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Cornholio
08-07-2009, 02:06 AM
They are at 12 right now with $529,000 of cap space left. No problem for Kenny H.
12?
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen
Cleary, Maltby, Draper
Eaves, Williams, Helm
Holmström, Filppula, Abdelkader
Leino
That's 13...

MrScientist
08-07-2009, 10:05 AM
12?
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen
Cleary, Maltby, Draper
Eaves, Williams, Helm
Holmström, Filppula, Abdelkader
Leino
That's 13...

I would expect Abs to be in GR playing top minutes as opposed to low end up here.

chgorman
08-07-2009, 10:39 AM
Yeah, I don't think Spartan is counting Abdelkader 'cuz he's slated to start the year in Grand Rapids now that they've signed Eaves and J Willy. Abs was only gonna start the season with DET as a last resort if they weren't able to get anybody to fill the holes.

He'll develop much better getting 20 top line mins a night down in GR than he would getting 4-8 mins/gm on the 4th line (or being a scratch) in DET.

So how do you guys see the lines shaping up? I'm liking the looks of this:

Zett/Dats/Franzen
Leino/Filp/Cleary
Holmstrom/Helm/Williams
Maltby/Draper/Eaves

I like the idea of having a font-of-the-net presence on each of the top 3 lines.

Cornholio
08-07-2009, 11:21 AM
That's what I thought.
13 forwards, including Abby, so he can be sent down to play more that just 3-5 minutes.

chgorman
08-07-2009, 11:44 AM
That's what I thought.
13 forwards, including Abby, so he can be sent down to play more that just 3-5 minutes.

Right, so 12 fwds, like Spartan said ;)

Abs doesn't count as a roster player or against the cap if he's down in GR. so just like Sparty said, 12 fwds, roughly $500,000 in cap space, more if Lilja starts the season on LTIR, in which case Holland will likely sign somebody who can 'keep the flies off', as Babs likes to put it (i.e. a tough guy).

moans
08-07-2009, 05:31 PM
my guess, they make Evan McGrath the 13th forward.

phaneuf6
08-07-2009, 06:17 PM
my guess, they make Evan McGrath the 13th forward.

A buddy of yours I'm guessing.

moans
08-07-2009, 06:51 PM
nah, he's a fuckin clown actually. I just think that he is exactly what they need and he fits into their salary cap situation. I also saw an article in the oakville beaver about it. Either him or Theo Fleury haha.

Hockeyis#1
08-09-2009, 04:27 PM
Rather random question and I'm feel some shame for not actually knowing the answer, but whatever happened to Aaron Downey? He was a fighter...not necesarily a great one, but....

chgorman
08-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Rather random question and I'm feel some shame for not actually knowing the answer, but whatever happened to Aaron Downey? He was a fighter...not necesarily a great one, but....

I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure his contract expired after this past season and he wasn't re-signed, due to the cap situation and having to replace all those other guys that left.

If Kenny can free up a little more cap space, I could see them signing Downey (or a similarly cheap fighter/enforcer type), as they don't really have anything in the way of toughness right now. Stuart isn't really a fighter, and I don't see Lilja doing much fighting anymore after he got shit kicked by Weber, and thats assuming he can even come back, which is no sure thing by any means, as his concussion symptoms continue to linger. Those are the only two guys on the entire roster who could fight if necessary, and neither are even close to a true fighter/enforcer type, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Kenny sign somebody who can fight every so often as necessary to a similar two-way deal to what Downey had last season, and that way, they can just call him up when they think they're gonna need him, and he won't count against the cap the rest of the time when he's down in GR.

Cornholio
08-12-2009, 06:56 AM
I thought Downey was gonna play in Grand Rapids?!?
Hope McCarty will stay there as well...

But I agree, the Wings need more grit, Cleary, Holmer, Stuart, not enough...
Grier could have been a fitting guy there, but he recently signed with the Sabres...

fancy19
08-12-2009, 09:21 AM
:hic:chgorman, BTW, the rediwings chick is my woman but I'm open to sharing:p

chgorman
08-12-2009, 09:23 PM
:hic:chgorman, BTW, the rediwings chick is my woman but I'm open to sharing:p

Oh crap, I had no idea dude! Sorry, don't see ya around too often, so didn't realize you were already using it. I'll go back to my previous pic, no worries.

edit, can't find my old one now... this one'll work.

fancy19
08-13-2009, 09:24 AM
LOL, no worries, was just joking with ya :) Your right too, I havn't been posting much
anyway, damn offseason!

Kyle
08-18-2009, 09:05 AM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=479840

Doesn't sound terrible. I'm happy with our talent and I don't mind adding the grit and size. He has a good year locked somewhere in him, just hope he finds it.

Spartan
08-18-2009, 09:39 AM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=479840

Doesn't sound terrible. I'm happy with our talent and I don't mind adding the grit and size. He has a good year locked somewhere in him, just hope he finds it.Plus he can keep Holmer company in the rehab/training room.

Chilly_Willy
08-18-2009, 11:14 AM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=479840

Doesn't sound terrible. I'm happy with our talent and I don't mind adding the grit and size. He has a good year locked somewhere in him, just hope he finds it.

LOL I wouldn't discount it entirely the wings are great at rebounding declining players into solid 3rd 4th line players + PP PK specialists. Last time bertuzzi was here it was in the middle of his whole back injury battle. He could still be an injury liability but if he can stay healthy and adopt a "wing attitude" he still shows flashes of the old scoring touch. Its a ken holland move for sure low risk, high reward, low cost.

Hockeyis#1
08-18-2009, 03:38 PM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=479840

Doesn't sound terrible. I'm happy with our talent and I don't mind adding the grit and size. He has a good year locked somewhere in him, just hope he finds it.

He'll still drop the gloves IIRC?

Kyle
08-18-2009, 03:47 PM
He's a stocky power forward...not the Wings' cup of tea :rolleyes:

Really, that's my only knock on the team. We need a guy similar to Lucic, Shanahan, etc. if we aren't going to use guys like Downey or McCarty.

This is old but I agree 100% and thats why I'm actually hopeful that we lock something up with Bertz. I'm not making excuses but I feel like our type of team really hurt our playoff chances when we had to fight through Anaheim. Chi played really bad so it just didn't show but I don't think we EVER played at the top of our game at any point durring the last two series (No, the two games vs Chi/Pens respectively where they owned themselves with penalties doesn't count). We had nothing to fight Anaheim with so they just smacked us around. I want Bertz for that reason alone.

Hes no worse than our 11th-12th, its no risk.

chgorman
08-18-2009, 04:07 PM
I have mixed feelings on this one too. I like the price and the potential if they're planning on playing him with either Zetts or Dats (or both), I just hope he's willing to toss his weight around and throw down if/when necessary, as that need still hasn't been addressed if he's not willing to do so.

So where does this put the team with regards to the cap? I'm guessing this is Lebda or Meech's ticket outta town?

Spartan
08-18-2009, 04:11 PM
I have mixed feelings on this one too. I like the price and the potential if they're planning on playing him with either Zetts or Dats (or both), I just hope he's willing to toss his weight around and throw down if/when necessary, as that need still hasn't been addressed if he's not willing to do so.

So where does this put the team with regards to the cap? I'm guessing this is Lebda or Meech's ticket outta town?It really sounds bad for Lilja at this point. I would expect him to be on LTIR. That should alleviate enough cap room.

Cornholio
08-18-2009, 06:21 PM
I personally don't like Bertuzzi, but IMO that's hjust the type of player the Wings needed!
He is gritty, plays with his body, can be a kind of a grinder, and he can score!!
1.5 M$ isn't that much I think.

So I decided to like the move!

Hockeyis#1
08-18-2009, 11:35 PM
Having Bert might reignite that Col/Wings rivalry a little...just saying...

Kyle
08-19-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't see how. Bert had nothing to do with that and none of our core except Lidstrom had anything to do with that, and he was the least emotionally involved of anybody in that era. Exact same applies to the Avs. It just isn't there anymore and you could tell in the 08 playoffs.

two24four
08-19-2009, 09:06 AM
I don't see how. Bert had nothing to do with that and none of our core except Lidstrom had anything to do with that, and he was the least emotionally involved of anybody in that era. Exact same applies to the Avs. It just isn't there anymore and you could tell in the 08 playoffs.

It's pretty much the same with the Leafs & Sens, after playing in the playoffs vs eachother for a few years (late 90's early 2000's, with the Leafs owning I might add in the playoff's :D) it got pretty heated, but now, not so much, I think the only players left from all that are Alfie, Phillips, & Fisher with the Sens & Kabby for the Leafs.

I also dont see how the Wings getting Big Bert get's the Wings vs Avs rivalry going again.

Chilly_Willy
08-19-2009, 09:43 AM
I like this move honestly I like the team more this year than last. Great tweaking by Holland.

Hockeyis#1
08-19-2009, 02:18 PM
I don't see how. Bert had nothing to do with that and none of our core except Lidstrom had anything to do with that, and he was the least emotionally involved of anybody in that era. Exact same applies to the Avs. It just isn't there anymore and you could tell in the 08 playoffs.


It's pretty much the same with the Leafs & Sens, after playing in the playoffs vs eachother for a few years (late 90's early 2000's, with the Leafs owning I might add in the playoff's :D) it got pretty heated, but now, not so much, I think the only players left from all that are Alfie, Phillips, & Fisher with the Sens & Kabby for the Leafs.

I also dont see how the Wings getting Big Bert get's the Wings vs Avs rivalry going again.

