yes you can keep emphasizing that a team that good should be able to do good with injuries, but Detroit's injuries this year is an abnormal occurance that we can go years without seeing again. Again, not just the man days lost (Which are certainly severe, somewhere around 300?), but more significantly WHO we lost to those games. Half a season without our top goal scorer will notably hurt our offense, yes.

Kyle
03-14-2010, 02:02 PM
I think Pittsburgh's roster is very comparable to Detroits. Not on the backend obviously but up front for sure.

Detroit has their 'superstars' in Datsyuk and Zetterberg, comparable to Crosby and Malkin obviously. After that, you've got Franzen and Staal, two comparable players. You look at the rest of their rosters and you've got the following.

Cleary, Holmer, Bert, Filp, Helm, Williams, Draper, Eaves, Miller

vs

Kunitz, Ponikarovsky, Cooke, Dupuis, Kennedy, Guerin, Godard, Adams, Fedotenko.

Those two groups are pretty damn close.

I like that Detroit list better but yes it is close. I think Detroit's D-man advantage makes it a clear win. I also think Franzen is clearly better than Staal.

Kyle
03-14-2010, 02:04 PM
But ultimately this is an argument that only the Red Wings can decide by the end of the year. We're either getting old and need to rebuild or we still got the depth and legs for a cup run. The next 15 games will tell all.

MrScientist
03-14-2010, 02:11 PM
But ultimately this is an argument that only the Red Wings can decide by the end of the year. We're either getting old and need to rebuild or we still got the depth and legs for a cup run. The next 15 games will tell all.

~$20 million of cap space this coming offseason...changes are coming regardless.

Dubz
03-14-2010, 02:11 PM
But ultimately this is an argument that only the Red Wings can decide by the end of the year. We're either getting old and need to rebuild or we still got the depth and legs for a cup run. The next 15 games will tell all.

Pretty sure they are among the oldest teams. Even without Cheliosaurus. I think this was Franzens break out year and it just killed them after losing a couple FA wingers and NOT priming their up and comers soon enough. On top of that Leino flopped and Osgood is now no good. Breaking in a goalie while you are all beat up is not ideal. Im pulling for them to make it. Good Luck Wing fans...you may actually need a little for the first time in ten years.

:fingersx:

Kyle
03-14-2010, 02:12 PM
Yup, it would take a damn fool at this point to put it past Kenny Holand to keep us a cup contender for years to come. Lidstrom still has at least another year or two to mentor the upcomming roster changes and by the time hes gone, Zetterberg will be more than capable of carrying the torch passed from Yzerman to Lidstrom.



Pretty sure they are among the oldest teams.


I thought we were towards the oldest but really more middle of the pack, like maybe 15th-20th, but I'm not sure at all. I'll check it out.

Edit - You're right, we're the oldest in the league, but when you have Draper, Osgood, Maltby, jacking up the average, it gets very misleading. Really Lidstrom and Rafalski are our only oldtimers we rely on with any consistency and they will be insanely difficult to replace but who grooms a D-man better than Detroit? we should be OK

phaneuf6
03-14-2010, 03:23 PM
Brendan Smith will step into Rafalski's role nicely IMO.

chgorman
03-14-2010, 03:25 PM
Don't forget, including preseason, reg season, playoffs, Olympics, World Championships, etc, the core of the DET roster has played 100+ gms every yr for the past 3+ yrs minimum. That's a lot of hockey for ANYBODY, let alone the oldest team in the league. Not making excuses as to why they're still fighting for a playoff spot even though they're now healthy, just sayin', that's gotta wear on some of these guys after a while.

I will say one thing... Bert and Filp gotta step it up for the rest of this stretch run and into the playoffs (if they even make it). They're both doing some good things out there, so I can't completely hang 'em out to dry, but they both really need to start helping out in the scoring dept every once in a while. It's closing in on 20 gms since Bert scored last (in his defence, he's geting some assists), and I don't know how long it's been for Filp, but it's gotta be at least 10 gms since he scored last (I'd have to look it up to confirm that). For a guy that Babs seems to like to refer to as Datsyuk lite, he's not really pulling his weight in the scoring dept. I just think he needs to score more. Seems like the only time he can put the biscuit in the basket is when he's 2 ft outside the crease with a wide open cage, and even then it's not guarantee that he'll actually hit the net. I think if they're gonna make the playoffs and make it past the first rd, those two are gonna have to step up and be significant factors going forward. Dats, Zetts, Franzen, Holmstrom, Lids, Raffy, Kron are all awesome as we know, but they can only do so much, we all know successful teams need to have better secondary scoring than the Wings have right now to make that playoffs and go far in the postseason. Yes, the wings have great depth, but it doesn't really matter if that great depth isn't contributing as much as they should be.

chgorman
03-14-2010, 03:26 PM
Brendan Smith will step into Rafalski's role nicely IMO.

I hope so, 'cuz I watched Kindl play vs. Hamilton on Fri, and I was less than impressed. Unfortunate, 'cuz I have him in a dynasty league and had high hopes for him.

phaneuf6
03-14-2010, 11:48 PM
I hope so, 'cuz I watched Kindl play vs. Hamilton on Fri, and I was less than impressed. Unfortunate, 'cuz I have him in a dynasty league and had high hopes for him.

FWIW, http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11906/red_wings_top20_prospects_spring2010/ .

Hockeyis#1
03-15-2010, 11:39 AM
and I don't know how long it's been for Filp, but it's gotta be at least 10 gms since he scored last (I'd have to look it up to confirm that). For a guy that Babs seems to like to refer to as Datsyuk lite, he's not really pulling his weight in the scoring dept. I just think he needs to score more. Seems like the only time he can put the biscuit in the basket is when he's 2 ft outside the crease with a wide open cage, and even then it's not guarantee that he'll actually hit the net.From my observations of the course of this season, I've really struggled with why Filp gets the ice time he does. He's struggled this season to put pucks into wide open nets, let alone when he's faced with a goalie and defensemen infront of him. A lot of the time he just seems lost on the ice IMO. I can't recall a game where I thought he honestly played well. I haven't seen all the Wings games this season, but I've seen roughly half.

