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chgorman
07-02-2008, 01:37 PM
The wife has been effing the dog at work today and found this on the 'net, sent it to me. Didn't say where it came from, but it gave me a chuckle, so figured I'd post it.... I'm guessing it came from a Toronto area paper/news outlet, although I really have no idea TBH:

"This just in: The NHL has just announced a long term deal that gives the Detroit Red Wings exclusive rights to the Stanley Cup for the 2008-2009 season, with a possible extension clause for the 2009-2010 season. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman is quoted as being "delighted with the new arrangement " and noting "with this deal, the NHL is one step closer to ensuring parity among the existing 30 teams". "It really goes to show you that good things happen to good organizations - we're thrilled to have Stanley back next year, with him in our corner I'm confident we'll win it all again next year" said Detroit Red Wings VP Steve Yzerman, expressing his thoughts over the new deal.

On a more serious note I like that Hossa only signed for one year - that gives both sides the option to see if it's a really good fit. As a Colorado fan I can only take off my hat to a once hated foe and applaud the team that Detroit consistently puts out on the ice. The Red Wings are the kind of team that Maple Leaf fans can only dream of - and will continue to dream of until they are no longer owned by the Ontario teachers..."

chgorman
07-02-2008, 01:43 PM
Do you guys think Hossa will consistently be on a line with Dats and Zetts? Or will he headline the second line with a guy like Filppula? I ask 'cause i have him in a keeper and I'm still not sure where this puts his value for next year. Obviously the PP will be deadly but where will Hossa land in 5 on 5 play?

I'm guessing the lines look something like this:

Hossa/Dats/Homer
Franzen/Zetts/one of Cleary/Sammy/Hudler, maybe Filp, although he's a LW/C, same as Franzen, so maybe not.

...and then the rest.

TBH, I don't think you'll see all three together very often. Doesn't make sense to have them all on the same line ES, and even less sense on the PP. Homer and Franzen are both front-of-the-net specialists, so I'm pretty sure one will be on PP1, the other on PP2, leaving the other 4 fwd positions on PP1 and 2 to Hossa, Dats, Zetts and Cleary or Hudler, possibly Filp I guess.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-02-2008, 01:45 PM
Isn't anybody worried about what Hossa shows up in Detroit? The one who was absent half the regular season last year and suffered playoff flop after playoff flop or the one who came alive down the stretch and had a great playoffs while playing in the eastern conference along side Sidney Crosby?

Either way it's a risky move by Marian Hossa in regards to a worse case scenario going down where he got seriously injured (blown out knee for instance) and blew his shot at a big long term deal but eff that, it's a very solid and what we are used to seeing great move by Detroit, easily the best management in the entire league. It makes me literally fucking sick to my stomach. I can't believe I have to sit through another year of this crap. I may just have to boycott HI, or at the very least put 1/3 of you Redwings fans on ignore for the next year and avoid watching Hockey in the Western Conference entirely next season.. you know, just to save myself a few headaches :p

Losing Hossa doesn't hurt so much at all but losing him to the team that ousted my Sharks a season ago and dominated my beloved Penguins in the STF this season is like a crooked dagger to the heart. It really makes me question why I put so much emotional stock into sports and the things that I can not control.

WinnipegWingnut
07-02-2008, 02:03 PM
Isn't anybody worried about what Hossa shows up in Detroit? The one who was absent half the regular season last year and suffered playoff flop after playoff flop or the one who came alive down the stretch and had a great playoffs while playing in the eastern conference along side Sidney Crosby?

Either way it's a risky move by Marian Hossa in regards to a worse case scenario going down where he got seriously injured (blown out knee for instance) and blew his shot at a big long term deal but eff that, it's a very solid and what we are used to seeing great move by Detroit, easily the best management in the entire league. It makes me literally fucking sick to my stomach. I can't believe I have to sit through another year of this crap. I may just have to boycott HI, or at the very least put 1/3 of you Redwings fans on ignore for the next year and avoid watching Hockey in the Western Conference entirely next season.. you know, just to save myself a few headaches :p

Losing Hossa doesn't hurt so much at all but losing him to the team that ousted my Sharks a season ago and dominated my beloved Penguins in the STF this season is like a crooked dagger to the heart. It really makes me question why I put so much emotional stock into sports and the things that I can not control.

You could always pull a Hossa and become a Wings fan??? :evilgrin::D

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-02-2008, 02:09 PM
You could always pull a Hossa and become a Wings fan??? :evilgrin::D

I would rather have my pubic area infested with the fleas of a 1000 camels!

:heart:

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:10 PM
Isn't anybody worried about what Hossa shows up in Detroit? The one who was absent half the regular season last year and suffered playoff flop after playoff flop or the one who came alive down the stretch and had a great playoffs while playing in the eastern conference along side Sidney Crosby?

Not to make excuses, but aside from the injury issues last season, he was playing with a bunch of jokes on arguably - skill-wise - the worst team in the league last year (I know LA and TB finished below them in the standings, but talent-wise, ATL was the worst IMO). He proved he's not a playoff flop in this year's playoffs. Yeah, maybe he won't be alongside Sid, but Dats and/or Zetts aren;t exactly a huge step down.

There's so much charisma, professioanlism and leadership in the room and in the front office, I don't think they'll let Hossa slide. To me, it's a VERY similar situation to what he had in PIT, where he obviously excelled. He'll be a star, but he won't be THE star, or even the '2nd' or '3rd' star (for lack of a better term). He'll be behind Lids, Dats and Zetts, similar to the Cros/Malkin situation in PIT, so he won't have nearly as much pressure on him as if he were to go back to being the go-to guy in ATL (with Kovalchuk), or signing with MTL or TOR, where he'd be the unquestioned top player on the team, and thus would have to carry a ton of pressure and responsibility.

I'm really not worried. The guy will be playing his ASS off in order to cash in big time next year. Anything can happen, for sure, we say that all the time, but I don't see the front office, the leadership in the dressing room, or Hossa himself for that matter, allowing him play anything but his best. If he does play his best - a career year and long playoff run is a virtual lock, if not the cup, then he signs for big $$ elsewhere next year. At worst, he has a lousy season, drives his price down, the Wings offload him at the deadline for help elsewhere, or resign him for much cheaper after the lousy season, or let him walk and he signs with somebody else. The Wings are good enough to overcome a lousy season from Hossa, and it's not like they lost anything in the deal, so no matter what happens, I can't really see how the Wings could end up worse off after making this deal than they were before, seeing as they didn't have to give anything up. If they had to give Dats/Zetts/Franzen/Kron/a bunch of prospects up to make it happen, then yeah, this deal could hurt longer term, but they didn't, so it won't.

The ONLY detriment I could see is if he becomes an absolute cancer in the lockerrooom and causes a ton of internal strife, but as I said earlier, I don't see the veteran leadership in the room letting that happen. I mean, what is Hossa gonna complain about while he's putting up career numbers? I think guys like Lids, Cheli, Drapes, Maltby, etc, - even Stevie Y if necessary - won't have any problem putting Hossa in his place if his attitude, behavious and actions warrant it.

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Okay, so now that's done, let's go sign Sundin to a one year deal too.

I know I'm dreaming, and it'd push people I like so much out of the lineup, but still. I think it would be so much fun. You could have all of your top 6 forwards being just about all all-stars.

Couldn't be more than a one year deal really, though, because I'd rather have Zetterberg signed long term than either Hossa OR Sardine.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Okay, so now that's done, let's go sign Sundin to a one year deal too.

I know I'm dreaming, and it'd push people I like so much out of the lineup, but still. I think it would be so much fun. You could have all of your top 6 forwards being just about all all-stars.

Couldn't be more than a one year deal really, though, because I'd rather have Zetterberg signed long term than either Hossa OR Sardine.

Same thing I said to WinnipegNut in an earlier post (different thread I think)... don't be greedy now.

You're right, would be fun to see, a la the HOF team of the early 2000's, however, money issues aside (I doubt Mats goes for anything less than 7), I'm not sure he'd be happy playing 2nd/3rd line C and 2nd PP. Plus, if they somehow manage to sign Mats, that would leave them no wiggle room whatsoever when it comes to the cap, which is not smart.

Would it fun to watch? Without a doubt. Is it necessary? Not at all. Would it be smart? Hell no.

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:29 PM
Same thing I said to WinnipegNut in an earlier post (different thread I think)... don't be greedy now.

You're right, would be fun to see, a la the HOF team of the early 2000's, however, money issues aside (I doubt Mats goes for anything less than 7), I'm not sure he'd be happy playing 2nd/3rd line C and 2nd PP. Plus, if they somehow manage to sign Mats, that would leave them no wiggle room whatsoever when it comes to the cap, which is not smart.

Would it fun to watch? Without a doubt. Is it necessary? Not at all. Would it be smart? Hell no.


The only way I'd want them to sign him is if they sign him pretty cheap (6 - 7 maybe). If he signs, he obviously would have to understand he'd be 2nd line C (or 1a 1b type situation.) If he really does want a cup, this is his best option.

As long as it's a one year deal, having no real wiggle room isn't that big of a deal for this one year. After this year both Sundin and Hossa would leave and we could resign Zetts.

WinnipegWingnut
07-02-2008, 02:35 PM
The only way I'd want them to sign him is if they sign him pretty cheap (6 - 7 maybe).

After the Hossa deal we have just over 4M of cap space to play with, so 6-7 wont be happening.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-02-2008, 02:36 PM
oh my god -- are you kidding me? the last thing Detroit needs is a guy like Mats Sundin. Fucking unbelievable. :lol:

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:36 PM
After the Hossa deal we have just over 4M of cap space to play with, so 6-7 wont be happening.


Weird, for some reason I thought it was much more than that.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:38 PM
The only way I'd want them to sign him is if they sign him pretty cheap (6 - 7 maybe). If he signs, he obviously would have to understand he'd be 2nd line C (or 1a 1b type situation.) If he really does want a cup, this is his best option.