The whole Bert/Moore thing...idk now that I think about it, it really doesn't do much....

Kyle
08-19-2009, 03:05 PM
Oh yeah. Sadly not even much of THAT Col team no longer plays as part of their core. And with all due respect, no one ever gave a shit about Moore. Just not enough star level storyline for a rivalry anymore.

And someone needs to smash someone else's jaw like a little fucking bitch to piss everyone off in the first place. Maybe Kronwall might make a controversial check sometime and get the ball rolling. We can only hope.

Chilly_Willy
08-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Oh yeah. Sadly not even much of THAT Col team no longer plays as part of their core. And with all due respect, no one ever gave a shit about Moore. Just not enough star level storyline for a rivalry anymore.

And someone needs to smash someone else's jaw like a little fucking bitch to piss everyone off in the first place. Maybe Kronwall might make a controversial check sometime and get the ball rolling. We can only hope.

In the hay day that rivalry was something else, not just driven by fans driving their team to fule traditional rivalry with another city but rather 2 teams the ligitimately hated each other and had personal grudges. I truley beleive the rivalry is as dead as a door nail, not even Bert will stir the pot. Everything including bert was soo long ago, Colorodo is no longer a playoff team, the only players I can think off from the rivalry teams are Foote and Drapper and they are playing Veteran Depth duties. Without the teams being premeir in the league, the players that drove the emotion, and the possibility of meeting in the playoffs its little more than a distant memory unfortunately. I can even remember when it started to taper off where the media would hype the bajeezers out of a game and you'd watch it and be like ummmm....

Cornholio
08-19-2009, 03:51 PM
I don't see how. Bert had nothing to do with that and none of our core except Lidstrom had anything to do with that
Well, Draper was the main cause, and Maltby & Holmström still play with the Wings.
(I know that they were not playing main parts, as well as Lidström)

alias
08-21-2009, 08:37 PM
so whats going on in goal for detroit? does howard get a good share of games? is 30 stretching it?

Cornholio
08-22-2009, 03:28 AM
I would say, he'll get 20-30 starts, depending on how Osgood is playing.

Hoenstly, I'm a bit afraid of Ozzie struggling, don't know if Howard would be able to play good enough.

Hockeyis#1
08-22-2009, 04:31 PM
According to a poll on Winging it in Motown, the slight majority of Wings fans are frustrated by Bert being back in Detroit.

Why? He could still chip in ~20 goals when healthy and is willing to drop the gloves, and he was reasonabley priced. Where's the problem?

Cornholio
08-23-2009, 03:42 AM
As I said, he's none of my personal faves, I don't really like him a lot, but the due to the arguments you mentioned, I chose to like the deal!

Jake
08-24-2009, 08:42 PM
Not a fan of the Bert signing, but I went against the grain and LOVE the Williams signing. I really think this was a steal for the Wings and that he will silence the critics

two24four
09-05-2009, 11:26 AM
Red Wings invite Dan Cloutier to camp.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=290055

Cornholio
09-05-2009, 12:05 PM
mlive.com said, that Cloutier invited himself / asked to be invited.
Anyway, nothing bad for the Wings, if they can put him under the cap.
Who knows about Ozzie's consistancy (sp?) and Howard starting regularly??
It can't hurt to have an experienced goalie!

Hockeyis#1
09-06-2009, 11:27 AM
I take it no ones seen all the pictures of the Dan Cloutier Memorial award? Or any of the other photoshops of him on the internet? Yeah, he's not going to help at all

eykwingnut
09-06-2009, 12:05 PM
its gotta be the helmet!

Hockeyis#1
09-06-2009, 08:10 PM
its gotta be the helmet!
:confused:

Chilly_Willy
09-06-2009, 10:11 PM
It fits the wings MO. Mediocre cheap veteran goaltending with an unbeleivable team in front.

MrScientist
09-06-2009, 10:19 PM
:confused:

Cloutier and Osgood have the same style helmet.

Chilly_Willy
09-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Cloutier and Osgood have the same style helmet.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: you may be on to something here. Come to think of it has anyone ever seen them together. hmm....


http://www.michiganhockeyonline.com/images/October_29_2007/OsgoodMug1029.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/allan_muir/09/07/pacific.report.card/tx.cloutier.jpg

alias
09-06-2009, 11:43 PM
didnt hasek have that helmet too?

Zangetsu
09-07-2009, 01:29 AM
Hasek's was even more old-school.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39563000/jpg/_39563967_dallas_stars_300.jpg

Hockeyis#1
09-07-2009, 10:06 AM
It fits the wings MO. Mediocre cheap veteran goaltending with an unbeleivable team in front.

I'd say mediocre is being generous

Spartan
09-14-2009, 03:23 PM
A little news from Training Camp Day 1


Jason Williams gets point duty on Red Wings' No. 2 power-play unit; Ville Leino's line excels

by Ansar Khan Sunday September 13, 2009, 2:54 PM


TRAVERSE CITY -- A few notes from the first day of Red Wings' training camp at Centre I.C.E.
• Coach Mike Babcock said right wing Jason Williams, as expected, will fill Mikael Samuelsson's spot at the point on the second power-play unit, alongside Niklas Kronwall.
"It's a spot I'm familiar with, but it's not just going to be handed to me,'' Williams said. "It's something we (he and Kronwall) work on throughout camp and in the exhibition games and try to get familiar with each other and what the tendencies are.''

Young defenseman Jonathan Ericsson, who has a tremendous shot, also could have filled the role, but Babcock wants him to devote his energy to the penalty-killing units.
• Ville Leino's line, with Williams and Valtteri Filppula, excelled in leading Team Howe past Team Delvecchio 5-4 in the scrimmage. Leino had two goals and two assists, Filppula had a goal and two assists and Williams added a goal and an assist.
"Imagine if that's our third line, that's a pretty good third line,'' Babcock said. "It's probably no different than (Jiri) Hudler and (Mikael) Samuelsson with Williams.''
• General manager Ken Holland confirmed that defenseman Andreas Lilja will start the season on long-term injured reserve.
Lilja, who hasn't been cleared for contact because of headaches and concussion-like symptoms, isn't even allowed to skate with the team in practices. He said he hopes to skate on his own Monday.
Lilja being on the IR puts the Red Wings under the salary cap, so there's no need to trade a defenseman for the time being.
"Lils has had a setback,'' Babcock said. "It doesn't look to me like he's in the picture at all.''
Said Lilja: "I got headaches, I got to get rid of those. I'm going to skate, it's just that I'm not going to skate with contact.
"Not necessary for me to be out there right now. It's camp, everybody is trying to make spots, they kind of run around.''
• Henrik Zetterberg, who yhas been bothered by a sore groin, scored two goals for Team Delvecchio.
• Goaltender Jimmy Howard had a rough start, giving up three goals on 15 shots.
• Jeremy Williams (goal, assist) and Mattias Ritola (two assists) also had multiple points.
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/09/jason_williams_gets_point_duty.html

WIS
09-17-2009, 01:20 AM
Just came back from the Wings' game. A little buzzed, yes. However, you don't truly appreciate the talent that Lidstrom and Datsyuk have until you see them live. What a good game and a good experience. Also, Emery is back and he's ready. He'll be just fine.

MrScientist
09-21-2009, 05:41 PM
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7918_1251177120400_1258650048_746704_6745535_n.jpg

hockeyzombie
09-28-2009, 08:32 AM
What is Justin Abdelkader's status with the team? In the pre-season he has been playing on the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think he was cut but I have heard he won't make the team due to Salary Cap issues?

Spartan
09-28-2009, 09:53 AM
What is Justin Abdelkader's status with the team? In the pre-season he has been playing on the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think he was cut but I have heard he won't make the team due to Salary Cap issues?They want him in Grand Rapids this year. He will fill in for Helm during the Euro trip, then go back to GR. He really needs 20 minutes a night to develop. If he were to stay up he would only see 12-15 minutes. If he gets the minutes in the minors, he has a ceiling of a top 6 forward. If he gets less than 15 minutes a night he drops to a 3rd or 4th liner.

Cornholio
09-28-2009, 03:55 PM
I also think he'll be the 13th forward, but that could vary due to hot or cold streaks, or the way Babcock wants to play.

But I'm sure he'll be the first to play if anyone gets hurt (*knocks on wood*)

On saturday I heard during the broadcast, that he "only" played all the games, because not all the other guys were 100% healthy (Z, Bert, Cleary)

Dubz
09-28-2009, 07:42 PM
What is Justin Abdelkader's status with the team? In the pre-season he has been playing on the 3rd and 4th lines. I don't think he was cut but I have heard he won't make the team due to Salary Cap issues?

A wings fan can chime in but Ive seen talk in this thread of him playing down for the most part this year....or something to that effect. They did sign a few wingers as well.

MrScientist
09-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Cleary
Leino-Helm-Williams
Maltby-Draper-Eaves

Abdelkader will be in Grand Rapids unless there's an injury. Right now, Helm is out, hence why Abs went to Sweden.

MrScientist
09-30-2009, 02:15 PM
Wings beat Farjestad 6-2. I caught the 3rd period on NHL.com ... Draper and Eaves are going to do some damage this year. Both were flying, not to mention whenever Helm comes back

Cornholio
09-30-2009, 03:29 PM
Did Eaves play??
Abby did too, so who was missing?
Maltby?
Just watched parts of the game...

MrScientist
09-30-2009, 03:30 PM
Did Eaves play??
Abby did too, so who was missing?
Maltby?
Just watched parts of the game...