MrScientist
03-15-2010, 01:09 PM
From my observations of the course of this season, I've really struggled with why Filp gets the ice time he does. He's struggled this season to put pucks into wide open nets, let alone when he's faced with a goalie and defensemen infront of him. A lot of the time he just seems lost on the ice IMO. I can't recall a game where I thought he honestly played well. I haven't seen all the Wings games this season, but I've seen roughly half.

He's been like Lecavalier this season, not putting up enough points, but overall playing well most nights. And yeah, there's been at least two occasions where he missed an entire net to shoot at.

Hockeyis#1
03-15-2010, 01:13 PM
He's been like Lecavalier this season, not putting up enough points, but overall playing well most nights. And yeah, there's been at least two occasions where he missed an entire net to shoot at.
I'dve said that's true of Bertuzzi

And Filp's missed WAY more than 2 open nets.

Kyle
03-15-2010, 01:18 PM
I'll choose half of both your opinions.

I agree with Bolts that Filp is better than you think, Hockey. But I disagree that hes really played consistently well. He needs to get better for sure. But I don't think hes been as bad as you think, Hockey.

chgorman
03-15-2010, 02:14 PM
I'll choose half of both your opinions.

I agree with Bolts that Filp is better than you think, Hockey. But I disagree that hes really played consistently well. He needs to get better for sure. But I don't think hes been as bad as you think, Hockey.

Agreed, he (Filp)def hasn't been as good as he should be, but saying 'he seems lost' is a little harsh and not quite accurate IMO. He's still PK'ing well, still making good rushes up the ice and carrying the puck into the zone well, but once he gets there he tends to struggle either putting it on/in the net or making a decent pass to open teammates, seems lose the puck or get stripped in the offensive zone a little too often.

Kyle
03-15-2010, 05:26 PM
Hes overthinking his plays and trying to do too much, it happens to people slumping often. Hes just gotta get a few lucky bounces and get out of this funk so he can play a little more natural.

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 05:46 PM
Lets pummel Iginla tonight!.....lol Thank God for MyP2P

Hockeyis#1
03-15-2010, 08:52 PM
Wow, Howard just left out to dry on that first goal. Terrible pass out of the zone.

Chilly_Willy
03-15-2010, 09:45 PM
gotta answer that goal wings come on this is big

a0102030405
03-15-2010, 09:49 PM
anyone else see the Holmstrom skate thing lol?

YouTube- Homer loses a skate blade

MrScientist
03-15-2010, 09:51 PM
anyone else see the Holmstrom skate thing lol?

YouTube- Homer loses a skate blade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fnl53A3tQ&feature=player_embedded)

Whew, thought he was injured. I have it on mute, I was doing homework and saw him helped off haha

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 09:51 PM
Wings have missed a few chances, got to cash those chances in....

Cornholio
03-15-2010, 09:56 PM
no luck this game so far offensively...

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 10:02 PM
WTF, a PS?

Howard Stones him......

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 10:04 PM
Goallllllllllllllll Dats

Cornholio
03-15-2010, 10:06 PM
Nice shot, nice screen from Holmer!

Kyle
03-15-2010, 10:08 PM
Oh man what a fucking SNIPE by Datsyuk, dear lord that was beautiful

phaneuf6
03-15-2010, 10:22 PM
That happened to my skate once, my dad thought I had blown out my knee or torn my groin (just got back from 6 weeks off from a groin tear). Weird feeling that first step when you don't realize what's going on.

MrScientist
03-15-2010, 10:30 PM
Does the audio on anyone else's FSDetroit feed sound really shoddy?

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 10:34 PM
Does the audio on anyone else's FSDetroit feed sound really shoddy?

I'm watching via Yahoo, sounds good to me. BTW that was a big PK.

Cornholio
03-15-2010, 10:36 PM
3rd goalpost, damn...

MrScientist
03-15-2010, 10:39 PM
I'm watching via Yahoo, sounds good to me. BTW that was a big PK.

Yeah I have it on TV, it just sounds somewhat faded, also static-y when there are hits against the boards and such.

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 10:53 PM
Yessssssssssssssss

Big Big Win with Edm up next......

Cornholio
03-15-2010, 10:55 PM
Great shot, huge screen & tip-in by Holmer! :cool:

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 11:02 PM
Great shot, huge screen & tip-in by Holmer! :cool:

Holmer has made his living in front of that net. Mule nice job as well.

Kyle
03-15-2010, 11:03 PM
Amazing game, a bit too up and down for my taste (Fun to watch but thats not how Wings win) but I don't think Calgary ever sustained consistent pressure through the entire game. Only 23 shots allowed which isn't bad. Add in lots of goal posts and special teams dominance and I think this was a hell of a statement game for the Wings.

Look out West, we're comming....

redwingbill
03-15-2010, 11:05 PM
It's amazing to watch the wings pass the puck. At times they look like their just toying with the opponent.

chgorman
03-15-2010, 11:38 PM
Wow, I must be the only one who thought that was a terrible gm by both teams. I don't feel like the Wings deserved to win, but I feel like CGY deserved to win even less, so I guess the end result appropriate. I just feel it was a really ugly gm from both teams, but I guess that's just me.

Kyle
03-16-2010, 12:03 AM
It wasn't our best but I think you're being extreme. We did fine.

eykwingnut
03-16-2010, 08:53 AM
Holmstrom is so clutch! That penalty shot call was complete shit. Great momentum shift to stop that shot then score on the other end.

chgorman
03-16-2010, 11:17 AM
It wasn't our best but I think you're being extreme. We did fine.

Yeah, probably. I already acknowledged that I seem to be the only one who feels that it was a terrible gm by both teams/overall.

don't get me wrong, I felt DET was particularly strong in their own end, especially on the PK, Lids had a great gm, Jimmy was solid, Dats was good all gm, but there were just so many broken plays by both teams, very few truly good scoring chances, WAY too many times when DET players (particularly Bert) should have just put the puck on net instead of looking for the perfect play and having a play broken up and losing the puck as a result. CGY absolutely DOMINATED them physically for 2 periods, etc. It's just a good thing CGY couldn't mount any offence of any substance for the entire gm, partially due to DET's suffocating D, but also due to their general ineptness in the offensive zone.