As long as it's a one year deal, having no real wiggle room isn't that big of a deal for this one year. After this year both Sundin and Hossa would leave and we could resign Zetts.

It is if they get a bunch of injuries and/or nonperformers and have to sign/trade for somebody at the deadline. I think you're simplifying it a little too much. Every team tries to carry space under the cap in case of emergency. If the Wings didn't because they signed a completely unneccessary Sundin, I think they might be making a mistake. And even at 6 or 7 for the year, they still couldn't fit him under the cap. don't forget, they still have to re-sign Filp. I'd much rather have him around for 3, 5, 7, however many years to come, than a completely unneccessary Sundin for 1.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:41 PM
After the Hossa deal we have just over 4M of cap space to play with...

...and still need to re-sign Filp....


so 6-7 wont be happening.

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:43 PM
It is if they get a bunch of injuries and/or nonperformers and have to sign/trade for somebody at the deadline. I think you're simplifying it a little too much. Every team tries to carry space under the cap in case of emergency. If the Wings didn't because they signed a completely unneccessary Sundin, I think they might be making a mistake. And even at 6 or 7 for the year, they still couldn't fit him under the cap. don't forget, they still have to re-sign Filp. I'd much rather have him around for 3, 5, 7, however many years to come, than a completely unneccessary Sundin for 1.

100% agreed with Filp.

Just living in a fantasy world I guess. It would be so hilarious to see all those players on one team. Plus, as you said, if someone does go down it's always good to have the option to get someone at the deadline.

Speaking of which, how much are they going to be giving Filp, anyway? 2 or 3 or so or?

WinnipegWingnut
07-02-2008, 02:44 PM
100% agreed with Filp.

Just living in a fantasy world I guess. It would be so hilarious to see all those players on one team. Plus, as you said, if someone does go down it's always good to have the option to get someone at the deadline.

Speaking of which, how much are they going to be giving Filp, anyway? 2 or 3 or so or?

I can't see Flip getting more than 3M a year, but look at what Olesz got I guess.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:44 PM
Weird, for some reason I thought it was much more than that.

Nope, we were at about 40 mil going into the FA period. 7.5 for Hossa + 3.5 for Stuart + pocket change for Conklin + some $$ for resigning Lilly + Filp's inevitable re-signing = no dinero left for Mats unless he's willing to play for free, and I'm not sure the PA would be too happy with that.

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:46 PM
Nope, we were at about 40 mil going into the FA period. 7.5 for Hossa + 3.5 for Stuart + pocket change for Conklin + some $$ for resigning Lilly + Filp's inevitable re-signing = no dinero left for Mats unless he's willing to play for free, and I'm not sure the PA would be too happy with that.


Mm. Sign a 1 dollar contract.


All hell would break loose, I'm sure.

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who thinks 3.5 for Stuart was a bit pricey? He's a good D-man for sure, but yeesh.

WinnipegWingnut
07-02-2008, 02:49 PM
EDIT: Also, am I the only one who thinks 3.5 for Stuart was a bit pricey? He's a good D-man for sure, but yeesh.

It might be a tad high, but don't let the pts he gets fool you, he's a defensive d-man.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:50 PM
I can't see Flip getting more than 3M a year, but look at what Olesz got I guess.

If he gets any more than 3, than they're overapying big time IMO. Ig uess you could look at Olesz, but I don't think Kenny looks at other orgs' moves too much, otherwise his moves would probably look just as bad, but they never do. For what he's done, Filp deserves no more than about 2.5. They'd never pay Filp more than Zetts, given that Filp hasn;t done a fraction of what Zetts has over the past few yrs, and Zetts is going to make 2.9 this year, so you can bet Filp will probably be somewhere around 1.5-2.5 until he can prove he's a consitant performer and can put up better stats than he has.

DarkValiant
07-02-2008, 02:50 PM
It might be a tad high, but don't let the pts he gets fool you, he's a defensive d-man.


Yeah, I know. At the same time though, I guess that's what D-men are getting these days. Hell, even Finger got 3.5 was it?

Hamsterkill
07-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Mm. Sign a 1 dollar contract.


All hell would break loose, I'm sure.

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who thinks 3.5 for Stuart was a bit pricey? He's a good D-man for sure, but yeesh.

Finger making the same amount as Stuart? You got a heck of a deal there relatively speaking.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 02:54 PM
Mm. Sign a 1 dollar contract.


All hell would break loose, I'm sure.

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who thinks 3.5 for Stuart was a bit pricey? He's a good D-man for sure, but yeesh.

As long he bears some resemblance to the way he played in these past playoffs, I think 3.5 (it's actually 3.75, my bad for saying 3.5 earlier) is more than fair. If he reverts back to the way he played in BOS/CGY/LA, then yeah, that'll be a bit much for him, but as long as continues to be a wrecking ball out there and play solid defensively, contribute a point or two every once in a while, I have no problem with his contract. It basically ensures that we'll have the best D in the league for at least the next few yrs (assuming he does those things I mentioned earlier, which isn't a guarantee by any means)

Spartan
07-02-2008, 03:29 PM
If they left some room left on the cap they could still sign a retired Sundin at the deadline for a deferred price like Forsberg this year. Just throwing that out there.

Jake
07-02-2008, 05:03 PM
I WISH I COULD WATCH CROSBY CRY OVER THE WINGS..... AGAIN!!!!!!! We were so excited at work when 97.1 had breakind news and announced it. Wow

suckerpuncher
07-02-2008, 07:34 PM
That's a great signing and marks a big step towards defending the Cup.


But deep in the back of my mind is still all the talk about Tigers at the begin of the season and we know how that turned out so far.
But I'm confident that won't be the case this time. Lightning doesn't strike the same owner twice, does it? :lol:

Gern Blansten
07-02-2008, 08:32 PM
Okay, so now that's done, let's go sign Sundin to a one year deal too.

I know I'm dreaming, and it'd push people I like so much out of the lineup, but still. I think it would be so much fun. You could have all of your top 6 forwards being just about all all-stars.

Couldn't be more than a one year deal really, though, because I'd rather have Zetterberg signed long term than either Hossa OR Sardine.

Sorry to jump in on your thread, but no way does Detroit bring in Sundin. Think about the role he played in TOR. Lead by example, rock solid Captian. Kinda like Lidstrom Methinks after Holland tells Hossa he could ONLY offer $7.45m because he promised Lidstrom he'd be the highest paid player on the team, there's NO WAY they'd bring him in. Much like in Pitts, Hossa will be a role player. With a 1 year contract everybody knows what the score is and who's going to around for the duration. Sundin either takes the colossal bucks in Van or retires (just my .02c). Detroit will just be huge this season. Lots of fun to watch.

Here's a question for you all: How does Hossa deal with the Western Conference style of play? 80, 90, 100+ pts?

bplax_mooky
07-02-2008, 08:36 PM
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I swear, this is about as likely a repeat as Mario's Penguins or Gretzky's Oilers. Fucking ridiculously good signing with Hossa that has him out of the franchise exactly when we will no longer be able to afford him. Thats just not fair to the rest of the NHL, he wouldn't have signed for 7.4 for any other team I don't think.

Um, as for Hossa not being smart, are you smart?! The man just gave himself the best shot at winning a cup he wil have in his career probably. Ooo, he took 7.4 instead of the 8+ a lot of teams offered, big deal. You really think these guys with more money than they could possibly ever plan to spend freak out about a million dollars in return for a very good shot at a cup?

This could potentially be a horrible move by Hossa... what if he has a career ending injury this season. He just screwed himself out of $30+ million.

That being said, it looks like Detroit is a lock to win the cup this year. They didn't really lose anybody of importance and added one of the best plpayers available.

As a pens fan, I would love it if the pens and wings met in the final again this season and the pens won. Just to rub it in Hossa's face.

I apologize if any of the above was already said, I didn't have time to read through all of the posts.

But yes, that was a very good signing by Detroit. You guys are lucky to have him.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 09:07 PM
This could potentially be a horrible move by Hossa... what if he has a career ending injury this season. He just screwed himself out of $30+ million.

That being said, it looks like Detroit is a lock to win the cup this year. They didn't really lose anybody of importance and added one of the best plpayers available.

As a pens fan, I would love it if the pens and wings met in the final again this season and the pens won. Just to rub it in Hossa's face.

I apologize if any of the above was already said, I didn't have time to read through all of the posts.

But yes, that was a very good signing by Detroit. You guys are lucky to have him.

He could, but it's not likely. It's much more likely that he has a career season, gets a Cup on his resume, and instead of getting 8 or 9 mil/yr this year for the next 6-8 yrs, he takes a small hit in the pocketbook in order to get a ring on his finger and a cup on his resume, and get 10 mil as a UFA next year for 6-8 yrs, thus more than making up for any money he may lose this year by 'only' signing for 7.4 for 'only' one year. He's basically taking a very small short term hit in order to achieve a much larger long term gain.

... or maybe he just really wants to win a cup simply for the sake of winning one (regardless of future salary implications), and feels DET gives him the best chance to do that. However I kinda doubt his intentions are that 'pure', for lack of a better term.

Hamsterkill
07-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Career year or not will depend on his ice time and adjustment to Detroit's system. And he already had offers of $10m/yr this year I thought, so... and while the Wings may be the Cup favorite right now, I wouldn't go around acting like you already defended your title successfully.

Kyle
07-02-2008, 09:34 PM
I wouldn't say hes acted that way at all. All anybody has said (With excited exaggerations aside, seeing as this is big news) is that he has given himself the best chance to win a cup. Is that not reality?

chgorman
07-02-2008, 09:38 PM
I wouldn't say hes acted that way at all. All anybody has said (With excited exaggerations aside, seeing as this is big news) is that he has given himself the best chance to win a cup. Is that not reality?