No, Helm is injured. I'm not even sure he went to Sweden.

chgorman
09-30-2009, 03:52 PM
No, Helm is injured. I'm not even sure he went to Sweden.

He didn't. Abs went in his place.

MrScientist
09-30-2009, 03:53 PM
Yeah I knew Abs was playing for him, but I meant if Helm went in general. Like I know Lilja is along for the ride, albeit as a cheerleader at this point ... : /

chgorman
09-30-2009, 03:55 PM
I don't think Helm made the trip at all, but I could be wrong. He probably stayed back to rehab. Lilja went because he's from Sweden.

two24four
10-09-2009, 03:59 PM
Franzen out 4 months.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294313

Cornholio
10-09-2009, 04:43 PM
high price for the win yesterday...

Dubz
10-10-2009, 11:09 AM
DETROIT -- After this morning's skate, coach Mike Babcock announced that Henrik Zetterberg will jump to the top line with fellow Euro Twin Pavel Datsyuk and Tomas Holmstrom. Valtteri Filppula will center the second line with wings Ville Leino and Dan Cleary. Justin Abdelkader is back and he'll be with Todd Bertuzzi and Jason Williams. Kris Draper will be with Brad May and Patrick Eaves. Eaves is making his season debut.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/wingsblog/index.php?

Killa_Kyle
10-10-2009, 10:40 PM
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/wingsblog/index.php?

Judging by the shift charts the top line was Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Zetty with Holmstrom on the 2nd line.

Jake
10-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Any reason Zetts isnt wearing an A on his jersey anymore? I have been consumed with work and whatnot and have not really been able to follow as closely as I want

chgorman
10-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Any reason Zetts isnt wearing an A on his jersey anymore? I have been consumed with work and whatnot and have not really been able to follow as closely as I want

Haven't been looking for it in previous gms I've watched, but he still has the A in the Van gm tonight.

Don't forget, when the new RBK jerseys came out, the winged wheel was bigger, so the Wings moved the C and A to the opposite shoulder of the jersey so that it wouldn't interfere with the tip of the wings. Every other team has the letters on the player's left shoulder, but the Wings have them on the player's right shoulder... is it possible you were looking for it on the left shoulder and missed it on the right? Cuz Zetts has the A on his jersey tonight against Van, and I can't see why they would've taken it away considering he's supposedly taking over the captaincy once Lids retires.

Jake
10-27-2009, 11:56 PM
Haven't been looking for it in previous gms I've watched, but he still has the A in the Van gm tonight.

Don't forget, when the new RBK jerseys came out, the winged wheel was bigger, so the Wings moved the C and A to the opposite shoulder of the jersey so that it wouldn't interfere with the tip of the wings. Every other team has the letters on the player's left shoulder, but the Wings have them on the player's right shoulder... is it possible you were looking for it on the left shoulder and missed it on the right? Cuz Zetts has the A on his jersey tonight against Van, and I can't see why they would've taken it away considering he's supposedly taking over the captaincy once Lids retires.

I saw that he had it on today, it was real apparent when he was eating Mitchells stick in the third. I listen to 97.1 The Ticket (local Detroit sports radio station) all the time and they never mentioned it, but I noticed it missing in the game against the Yotes.

Picture from the game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2503/photos;_ylt=ApJYZkKZSSATNPY51nClbVpivLYF#photoView er=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cgetty%3A20050301% 3Anhl%2Cphoto%2Ca53c7855f0092a3b032c1aeee89c2d8a-getty-90953056cp001_detroit_red_w%3A1

Not a big deal, was just wondering if I had missed something.

chgorman
10-28-2009, 06:26 AM
I saw that he had it on today, it was real apparent when he was eating Mitchells stick in the third. I listen to 97.1 The Ticket (local Detroit sports radio station) all the time and they never mentioned it, but I noticed it missing in the game against the Yotes.

Picture from the game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2503/photos;_ylt=ApJYZkKZSSATNPY51nClbVpivLYF#photoView er=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cgetty%3A20050301% 3Anhl%2Cphoto%2Ca53c7855f0092a3b032c1aeee89c2d8a-getty-90953056cp001_detroit_red_w%3A1

Not a big deal, was just wondering if I had missed something.

Hmm, that is odd. Not sure what that's all about. Maybe they did give it to someone else for a few games, not sure...

Spartan
10-28-2009, 07:00 AM
Hmm, that is odd. Not sure what that's all about. Maybe they did give it to someone else for a few games, not sure...It looks like its just folded under at the shoulder.

Jake
10-28-2009, 12:56 PM
I watched the game vs. the Yotes and noticed he did not have it on, thats why I looked it up online and found nothing (nor did I hear anything in the media) so I thought I would ask here. He probably just got a new jersey or something like that. Not a big deal at all

Zangetsu
10-30-2009, 12:44 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Filppula's going to mix 6-8 weeks with a broken wrist.

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/10/red_wings_forward_valtteri_fil_1.html

Hockeyis#1
10-31-2009, 04:39 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Filppula's going to mix 6-8 weeks with a broken wrist.

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/10/red_wings_forward_valtteri_fil_1.html
He really hasn't been that big a factor so far, but seeing as the Wings are slumping and have been slow out of the gate, this is not going to help at all.

Cornholio
10-31-2009, 11:24 AM
He wasn't too bad in the last few games IMO.
I heard Leino will be the scratch tonight...
He didn't play good lately I think.
Ozzie to start

Hockeyis#1
11-03-2009, 11:35 PM
Really thought the Wings looked good tonight VS Boston. Very happy with that performance. 3-1 in the last 4, and points in 7 of 8 is a good sign.

Kyle
11-04-2009, 03:55 AM
The Wings have righted the ship. I said in that Avs #1 thread before this hot streak started that I was not worried at all about the Wings horrible record. As long as I see them playing the type of hockey they should be playing (fast, hard working tape-to-tape puck posession), then I'm always hopeful for another cup run. Worrying about making the playoffs still hasn't entered my mind yet this year and I truly doubt it ever will. Our only issue has been goaltending and its going to be up and down but they'll hold together to post a solid regular season record and hopefully Ozzy can play like a fucking monster for a third year straight in the playoffs.

chgorman
11-04-2009, 07:15 AM
Solid gm last night despite missing Franzen, Rafalski, Filppula, Ericsson and May. Oz was a rock (although he did get really lucky a few times, but what goalie doesn't every once in a while).

If they can continue to play that well until those guys come back, making the playoffs should be a breeze.

Big test Thurs against SJ! If the Wings can take that game too despite all the injuries to key players then things are lookin' really good!

Cornholio
11-04-2009, 12:57 PM
I thought May was scratched??

But I agree of course, solid game, keep going!!
I'm afraid I can't watch the game vs SJ :(

MrScientist
11-04-2009, 01:00 PM
I thought May was scratched??

But I agree of course, solid game, keep going!!
I'm afraid I can't watch the game vs SJ :(

He got hit in the eye by Williams' stick in Calgary.

jeffoule
11-05-2009, 05:59 AM
Any news on Jonathan Ericsson ?

MrScientist
11-05-2009, 07:10 AM
Any news on Jonathan Ericsson ?

He and Rafalski had the flu so no reason they shouldn't be back tonight, or at the most the next game.

chgorman
11-05-2009, 09:10 AM
Any news on Jonathan Ericsson ?


He and Rafalski had the flu so no reason they shouldn't be back tonight, or at the most the next game.

Sounds like Rafalski will be back tonight but Ericsson may not. He either got hit harder by the flu or got it a day or two after Raffy, maybe both, can't remember, but I know I saw somthing (possibly on rotoworld this morning...?) saying Raffy was ready to go but Ericsson wasn't quite there yet. That said, he still may play tonight if he's feeling better today, but don't count on it. I think Sat in TOR is a more likely return date for Big E, so that he's sure he's 100% when he returns. I could be wrong though, maybe he goes tonight, just don't count on it.

Kyle
11-05-2009, 09:19 AM
Yeah, that pretty much mimics exactly what my friend in Farmington told me, that he was a longshot hopeful for tonight but pratically guarenteed by next game.

Ericsson is definitely someone Babcock won't rush. I'm so happy hes emerged as the stud he is, he is definitely our new Nick Lidstrom moving forward and its only appropriate that such top-class talent gets groomed by arguably the best defensive player in NHL history. Really excited to see what this year and future years holds in store for him.

Spartan
11-05-2009, 03:52 PM
Ericsson back.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/11/red_wings_defenseman_andreas_l_1.html

Kyle
11-05-2009, 10:11 PM
Wings are BACK, sunk the sharks.

Mystical112
11-05-2009, 11:47 PM
Wings are BACK, sunk the sharks.

:D:evilgrin::lol:
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Dubz
11-05-2009, 11:54 PM
I started Nabby and OZZY against each other...Gotta admit I seen this shit happening.

Kyle
11-07-2009, 07:30 PM
lol, all the sudden Osgood is 6-2-2 with a 2.54 GAA and 9.10 sv%. How the fuck did that happen?:lol:

And a really heartwarming cheer by the fans for Yzerman when his turn came up (appropriately last) in the Hall of Fame induction pregame ceremony. It was at least three times as loud as the other 12+ people there, the closest being Scotty Boman.