I'll admit I maybe exagerated a bit in my post last night, but I had a really hard time watching that gm last night, which wasn't helped by what I thought was some pretty terrible officiating (again, I may be the only one who feels that way). The terrible officiating went both ways, so by no means am I using it as an excuse for either team, but it was a factor in why I felt it was a terrible gm overall and why I found it very tough to watch. There were just way too many times when I was like :wtf::wtf::wtf: :confused::confused::confused: in regards to plays either team was making (or not making) and calls the refs were making (or not making).

But like I say, sounds like it was just me. Either way, the Wings won IN REGULATION for once (thus denying CGY a pt for an OT loss) which is what's important, so I'll stop belabouring the point. :lol:

Kyle
03-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Holland and Babcock have been in communications with Hudler to bring him back next year. Hudler reportedly told them he wasn't sure if he has the "out option" this year on his two year contract and Holland investigated it and found that he does. So I guess Babs and Holland are trying to get him back for next year.

That would be a fantastic addition, Hudler is awesome.

Very nice 3 day break until Friday. After that, its showtime, 13 games no excuses, lets win at least 9-10!

chgorman
03-16-2010, 02:09 PM
Holland and Babcock have been in communications with Hudler to bring him back next year. Hudler reportedly told them he wasn't sure if he has the "out option" this year on his two year contract and Holland investigated it and found that he does. So I guess Babs and Holland are trying to get him back for next year.

That would be a fantastic addition, Hudler is awesome.

Very nice 3 day break until Friday. After that, its showtime, 13 games no excuses, lets win at least 9-10!

Just sucks that they play EDM and then VAN on B2B nights, especially when they're staying in Kelowna until then. I woulda much preferred they played VAN Fri and then EDM Sat for the 2nd gm of the B2B.

That said, EDM *shouldn't* be much of a test for 'em, so hopefully they don't have to kill themselves to beat EDM Fri and can conserve some energy so that they still have some gas left in the tank for VAN on sat, 'cuz they're def gonna need it to beat VAN.

chicagohockey
03-16-2010, 02:23 PM
Just sucks that they play EDM and then VAN on B2B nights, especially when they're staying in Kelowna until then. I woulda much preferred they played VAN Fri and then EDM Sat for the 2nd gm of the B2B.

That said, EDM *shouldn't* be much of a test for 'em, so hopefully they don't have to kill themselves to beat EDM Fri and can conserve some energy so that they still have some gas left in the tank for VAN on sat, 'cuz they're def gonna need it to beat VAN.

I am sure New Jersey fans said the same thing.

chgorman
03-16-2010, 04:07 PM
I am sure New Jersey fans said the same thing.

:lol: good point. that's why I used these *...* around 'shouldn't', 'cuz who knows what EDM team shows up... hopefully it's the team that's been shitting the bed all yr, but it could very well be the team that took it to NJ.

eykwingnut
03-17-2010, 11:02 AM
Nashville plays Colorado tonight. We are right behind both those teams so hopefully the game is won in regulation.

Kyle
03-17-2010, 12:59 PM
I don't really give a shit. l want SJ in round 1 so I'm happy with 8th.

Cornholio
03-17-2010, 04:00 PM
I'm happy with any playoff spot...

Avaholic
03-17-2010, 04:03 PM
Nashville plays Colorado tonight. We are right behind both those teams so hopefully the game is won in regulation.

Nope, we host Calgary. But that doesn't change your point.

two24four
03-17-2010, 05:37 PM
Nope, we host Calgary. But that doesn't change your point.

Should be a good game tonight, I'm going to kick back and watch it later.

Kyle
03-17-2010, 05:52 PM
If Avs win tonight that would be a huge huge boost to Detroit's playoff chances. Go Avs!

MrScientist
03-17-2010, 05:58 PM
If Avs win tonight that would be a huge huge boost to Detroit's playoff chances. Go Avs!

I also see the Avs as a young team that will run out of gas in the later rounds if they make it, so if the Wings advance I wouldn't mind meeting up with them. Go Avs x2

Chilly_Willy
03-17-2010, 08:43 PM
Calgary is controling the game so far and up 2-0

eykwingnut
03-17-2010, 09:17 PM
Nope, we host Calgary. But that doesn't change your point.
Good call, totally what I meant. You'll have to excuse me, I've been getting no sleep lately because my girlfriend snores like you wouldn't believe...

MrScientist
03-19-2010, 11:06 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that Howard will get both games of the B2B. It's been a good career Ozzy.

chgorman
03-19-2010, 11:34 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that Howard will get both games of the B2B. It's been a good career Ozzy.

I wouldn't be surprised either. I thought for sure that they'd start OZ tonight vs.EDM so that Jimmy could start tomorrow vs Van, but with 3 days rest, I guess they figure Jimmy can go B2B, 'cuz I can't see Oz starting tomorrow. Maybe Babs is saving Oz for PIT on Mon based on his success against them in the playoffs the past few yrs.

Kyle
03-19-2010, 12:50 PM
Nah. Howard is playing every single game of this season as long as we are 3 or less points ahead of Calgary (Assuming he doesn't play a disgustingly bad game throughout that stretch). I'm fairly sure of that.

chgorman
03-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Nah. Howard is playing every single game of this season as long as we are 3 or less points ahead of Calgary (Assuming he doesn't play a disgustingly bad game throughout that stretch). I'm fairly sure of that.

I'm just going by what Babs said a week or so ago, that they'd be giving Oz a start sometime 'soon'. I figured EDM would be the perfect opportunity, but I guess Babs feels otherwise.

Kyle
03-19-2010, 01:04 PM
Oh, I was unaware he said that, and I disagree with him. Howard got his olympic break and he got his 3 day break. He needs to be able to shoulder the rest of this season, we need him ,as long as we're within 3 points of Calgary I don't want to see Ozzy.

Cornholio
03-19-2010, 06:19 PM
They should have given Ozzy tonight's game IMO!