:werd: Thx Kyle.

Hamsterkill
07-02-2008, 09:39 PM
I wouldn't say hes acted that way at all. All anybody has said (With excited exaggerations aside, seeing as this is big news) is that he has given himself the best chance to win a cup. Is that not reality?

Most of his argument here is based on winning the Cup. And the highlighted phrases seem a tad overconfident to me.


He could, but it's not likely. It's much more likely that he has a career season, gets a Cup on his resume, and instead of getting 8 or 9 mil/yr this year for the next 6-8 yrs, he takes a small hit in the pocketbook in order to get a ring on his finger and a cup on his resume, and get 10 mil as a UFA next year for 6-8 yrs, thus more than making up for any money he may lose this year by 'only' signing for 7.4 for 'only' one year. He's basically taking a very small short term hit in order to achieve a much larger long term gain.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 09:47 PM
Most of his argument here is based on winning the Cup. And the highlighted phrases seem a tad overconfident to me.

Okay, fair enough. You got me. My comments were sorta a best case scenario kinda deal, which although possibly unrealitic, may not be as unrealistic as some may think. Regardless, I shoulda specified that and been more clear.

However, even if he doesn't win a cup or put up carerr numbers, he's not much worse off - if any - going into next year than he is now. He has more to gain by taking this deal now and working towards a better deal next year and for years in the future than he does by taking the 'safe' longer term deal from another team.

edit: but for the record, all I said was it was much more likely that he has a career year and gets a cup than it is that he sustains a career ending injury and misses out on huge long term contract $$ (in response to the earlier poster's comments. So there is some context there that should be recognized before you start calling me overconfident. I never said they'd win the cup, just that theres a more likely chance that they do that than there is off Hossa sustaining a career threatening injury.

Hamsterkill
07-02-2008, 09:53 PM
edit: but for the record, all I said was it was much more likely that he has a career year and gets a cup than it is that he sustains a career ending injury and misses out on huge long term contract $$ (in response to the earlier poster's comments. So there is some context there that should be recognized before you start calling me overconfident. I never said they'd win the cup, just that theres a more likely chance that they do that than there is off Hossa sustaining a career threatening injury.

Okay then. My mistake.

chgorman
07-02-2008, 10:04 PM
Okay then. My mistake.

No worries. My view may turn out to be completely unrealistic, in which case I'll rightfully feel like a fool, but all I'm seeing/hearing on t.v., various msg boards and websites is "oh man, Hossa is crazy for taking this offer" or "he's leaving 60 mil on the table, WTF?!?!" and "What an idiot, what is he thinking?!?" kind of thing, so I'm trying to rationalize why he would take this deal over others, and this is what I came up with. I probably overstated it a bit or made it sound like I'm being overconfident (being a known Wigs fan and all), but why else would he make this deal if there was so much more on offer elsewhere... unless the 'experts' are right and he is a complete idiot for taking the deal, but I don't think his agent would let him take a deal unless he felt it had Hossa'a best interests in mind... then again, maybe the agent has no say... I'm talking myself in circles here, so I'm gonna stop now.

tets
07-03-2008, 09:10 AM
When signing a contract, no one is thinking what if I get seriously injured next season. That would be retarded. He simply wants to win the cup badly, looked at his options and figured Detroit gave him the best chance. He's gonna have the same or better offers next season, so like someone said earlier, why wouldnt he take a pay cut of a couple mill....if it means he has a better chance of winning a cup.
How much money do these guys really need??
I know if I was playing and made millions and millions of dollars I would take a lil pay cut to play for a top nhl team every year.....but that could be just me I guess

Spartan
07-03-2008, 09:27 AM
When signing a contract, no one is thinking what if I get seriously injured next season. That would be retarded. He simply wants to win the cup badly, looked at his options and figured Detroit gave him the best chance. He's gonna have the same or better offers next season, so like someone said earlier, why wouldnt he take a pay cut of a couple mill....if it means he has a better chance of winning a cup.
How much money do these guys really need??
I know if I was playing and made millions and millions of dollars I would take a lil pay cut to play for a top nhl team every year.....but that could be just me I guess


I can respect the fact players want to win. But understand he is taking a calculated risk. NHL contracts are paid in full as long as you don't retire. As Wings fans we know what can happen (Konstantinov, Fischer) plus the fact that hockey is a sport where your next shift could be your last. Both Konstantinov and Fischer are out of money from their playing days. Fischer makes a living from a position from the organization. Konstantinov is far more tragic surviving off of charities and legal restitution.

Hossa is unique in that he has already made quite a sum and is seeking a title. But keep in mind at 29 years old if his career would end his prospects at another career would not compare to his player salary. The NHL has no major pension or healthcare program. It takes a lot of money to care for one's self for 50 years including care at the end of life. A freak accident similar to Vladdy's would absolutely break the guy, he would wish he had the 42 million he left on the table.

tets
07-03-2008, 09:59 AM
I can respect the fact players want to win. But understand he is taking a calculated risk. NHL contracts are paid in full as long as you don't retire. As Wings fans we know what can happen (Konstantinov, Fischer) plus the fact that hockey is a sport where your next shift could be your last. Both Konstantinov and Fischer are out of money from their playing days. Fischer makes a living from a position from the organization. Konstantinov is far more tragic surviving off of charities and legal restitution.

Hossa is unique in that he has already made quite a sum and is seeking a title. But keep in mind at 29 years old if his career would end his prospects at another career would not compare to his player salary. The NHL has no major pension or healthcare program. It takes a lot of money to care for one's self for 50 years including care at the end of life. A freak accident similar to Vladdy's would absolutely break the guy, he would wish he had the 42 million he left on the table.

I understand what your saying...and that makes sense but for the money he's already made in his career, unless he just throws it away on useless crap...he should have enough in the bank to last the rest of his life.

Im just saying that you wouldnt consider the chance of having a career ending injury when deciding on a contract for a year. The chances are way better to have him get offers of more money with a long term contract next yr then it is of him injurying himself. If he was worrying about getting hurt then thats like almost asking for it to happen.

Roy Hinske
07-03-2008, 01:37 PM
What I was saying in the other thread was based on the fact that I don't think he'll be a great part of the wings next year. Hossa seems to be the kind of guy ( and mind you I haven't watched a lot of him) who'll sit back if the job is getting done and let others dominate the play. In Det. they have a lot of people to get the job done so I'm thinking he'll be a fringe player. I don't see that helping him next year. In Edmonton he would be a vetran who would have to step up and get it done which makes him more valuable. Also depending on FAs next year will he be so highly sought after??

chgorman
07-03-2008, 01:44 PM
What I was saying in the other thread was based on the fact that I don't think he'll be a great part of the wings next year. Hossa seems to be the kind of guy ( and mind you I haven't watched a lot of him) who'll sit back if the job is getting done and let others dominate the play. In Det. they have a lot of people to get the job done so I'm thinking he'll be a fringe player. I don't see that helping him next year. In Edmonton he would be a vetran who would have to step up and get it done which makes him more valuable. Also depending on FAs next year will he be so highly sought after??

See, I've heard the opposite of Hossa i.e. he seems to play better when he's NOT top dog and is a little more on the periphery, and somebody else has the pressure on them to perform and be the top guy on the team, while he sits sorta 2nd or 3rd in the pecking order (sorta like the situation was in PIT) and doesn't have quite so much pressure or expectation on/of him to be a leader. I think somebody was saying it on TSN last night (although I can't remember exactly who it was). I'd be pretty surprised if he's not successful in DET, however god knows many much stranger things have happened.

As for next year's FA crop - TBH, I have no idea who is going to be eligible/available next year, but unless Crosby, Malkin, AO, Lecav, Thornton, Dats, Zetts, Allfy, Spezza, Heatley and Kovalchuk are all UFA's (and they're not, not most of 'em, anyway) and/or Hossa has an absolutely horrible year, you can be pretty sure he'll be one of the top 3 players available next year and should be able to cash in pretty handily and make at least as much as he would've made had he signed a long term deal with somebody else this year.

WinnipegWingnut
07-03-2008, 01:51 PM
See, I've heard the opposite of Hossa i.e. he seems to play better when he's NOT top dog and is a little more on the periphery, and somebody else has the pressure on them to perform and be the top guy on the team, while he sits sorta 2nd or 3rd in the pecking order (sorta like the situation was in PIT) and doesn't have quite so much pressure or expectation on/of him to be a leader. I think somebody was saying it on TSN last night (although I can't remember exactly who it was). I'd be pretty surprised if he's not successful in DET, however god knows many much stranger things have happened.

I've heard this as well. I think he'll be similar to when Brett Hull played for us, and wasn't the "go to" guy (with Stevie Y, Shanny, etc there), except of course Hossa has more skill left in him then Brett did when he played for us.

tomcat
07-03-2008, 02:46 PM
I know I'm getting ahead of myself, super overexcited right now, but...

It's concievable that Dats/Zetts/Hossa could sweep the Selke nominations next season... how crazy is that?!??



I was thinking the same thing.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-03-2008, 03:00 PM
I will enjoying watching Detroit not win a cup next season :)

WinnipegWingnut
07-03-2008, 03:02 PM
I will enjoying watching Detroit not win a cup next season :)

Like this year? :D

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Like this year? :D

No not like this year you smart ass. :p

Btw - when is the last time a team went b2b?


edit: doh. Nevermind I just remembered. lol.

WinnipegWingnut
07-03-2008, 03:13 PM
No not like this year you smart ass. :p

Btw - when is the last time a team went b2b?


edit: doh. Nevermind I just remembered. lol.


:lol:... I wont be a smart ass this time :D

chgorman
07-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Btw - when is the last time a team went b2b?

edit: doh. Nevermind I just remembered. lol.