Hockeyis#1
11-07-2009, 11:41 PM
So is there any way Jimmy Howard can steal starts from Ozzy?

chgorman
11-08-2009, 12:54 AM
Yikes, just got home and saw the score... wha' happened? I wasn't able to see the gm. Did the LEafs play a phenominal game? The Wings just shit the bed or something? A little from column A, little form colum B?

eykwingnut
11-08-2009, 10:22 AM
Yikes, just got home and saw the score... wha' happened? I wasn't able to see the gm. Did the LEafs play a phenominal game? The Wings just shit the bed or something? A little from column A, little form colum B?
The monster stole the show. The final score is not an indication of how the game went. It was a tight contest.

Kyle
11-08-2009, 10:44 AM
Yeah, it wasn't a game to be worried about as a Det fan, just one of those nights.

MrScientist
11-08-2009, 10:50 AM
Williams broke his leg, someone stop sticking the fucking voodoo doll!

chgorman
11-08-2009, 12:11 PM
The monster stole the show. The final score is not an indication of how the game went. It was a tight contest.


Yeah, it wasn't a game to be worried about as a Det fan, just one of those nights.

Cool, thx guys. Wasn't particularly worried, just curious as to how the game actually went.


Williams broke his leg, someone stop sticking the fucking voodoo doll!

This is getting ridiculous. Pretty soon the lineup is going to be entirely comprised of Grand Rapids players at this rate. At least we have BOS fans to comiserate with.

HT9
11-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Cool, thx guys. Wasn't particularly worried, just curious as to how the game actually went.



This is getting ridiculous. Pretty soon the lineup is going to be entirely comprised of Grand Rapids players at this rate. At least we have BOS fans to comiserate with.

And Vancouver :(

a0102030405
11-08-2009, 05:25 PM
and florida.

and colorado.

and montreal.

and the rangers.

and philly.

and the pens.

and washington.



damn injuries. :mad:

Hockeyis#1
11-08-2009, 07:46 PM
and the rangers.

and philly.

:confused:

Drury is DTD and no one expects Gagne to stay healthy.

Dubz
11-08-2009, 08:38 PM
Wings = Leafs bitch

Sorry guys but I may never get the chance to throw some shit this way again

a0102030405
11-08-2009, 08:53 PM
:confused:

Drury is DTD and no one expects Gagne to stay healthy.

true for gagne, and maybe even briere, but still 2 big injuries, and then JVR breaks his finger.

ranger = drury, dubby, lundy (maybe)

plus souray was DTD too with a concussion, and so was Booth if I remember correctly.

Kyle
11-08-2009, 09:20 PM
Wings = Leafs bitch

Sorry guys but I may never get the chance to throw some shit this way again

lol, thats OK. I actually thought it was an extremely close game and maybe even give Det the edge outside goaltending. But the goaltending advantage was too steep in Toronto's favor. Great game and definitely more close than the score implied, IMO.

Hockeyis#1
11-09-2009, 10:55 PM
true for gagne, and maybe even briere, but still 2 big injuries, and then JVR breaks his finger.

ranger = drury, dubby, lundy (maybe)

plus souray was DTD too with a concussion, and so was Booth if I remember correctly.

Only drury was listed on the rangers injury report I read that day....

Spartan
11-11-2009, 04:58 PM
Red Wings claimed Drew Miller from waivers. He will probably play for the Grifs.

MrScientist
11-11-2009, 05:03 PM
Played great defensively in Tampa, but the dude couldn't sniff the net if it was coated in garlic.

Kyle
11-11-2009, 09:22 PM
9-1. Nice confidence boost.

Kyle
11-12-2009, 01:59 AM
Wings go from 15th to 7th in goals/game in one night.

Kyle
11-12-2009, 10:35 PM
Wings keep rolling, 3-1 vs Vancuver. 6th best in the West now, didn't take long.

Dubz
11-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Depth is awesome on this club. Bring in Howard and get the May Abdy line working. Let the guns do the shooting and voila. I still have no doubt this team is a contender without Chelios.

HT9
11-13-2009, 06:11 AM
Brutal game to watch but man I love Rypien showing May whats up.

Kyle
11-13-2009, 12:29 PM
Brutal game to watch but man I love Rypien showing May whats up.

I don't think its ever called "showing someone whats up" when you win a fight against a Red Wing.:lol:

Cornholio
11-13-2009, 12:49 PM
Mason was horrible, but what the f*ck, we take the win!! :cool:

Can't wait to see the game tomorrow night, since I missed the last 2 games

HT9
11-13-2009, 03:05 PM
I don't think its ever called "showing someone whats up" when you win a fight against a Red Wing.:lol:

Haha yea i know :P It's just when May was a Canuck he was so useless it wasn't even funny, I don't know why he is still in the league.

Kyle
11-13-2009, 03:41 PM
Haha yea i know :P It's just when May was a Canuck he was so useless it wasn't even funny, I don't know why he is still in the league.

Yeah, May is unarguably our worst roster spot right now. Wouldn't have a dream of even seeing any ice time if we didn't have our injury issues.

HT9
11-13-2009, 03:56 PM
Oyeah definitely, he would probably play for us as well because of our injuries !

chgorman
11-13-2009, 09:00 PM
He's cheap, and he fights. that's why he's on the roster. I'm not saying it's right, but that's why he's there. For the money, is somebody better available? I'm honestly asking, 'cuz I don't know.

a0102030405
11-15-2009, 12:57 AM
Z finally had that monster game he was supposed to about a month ago.

good to see the wings back to looking like the wings.

Cornholio
11-15-2009, 09:16 AM
scoring 7 and getting 4, on 25 or so shots.
that's "our" wings...

well, as long as they score at least one more than the opponent, it's alright ;)

eykwingnut
11-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the free Arby's curly fries today Z!

two24four
11-15-2009, 12:26 PM
He's cheap, and he fights. that's why he's on the roster. I'm not saying it's right, but that's why he's there. For the money, is somebody better available? I'm honestly asking, 'cuz I don't know.

Mike Danton :D

Kyle
11-15-2009, 11:14 PM
What an amazing game. Completely outplayed the Ducks, we sat on our heels when we got leads but outside those short bursts of weak playing it was a completely dominate game with almost a 2:1 shot ratio in favor of the Wings.

Zetterberg is an absolute monster. Skyrockets to #14 in the league in scoring, really brilliant game. Kronwall with another multi point night to break top 10 in defensemen scoring. Wings are now the 4th best offense in the league.

Just a fantastic early turnaround. I definitely called that there was no concern for our playoff hopes this year and that we would fix things up but I truly did not expect it to happen this soon or this explosively!

Goaltending remains an issue but quite frankly its no worse than the abysmal numbers Osgood/Hasek had put up this past five years in the regular season.

Kyle
11-18-2009, 07:54 PM
Wow, what a fluke goal by Ericcson into his own net. He seems to be surrounded with bad luck, I remember that loose stick bouncing a puck on a routine play behind our net durring the playoffs and it resulted in a goal. I forget against who.

And right back on the penalty kill. Weak call but oh well. We usually respond well to bad fortune!

Edit - Wow, Zetterberg is just unbelievable and I'm glad hes reminding the NHL that he is easily a top 5 offensive player in this league. 1-2 now, Stars lead. And finally a good fight from May!

MrScientist
11-18-2009, 09:39 PM
So...not a goal? Ridiculous.

Kyle
11-18-2009, 10:06 PM
Eh, oh well. Not a bad game by the Wings at all.

chgorman
11-18-2009, 10:23 PM
I still don't understand what 'intent' has to do with that non-goal call. It's not like the goalie had it covered and then it got poked in... it clealy went straight in and replay clearly showed that, long before the whistle was blown, regardless of the ref's 'intent' to blow it dead.

I just don't understand how a goal can be called back when there's INDISPUTABLE VIDEO EVIDENCE that the puck went in legally, contradicting any supposed referee 'intent' and proving that 'intent' clearly wrong. I don't think there's any rational logic that can explain why that shouldn't have been a goal. Why bother with video replay if it clearly shows the ref was wrong but yet the wrong call is still upheld?

No biggie I guess, it's just one gm and there's no guarantee the Wings woulda won anyway if the goal had been upheld, it just super frustrsting to watch when the refs make a call that completely defies logic and reason, and then are allowed to uphold it despite indisputable video evidence proving it wrong. It's baffling.

Kyle
11-18-2009, 10:33 PM
Hasn't this happened with the wings in recent years where an important goal was called back because of a play blown dead when the video factually proved it was a a legal goal? Oh well, it happens.

a0102030405
11-19-2009, 12:09 AM
NHL needs to go to a NFL style challenge system. Stupid refs have fucked over the wings so much in the last few years. But then again, maybe I'm biased.

Kyle
11-19-2009, 03:40 AM
NHL needs to go to a NFL style challenge system. Stupid refs have fucked over the wings so much in the last few years. But then again, maybe I'm biased.

A bit biased, but we definitely seem to have particularly unlikely bad calls like this go against us more often than most teams. I think most teams see a full year of hockey without anything like this no goal ever happening (Where its just so blatantly wrong). This seems to be our 2nd in a short time (Since last years playoffs if I recall correctly).

I also think in the past (not anymore), we were often made to be examples for crashing the crease rules since Holmstrom was such a popular example in the debate of what should be called vs what should be allowed.

So we've definitely had our share of referee woes but I don't think its quite fair to make it seem like we have a real issue with it, like the Ravens do with the NFL officials(I think its absolutely assanine how many games the Ravens have lost to shit calls or horrible penalties, I feel horrible for their defense).

For the most part the Wings are treated very fairly since they make life so easy on referees. This was just a shitty fluke that should never happen that coincidentally happened to us twice recently, which sucks, but oh well.