Chilly_Willy
03-19-2010, 06:35 PM
Poor Ozzie, I've never been a big fan but he is a winner that is for sure. I'm really excited Howard is working out so well. Wonderful to see the Wings bring another youth up into the system

redwingbill
03-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Poor Ozzie, I've never been a big fan but he is a winner that is for sure. I'm really excited Howard is working out so well. Wonderful to see the Wings bring another youth up into the system

Ozzie does have 3 cups but I enjoyed watching him throttle Patrick Roy. lol

Detroit Goalies - 2

Patrick Roy - 0

Kyle
03-19-2010, 08:15 PM
Ok I have to be objective here and simply say Osgood DEFINITELY lost the fight vs Roy. It was close and Ozzy did good for his size but that was absolutely Roy's victory.

Vernon on the other hand was a landslide win on Roy, smashed his fucking face.

redwingbill
03-19-2010, 08:22 PM
Ok I have to be objective here and simply say Osgood DEFINITELY lost the fight vs Roy. It was close and Ozzy did good for his size but that was absolutely Roy's victory.

Vernon on the other hand was a landslide win on Roy, smashed his fucking face.


I liked the Shanahan Clothesline on him also. McCarty beat up the " turtle " lol
I miss PROBERT!!! Could you imagine if Cooke would have done what he did to a Red Wing while Probie was playing. Now that's Justice......lol

redwingbill
03-19-2010, 08:43 PM
WTF??? Not a good start......

Kyle
03-19-2010, 08:46 PM
":zzz:Oh we're behind? OK time to wake up" = The Wings all year

MrScientist
03-19-2010, 08:52 PM
Rip Van Red Wings.

redwingbill
03-19-2010, 09:51 PM
2 - 1

redwingbill
03-19-2010, 10:56 PM
Wow 2 - 2

Kyle
03-20-2010, 02:41 AM
Absolutely ridiculous effort and desperation on scoring that last goal.

NOW HOW ABOUT PLAYING THE FIRST MINUTE LIKE THE GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING LAST MINUTE FOR ONE FUCKING EXTENDED STRETCH THIS SEASON, JUST ONE FUCKING STRETCH

Ok, had to get that out. Seriously, this is fucking assinine, what the fuck is wrong with our mental state that we start a game looking like a bottom 5 team and end it looking like the team that played 60 playoff games the last 3 years? Why the fuck are we incapable of opening up a game at the level we play it for the other 55 minutes? God, its just so frustrating, we showed tons of times through the second half of the game that we outclass Edmenton as a team yet our amazing last 30 minutes was for nothing more than making up the first 90 seconds. Its just so incredibly annoying that we keep needing to play amazing hockey for 30-50 minutes to make up for 3-5 minutes of bad hockey, every game. I'm not even exaggerating, this must be the trend for 8 of our last 10 games, fucking insane.

That said, once again, amazing desperation and EXTREMELY crucial point to keep our odds ahead of Calgary's.

Cornholio
03-20-2010, 11:22 AM
at least one point; should have been two though...

can't believe they fuck up the first minutes, the Wings can't stand the Edmonton air or whatsoever ;)

two24four
03-20-2010, 11:23 AM
WTF was Peckham doing just before the Wings tied it up at 2-2, wow.

Cornholio
03-20-2010, 11:25 AM
he must have been a Wings fan once ;)
Had the opportunity to backhand the puck out of the Oilers' territory, but decided not to :D

Chilly_Willy
03-20-2010, 07:06 PM
Devin Dubnyk's first NHL win after going like 0-9 his first several starts. Not Good wings.

redwingbill
03-20-2010, 09:35 PM
Here we go again..... 0 - 2 VAN

redwingbill
03-20-2010, 10:24 PM
2 - 2

Chilly_Willy
03-20-2010, 10:25 PM
2 goals in 5 seconds, bert and dayts wow!

redwingbill
03-20-2010, 10:35 PM
Filp with a B-day Shorty, 3 - 2

MrScientist
03-20-2010, 10:52 PM
B-day shorty sounds like a hooker metaphor :lol:

Kyle
03-20-2010, 11:06 PM
And in typical fashion we shit the bed soon as we get the lead. Why in the name of fucking God can this team not play serious hockey unless making a comeback?

Dubz
03-20-2010, 11:42 PM
Wow

redwingbill
03-20-2010, 11:43 PM
Game Winnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Kyle
03-20-2010, 11:45 PM
ahem....


YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

redwingbill
03-20-2010, 11:48 PM
I really enjoy Ken Daniels and Ken Kal. First rate broadcasting.........

Kyle
03-20-2010, 11:54 PM
I caught the CBC feed with Kevin Weekes and some other dude, it was ok. Weekes is a huge huge Detroit homer so I didn't mind hearing him remind me how good Datsyuk was every time he touched the puck.

What a fucking dominating game by Datsyuk though. Seriously, fucking magical what he does out there each and every shift, offensively and defensively.

two24four
03-21-2010, 12:01 AM
I caught the CBC feed with Kevin Weekes and some other dude, it was ok. Weekes is a huge huge Detroit homer so I didn't mind hearing him remind me how good Datsyuk was every time he touched the puck.

What a fucking dominating game by Datsyuk though. Seriously, fucking magical what he does out there each and every shift, offensively and defensively.

Mark Lee.

Kyle
03-21-2010, 12:07 AM
Mark Lee.

Ahh. Yeah they weren't half bad at all. Weekes needs to loosen up a bit (Not easy as a black man in the hockey world) but he was very solid.

canuckthug
03-21-2010, 12:24 AM
The Wings had a few gifts. Im not sure what Bieksa was doing on Bertuzzi's goal. The puck was sitting there for an eternity. The short handy by Flip was a gift, literally. He buried his chance but I don't think he did much to earn that break-a-way. I think it was Edler who blew a tire. Then the OT goal, apparently Erhoff broke his stick and Zetts took advantage. Great game by the wings, im not taking anything away from them. Without Luongo the Canucks would have been toast. They got 54 shots on a back-to back. Wings have been magical like Kyle said. Last minute win in Calgary, and then 2 buzzer beaters in ED and Van. Crazy.