I will Pegger ... Damn straight Sponge! ;):lol:

1158
07-03-2008, 03:24 PM
No not like this year you smart ass. :p

Btw - when is the last time a team went b2b?


edit: doh. Nevermind I just remembered. lol.


Man that made my day. :D

Notice the last 2 teams to go b2b...

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-03-2008, 04:19 PM
damn I really walked straight into that one hahaha :D

Hockeyis#1
07-03-2008, 04:31 PM
I will enjoying watching Detroit not win a cup next season :)

These (http://www.disposamask.com/Blindfolds_s/24.htm?gclid=COXtlIbVpJQCFQObFQodIGGtsw) may come in handy then Bonger....:lol:

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-03-2008, 04:50 PM
These (http://www.disposamask.com/Blindfolds_s/24.htm?gclid=COXtlIbVpJQCFQObFQodIGGtsw) may come in handy then Bonger....:lol:

hahah seriously no matter what happens I have a feeling the last few bits of this thread will be quoted back up on the front pages of this thread sometime next spring ;)

Roy Hinske
07-03-2008, 05:18 PM
What about the Penguins? Will they be ready after a short summer to take another run or will they be fatiqued like other teams have been?

two24four
07-03-2008, 05:20 PM
What about the Penguins? Will they be ready after a short summer to take another run or will they be fatiqued like other teams have been?

I dont think they Pens will have a prob, they are a very young team, I dont think playing longer then most teams will hurt them.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-03-2008, 05:34 PM
What about the Penguins? Will they be ready after a short summer to take another run or will they be fatiqued like other teams have been?

Well no I really don't expect them to be fatigued at all. Those kids are young, and guys like Sid Geno and Fleury will be even more motivated after coming so close. In the east I look at the Pens and Habs to be competing for # 1 and # 2 next season.. and though I do expect Pittsburgh to take a slight step backwards next year I am not counting out another cup run quite yet. I think they'll have a better shot in 2 or 3 years though... but what the fuck do I know, that's just my 2 cents and as we all know, anything can happen :beer:

Kyle
07-03-2008, 06:41 PM
All logic says the Penguins young stars will have no problem with a shorter break. Yet they were incredibily fatigued during at least half the stanley cup finals. So who knows, but it really doesn't mean shit until the playoffs. The Pens will NOT miss the playoffs so worry about wether or not they will be fatigued entering round 1 next spring instead of irrelevant crap like how much energy they'll have to start the season. They're the next biggest sure-in behind the wings.

Back to the Wings, this kind of stuff never gets mentioned but I bet this Hossa deal will send a psychological shockwave across the NHL. The best team in the NHL who were on record setting pace until injuries hurt them in the season and dominated the playoffs to a stanley cup tital doesn't lose a single key player (Or even semi-key!) and gains an arguably top 10 forward in the NHL to add to its 2 top 5 forwards (And arguably the best in the NHL in Zetterberg). Yeah yeah, this is competition and these guys are hyped up and juiced on adrenaline (Among other things, probably!), but I absolutely guarentee you we will be helped even more by the mind games this signing plays with people. I'm not saying teams will bow and let us win games, but it will definitely have affects on some people's performances.

Roy Hinske
07-03-2008, 10:57 PM
Who's worried about irrelavent crap? It was just a comment.:)

Kyle
07-03-2008, 10:59 PM
Came off more rude than I meant it. Was simply emphasizing that regardless if they're fatigued or not, they'll make it in.

Roy Hinske
07-03-2008, 11:01 PM
I know. Just yanking your chain. I'm sure they'll make the playoffs too but the last few runner ups haven't gone far.

Kyle
07-03-2008, 11:10 PM
I think this year's finals was a definitely exception from that rule, no "fluke" element whatsoever.

When you think of it, even the Ducks and Senators were both wonderful for the most part. Until the Senators absolutely broke down as a team for off the ice and injury related reasons, they were almost matching Wing's record pace in the first half. Its no surprise they got eliminated early, as they were a pathetic team who didn't even deserve the playoff spot by that point. The Ducks got ousted surprisingly early but thats just how it goes, they weren't flukes.

We're a long way away from Carolina vs Edmenton, lol.

draft51
07-04-2008, 05:21 PM
anyone hear about the possible offer sheet to filppula, from gillis..? heard it on the radio, over here..

two24four
07-04-2008, 05:59 PM
anyone hear about the possible offer sheet to filppula, from gillis..? heard it on the radio, over here..

Yeah I heard about this as well.

Jake
07-04-2008, 11:20 PM
Filppula ='s young Zetts. Wings fan, don't tell me you can't see it

thelaughingtree
07-05-2008, 03:57 AM
So it looks like the Wings are all set right? No key players lost? I shouldn't feel this way given Ozzys performance last year, but are we tight with goaltending?

We have Ozzy, Conklin & Howard - Am I right? I think Hasek retiring is a fairly significant loss... I think he helped push Ozzy, or rather kept the starting role competitive. The Hossa signing was great, but how much wiggle room does that leave them?

If Ozzy plays more games than last year, will he hold up as well? I'm hoping that he won't go over 45 to 50 games & they rotate in Howard & Conklin for around 20 games or so a piece to keep the position fresh. Will Conklin have another good run like last year & will Howard, who is pretty much untested in the NHL perform up to the task?

I see them weaker in goal this year. The defense could help make up some of the difference, but are we set here? I'm interested i knowing what you all think - If I'm being paronoid or if you think there might be a weakness there.

DarkValiant
07-05-2008, 05:46 AM
So it looks like the Wings are all set right? No key players lost? I shouldn't feel this way given Ozzys performance last year, but are we tight with goaltending?

We have Ozzy, Conklin & Howard - Am I right? I think Hasek retiring is a fairly significant loss... I think he helped push Ozzy, or rather kept the starting role competitive. The Hossa signing was great, but how much wiggle room does that leave them?

If Ozzy plays more games than last year, will he hold up as well? I'm hoping that he won't go over 45 to 50 games & they rotate in Howard & Conklin for around 20 games or so a piece to keep the position fresh. Will Conklin have another good run like last year & will Howard, who is pretty much untested in the NHL perform up to the task?

I see them weaker in goal this year. The defense could help make up some of the difference, but are we set here? I'm interested i knowing what you all think - If I'm being paronoid or if you think there might be a weakness there.

In my opinion they're probably stronger in net this year than last. Hasek has been washed up in my opinion since that whole Ottawa situation. He was just too old and every time a shot came from anywhere on the ice I got nervous about it going in. I have much more faith in Ozzy, Conklin and Howard than I ever did last year in Hasek.

Spartan
07-05-2008, 06:49 AM
This is good analysis of the Filppula situation.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/07/filppulas_agent_no_offer_sheet.html

Also, There is an offer of $850K to Chelios. Downey and McCarty have been offered two way deals.

Roy Hinske
07-05-2008, 12:29 PM
I don't see Ozzy carrying a team for a whole year and I'm still not sold on Conklin long term either. Not a lot of shots each night though.

Kyle
07-05-2008, 06:29 PM
LaughingTree, I apologize in advance for how smotherthing this post will probably sound!

You're just dead wrong dude, and thats all there is to it. The Wings are the only reason Hasek got wins and a good GAA. His save% (A much more significant stat) has been sad as of recent years. Just sad. He was an average goaltender this year at best.

Conklin is at LEAST as good as Hasek last year and more than likely much better (Not much to lose with him and lots to gain). Howard as a 3rd is comfortable as usual. Wings are better than last year, definitely no net issue.

Edit - I will farther emphasize. The Wings not only have the best defense in the NHL (Theres a very slight few other arguments that can be made but I think most would agree they get the nod), but they also have the best defensive forwards and the very easiest gameplan in the entire NHL for a goaltender. You're talkin 12, 15, 13, 18, 16 shots a game for some streaks. Yeah, the long breaks in the action might make a netminder lose focus, but I think the benfitis far outweigh.

Osgood won't get tired because playing goal for Detroit is a joke. He played half a season and was fine for 20 playoff games, even with another year under him I can see him playing 40-50 easy and I would be very surprised if he ever needs to play more than that.

Conklin gets slated for a 30ish game season under the condition that Howard immediately replaces him and gets a shot if his play quality drops dangerously. I guarentee this!

Spartan
07-05-2008, 09:48 PM
Filppula filed for arbitration, he will be a Red Wing.:yes:

chgorman
07-07-2008, 08:22 AM
Good to hear, for sure. Should be a valuable piece of the puzzle, as long as he keeps developing.

Kyle
07-07-2008, 09:50 AM
HAha this is great, Wings fans were so anti Flip by the start of the playoffs and now everyone breathes a sigh of relief cuase hes resigned. I for one remember him being invisible for 10+ games at a time, so I'll definitely hold my breath on this as he could very well emerge terribly.

Spartan
07-07-2008, 10:05 AM
HAha this is great, Wings fans were so anti Flip by the start of the playoffs and now everyone breathes a sigh of relief cuase hes resigned. I for one remember him being invisible for 10+ games at a time, so I'll definitely hold my breath on this as he could very well emerge terribly.