MrScientist
11-19-2009, 10:03 AM
YouTube- Kings @ Lightning 11/14/09

Go to 4:35. It's rampant.

eykwingnut
11-19-2009, 11:03 AM
Hasn't this happened with the wings in recent years where an important goal was called back because of a play blown dead when the video factually proved it was a a legal goal? Oh well, it happens.
it was different THEN though because the refs thought that fleury (i think thats who it was) had it covered. THIS time the puck went straight in so i dont understand this call at ALL.

eykwingnut
11-19-2009, 11:07 AM
YouTube- Kings @ Lightning 11/14/09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyvCKr56Ic0)

Go to 4:35. It's rampant.
i think thats a completely different scenario though. in this case the refs see a player interfering with the goaltender. in the scenario last night there is nothing the ref can analyze to call that no goal. how is there intent to blow the whistle 5 seconds earlier while the puck is CLEARLY about 10 feet from the net? there is no way the ref intended to blow the whistle unless he was calling a penalty or something.

eykwingnut
11-19-2009, 11:17 AM
YouTube- Brad May's Disallowed Goal 11/18/09

for those of you that missed it...

Hockeyis#1
11-19-2009, 11:19 AM
edit:
nvm, after watching the replays, that's not close. It's clearly a goal. Puck in net before whistle.

Anyone remember the blown call against the wings where the puck went into the netting above the boards, came out and was shot in?

eykwingnut
11-19-2009, 11:45 AM
Anyone see Babcock's interview after the game? He made a great point. He said if somebody scored, the puck quickly bounced out the the net, and no whistle was blown; they would go back, review the goal, and make the right call. There was clearly no intent to blow the whistle because the puck went in on the shot. There is really no excuse to blow a call like that with instant replay. Here's to hoping a call like that never happens in the playoffs!

a0102030405
11-19-2009, 12:18 PM
Anyone see Babcock's interview after the game? He made a great point. He said if somebody scored, the puck quickly bounced out the the net, and no whistle was blown; they would go back, review the goal, and make the right call. There was clearly no intent to blow the whistle because the puck went in on the shot. There is really no excuse to blow a call like that with instant replay. Here's to hoping a call like that never happens in the playoffs!


too late.

Kyle
11-19-2009, 12:20 PM
WOW, I didn't notice it that obviously, thats fucking so damn stupid. That is the most illogical and retarded call I've ever seen at the NHL level. HOW can the rulebook say that can't be overturned? How on earth can a puck that is indisputably proven to be in the net at least 3 seconds before a whistle not be called a goal? Worst call I've ever seen. Wow.

eykwingnut
11-19-2009, 12:37 PM
too late.
I think I know where you're coming from, but this one was unlike anything I've ever seen before, and I still don't understand how there was intent to blow the whistle this time.

chgorman
11-19-2009, 12:47 PM
WOW, I didn't notice it that obviously, thats fucking so damn stupid. That is the most illogical and retarded call I've ever seen at the NHL level. HOW can the rulebook say that can't be overturned? How on earth can a puck that is indisputably proven to be in the net at least 3 seconds before a whistle not be called a goal? Worst call I've ever seen. Wow.

Exactly my point. It's unfathomable. The call by the ref himself was ridiculous in the first place, but then the NHL not overruling the ref and overturning it upon review is worse IMO. It's one thing for the ref to make the terrible call in the first place, it happens all the time and in most cases it's fixed through replay or a 'make up' call, but it's a whole other issue when the system put in place to fix situations like that fails and/or isn't allowed to overturn the refs call for whatever stupid-assed reason. The NHL, that ref, and NHL refs in general should be completely embarrassed about this BS. Unacceptable.

chgorman
11-19-2009, 12:58 PM
Anyone see Babcock's interview after the game? He made a great point. He said if somebody scored, the puck quickly bounced out the the net, and no whistle was blown; they would go back, review the goal, and make the right call. There was clearly no intent to blow the whistle because the puck went in on the shot. There is really no excuse to blow a call like that with instant replay. Here's to hoping a call like that never happens in the playoffs!

I agree, that is a great point that Babs made and it's so true.

Cornholio
11-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Anyone remember the blown call against the wings where the puck went into the netting above the boards, came out and was shot in?
Yeah, that was last year against the Sharks I believe.

It's rediculues, the puck is cleary in the net, right after May shot it.
The justification, that the whistle has blown (or intendet to) just can't be right, I can't believe it!!!

chgorman
11-20-2009, 02:24 PM
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2009/11/nhl_official_admits_referee_mi.html

:wtf: :rolleyes: what a crock of horse shit. Mike Murphy's explanation makes ZERO sense whatsoever, basically saying replay is useless if the on-ice ref truly believes he's right even though he's so blatantly, obviously WRONG. what a joke. :rolleyes:

May's comments are good though, :lol:

Spartan
11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
Headed down to the Joe in a little while to see the Panthers game. If the refs get out of line again I'll take my shirt off and fight them like those White Sox fans a few years back.

Dubz
11-20-2009, 05:46 PM
Headed down to the Joe in a little while to see the Panthers game. If the refs get out of line again I'll take my shirt off and fight them like those White Sox fans a few years back.

Id love to see somebody fall from the top of the glass....talk about classic. (I dont think its ever happened...I do remember that nut job taking shots during practice in Montreal tho)

Wing Fans plug your ears...I think Osgood is starting.

Spartan
11-21-2009, 09:29 AM
What a yawner. The highlight was when a drunk guy tumbled down the last flight of stairs on the West entrance.

Cornholio
11-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Datsyuk's goal was nice though...

chgorman
11-21-2009, 12:15 PM
What a yawner. The highlight was when a drunk guy tumbled down the last flight of stairs on the West entrance.

Agreed. definitely the most boring Wings game I've seen in a long time.

two24four
11-27-2009, 10:12 PM
What's going on in DET? back to back shutout L's, 3 L's in a row now.

DarkValiant
11-27-2009, 11:32 PM
What's going on in DET? back to back shutout L's, 3 L's in a row now.

No Hossa, no Samuelsson, no Hudler. Franzen out, Flip out, Kronwall out, Williams out.

You can't replace those guys with guys from the AHL and expect not to miss a beat.

Spartan
11-28-2009, 12:29 AM
No Hossa, no Samuelsson, no Hudler. Franzen out, Flip out, Kronwall out, Williams out.

You can't replace those guys with guys from the AHL and expect not to miss a beat.Signing Bertuzzi cursed the hockey gods.

Fucker!

Cornholio
11-28-2009, 07:53 AM
At least they manage to get 30-40 shots a game, but it's way less quality than i.e. last season.

eykwingnut
11-28-2009, 11:12 AM
Damn, my DVR fucked up because of stupid FSN+, so I didn't get to see the game. That always happens on that stupid channel.

chgorman
11-28-2009, 01:55 PM
Damn, my DVR fucked up because of stupid FSN+, so I didn't get to see the game. That always happens on that stupid channel.

You didn't miss much. Wasn't a particularly exciting gm IMO. The wings got 40 shots but most were from terrible angles or way out. Kipper played VERY well, but of the 40 shots, only few were tough saves.

eykwingnut
11-29-2009, 12:36 AM
Big Bert with the HUGE GOAL! FINALLY!

eykwingnut
11-29-2009, 12:37 AM
You didn't miss much. Wasn't a particularly exciting gm IMO. The wings got 40 shots but most were from terrible angles or way out. Kipper played VERY well, but of the 40 shots, only few were tough saves.
Glad to hear I didn't miss much. This last one had me biting my nails though! Damn St. Louis plays us tough!

chgorman
11-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Glad to hear I didn't miss much. This last one had me biting my nails though! Damn St. Louis plays us tough!

For sure, much more exciting game last night. That line STL has with Oshie, Perron and (I think) Kariya scares me every time they have the puck. Solid game last night, solid win. Both goalies played well, both teams put in a solid effort. Hopefully the win gets the Wings back on track.

It's painfully obvious how much they miss Filp and Franzen... can't wait for those two to get back in the lineup.

And I love Helm, love the energy, speed and physicality, but the dude has to punch it in when he's got a wide open net. Missed 2 WIDE open nets last night, along with a couple other chances that he had. He creates great chances for himself with his speed and elusiveness, but he's gotta start converting more of his chances into goals.

And why the fuck didn't Babs have Leino going in the shootoout over Cleary and Bert? Can't complain about Bert, since he did score the shootout winner, but Cleary's move was terrible and I have to think Leino would have better moves than either of those guys if given the chance...

DarkValiant
11-29-2009, 11:50 AM
And I love Helm, love the energy, speed and physicality, but the dude has to punch it in when he's got a wide open net. Missed 2 WIDE open nets last night, along with a couple other chances that he had. He creates great chances for himself with his speed and elusiveness, but he's gotta start converting more of his chances into goals.

I swear to god Helm had like 4 or 5 chances himself. The guy has to work on his finish for sure. He shot wide or high every time.

If he ever does get his finish he'll be a beast.

eykwingnut
11-29-2009, 12:23 PM
Yeah, Helm is frustrating sometimes but he just looks so good most of the time. He will definitely develop sooner than later I think. Leino would probably be good in a shootout. I dunno why Cleary gets as much respect as he does when it comes to ice time and shootouts. The guy had a nice run in the playoffs a couple years ago but he's pretty garbage at putting the puck in the net for the amount of ice time and chances he gets. Not to mention his linemates are usually top notch. I was actually happy to see that Bertuzzi was picked in the shootout. The guy is a beast on breakaways, and he needed that to help him get out of this slump. I think he is the key to get the wings out of this funk until Franzen can return at the end of the year. It's only a matter of time before his pucks start finding the back of the net.

chgorman
11-30-2009, 10:54 PM
Good quality win for the Wings tonight. Nice to see Helmer, Bert and Cleary get on the board (and Miller too, to a lesser extent... pretty cheesy goal, haha).