Kyle
03-21-2010, 12:25 AM
Quoting myself from the Canucks thread



Oh, and what the fuck was with the Canuck's 3rd goal not even being reviewed? Later replay evidence factually proved he closed his fist around the puck. If he had played that within the rules he never would've been able to just drop the puck behind Howard like that. Total bullshit that they wouldn't even review a clearly controversial goal like that espicially since it only took one view of one angle 10 minutes later to clearly see he closed his fists around the puck.

canuckthug
03-21-2010, 12:31 AM
^
yeah, i was surprised the puck was dropped so quick after Daniels goal. In slow mo, he held it for a sec or 2 but in real time it was much harder to spot. Lidstrom was right there and he didnt say much. If Lidstrom complained, he would have gotten the review no problem.

boredguy
03-21-2010, 12:35 AM
I thought it should be reviewed but just to make sure he got a stick on it before it went in. Whether he closed his glove on the puck isn't reviewable. You're actually allowed to glove the puck as long as you play it to the ice right away, which he did, just can't hold on to it.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26478

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice.

Kyle
03-21-2010, 12:40 AM
Oops, then I was mislead by poor broadcasting that said he closed his fists on the puck and therefor it would've been overturned. Its just such an insane goal that happens less than once a year it seems so I just couldn't believe they wouldn't even review it long enough to watch a replay 2-3 times.

boredguy
03-21-2010, 12:47 AM
Well, i don't think they can review for that, just if he batted or threw the puck directly in the net. The thing to review (which i did think they were gonna do) woulda been if he got his stick on the puck before it went in, guess the ref saw that clearly so no need to review.

chgorman
03-21-2010, 01:30 AM
You can't push/throw it towards the net with your hand though... I realize he touched it with his stick and then it hit Howard's pad before going in, but the only reason that happened was because he tossed it towards the net with his hand. That can't be allowed.

As far as I knew, you could bat the puck down to your stick, but at no point can you close your hand on it, which is exactly what Sedin did.

No matter though, I was gonna be happy with DET coming out of these past 2 gms with 2 pts. the fact that they coulda had 4 with a win last night (Fri) is a bit diappointing, but I'm hppy with 3 of a possible 4 pts in the standings and a win against a VAN team which is IMO is the best team in hockey right now. TBH I think they're my pick to win the cup this yr.

Cornholio
03-21-2010, 05:33 AM
I don't really care about the 3rd Nucks goal.
I easily take 5 points out of that 3 games, but if anyone told me, the one point they did not get, was against Edmonton, I'd smash my head...

MrScientist
03-22-2010, 07:10 PM
I doubt he'll garner consideration, but Howard really ought to be up for the Hart this year.

Hamsterkill
03-22-2010, 07:39 PM
I doubt he'll garner consideration, but Howard really ought to be up for the Hart this year.
Miller and Bryz would already be ahead of him as goalies for that.

... Isn't Detroit supposed to have a top defense?

MrScientist
03-22-2010, 08:01 PM
Miller and Bryz would already be ahead of him as goalies for that.

... Isn't Detroit supposed to have a top defense?

Washington has a top offense, does that preclude Ovechkin from getting a nomination? Absolutely not.

Hamsterkill
03-22-2010, 08:20 PM
Washington has a top offense, does that preclude Ovechkin from getting a nomination? Absolutely not.
Honestly, I'm not sure I'd nominate Ovie this year. That said, Ovechkin factors in to a crazy percentage of Washington's offense.

The issue here, though, is that Howard's got one of the best defenses in the league in front of him supposedly and is doing well -- wouldn't it be reasonable to say that other goalies doing equally well with worse defenses were more valuable to their team, though?

HT9
03-22-2010, 08:23 PM
Miller and Bryz would already be ahead of him as goalies for that.

... Isn't Detroit supposed to have a top defense?

Yes

redwingbill
03-22-2010, 08:32 PM
It's always nice to beat Pittspuke! Crosby getting worked by Howard and Zetts! lol

MrScientist
03-22-2010, 08:35 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure I'd nominate Ovie this year. That said, Ovechkin factors in to a crazy percentage of Washington's offense.

The issue here, though, is that Howard's got one of the best defenses in the league in front of him supposedly and is doing well -- wouldn't it be reasonable to say that other goalies doing equally well with worse defenses were more valuable to their team, though?

I would consider it a matter of consistency when nearly half of the team was missing - but like I said, and you guys re-iterated, there are others ahead of him.

Calder nominee though, for sure.

chgorman
03-22-2010, 08:37 PM
What the fuck is up with Crosby's massive douchebaggery?!? Just take the loss like a man you little bitch. :rolleyes:

Loved seeing Jimmy get in on that though, haha!!

Great game all around for both teams though! (aside from Crosby's ridiculously douchey and unecessary extra-curriculars at the end)

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-22-2010, 08:38 PM
It's always nice to beat Pittspuke! Crosby getting worked by Howard and Zetts! lol

Especially in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals.... Oh wait. :D

Great game Detroit. Couple of posts and some lack luster play by the Pens. Gonchar was terrible tonight. Great puck possession by the Wings. They do a good job at frustrating Pittsburgh at times. Howard looked great. Smart decision putting him in there a ways back. Your team deserves the playoffs, though as a Sharks fan I gotta say, I really, really, really hope they miss em. :beer:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-22-2010, 08:43 PM
What the fuck is up with Crosby's massive douchebaggery?!? Just take the loss like a man you little bitch. :rolleyes:

Loved seeing Jimmy get in on that though, haha!!

Great game all around for both teams though! (aside from Crosby's ridiculously douchey and unecessary extra-curriculars at the end)

I was watching online b/c my roomie was occupying the tele... but my stream blew a tire at the 18 min mark of the 3rd and I missed the entire ending. Not a huge deal since it was well out of reach but what happened?

MrScientist
03-22-2010, 08:48 PM
I was watching online b/c my roomie was occupying the tele... but my stream blew a tire at the 18 min mark of the 3rd and I missed the entire ending. Not a huge deal since it was well out of reach but what happened?

Crosby was randomly cross checking the shit out of Z, Z went after him, Bertuzzi pushed him back towards the boards at which point Howard jumped in. Howie/Crosby clearly having words from either side of the ref after he got in there.