Which is a pig part of why the arbitration is a good thing. The Wings didn't have to match an offer sheet that was say 4 years. This way they can do a 1 or 2 year deal and get a little extra look at him that way. The wings will have big decisions to make over the next two off seasons. Luckily they have a lot of good options.

chgorman
07-07-2008, 10:06 AM
I'm not entirely convinced that he'll turn out as ohters are predicting (i.e. a Dats/Zetts type player of similar skill), and I also noticed that he disappears for long periods of time, however he did come up with some pretty timely plays/goals in the playoffs when the Wings needed him to step up most. Maybe it's just me, but I noticed probably three or four times during the playoffs in which the Wings were controlling play but just couldn't get something done, and Flip had been quiet for a number of games and I'd be just about ready to write him off, and then he'd make a key play or a key goal that got the team back on track. He's not dominating by any means, and his game could definitely use some development in a couple of areas, but he is young, still relatively cheap (pending his arbitration award, of course), Babs absolutely LOVES him (I don't really see why yet, but take that for what it's worth), and maybe having Leino (a fellow Finn) around might do some good. I'm not ready to write him off just yet, as, in all honesty, he has made strides since he jumped into the mix, and Dats and Zetts weren;t exactly stars right off the bat either, but despite that, he's still a bit of an enigma to me, which I why I say that as long as he continues to develop, I'm glad he's staying around (assuming the org can sign him to an acceptable contract before arbitration, or assuming he doesn't get some ridiculous arbitration award if Kenny can't get him signed beforehand).

thelaughingtree
07-07-2008, 07:36 PM
In my opinion they're probably stronger in net this year than last. Hasek has been washed up in my opinion since that whole Ottawa situation. He was just too old and every time a shot came from anywhere on the ice I got nervous about it going in. I have much more faith in Ozzy, Conklin and Howard than I ever did last year in Hasek.


LaughingTree, I apologize in advance for how smotherthing this post will probably sound!

You're just dead wrong dude, and thats all there is to it. The Wings are the only reason Hasek got wins and a good GAA. His save% (A much more significant stat) has been sad as of recent years. Just sad. He was an average goaltender this year at best.

Conklin is at LEAST as good as Hasek last year and more than likely much better (Not much to lose with him and lots to gain). Howard as a 3rd is comfortable as usual. Wings are better than last year, definitely no net issue.

Edit - I will farther emphasize. The Wings not only have the best defense in the NHL (Theres a very slight few other arguments that can be made but I think most would agree they get the nod), but they also have the best defensive forwards and the very easiest gameplan in the entire NHL for a goaltender. You're talkin 12, 15, 13, 18, 16 shots a game for some streaks. Yeah, the long breaks in the action might make a netminder lose focus, but I think the benfitis far outweigh.

Osgood won't get tired because playing goal for Detroit is a joke. He played half a season and was fine for 20 playoff games, even with another year under him I can see him playing 40-50 easy and I would be very surprised if he ever needs to play more than that.

Conklin gets slated for a 30ish game season under the condition that Howard immediately replaces him and gets a shot if his play quality drops dangerously. I guarentee this!

I'm glad to hear it like you guys put it - It definitely helps knowing that on the whole there is faith in this teams ability to prevent pucks going in the net. I'm sure the Wings feel the same way & were ready to part ways with Hasek. I just need the season to get underway & put me at ease & put my paranoia aside. Conklin & Howard have loads of potential to prove themselves & should work pretty hard for that 2nd spot - which they know will get starts... I guess in that light this is still very much a competitive position.

Kyle
07-07-2008, 07:57 PM
Yeah. See, the thing is, I'm not counting on Osgood to play like he did this playoff run. He may very well be considerably worse (Like he was all 40 games of the season!!) but that'd be more than enough. I know its kind of sad to say because no other team gets the luxery of saying this, but all the Wings need in net to win huge is a semi-competent, mediocre performance from our goaltenders. We've played many years over the last dozen with sub-par or arguably lower quality goaltending, and we've simply had success regardless. Osgood can't play bad enough to lose us a lot of games, he can play the worst hockey in his career and we would still win games. I saw a lot of good in the playoffs and I think he plays this season at least as well as he played last now that hes back on top of the world. If that doesn't come true, oh well, we'll just have to accept 105 points instead of 115. :lol:

fuji9991
07-08-2008, 01:26 PM
Yeah. See, the thing is, I'm not counting on Osgood to play like he did this playoff run. He may very well be considerably worse (Like he was all 40 games of the season!!) but that'd be more than enough. I know its kind of sad to say because no other team gets the luxery of saying this, but all the Wings need in net to win huge is a semi-competent, mediocre performance from our goaltenders. We've played many years over the last dozen with sub-par or arguably lower quality goaltending, and we've simply had success regardless. Osgood can't play bad enough to lose us a lot of games, he can play the worst hockey in his career and we would still win games. I saw a lot of good in the playoffs and I think he plays this season at least as well as he played last now that hes back on top of the world. If that doesn't come true, oh well, we'll just have to accept 105 points instead of 115. :lol:

I agree with most of these points. Holland's strategy for many years has been to build successful teams with budget goaltending. Hasik and Osgood and Vernon all fit into that reliable veteran without the huge price tag category.

Osgood however has improved a lot in the last few years being more positional than he used to be. in the past Osgood saves made the highlight reels only because he had to struggle so hard to make saves because he was so out of position. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Red Wings goalie for quite a few more years.

the Red Wings have had this superstar core of defense in front of their goalie for the last 10 years. Not to mention more than a handful of selky winners and nominees.

I don't think the wings are too concerned and making a gamble on Conklin I'm just curious when Howard is going to fit in this picture?

Kyle
07-08-2008, 06:12 PM
Who knows, I feel bad for him. I'm sure he isn't happy with his situation at all, he needs one of the two ahead of him to bomb it big time.

WinnipegWingnut
07-15-2008, 01:26 PM
Drake is retired, went out on top, good to see!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=243471&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

Also, people don't seem to remember Ozzy had a helluva season this year as well, I seem to remember him winning MANY people their fantasy weeks.

Zamboners
07-15-2008, 01:27 PM
Red Wings' Drake retires after 15 NHL seasons
Red Wings forward Dallas Drake announced today that he is retiring after 15 seasons in the NHL.
Drake began his career with the Wings in 1992-93 and ended it last season in Detroit, winning his first Stanley Cup. The scrappy, physical left wing played in 1,009 regular season games, scoring 177 goals and adding 300 assists, for 477 points.
"I played a long time, I had a lot of fun,'' Drake said. "After winning the Stanley Cup this year, there's not a better way for me to go out.''
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/07/drake_expected_to_make_retirem.html

Zamboners
07-15-2008, 01:27 PM
Drake is retired, went out on top, good to see!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=243471&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

Also, people don't seem to remember Ozzy had a helluva season this year as well, I seem to remember him winning MANY people their fantasy weeks.

Ha, beat me to it by a minute =)

WinnipegWingnut
07-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Ha, beat me to it by a minute =)

slowpoke ;)

Hockeyis#1
07-15-2008, 03:01 PM
Who knows, I feel bad for him. I'm sure he isn't happy with his situation at all, he needs one of the two ahead of him to bomb it big time.

I was really shocked that we got Conk, I was SURE this would be Howard's year to finally see a FT callup. Maybe even get a good share of the starts- 75/25 maybe?

Maybe Hossa needed a buddy from Pit? :lol:

chgorman
07-15-2008, 03:21 PM
I was really shocked that we got Conk, I was SURE this would be Howard's year to finally see a FT callup. Maybe even get a good share of the starts- 75/25 maybe?

Maybe Hossa needed a buddy from Pit? :lol:

It's possible, although Conks was signed before Hossa.

Hockeyis#1
07-15-2008, 04:57 PM
It's possible, although Conks was signed before Hossa.

Perhaps the other way around then? :D

chgorman
07-15-2008, 05:59 PM
Perhaps the other way around then? :D

perhaps ;) Or maybe Hossa just follows Conks around now...

Spartan
07-21-2008, 03:36 PM
Brad McCrimmon hired as assistant coach

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/07/wings_hire_brad_mccrimmon_as_a.html



July 21, The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=436773): The Detroit Red Wings have hired Brad McCrimmon as an assistant coach on Mike Babcock's staff, filling the vacancy created when Todd McLellan left to take the head job in San Jose.
McCrimmon was the associate coach for the Atlanta Thrashers last season and a finalist for the head job with the Thrashers. He told the Sporting News he has agreed to terms to join the Red Wings and expects to sign the deal when he goes to Detroit next week. "I was there for three years as a player and loved it," said McCrimmon, who played for the Red Wings from 1990-93. "Now it's a great opportunity to go back. It's a good situation in the sense of the city, the team and what they've been doing there for a long time."
McCrimmon was a popular assistant in Atlanta, where Ilya Kovalchuk, Bobby Holik, Marian Hossa and Mark Recchi all made pitches for him to get the head job after Bob Hartley was fired at the beginning of the 2007-08 season. The Thrashers instead promoted John Anderson from their AHL affiliate after Anderson won the Calder Cup this season with the Wolves.
McCrimmon spent four seasons in Atlanta and also has been an assistant coach with the Calgary Flames and New York Islanders. As a player, McCrimmon was a physical defenseman who helped the Flames win a Stanley Cup in 1989.

thelaughingtree
07-21-2008, 07:10 PM
Brad McCrimmon hired as assistant coach

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/07/wings_hire_brad_mccrimmon_as_a.html


Hmmmm... Don't bring any of that shit up to Detroit from Atl

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-24-2008, 07:52 PM
First the champs let fans at The Chelios bar drink out of the Stanley Cup and it ends up cracked/damaged, then Draper's diaper less daughter takes a crap in it. Glad to see the RedWings are taking good care of the Holy Grail! :lol:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080714/SPORTS05/807140362/1048/sports

WinnipegWingnut
07-24-2008, 11:19 PM
First the champs let fans at The Chelios bar drink out of the Stanley Cup and it ends up cracked/damaged, then Draper's diaper less daughter takes a crap in it. Glad to see the RedWings are taking good care of the Holy Grail! :lol:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080714/SPORTS05/807140362/1048/sports

s'alright, I'm sure the Wings wont mind a lil Draper crap when they're sipping out of it next June again :D

chgorman
07-29-2008, 08:28 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=244360&lid=sublink06&lpos=headlines_nhl

:lol::lol: I find it hilarious that Holmer's cousin has his kid baptised in the cup a couple days after Draper's kid dumps a load in it. Hope they cleaned that thing to sparkling after Drapes' kid was in it!