I have no clue why DAL EVER starts Turco in DET. They started Auld a couple wks ago and won (granted it was the May-no-goal-that-clearly-shoulda-counted game), then they start Turco tonight and he gets filled. Guy has the worst luck at the Joe.

MrScientist
11-30-2009, 11:00 PM
This would happen the same day I call for an offensive player for the bottom lines to come from GR lol

a0102030405
12-01-2009, 10:06 AM
decent few games, but still waiting on top lines to get going so detroit can finally be the threat they should be.

chgorman
12-01-2009, 10:24 AM
decent few games, but still waiting on top lines to get going so detroit can finally be the threat they should be.

You're gonna hafta wait for Franzen, Filp, Williams and Kron to get back before that happens. Right now, with all the injuries, they don't have enough offensive depth thoughout the lineup to scare anybody, so other teams are able to key in on the top two lines defensively, which prevents them from really getting into a groove.

MrScientist
12-01-2009, 04:31 PM
You're gonna hafta wait for Franzen, Filp, Williams and Kron to get back before that happens. Right now, with all the injuries, they don't have enough offensive depth thoughout the lineup to scare anybody, so other teams are able to key in on the top two lines defensively, which prevents them from really getting into a groove.

GR seems pretty spread out for scoring...I think we should bring Jeremy Williams up and give him a shot to do something. This team has zero offense below the top two lines and is thin on the top two with injuries. I don't care what you say about last night's secondary scoring fest either :lol:

alias
12-06-2009, 07:48 PM
You guys think Detroit would have any interest in Jaroslav Halak or is Howard playing good enough that the team doesn't feel they need a goalie for playoffs?

Spartan
12-06-2009, 08:37 PM
You guys think Detroit would have any interest in Jaroslav Halak or is Howard playing good enough that the team doesn't feel they need a goalie for playoffs?No cap room.

MrScientist
12-06-2009, 08:42 PM
You guys think Detroit would have any interest in Jaroslav Halak or is Howard playing good enough that the team doesn't feel they need a goalie for playoffs?

Also, this is Howard's make or break year...he's the guy with Osgood's contract not lasting forever, and I think you'll see the Wings go for bigger fish if they decide he's not.

alias
12-06-2009, 10:17 PM
No cap room.

Halak's cap hit is only $775,000 and according to nhlnumbers Detroit has over 1 mil in room. Plus they would not carry 3 goalies and would lose one of the other guys' cap hit. Plus I think Halak could be signed for pretty cheap after this year. I'd be surprised if he gets more than a 2mil contract next year. With Lidstrom & Holmstrom coming off the books for next year there's plenty of cap space after this year.


Also, this is Howard's make or break year...he's the guy with Osgood's contract not lasting forever, and I think you'll see the Wings go for bigger fish if they decide he's not.

If Howard isn't the guy for the future I think Halak could be a nice fit in Detroit.

a0102030405
12-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I think DET has a guy in the minors who they are trying to shape to be their future starter. Howard is going a good job now, and I doubt DET would ever try to get Halak.

And since they already have Ossy who might be their playoff goalie, I doubt they want 3 goalies.

phaneuf6
12-06-2009, 10:43 PM
I think DET has a guy in the minors who they are trying to shape to be their future starter. Howard is going a good job now, and I doubt DET would ever try to get Halak.

And since they already have Ossy who might be their playoff goalie, I doubt they want 3 goalies.

They have Thomas McCollum who should develop into a starting goaltender. He's still young though.

MrScientist
12-06-2009, 10:53 PM
They have Thomas McCollum who should develop into a starting goaltender. He's still young though.

Yeah this is McCollum's first year in the AHL...I'd say if we don't end up sticking with Howard, we'd pull another mid-range goalie like Emery or Biron for a one-two year deal. I just pray we don't trade for Giguere...

a0102030405
12-07-2009, 12:48 AM
I just pray we don't trade for Giguere...

no cap room even if they wanted to. Unless they trade Lids or Dats or Z, Giggy doesn't fit.

MrScientist
12-07-2009, 12:49 AM
no cap room even if they wanted to. Unless they trade Lids or Dats or Z, Giggy doesn't fit.

But Giggy is signed beyond this year, no? And the Wings have a lot of cap room coming their way after this season...:scared:

a0102030405
12-07-2009, 10:17 AM
But Giggy is signed beyond this year, no? And the Wings have a lot of cap room coming their way after this season...:scared:

Too lazy to check, but I believe Lids contract ends this year, he may take a pay cut if his play continues like this, but still I doubt he would get less then 3-4.5M.

Kyle
12-07-2009, 10:25 AM
Yeah, he shouldn't get any less than that. Hes lost a bit of his edge but his main quality has always been his fantastic stickwork which hasn't gone anywhere. Defensively he is still a monster and his production will go up big time when we get healthy and scoring again. But his defense alone is worth 4+ mill a year so I don't expect to see his pay going down too drastically. But it does open up a bit of space regardless.

eykwingnut
12-07-2009, 12:56 PM
Anyone else sick of watching Meech standing around in his defensive zone? When he does try to do something he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Is there a reason why Kindl isn't up with the Wings instead of Meech?

Cornholio
12-07-2009, 02:57 PM
They have Larsson as well, he was backing up Howard when Ozzie was DTD

Kyle
12-09-2009, 09:56 PM
Man this is a ridiculous game against the Blues. Completely dominating the puck but blowing it with faceoffs and just constantly missing the net. God I miss Franzen.

moans
12-09-2009, 10:07 PM
I watched the last 5 minutes of the game. The Wings looked absolutely terrible. No sense of urgency at all.

chgorman
12-09-2009, 10:32 PM
Man this is a ridiculous game against the Blues. Completely dominating the puck but blowing it with faceoffs and just constantly missing the net. God I miss Franzen.

...and Filp... and Kron :lol::lol:

I hear what you're saying though. There are multiple scoring opportunities every game that don't go in where I say to myself that Franzen would've scored on. They really need someone to step up and start burying chances. It's so frustrating to watch.

Kyle
12-09-2009, 11:08 PM
...and Filp... and Kron :lol::lol:

I hear what you're saying though. There are multiple scoring opportunities every game that don't go in where I say to myself that Franzen would've scored on. They really need someone to step up and start burying chances. It's so frustrating to watch.


Exactly. Every fucking night Holmstrom and Bertuzzi and Helm make great plays but completely bomb their finishes. Holmstrom's decision to not shoot right in front of Conklin on that first shift would be a goal on Franzen's stick 9/10 times.

Hockeyis#1
12-09-2009, 11:20 PM
Dear Conk,

You played an outstanding game and when you make 42 saves (most of which were quality chances) while under constant pressure, you deserve to win the game. I'm sorry we didn't resign you.

Sincerely,

Hockeyis#1

Kyle
12-10-2009, 02:11 AM
Dear Conk,

You played an outstanding game and when you make 42 saves (most of which were quality chances) while under constant pressure, you deserve to win the game. I'm sorry we didn't resign you.

Sincerely,

Hockeyis#1

He was fantastic for us last year.

But, in Howard's defense, he also played really well tonight.

Chilly_Willy
12-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Down goes Cleary (shoulder) it just gets worse and worse. We are last years dallas stars.

Kyle
12-11-2009, 10:15 PM
BERTUZZI!!!!!

Fucking amazing game by Bertuzzi. I almost wanted to cry for him. Dude has easily been a top 3 forward for us all year and just hasn't been able to bury the amazing chances he constantly makes for himself.

Bertuzzi gets the game tying goal midway through the third and a beautiiful overtime game winner.

I swear, it feels like Detroit has scored first less than five times this entire year. They are always playing from behind, its really frustrating.

Amazing day for Stuart and Holmstrom today too.

Datsyuk missed a wide open net with 5 seconds left of the 3rd but the puck was a bit wild. Then he broke two sticks in 20 seconds to start overtime and sat in frustration. Just a random blurt I thought some might be interested in knowing. He seemed a bit off.

a0102030405
12-11-2009, 11:01 PM
He seemed a bit off.

other then the production, not much is different.

He did everything he could to get a goal and keep the puck in the offensive zone in the last few plays, might be time to get a new stick manufacturer though.

wish the wings could play a full game like they did in the 3rd.

eykwingnut
12-11-2009, 11:17 PM
roof job baby! big berrrrrt!

Kyle
12-12-2009, 02:31 PM
The more I look at that goal the more it amazes me. What a perfect shot, the nicest I've ever seen out of Bert.

I find it hilarious that we've killed 25 or 26 penalties in a row now and are still ranked 18th with barely 80%. I don't want to know what the number was before this hot streak.

And is it just me or do we look worse vs Anahiem than against ANY other team in the league? We obviously have lots of top players injured (Franzed particularly handles Anahiem well), but ever since the conferrence finals in 06, its just seemed like they always have a perfect counter gameplan for our puck posession game and every win we get against them is a massive struggle where we get pushed around like rag dolls the whole way through.