Cros/Z/Howie all got 2 for roughing

a0102030405
03-22-2010, 08:57 PM
man Z really shows up for these Pittsburgh games.

Euro twins back to dominating both ends of the rink.

Hockeyis#1
03-22-2010, 09:00 PM
What the fuck is up with Crosby's massive douchebaggery?!? Just take the loss like a man you little bitch. :rolleyes:

Loved seeing Jimmy get in on that though, haha!!

Great game all around for both teams though! (aside from Crosby's ridiculously douchey and unecessary extra-curriculars at the end)
+1
No idea what crawled up Crosby's ass at the end....did getting booed all game really get to him that much?!? I understand being frustrated by the lose and the poor play by the Pens, but its not like he was getting knocked around all night, especially not by Zetts.


Cros/Z/Howie all got 2 for roughing:wtf: After the end of the game?!


Washington has a top offense, does that preclude Ovechkin from getting a nomination? Absolutely not. That's because Ovechkin is one of the top 3 players in the league and is the straw that stirs the drink for the Caps offense. Howard isn't in the top 3 goaltenders in the league, and unless he gets that rebound control under control, he won't be.

While Howard has been giving the Wings the solid goaltending they need to stay afloat through the winter months, he hasn't been Ryan Miller good.

a0102030405
03-22-2010, 09:00 PM
What the fuck is up with Crosby's massive douchebaggery?!? Just take the loss like a man you little bitch. :rolleyes:



http://hockeydraft.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/gary-bettman-2.jpg

shut up.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-22-2010, 09:13 PM
Well after 2 consecutive SCF match ups split 50/50 The Pens and Wings clearly have a nice little rivalry going. I missed these shenanigans at the end but I think it's probably pretty safe to say that Crosby and Zetterberg don't like each other much. :D I think in regards to Sid it was probably more about being frustrated w/o any points and losing the game than caring at all that the fans were jeering him. He's pretty used to it. Not to say I condone the extra curricular behavior, either way.

redwingbill
03-22-2010, 09:19 PM
http://hockeydraft.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/gary-bettman-2.jpg

shut up.


I found Gary's son.....

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1088448/Pee-Wee-755784_fullsize.jpg?6b7af3dd (http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1088448/Pee-Wee-755784_original.jpg?6b7af3dd)

Spartan
03-22-2010, 09:25 PM
How much does Detroit hate Crosby?

One of the Detroit sports radio shows has a "champ" and "chump" of the week online vote. The week after the Olympics, Steve Yzerman who is arguably the most beloved sports figure in Detroit, was voted chump of the week for hugging Sid after the gold medal game.:lol:

Kyle
03-22-2010, 10:12 PM
Pittsburgh's goal was flukey garbage, they were lucky they didn't get shutout.

Gonchar looked like dogshit, completely ameture performance and made rookie mistakes all night.

Statement game by Detroit. Ignore the playoff seed, we're serious this year. Amazing how it only took 15 games with a healthy roster to pull from a 4 team moshpit from 11th-8th to a 4 point advantage at #8 and 1 point out of 7th, 2 out of 6th.

Oh, and way to prove me wrong again Crosby. First I say you're not a goal scorer and you compete with Ovy for the Rocket Richard. Then I say you're not a whiny punk pussy bitch anymore and grew up a little bit and you prove me completely wrong by cheap shotting Zetterberg 4 times and pissing off a rookie goaltender enough to try to start a fight with the league's poster boy. Grow the fuck up and worry about your team's struggle to play playoff hockey instead of getting revenge on getting schooled yet again by Zetterberg. Crosscheck someone who isn't getting over an upper body injury you fuck.

Dubz
03-22-2010, 10:29 PM
Pittsburgh's goal was flukey garbage, they were lucky they didn't get shutout.

Gonchar looked like dogshit, completely ameture performance and made rookie mistakes all night.

Statement game by Detroit. Ignore the playoff seed, we're serious this year. Amazing how it only took 15 games with a healthy roster to pull from a 4 team moshpit from 11th-8th to a 4 point advantage at #8 and 1 point out of 7th, 2 out of 6th.

Oh, and way to prove me wrong again Crosby. First I say you're not a goal scorer and you compete with Ovy for the Rocket Richard. Then I say you're not a whiny punk pussy bitch anymore and grew up a little bit and you prove me completely wrong by cheap shotting Zetterberg 4 times :\and pissing off a rookie goaltender enough to try to start a fight with the league's poster boy. Grow the fuck up and worry about your team's struggle to play playoff hockey instead of getting revenge on getting schooled yet again by Zetterberg. Crosscheck someone who isn't getting over an upper body injury you fuck.

Its NOT playoff hockey.....at least not for the Pens. I think (didnt see) that a few of you guys may be over playing this shit...but even if you are not, its totally expected (and acceptable) to be a douche at the end of a game against a rival you may ultimately play for a cup against for the third straight year. Is it not?

Kyle
03-22-2010, 10:35 PM
to be a douche at the end of a game against a rival you may ultimately play for a cup against for the third straight year. Is it not?


Uhh, how about pick a fair fight? When is it ever acceptable to just crosscheck a guys back repeatedly when hes not doing anything at all except trying to hold his position and not leave his goalie out to dry in the last 3 seconds of a game? Please, thats total horseshit, it was classless and dirty nonsense that resulted from Crosby getting frustrated over being outplayed by an individual, it had nothing to do with a rivalry, the Pens could've shown they cared about the rivalry by playing a half-decent game.

And the Pens have collapsed vs playoff hockey through most of the second half of the season. 0-6 with a 5-22 goal disadvantage against New Jersey is evidence enough of that.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-22-2010, 10:43 PM
Uhh, how about pick a fair fight? When is it ever acceptable to just crosscheck a guys back repeatedly when hes not doing anything at all except trying to hold his position and not leave his goalie out to dry in the last 3 seconds of a game? Please, thats total horseshit, it was classless and dirty nonsense that resulted from Crosby getting frustrated over being outplayed by an individual, it had nothing to do with a rivalry, the Pens could've shown they cared about the rivalry by playing a half-decent game.