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
07-29-2008, 03:26 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=244360&lid=sublink06&lpos=headlines_nhl

:lol::lol: I find it hilarious that Holmer's cousin has his kid baptised in the cup a couple days after Draper's kid dumps a load in it. Hope they cleaned that thing to sparkling after Drapes' kid was in it!

aaaahhh, gives new meaning to the term "Holy Grail" eh?

I still think the dumpage was too fucking hilarious. The cup man handler dude must be having a heart attack this off season. :lol:

Spartan
07-30-2008, 11:50 AM
Red Wings lock up Filpula 5yrs. 15 Million. Way to go Kenny H.

chgorman
07-30-2008, 02:18 PM
Red Wings lock up Filpula 5yrs. 15 Million. Way to go Kenny H.

Nice! Great that they were able to avoid arbitration, as that can get a little messy sometimes. Might be a little bit of an overpayment for the first season, unless he has his breakout season this year, but if he develops into the player Kenny and Babs hope/think he will, then this deal will be an absolute steal over the last couple yrs of the deal, similar to Zett's current deal, and Dats' previous deal.

Kenny does it again! Holland for Prez!

On a different subject - when they got Hossa, I was sure it would be for one yr only, but now I'm hearing that they may try to fit him in long-term... with both Zetts and Franzen due for raises after this coming season, how is that going to be possible? Even if they let Sammy, Conklin, Hudler and Kopecky walk, that still only saves them about 3.5 mil. I'm guessing they'd have to make a trade or two to free up more space, but then who do they trade? Can't see them moving Clearly after just signing him for 5 yrs. Can't see Holmer, Drapes or Maltby going anywhere else, except for maybe retirement. Guess they could move Lilly/Lebda, but even if they move both, that's still only another 2 mil in savings. And all this isn't even counting what they may have to pay Leino if he earns a spot on the team, and Howard if Conks walks, as well as any other rooks who may make the jump in the next couple yrs (Kindl, Ericsson, Mursak, Abdelkader, etc).

This rumor of trying to keep Hossa long term has me pretty excited, but I can't possibly see how even a genius like Kenny could make it work, unless the cap goes up by like 10-15mil next year, and/or everybody else on the team takes a pay cut, neither of which I see happening.

Spartan
07-30-2008, 03:20 PM
On a different subject - when they got Hossa, I was sure it would be for one yr only, but now I'm hearing that they may try to fit him in long-term... with both Zetts and Franzen due for raises after this coming season, how is that going to be possible? Even if they let Sammy, Conklin, Hudler and Kopecky walk, that still only saves them about 3.5 mil. I'm guessing they'd have to make a trade or two to free up more space, but then who do they trade? Can't see them moving Clearly after just signing him for 5 yrs. Can't see Holmer, Drapes or Maltby going anywhere else, except for maybe retirement. Guess they could move Lilly/Lebda, but even if they move both, that's still only another 2 mil in savings. And all this isn't even counting what they may have to pay Leino if he earns a spot on the team, and Howard if Conks walks, as well as any other rooks who may make the jump in the next couple yrs (Kindl, Ericsson, Mursak, Abdelkader, etc).

This rumor of trying to keep Hossa long term has me pretty excited, but I can't possibly see how even a genius like Kenny could make it work, unless the cap goes up by like 10-15mil next year, and/or everybody else on the team takes a pay cut, neither of which I see happening.

Assuming the cap goes up like it did this year. There is really no reason it should not be similar, things are looking up for the league especially in key markets. Lets assume the cap expands to 60 MM.

The wings are at 41.6 as of now.

Assume Howard is ready and Larsson and the new guy play in Grand Rapids. Conklin would have no reason to stay. He has a good chance of getting a bigger payday and long term deal elsewhere. The third payroll goalie would command .5MM tops.
Total cap 42.1MM

Defensively Quincy will be locked up similar or less than Ericsson around .8 MM. Leaving just Chelios to be replaced. Kindl or Smith can come up full time at .5MM on early contracts.
Total Cap 43.4MM

You now have @16.6MM left to lockup the following; Hossa, Zetterburg, Franzen, Samuelsson, Hudler, Kopecky, and 5 role players.

Those role players cost on average .6MM each for a total of 3MM leaving 13.6MM left for the final five.

Kopecky can get sammy type money 1.25MM
Samuelsson less than Cleary at @ 2MM
Hudler likely to get Filp money @ 3MM
Zetts is the heir apparrent to Lidstrom his deal would be 7.5MM next year then up to 8-8.5MM in subsequent years.
Hossa would have to be urged to take the same type of deal.
Franzen could command as little as 3MM up to 5.5MM depending on how he does this year.

You can mix and match those forwards but it is apparent that if some minor trades were made and you let Kopecky and Sammy walk you still can only have 2 of Zetts, Hossa, Franzen. And thats assuming they will take "Detroit discounts" because they can command more elsewhere.

chgorman
07-30-2008, 04:06 PM
Yeah, it'll def be tough, near impossible to keep all three (Hos, Zet, Franz), which is unfotunate, but def not the end of the world. They were fine without Hossa, and they'd still be fine if he left, I just think it would be amazing if they could somehow keep all three. TBH, I'd almost rather see them keep Franzen and let Hossa walk, to give them a little more cap flexibility, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Maybe Franzen falls flat and they can resign him for cheap. Maybe Hossa doesn't fit in very well and decides DET isn't the place for him (or Kenny makes that decision for him). In terms of a cap standpoint, the worst would be if they both have career seasons and both expect big $$ going into next yr, so it'll def be interesting to see how it plays out.

Spartan
07-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Nice! Great that they were able to avoid arbitration, as that can get a little messy sometimes. Might be a little bit of an overpayment for the first season, unless he has his breakout season this year, but if he develops into the player Kenny and Babs hope/think he will, then this deal will be an absolute steal over the last couple yrs of the deal, similar to Zett's current deal, and Dats' previous deal.Anser Khan brings a good point in his blog. With Filp on the hook for 3mil, the Wings now need to make a trade to get under the cap this year. The question is who goes? Lilja, Samuelsson, Hudler?

chgorman
07-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Anser Khan brings a good point in his blog. With Filp on the hook for 3mil, the Wings now need to make a trade to get under the cap this year. The question is who goes? Lilja, Samuelsson, Hudler?

Good question. I'd much rather see them move Lilly over the other two, but he's also probably got the lowest trade value.

Is Cheli still in the mix? they still haven't signed him yet either, have they? Can't say I'd be devastated if they didn't.

edit: just checked NHLnumbers.com, and they've got the Wings at 56.09mil, including the Filp signing, with about 600 G's of space left (and that's without Cheli signed, or DMc or Downey in the mix as a tough guy/enforcer, which I think they'll need). Not sure who is right, nhlnumbers.com or Ansar, but somebody's missing somthing.

Spartan
07-30-2008, 05:46 PM
Good question. I'd much rather see them move Lilly over the other two, but he's also probably got the lowest trade value.

Is Cheli still in the mix? they still haven't signed him yet either, have they? Can't say I'd be devastated if they didn't.They have .45 mil to sign Chelli, McCarty and Quincey.

chgorman
07-30-2008, 05:54 PM
They have .45 mil to sign Chelli, McCarty and Quincey.

That's less than the minimum isn't it? I think they're def gonna have to move somebody, unfortunately.

Hockeyis#1
07-31-2008, 09:04 AM
Is Cheli still in the mix? they still haven't signed him yet either, have they? Can't say I'd be devastated if they didn't.

We all know how I feel about that...:lol:

I'd say keep Downey, he's the youngest, probably the best talent wise, and still a decent fighter. Possibley the cheapest too...

chgorman
07-31-2008, 09:22 AM
We all know how I feel about that...:lol:

I'd say keep Downey, he's the youngest, probably the best talent wise, and still a decent fighter. Possibley the cheapest too...

Yeah, as much as I like DMc, I'd prefer they kept Downey over him.

Rumor on rotoworld is that they might try to move Quincey to clear cap space. I wouldn't be too upset if that happened, considering the amount of talent on D they have in the system, but as I said, I'd much rather see them move Lilly. Him and Quinc seem to play a similar game, but Quinc is obviously way younger, and cheaper to boot.

Hockeyis#1
08-04-2008, 07:18 AM
I don't really care to much for Lilja either....he seems like a smaller, less experianced, less talented and slightly faster version of Derian Hatcher...

Spartan
08-04-2008, 10:59 AM
I don't really care to much for Lilja either....he seems like a smaller, less experianced, less talented and slightly faster version of Derian Hatcher...
I still can't forgive him for game 5 versus the Ducks.

chgorman
08-04-2008, 11:09 AM
Yeah, that was bad.

In Lilly's defence, he isn't afraid to lay the body, he's one of the few on the team who actually blocks shots, and he hasn't shyed away from standing up for his teammates in the past, however like I say, I think Quinc can do all those things as well with some work and solid coaching, and he's younger and cheaper.

IMO, they should let both Quinc and Lilly go, and let Ericsson take the 6th/7th D spot.

Spartan
09-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Babcock plans on L1 Holmer - Dats - Hossa L2 Mule - Zetts - Hudler

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/09/babcock_breaking_up_wings_dats.html

dw13
09-04-2008, 12:07 AM
Babcock plans on L1 Holmer - Dats - Hossa L2 Hudler - Zetts - Filp

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/09/babcock_breaking_up_wings_dats.html

The other top line, at least initially, will feature Zetterberg centering Franzen and Jiri Hudler.


Get Flip and Johan Franzen swapped? Just making sure.

Spartan
09-04-2008, 12:08 AM
The other top line, at least initially, will feature Zetterberg centering Franzen and Jiri Hudler.