On that note, Perry is a bigger pussywhipped scumbag than I gave him credit for (And I gave him lots of credit for that already). I have NEVER seen him say a word to Stuart or Kronwall. Historically hes picked fights with the likes of Datsyuk. Last night he decides to headhunt Abdelkader. Yeah, you're a big strong man now, you cocky fuck.

Getzlaf too has some odd misplaced burning hatred for the Wings which I find hilarious because the Wings don't think shit of him (Not that he isn't a great player but there is no hatred for Getzlaf in Detroit). Thankfully he let his passion result in both of our powerplay goals, with two third period penalties, one in his offensive zone. Keep hating and costing your team the game, Getzlaf.

MrScientist
12-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Actually, Perry turned his back on an Abdelkader hit. It's open ice douche bag, he's not gonna not finish. This clearly twisted Corey's g-string just one too many twists, as he got up and grabbed Abdelkader, who got taken down, but landed two or three shots from his ass :lol:

MrScientist
12-12-2009, 10:35 PM
What a perfect time for that big bastard to come alive!

Kyle
12-13-2009, 04:58 AM
BERTUZZIIIIIIII!!!! About fucking time!

Dude has been playing this good all year. Hes been fantastic game in and game out and just hasn't been able to finish his great plays all year. Now thas all the sudden changed and the result is we see hes still got lots of flashes of brilliance left in him.

I can't say I told you so because I didn't say anything when Bert was signed, but I'll say I've never been one of his critics through either of his trips through the Detroit and have always just patiently sat back and hoped he'd find some of his old magic. So from that perspective, you want to cry when you see all the chances that Bert has failed to capatalize on this year and how frustrating it is. So its nice to finally see them go in, God knows his confidence needed the boost.

Big Bert, 4 goals in 25 hours!

Hockeyis#1
12-14-2009, 01:54 PM
I've always thought that Bertuzzi still had some magic in those skates, although after his season in Anaheim I figured I was wrong. Either way.....Bertuzzi certainly capitalized big time and I hope he can continue to find some flashes of brilliance.

Kyle
12-14-2009, 08:57 PM
Howard's numbers are actually great so far and Osgood has turned it around a good bit also and holds pretty solid numbers himself. I'm not worried about goaltending anymore.

Spartan
12-14-2009, 09:03 PM
At what point does the organization save money by just playing home games in Grand Rapids?

Chilly_Willy
12-14-2009, 10:45 PM
Hopefully a little of that Joe Louis magic is working on Bert. He has a ton of talent just been a while since it has been unleashed. If he can stay consistant the wings collection of power forwards is pretty nice indeed.

a0102030405
12-15-2009, 12:25 AM
Big E down now, as well as Helm.

New List:

Franzen
Flip
Williams
Lilja
Helm
Cleary
Big E
Kronwall


worried about the number of injuries, but come playoff time this team is gonna kick ass.

chgorman
12-15-2009, 07:16 AM
Pretty sad state of affairs when we gotta be relying on Leafs' cast-offs in order to ice a full team and get us through the season :lol:

Cornholio
12-16-2009, 03:07 PM
That's amazing, the Wings won 3-2, Newbury, Meech and Eaves scored, Datsyuk was a -2!!!

Kyle
12-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Lets make that 4 straight baby. Howard with his first career shutout. Bertuzzi with another goal.

chgorman
12-17-2009, 11:14 PM
Solid win. Lets just hope Zetts is okay. What are they up to now? 9 guys out including Lilja if Zetts misses any time? Ridiculous. Still finding a way to win though.

Def helps when the PK is phenominal and the goalie is playing well. If the PK isn't tops in the league, it's gotta be damn close.

Looks like Eaves and Miller are turning out to be a couple solid acquisitions along with Bert. Kenny H strikes again!

Kyle
12-17-2009, 11:17 PM
I find it hilarious that we've killed 25 or 26 penalties in a row now and are still ranked 18th with barely 80%. I don't want to know what the number was before this hot streak


Quoting myself from a few posts ago.

Since that post we've risen farther to 14th. The reason we're not anywhere near the top is because we had an absolutely embarassing start to the season on the PK. But over the last month or so we've easily been the best PK, probably by a longshot.

a0102030405
12-17-2009, 11:30 PM
fucking shit. Our best player is gone. The only thing left is for Datsyuk to be thrown into Howard by Chara and both land on the IR, then all of Detroit's starters are gone and they become the Detroit Grand Rapids.


They keep winning so I should be happy, but fuck these injuries are pissing me off.

MrScientist
12-17-2009, 11:50 PM
Zetterberg got wrecked right in front of me...he wasn't looking, and I wouldn't be surprised if he separated his shoulder.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
12-18-2009, 06:23 AM
The West is incredible this season. Not sure there is a single team in the W who is under 500 right now.

chgorman
12-18-2009, 07:18 AM
Zetterberg got wrecked right in front of me...he wasn't looking, and I wouldn't be surprised if he separated his shoulder.

According to the CBS player update posted on Zetts after last night's game, he was able to drive himself to the hospital after the game to get an MRI, so that's good, I guess. No word yet on the results of the MRI that I'm aware of.

Kyle
12-18-2009, 09:20 AM
The West is incredible this season. Not sure there is a single team in the W who is under 500 right now.

Only Anahiem at like .480!

eykwingnut
12-18-2009, 11:09 AM
Only Anahiem at like .480!
That's because of their loss last night. Going into last night ever team was at or above .500. That's just crazy.

chgorman
12-18-2009, 12:10 PM
The fact that LA, PHX and COL are all holding playoff spots right now after finishing as 3 bottom teams in the West last yr says a lot about how tough the West is this yr

a0102030405
12-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Big E down now, as well as Helm.

New List:

Franzen
Flip
Williams
Lilja
Helm
Cleary
Big E
Kronwall


worried about the number of injuries, but come playoff time this team is gonna kick ass.

gonna edit the list

Zetterberg
Franzen
Kronwall
Flip
Cleary
Williams
Lilja
Helm
Big E

Jake
12-18-2009, 01:06 PM
Zetts is out at least two weeks with a slight shoulder seperation. Glad it is only around two weeks, I was fearing it would be a lot longer. Clean hit though, cant complain.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AmgvE.9u4zQgevqR1gi5uuR7vLYF?slug=ap-redwings-zetterberg&prov=ap&type=lgns

chgorman
12-18-2009, 01:12 PM
gonna edit the list

Zetterberg - 0 (so far)
Franzen - 31
Kronwall - 13
Flip - 23
Cleary - 4
Williams - 19
Lilja - 34
Helm - 7
Big E - 3



Added in the number of gms missed so far. 134 total so far just with these 9, not counting a few missed by Dats, Raffy, Eaves, etc, not even halfway through the season. Not sure what the record is for man gms lost in one season, but at this rate, wouldn't be at all surprised if the Wings break it this yr.

Kyle
12-18-2009, 01:15 PM
I don't think people (Despite all the hype) really realize just how significant our injuries are.

FOUR of our top 6 skaters (Let me emphasize, 67% of our top 6 forwards) aren't in the lineup right now. Two more from the third line, so make that 67% of our top NINE forwards out of the lineup. Two of those players (Franzen, Zetterberg) are even first liners. Thats about 95-100 minutes of the 180 minutes forwards play in a game that we're missing from our starting lineup.

Add to that one of our top 4 defenseman (Who would be playing as many minutes as the other 3, Stuart, Lidstrom, and Rafalski), who is also our top defenseman in scoring at the time of his injury (Shit, maybe even still) in Kronwall and one of our powerplay quarterbacks. And then the defenseman who was picking up Kronwall's slack in Ericsson (First full NHL season and was playing 20-21 minutes a game), and our 6th defenseman in Lilja (Who would be in our top 4 if he were playing now). Thats about 50 minutes out of the 120 total minutes a game defensemen play that we're missing.

All together its 150 minutes of 300 total that we're missing from our starting lineup every game. I have never in my life even heard of a number so drastic and I don't think any other team in the league is even past 100. Literally half our starting lineup is missing (technically over half but in terms of minutes which is whats most important, its half)

Call me a huge homer, but this team is absolutely in-fucking-credible to not only be hanging on to a playoff spot, but to actually be playing really fantastic hockey (33-28 average shot ratio, 8th ranked GAA). Its a huge credit to the Wing's organization all around. I know its about the most praised organization in sports but seriously, they really deserve special recognition for the job they're doing in salvaging some of the worst injury luck I've ever seen in professional sports.

Can you believe how good this team is going to be (Or could be, depending on if our luck can possibly get worse) when we get even just half our injury list back in the lineup?

I fucking love being a fan of this team.

a0102030405
12-18-2009, 01:38 PM
The good thing about this year, is that all the bandwagon fans will jump off. This team is simply amazing, I was actually thinking about the percentage yesterday and I got 67% as well. When team is healthy, I don't see a big drop off from last year (even accounting for the Hossa loss and the aging of lids).

Holm-Dats-Franzen
bert-Flip-Z

+ Cleary, Helm, Williams, Abs, Leino and Tatar soon.

lids, raffi, kronwall, stuart, big E (still the best 5 D in the league, and if Lilja gets back best 6). Also Kindl coming up in a few years.

not to mention guys like leino, abs, helm getting valuable playing time and experience so they could replace drapes and maltby when they retire.

Chilly_Willy
12-18-2009, 02:25 PM
Its kinda like Dallas last year only Dallas dropped off the map. Detroit is still finding the win column dispite all these injuries. It is really amazing credit to how well the wings build teams. There is no corner stone. We'll have to wait on Zets, a long term without Zets could take this whole thing to a new level.