And the Pens have collapsed vs playoff hockey through most of the second half of the season. 0-6 with a 5-22 goal disadvantage against New Jersey is evidence enough of that.

I totally understand being upset with what Crosby allegedly did to one of your guys (I didn't see it...) but wasn't it you who was telling me not to worry too much about NJ come post season b/c the Pens really know how to turn it up a notch when it counts? :p

MrScientist
03-22-2010, 10:44 PM
YouTube- Stay Classy, Sidney Crosby

Chilly_Willy
03-22-2010, 10:48 PM
I don't really understand all the Pens hate out of Detroit. I count myself as a wings fan but I lost a lot of respect for the fans after all the booing in last years cup ceremony. What exactly do you hate crosby for. For marching a better team into the Joe and marking the end of an Era?

eykwingnut
03-22-2010, 10:49 PM
Especially in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals.... Oh wait. :D
Crosby is a little bitch. I wish Bertuzzi would have cleaned his clock before Guerin stepped in. That game should have been like 8-0. Total domination!

Kyle
03-22-2010, 10:49 PM
Yeah, difference is when I said that it wasn't a few hours after the Pens played an embarassing game topped off with dirty bullshit ala game 5 last year.;)

And yes I said the Pens seem to find a way to turn it on come playoffs but did I tell you not to worry? I don't think so. I think anyones a fool right now if they would say "I think the Pens could beat the Devils." If you want to start holding my quotes against me how about finding the one where I said a team dominating another like NJD has done to Penguins this year is the result of one team simply knowing and having a perfect counter for another team's gameplan and that other team (Pit) simply not being able to find an answer.

You're reaching Sponge.;) Obviously the Pens aren't in crisis mode but I'd be far from optimistic right now as a fan.

Kyle
03-22-2010, 10:51 PM
That game should have been like 8-0. Total domination!


Yup. Penguins only goal was one of the luckiest bounces you'll ever see and Fleury was a thief out there. Could've been 6 or 7 scored by Detroit. Great statement game.

a0102030405
03-22-2010, 11:13 PM
I don't really understand all the Pens hate out of Detroit. I count myself as a wings fan but I lost a lot of respect for the fans after all the booing in last years cup ceremony. What exactly do you hate crosby for. For marching a better team into the Joe and marking the end of an Era?

go watch the 2008 finals, it was in Pittsburgh with similar results. Also why I'm (and I'm assuming most Wings fan) are mad is because Bettman handed Pittsburgh the cup (not literally) last year, by rushing the Finals and making Hossa, Datsyuk, and Lidstrom play injured. I can't remember a SCF being played 2 days after the conference finals ending and to compact it further making the first 2 games B2B (don't give me that NBC crap, they could've played the 2nd game on a weeknight . If Crosby was hurt the SCF would have began in July.

a0102030405
03-22-2010, 11:14 PM
YouTube- Stay Classy, Sidney Crosby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfDVU0goR4)


missed the game, 1st time watching it and I gotta say jimmy is quickly becoming one of my favorite goalies alongside Vokunn.

Kyle
03-22-2010, 11:15 PM
I don't really understand all the Pens hate out of Detroit. I count myself as a wings fan but I lost a lot of respect for the fans after all the booing in last years cup ceremony. What exactly do you hate crosby for. For marching a better team into the Joe and marking the end of an Era?


Uhh unless I'm mistaken the only notable booing was when Bettman brought out the cup which every single fanbase in the league does. I actually thought the Wings fans were just as respectful durring the Pens celebration as the Pens fans were the year before.

Crosby ended no era, what kind of crap is that? We had won one cup in six years, what era?:rolleyes: Wings fans started hating Crosby when he publically bitched like a girl about faceoffs and other crap along with that bitch ex-coach of his (Therrian) durring the 08 finals. From there obviously they're only going to hate him more when he comes and wins a cup in the Joe. Detroit has virtually no rivals, Pens are as close as it gets, so who cares if they want to boo him? Is this something new in sports or something? Do Patriots fans need Peyton Manning to shit on their doorsteps to hate him? Welcome to the world of sports dude

And thanks to that bullshit tonight he can count on the boos at least 2 games a year for the rest of his career.

Hamsterkill
03-22-2010, 11:20 PM
go watch the 2008 finals, it was in Pittsburgh with similar results. Also why I'm (and I'm assuming most Wings fan) are mad is because Bettman handed Pittsburgh the cup (not literally) last year, by rushing the Finals and making Hossa, Datsyuk, and Lidstrom play injured. I can't remember a SCF being played 2 days after the conference finals ending and to compact it further making the first 2 games B2B (don't give me that NBC crap, they could've played the 2nd game on a weeknight . If Crosby was hurt the SCF would have began in July.
I don't recall much booing going on in Pittsburgh for Detroit's win... Nor do I really recall there being all that much in Detroit, but I may have just been basking in the win at that point. :D

And wow, sour grapes nearly a year later? Is that a record? :rolleyes: Pittsburgh played through 7 games in the conference finals as well, you know.

redwingbill
03-22-2010, 11:21 PM
@ game 7 2009 STCF

Refs missed the obvious too many men on the ice for the penguins. It went unnoticed for 15 sec and was never called. WTF......

Crosby should learn from Stevie " Y " on how to be a Captain. You would NEVER have seen Yzerman pull that stunt.

a0102030405
03-22-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't recall much booing going on in Pittsburgh for Detroit's win... Nor do I really recall there being all that much in Detroit, but I may have just been basking in the win at that point. :D

And wow, sour grapes nearly a year later? Is that a record? :rolleyes: Pittsburgh played through 7 games in the conference finals as well, you know.

not with Crosby, Malkin and Gonchar injured they didn't.

Kyle
03-22-2010, 11:27 PM
Ok guys even I think you're starting to sound a wee bit petty. Lets focus on recent shit like Crosby being a pussywhipped punk bitch who can't handle Zetterberg so he has to throw a hissyfit and go on a cheapshot spree with 3 seconds left. The poor scheduling last year and that (admittedly ridiculous) missed too many men on the ice sucks but I'm sure they missed a Detroit penalty or two through the series also. Its not worth stressing anymore.