Get Flip and Johan Franzen swapped? Just making sure.Wow I translated that poorly...better fix that.

dw13
09-04-2008, 12:10 AM
:D Just making sure you don't get those people who don't read the article confused. didn't mean to jump on ya.

chgorman
09-04-2008, 08:11 AM
Was talking to my Dad last night, who keeps up pretty closely with news and rumors about the team, and he's heard/seen/read a couple things saying Holland told Quincey to go get boxing lessons.

Sounds like his ticket to a regular spot in the lineup is gonna be as a stay-at-home defensive enforcer type role. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I kinda like this idea, as none of their current crop of D can really fill that type of role full-time, and although it's tough to find holes in this team, I think it's something that I think may have been missing from last year's team. Lids and Raffy are the LEAST physical guys in the league (or at least on the team), Kron hits like a train, but shouldn't be fighting. Stuart could probably drop the mitts if necessary, but it's not a role they want him playing full time. Lebda isn't a fighter, and although Lilly has droppped the mitts a few times, it's not something he's very good at.

With Downey gone and DMc most likely starting the season in GR, I kinda like this move if it's actually true and Quinc can learn to toss some knobs. I don't expect him to become an elite fighter by any means, but if he wants a reg spot in this elite D lineup, he's gonna hafta bring more to the table, or at least offer something different than the other guys, and fill a niche, and if he takes to these boxing lessons well, I think that's a great start. He's not huge, but he's big enough to be a bit of an imposing physical presence out there, so as long as he doesn't take too many stupid penalties, or get beat down every time out, I think he can fill that role well for the Wings.

chgorman
09-04-2008, 08:17 AM
Babcock plans on L1 Holmer - Dats - Hossa L2 Mule - Zetts - Hudler

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/09/babcock_breaking_up_wings_dats.html

I saw this too. Kinda surprised that Huds is projected to be on the 2nd line over Filp, but then again, a Filp-Cleary-Sammy 3rd line isn't too shabby either.

Def interested to see how Huds does with full time 2nd line icetime. He could really bust out this year and finally realize some of the potential he's supposed to have if he sticks with Zetts and Franzen. I was actuallu pretty impressed with Huds in the playoffs last year. Made some great plays, didn't back down from anybody and wasn't afraid to mix it up a bit in the scrum, etc. Hopefully that was a sign of things to come, as I've been waiting for this kid to bust out in a big way for a coupl eyears now. Hopefully he's finally got Babs' trust and will get some decent icetime.

WinnipegWingnut
09-04-2008, 08:32 AM
Quincy getting lessons.... solid move! I'm tired of seeing Lilja drop the mitts and hug his opponent the whole time.

Hudler on the 2nd line, I like it alot. He should benefit big time with the talent on that line and this should be his breakout year IMO.

Also.... Chelios signed to come back for ANOTHER year.... someone for Quincy to spar with and practise his new techniques on... :lol:

Jake
09-04-2008, 11:13 AM
I thought downey resigned a week or two ago...I also thought Flip would be on the first or second line in place of Hudler.

jsut looked it up, downey signed a two way contract

chgorman
09-04-2008, 11:42 AM
I thought downey resigned a week or two ago...I also thought Flip would be on the first or second line in place of Hudler.

jsut looked it up, downey signed a two way contract

Good call. not sure why I thought that they dumped him :confused::$

Well, with him and DMc, and Quinc reportedly taking boxing lessons, they should have enough toughness to get by.

chgorman
09-11-2008, 09:48 AM
Just got an email from my bro saying he just snagged 4 tix to the home opener/banner raising ceremony on Oct 9! BOO YAH!!!

$50 a piece on ebay, upper bowl, and vs. the Leafs no less!! I'm predicting a 7-0 thrashing (the Wings will let up after it's 6-0 halfway through the 2nd), with Hossa potting a 'trick in his first official game as a Wing.

CAN'T WAIT!!!

WinnipegWingnut
09-11-2008, 11:08 AM
Sweet deal chgor... be super loud! and let those Leafs know how lowsy they are!

MrScientist
09-15-2008, 02:52 PM
I'll be at the opener for sure. My Dad tries to share the wealth with his season tix but I snagged them as soon as the schedule came out :D

fancy19
09-17-2008, 05:39 AM
I'm in Halifax, going to see my wings for the fist time in a pre-season vs the bruins next week with my bro(boston fan)....should be a blast!

phaneuf6
09-28-2008, 08:52 PM
Franzen playing LW or RW?

chgorman
09-29-2008, 08:28 AM
Franzen playing LW or RW?

Most likely LW. He'll be with Zetts and Hudler to start I believe. All three are actually natural centers, but Hudler is the only one who has played RW regularily before, so he'll most likely be on the right, with Zetts and Franzen sharing LW/C responsibilities (since they both play both positions). I really don't see Franzen on the right side, but stranger things have happened I guess.

chgorman
09-29-2008, 08:33 AM
Just got an email from my bro saying he just snagged 4 tix to the home opener/banner raising ceremony on Oct 9! BOO YAH!!!

$50 a piece on ebay, upper bowl, and vs. the Leafs no less!! I'm predicting a 7-0 thrashing (the Wings will let up after it's 6-0 halfway through the 2nd), with Hossa potting a 'trick in his first official game as a Wing.

CAN'T WAIT!!!

GOD DAMN!!! Just got an email from my bro saying he f*cked up, an the tix he got are for THIS FRIDAY'S PRESEASON game vs. the Leafs, not the home opener :rolleyes:. What a let down... :cry:

I woulda taken time off work to go to the opener... not even worth it for a preseason game when I have to drive 3.5 hrs each way to go, pay $50 to sit in the upper bowl, have to run a draft at noon the following day, and the Wings will probably be sitting a bunch of guys to get one last look at some of the young'uns. What a piss-off. I was SUPER pumped for the home opener.:mad:

eykwingnut
09-29-2008, 12:57 PM
GOD DAMN!!! Just got an email from my bro saying he f*cked up, an the tix he got are for THIS FRIDAY'S PRESEASON game vs. the Leafs, not the home opener :rolleyes:. What a let down... :cry:

I woulda taken time off work to go to the opener... not even worth it for a preseason game when I have to drive 3.5 hrs each way to go, pay $50 to sit in the upper bowl, have to run a draft at noon the following day, and the Wings will probably be sitting a bunch of guys to get one last look at some of the young'uns. What a piss-off. I was SUPER pumped for the home opener.:mad:
i had a feeling this was the case. ive looked on ebay for tix and they are redic...

chgorman
09-29-2008, 01:10 PM
i had a feeling this was the case. ive looked on ebay for tix and they are redic...

Yeah, I shoulda known better. Seemed too good to be true when he first emailed me about it, but I wasn't about to question him on it. Probably shoulda though... then at least I wouldn't have gotten my hopes up, lol.

chgorman
09-30-2008, 09:26 AM
Franzen playing LW or RW?


Most likely LW. He'll be with Zetts and Hudler to start I believe. All three are actually natural centers, but Hudler is the only one who has played RW regularily before, so he'll most likely be on the right, with Zetts and Franzen sharing LW/C responsibilities (since they both play both positions). I really don't see Franzen on the right side, but stranger things have happened I guess.

From rotoworld this morning:

Jiri Hudler (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NHL&id=1573)-W- Red Wings (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NHL&majteam=DET)Sep. 30 - 8:23 am ethttp://www.rotoworld.com/images/right_corner_player_news.gifhttp://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifhttp://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifhttp://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifhttp://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif
Jiri Hudler will line up on the right side of the second line with Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen.
Hudler will be a great sleeper pick this season as he managed 13 goals and 42 points last season playing on the third and fourth line for the Red Wings. He could get as many as 70 points if he remains a top-six forward for Detroit this season as he is gifted offensively.
Source: Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/SPORTS05/809300384/1053)

Dubz
09-30-2008, 09:09 PM
GOD DAMN!!! Just got an email from my bro saying he f*cked up, an the tix he got are for THIS FRIDAY'S PRESEASON game vs. the Leafs, not the home opener :rolleyes:. What a let down... :cry:

I woulda taken time off work to go to the opener... not even worth it for a preseason game when I have to drive 3.5 hrs each way to go, pay $50 to sit in the upper bowl, have to run a draft at noon the following day, and the Wings will probably be sitting a bunch of guys to get one last look at some of the young'uns. What a piss-off. I was SUPER pumped for the home opener.:mad:

Thats the real reason.:D

Hey, I might take those tix. How many? :chin:

chgorman
10-01-2008, 09:10 AM
Thats the real reason.:D

Hey, I might take those tix. How many? :chin:

He's got 4 tix to the game, but he's def taking my Pops with him, as well as a couple buddies possibly. But I can let him know that you may be interested in them in the event that his buds can't go, cause I know he doesn't want to get stuck with having to pay for any unused tix himself if he can't find anybody else to go.

I'll email him and give him the heads up. If he replies and says his buds can't go and you can have the tix, then I'll PM you his contact info and you guys can set up the exchange.

Hockeyis#1
10-06-2008, 09:32 AM
wow isn't this pretty looking?
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg282/Nighthawk0581/e148ec4f3f693e3e7a328fedfe387fc1-ge.jpg

chgorman
10-06-2008, 10:16 AM
Looks good!

I can't stand the yellow palms on his gloves though, sticks out like a sore thumb. Looks horrible against the red on the unis. I know I'm just being nit picky, probably won't even see his palms that much, but it still annoys me for some reason. I noticed it last year with the Pens as well, but it wasn't as bad since at least the Pens had some gold on their jerseys. Looks horrible with the red on the Wings jerseys though.

Spartan
10-07-2008, 10:36 PM
A good read on Jiri Fischer and his life now. Barring the two accidents imagine how sick the Wings defense would have been.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/SPORTS0103/810070327/1128

chgorman
10-08-2008, 09:56 AM
A good read on Jiri Fischer and his life now. Barring the two accidents imagine how sick the Wings defense would have been.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/SPORTS0103/810070327/1128

Great read. thx Sparty.