Cornholio
12-19-2009, 03:55 PM
Helm's back btw.

Kyle
12-19-2009, 03:56 PM
Yup, great news, not one of our more significant injuries but still a great help.

Edit - I hate these games where we dominate long stretches and then let out a weak goal. 2-3 Stars lead at the moment.

Edit - And Dats and Berts respond right away, 3 points each at the end of the second.

Edit - Boo, winning streak over. Not a bad game though.

a0102030405
12-21-2009, 05:54 PM
So helm's back, and getting ALOT of ice time. I mean Datsyuk like ice time. WTF lol? Anywho, flip should be back within a week, and then Kronwall soon after. Team is starting to get healthy :)

chgorman
12-21-2009, 07:41 PM
So helm's back, and getting ALOT of ice time. I mean Datsyuk like ice time. WTF lol? Anywho, flip should be back within a week, and then Kronwall soon after. Team is starting to get healthy :)

That's what happens when injuries knock out 5 of your top 9 fwds, one of them being great defensively and a great PKer, and you happen to be the next best defensive fwd on the team and great on the PK yourself. Somebody's gotta pick up Zetts' minutes.

Helmer is playing great, before and after his injury, I shouldn't complain, but I wish the guy would finish just a little more often. May have mentioned this before... he creates fantastic opportunities for himself 3-4 times per gm with his speed and agility/elusiveness, but always ends up missing the net or shooting it right into the goalie's chest. He needs to sit down with Zetts and learn the finer points of shooting. His accuracy is terrible.

That said, it'll def be nice to get Filp and Kron back. Both should provide a nice boost. Maybe it was just me, but the Wings just looked slow last night. Def not their best effort. Hopefully some healthy bodies can give' em a boost with some fresh energy.

Heard they called up Ritola today. Wonder if he plays Wed....? Newbury sent down.

Kyle
12-21-2009, 07:53 PM
They were really slow last night. Chicago is a way better team than the injury-plagued Wings. A win would've been nice but truthfully I had very low hopes to come out of that road game with any points. Hopefully we can handle them at home.

eykwingnut
12-24-2009, 12:54 AM
Score a damn goal! We've now been shut out 5 times in the last 15 games!

Cornholio
12-24-2009, 06:14 PM
Guys, we've been blessed the past two years, the Wings will be "back" in January / February to catch a PO-spot!

Kyle
12-24-2009, 06:21 PM
Yup, as I said (in either this thread or another one recently), I do not expect us to do much better vs this overstacked Hawks team without our 100% roster. The Hawks are schooling everybody right now, we can't expect to hold our own with half a roster. We'll be OK.

a0102030405
12-24-2009, 07:19 PM
dear santa

all i want for christmas is a healthy zetterberg and franzen.

canuckthug
12-25-2009, 04:10 PM
dear santa

all i want for christmas is a healthy zetterberg and franzen.


What about Lidstrom? One goal. Any complaints from the Red Wing faithful?

Kyle
12-27-2009, 02:18 AM
Unless my memory is fuzzy, that makes 6 of our last 8 goals from Bertuzzi's stick (the 2 back to back 3-2 overtime winners, then we got shutout twice, then two tonight). Great streak from him, we need it.

MrScientist
12-31-2009, 08:22 PM
Datsyuk is back motherfuckers

Cornholio
01-01-2010, 08:52 AM
Yeah, and he seems to be more consistant the last few games!

Kyle
01-01-2010, 07:03 PM
Datsyuk has been back for 3+ weeks now. Don't care what the stats sheet says. Been an absolute monster game in and game out and I'm seeing what I DIDN'T see last year's playoffs which is him creating a scoring chance half the time he touches a puck. Thats what Datsyuk hockey is all about.

He will do fine this year and maybe hit a hot streak to bring it up to a 80+ point season, I think.

MrScientist
01-01-2010, 08:07 PM
All I was referencing was his goal last night. That's his MO.

Hockeyis#1
01-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Pretty good article here (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2010/1/4/1233911/the-sobotka-index#storyjump) on Winging it in Mowtown. Dunno if anyone reads the stuff from there, but I thought it was somewhat insightful and well written....

Kyle
01-05-2010, 01:50 PM
You read that too, eh?

I liked this one particularly: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2010/1/4/1232167/state-of-the-red-wings-midseason

Hockeyis#1
01-05-2010, 07:25 PM
You read that too, eh?

I liked this one particularly: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2010/1/4/1232167/state-of-the-red-wings-midseason
I stop in once in a while to the blogs for my teams from that site. Good stuff IMO

a0102030405
01-06-2010, 11:15 PM
Z and Cleary back, Kronwall not that far off, and Franzen skated today. Yay.


http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/01/henrik_zetterberg_dan_cleary_t.html?utm_source=fee dburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-redwings+%28Detroit+Red+Wings+-+MLive.com%29

Kyle
01-07-2010, 01:39 AM
Wooot! Z and Clearly alone make us go from a 20-30 ranked to a 5-15 ranked offense. Huge huge huge boost that we desperately need right now.

a0102030405
01-07-2010, 06:35 PM
hey guess what, another injury.


http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/01/red_wings_lose_tomas_holmstrom.html

:| any bets on when datsyuk or howard will get injured?

Kyle
01-07-2010, 06:57 PM
Wow, it gets hard to keep hope through that.

chgorman
01-07-2010, 07:15 PM
that's fucked. This team is definitely cursed right now, and has been for almost a yr. All started when Lilly got destroyed by Weber last season right before the playoffs, and it's been going on since. Mind boggling... absolutely mind boggling... could this team have any worse luck this season? (please don't answer that).

MrScientist
01-07-2010, 07:31 PM
that's fucked. This team is definitely cursed right now, and has been for almost a yr. All started when Lilly got destroyed by Weber last season right before the playoffs, and it's been going on since. Mind boggling... absolutely mind boggling... could this team have any worse luck this season? (please don't answer that).

Howard could've been shitty like he was before this season...

Kyle
01-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Thats very true. If the current numbers were stretched across a whole season, Howard is a top 10 goaltender in this league. Thats obviously not so simple a claim but it shows his potential. Hes going to be a stud, if not already.

Cornholio
01-08-2010, 12:30 AM
Sucks bigtime!!!
Holmer is having a great year.
But at least the Wings have Cleary and Z back, so Cleary and Bert can take Holmström's job at his "office".

Kyle
01-08-2010, 12:34 AM
Cleary with a goal.

But wow we're getting so outplayed. 1-0 with 10 minutes left and LA has 48 shots, Howard has stopped them all. This would be such an amazing shutout if he gets it, they have been destroying us ALL game.

eykwingnut
01-08-2010, 01:02 AM
HELM! OMG! Fuck Bertuzzi for taking that stupid ass penalty in the offensive zone, but Darren Helm I love you!

Cornholio
01-08-2010, 01:17 AM
great game by Howard, lucky 2 points, but who cares?

Kyle
01-08-2010, 01:18 AM
Thank God for Helm...fuck what a lucky game.

Dubz
01-09-2010, 01:56 PM
Any word on Holmstrom hitting the IR?

a0102030405
01-09-2010, 02:10 PM
holmstrom is only gone 3 weeks, maybe 4-5 and since they have so many players on IR, they might not bother doing it in a hurry, kinda like the same thing they did with Zetterberg.

Kyle
01-09-2010, 11:57 PM
Amazing game against the Sharks tonight so far. 3-1 in the second and absolutely dominating. Clearly absolutely SNIPED the top corner, glad to have him back and he well outweighs Holmstrom. The Datsyuk line has been deadly. Things are really falling into place.

Cornholio
01-10-2010, 12:54 AM
Helm is hot as hell the past games :D

Kyle
01-10-2010, 03:57 AM
Helm scores 3 goals in 55 games to start his career and 5 goals in 5 games since. I don't think this is a fluke. We've all been seeing the opportunities hes had all year but he just never finished. Now long time practice with Datsyuk and others has clearly started to transfer into SOME finishing abilitiy (The way he shifted the puck to his forehand instead of just sliding that pick into Nabby like he normally would've was a really smart heads up play), and hes learning to calm down a little bit at the end of these adrenaline rushes and focus. I think hes going to keep improving and I now have realistic hopes that could be our next big time scorer (Which by Detroit's standards is 30+ goals, not that he can get that this year, but from next year on I think thats a realistic number).

I think hes too fresh to the league to use his past against him. He had to learn some things and now he clearly has. I think the last 5 games are MUCH more indicative of how the rest of his career will look than the first 55. Helm has a very very bright future.

Cornholio
01-10-2010, 09:29 AM
Just picked him up tonight in a league, I also think he as learned a lot and profitted the most of all Wings-players from all the injuries!! :)

chgorman
01-10-2010, 10:29 AM
Nice! Love seein' the Wings give SJ the business, in their own building no less. Great gm! Jimmy H is the MAN!

a0102030405
01-10-2010, 11:20 AM
pretty good game all around, but I would love to see the top line click more often, too often this season they look fantastic but just don't score.

Add to this team, Franzen, Kronwall, Ericsson, and then Holmstrom and J-Willy on the PP. :D

Hockeyis#1
01-10-2010, 02:49 PM
Jimmy Howard looking strong....tis a good sign

a0102030405
01-12-2010, 10:00 PM
wings. :(

chgorman
01-12-2010, 10:10 PM
Poor show tonight. Pathetic effort. 16 shots? only 9 after 2 periods? WTF?