I'll repeat, EVERY fanbase boos Bettman when he brings out the cup. It had nothing to do with the scheduling behind the SCF. He would've been bood anyway. Sorry Chilly but you clearly misunderstood this as boos for the Penguins. That was not the case. Pittsburgh fans gave bettman the exact same treatment.



not with Crosby, Malkin and Gonchar injured they didn't.


I agree but this is just way too late to be having this discussion. We're too close to this year's cup to worry about last year's.

Also I have to agree that Howard rose up even a few more notches in my book. That was some awesome heroics he pulled, I hope Crosby enjoyed the taste of his blocker.

And the "Crosby sucks" chants after the fight was just epic. Insanely loud.



Crosby should learn from Stevie " Y " on how to be a Captain. You would NEVER have seen Yzerman pull that stunt.


True, but its hard to say someone isn't a good captain just because they aren't as good as arguably the best captain in league history. Sids been a very good captain to the Pens, that much can't be argued. One classless incident won't make his team lose any faith in him.

Hockeyis#1
03-22-2010, 11:38 PM
What exactly do you hate crosby for. For marching a better team into the Joe and marking the end of an Era?Ignoring the 'end of an era' portion of that, because I disagree with it....

Umm...yeah. Why do any sports fans hate any other team/player? Crosby acted/acts like a douche. (which, no hampsterkill, there is no such thing as an appropriate time to act like a douche) His team took a championship away from Detroit. Maybe not in Claude Lemieux fashion, but still.....

Hamsterkill
03-22-2010, 11:41 PM
Ignoring the 'end of an era' portion of that, because I disagree with it....

Umm...yeah. Why do any sports fans hate any other team/player? Crosby acted/acts like a douche. (which, no hampsterkill, there is no such thing as an appropriate time to act like a douche) His team took a championship away from Detroit. Maybe not in Claude Lemieux fashion, but still.....
When did I weigh in on that at all? I didn't even see the game.

Kyle
03-23-2010, 12:00 AM
He meant Dubz

phaneuf6
03-23-2010, 12:01 AM
I haven't read any of the posts past Dubz's original, so this might have been said already but this happens at the end of a lot of games. You guys are just complaining cause its Crosby. :rolleyes:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
03-23-2010, 12:01 AM
I don't really understand all the Pens hate out of Detroit. I count myself as a wings fan but I lost a lot of respect for the fans after all the booing in last years cup ceremony. What exactly do you hate crosby for. For marching a better team into the Joe and marking the end of an Era?

It always perplexed me too but I guess greatness commands as much hate as it does love. According to Red Wings fans they were booing Gary Bettman and not the Pens/Crosby hoisting the cup at the Joe. I def. heard the booos but I give/gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Also I was AT game 6 in Pittsburgh when the Wings won the cup and there was absolutely no booing going on whatsoever. None that I heard. Mostly just sobs and disbelief bc Hossa almost tied it up at the last second. The crowd was very respectful and quiet, in awe almost, and then proceeded to cheer the Pens off the ice (the Pens actually respectfully sat down at their end of the ice for a long while during the Wings celebration and stuck around for the handshake... unlike a very rushed/hurried Detroit team last year. . . ) Zing!


Crosby is a little bitch. I wish Bertuzzi would have cleaned his clock before Guerin stepped in. That game should have been like 8-0. Total domination!

I like how you say that in an offensive manner as if it hurts my feelings to hear Wings fans (or any fans) calling Sid a bitch. :lol:

The guy is one of the best in the world and any fan of any team would be happy to have him on their side. As much as the haters say they wouldn't -- bullshit. The guy is a fierce competitor and he comes to play hard every night. Yeah he lost it a little bit at the end, and I am not advocating the behavior in any way, but to me it just goes shows what passionate fire boils beneath the guys blood. Sometimes it boils over and he is little misguided as his emotions take over but it is that is the same passion that forces him to be great night in and night out. Hate is all good but if somebody can't respect that then I dunno why they are even a fan of the game. . .


Yeah, difference is when I said that it wasn't a few hours after the Pens played an embarassing game topped off with dirty bullshit ala game 5 last year.;)

And yes I said the Pens seem to find a way to turn it on come playoffs but did I tell you not to worry? I don't think so. I think anyones a fool right now if they would say "I think the Pens could beat the Devils." If you want to start holding my quotes against me how about finding the one where I said a team dominating another like NJD has done to Penguins this year is the result of one team simply knowing and having a perfect counter for another team's gameplan and that other team (Pit) simply not being able to find an answer.

You're reaching Sponge.;) Obviously the Pens aren't in crisis mode but I'd be far from optimistic right now as a fan.

Hey I always remain optimistic. No I can't quote you (or anyone) word for word from past threads/conversations but you had more than once come across as a person who believed the Pens would be hard pressed to get knocked out of the east this post season. While I on the other hand had expressed concerns and have said for a long while now that the Devils scare the piss out of me. Even way back when, well before the sweep every came to be. I'm def. not trying to hold anything over your head or anything like that. Just was wondering where the extreme flip came from, but I guess after tonights game/incident and reminder of how much we hate each-others teams - I totally understand. :p

Kyle
03-23-2010, 12:07 AM
I still have the Pens as a favorite but only because theres really not much in the East playoff hunt worth a damn. Montreal, Boston, Buffalo, Ottawa, Atlanta, and Philly are all totally unimpressive teams to me this year and have virtually no chance (IMO) of even comming close to the cup. On the flipside check out the West. Is there one single team you don't have confidence in? The only questionables are Nashville and Phoenix and both are on unimaginable tears right now so I don't think its fair to call them duds of the West. Quite frankly all 8 of the Western playoff teams are as good in my book as the top 3 from the East (the proper top 3 not literal as in NJ over Buffalo). Washington, NJ, and Penguins are the only ones worth a damn. You know my thoughts on Washington's style of play come playoff time and NJ can't seem to find its stride against anybody but the Pens. So yes I'd still say Pens are my favorite out of the east but quite frankly at this rate it seems the only thing the East is really competing for is their conferrence trophy because I can't see any of those teams touching whoever makes it out of the West unless they seriously improve between now and then.