Pretty amazing to think that the Wings are a good as they are on D despite losing Jiri and Vladdy WAY too early. That's a big chunk of defensive prowess and physicality right there that they lost with those two, yet the team rolls on without missing a beat.

Not to take anything away from the current D corps, specifically Lebda/Lilja/Cheli, but a 3rd pairing of Jiri in his prime and Vladdy at the tail end of his career would be pretty ridiculous. I don't think any team would be able to stand up to that combo of size, defensive prowess, intensity and nastiness.

Spartan
10-08-2008, 10:12 AM
Great read. thx Sparty.

Pretty amazing to think that the Wings are a good as they are on D despite losing Jiri and Vladdy WAY too early. That's a big chunk of defensive prowess and physicality right there that they lost with those two, yet the team rolls on without missing a beat.

Not to take anything away from the current D corps, specifically Lebda/Lilja/Cheli, but a 3rd pairing of Jiri in his prime and Vladdy at the tail end of his career would be pretty ridiculous. I don't think any team would be able to stand up to that combo of size, defensive prowess, intensity and nastiness.Not only that but consider the resources spent on Schneider, Hatcher, Krupp, Chelios and Ulf Samuelsson. Those were major additions that cost the team in other areas. Who knows what happens if they get it back. Consider that Schneider cost Avery and the first two picks in the draft that year. Chelios cost two firsts.
Samuelsson cost a second and third. Had those accident never happened probably 4 out of 5 of those moves never happen.

chgorman
10-08-2008, 10:16 AM
That's insane! In his defence, Schneider was a solid addition and give the team a few VERY solid years, but I totally hear what you're saying, no doubt.

Spartan
10-11-2008, 02:54 PM
Who am I to question Holland? That said I hate that they choose to waive Quincey so that Chelios can play as a healthy scratch half the time.

phaneuf6
10-11-2008, 04:09 PM
Who am I to question Holland? That said I hate that they choose to waive Quincey so that Chelios can play as a healthy scratch half the time.

Wow yeah, can't say I agree with that either. Chelios should hang em up at this point, he can't keep up in today's game, he's lucky he's in that secure Detroit system because anywhere else he'd be getting burned time and time again.

Hockeyis#1
10-12-2008, 09:39 AM
Chelios should hang em up at this point, he can't keep up in today's game, he's lucky he's in that secure Detroit system because anywhere else he'd be getting burned time and time again.

He's still getting burned it detroit, it's just not as noticeable thanks to surrounding talent. I wish I had video of him getting torched by Brendan Morrow in the CF last year. Chelios got his ankles broken by Morrow simply skating to the left with the puck :lol:

tets
10-12-2008, 11:39 AM
They need Cheli in Detroit......he's a big key in the development of the younger d men.

phaneuf6
10-12-2008, 11:44 AM
They need Cheli in Detroit......he's a big key in the development of the younger d men.

lol, cause Lidstrom doesn't have a role in that, or Rafalski for that matter :rolleyes:

Spartan
10-13-2008, 08:13 AM
They need Cheli in Detroit......he's a big key in the development of the younger d men.If that were the case he would be in Grand Rapids.

buddah1212
10-13-2008, 02:28 PM
I agree with the comments that Chelios should hang it up and give a younger more skilled player his ice time. Chelios used to be a great player but those days are now gone. If he wants to be a coach, then fine, be a coach, but don't take a roster spot away from an up and coming young D man. Just my feelings on the subject.

GO WINGS!!!!

chgorman
10-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Can't say I'm devastated about losing Quincey. I kinda agree with the idea of dumping Cheli instead, but regardless, I'm not sure Quincey would get much time with the Wings anyway unless they suffered massive injuries to the blue line. Might as well let him go somewhere where he'll actually get to play.

The Wings have Lids for another couple years most likely, Raffy probably until he retires (and he'll probably play until at least 40, since he didn't even lay in the NHL until he was 28 or something, so he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him), Kron will be around for a while, if not the rest of his career, Stuart for a while, etc, with Ericksson, Smith and Kindl most likely ready to make the jump within the next few yrs... I just don't see Quincey factoring in much once they start bringing up those other kids, as, although he's good defensively, he doesn't bring much offence to the table.

Def sucks to lose him for nothing, and I woulda much rather seen them move/dump Lilja instead, possibly Lebda if they could get something decent return, or pull the cord on Cheli, as has already been mentioned, but I'm def not too upset about this move.

canuckthug
10-17-2008, 01:53 PM
You guys think the Canucks tying goal was goalie interference or Osgood being Osgoof? (bad rebound control and maybe out of position by momentum)

tets
10-17-2008, 04:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9kZbdnzMRQ

eykwingnut
10-18-2008, 05:03 AM
You guys think the Canucks tying goal was goalie interference or Osgood being Osgoof? (bad rebound control and maybe out of position by momentum)
to tell u the truth i dont remember the goal, and if i dont remember it then it probably was clean in my mind.

chgorman
10-25-2008, 08:31 AM
Hossa's sick goal from last night vs. the Thrash. Not sure this is 'goal of the year' territory, but it's pretty damn slick (20 secs in). Made The Schneid look like a complete goof:

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip106093#clip106093

two24four
10-25-2008, 09:33 AM
That was a sweet goal, he loves playing ATL, I think they said last night he has something like 19 Pts in 20 games vs ATL.

Kyle
10-25-2008, 11:07 AM
That was a sweet goal, he loves playing ATL, I think they said last night he has something like 19 Pts in 20 games vs ATL.


Its 22 in 20 or something like that, but either way, isn't that rather unimpressive for a PPG player?

Hossa is the shit, but I'm just saying, I kind of expect him to be PPG over his career against most teams. 30 points in 20 games, and I say he loves playing ATL.

Either way, 3 point night in the first game against his old team is a great boost for him.

Blade152
10-26-2008, 05:52 PM
i love chelly, man can keep playing in detroit for as long as his body will let him.

that said..hossa is a fucking pimp

WinnipegWingnut
10-29-2008, 02:55 PM
The Wings are rumoured to be looking to more Lilja.... granted it's from Eklund, but it does make sense to move him and his 1+ M salary to free up cap space. It's not like there isn't enough blue liners in the system to replace him.

Normally I take Eklund rumours (like most) with a grain of salt, but this one actually makes sense. Apparently the Isles and Thrashers are the rumoured destinations.... both of which could use some help on the blue line.

chgorman
10-30-2008, 03:18 PM
I'd have absolutely no prob seeing them move Lilly. I wanted them to move him before the season started. To bad they couldn't have done it before they lost Quinc to LA.

However, due to the fact that the rumor is coming from Eklund, that pretty much ensures that it'll never happen.

phaneuf6
10-30-2008, 09:08 PM
Eklund said this today: There are four teams that I think SHOULD be trading for Bulin right now: The LA Kings, NY Islanders, Thrashers, and Maple Leafs.

The Leafs? wtf.

I don't understand why the Wings wouldn't have made that move like chgorman said before they lost Quincy.

two24four
10-30-2008, 09:17 PM
Eklund said this today: There are four teams that I think SHOULD be trading for Bulin right now: The LA Kings, NY Islanders, Thrashers, and Maple Leafs.

The Leafs? wtf.

I don't understand why the Wings wouldn't have made that move like chgorman said before they lost Quincy.

:lol::lol: the Leafs.

Spartan
11-13-2008, 09:05 PM
Question for Wings fans. Considering future cap numbers, we must basically choose weather to keep Franzen and Hudler or Hossa.

I'll take Hossa and fill the holes with the young guys. What do you think is best?

DarkValiant
11-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Hudler and Franzen for me. Hudler has boatloads of talent and Franzen is pretty darn good himself. Hossa is as good as he's ever going to be and costs far, far too much to keep. We'd end up in an Ottawaesque position.

chgorman
11-14-2008, 06:58 PM
I'm kinda split on this one. TBH, I wouldn't have a problem seeing Hudler hit the bricks, as he really only seems to produce on the PP but not much ES, and the Wings have numerous other guys who could fill that PP role (Cleary, Filp, Leino), however I really think they need to keep Franzen around. If that means NOT keeping Hossa... I dunno, that's a tough call... he's pretty much dominating right now, however they won without him, so I don't see why they couldn't again after this season, without him, but it would be nice to be able to keep him around.

Are you sure those are the ONLY options Sparty? Kenny has been known to work some magic in the past... there's absolutely no way they can free up enough cap space to resign Zetts, Franzen and Hossa? I don't really care about Huds. He can go somewhere else.

Who is FA next year aside from Zetts, Hossa, Franz and Huds? Any way they could rid themselves of Lilly, Cheli, Lebda, McCarty? Any chance Drapes or Maltby retire at the end of this season? I like what Sammy brings to the table, but I wouldn't be devastated in the least bit if they were to get rid of him somehow.... there's gotta be more options than just resigning Hossa OR resigning Franz and Huds. They've got a ton of talent in the system that they could use on the cheap. If they let Huds walk, and somehow get rid of a few of those other guys I mentioned, you still don't think Kenny could work some magic to get all three of Zetts, Hossa and Franz resigned?

Spartan
11-15-2008, 07:51 AM
Are you sure those are the ONLY options Sparty? Kenny has been known to work some magic in the past... there's absolutely no way they can free up enough cap space to resign Zetts, Franzen and Hossa? I don't really care about Huds. He can go somewhere else.Anything is possible,but they are at 37.4 mil with Zetts on the verge of an 8 to 10 year deal at 8 mil. That puts them at 45 million with seven spots to fill. I would have to believe that Hossa would be paid relatively close to Zetterberg putting them at 53 million with 6 spots left. The cap won't rise with the economic situation this year, at least like it has in the past. I just don't see how they can snag all three, the young guys are cheaper but not free.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
11-15-2008, 12:23 PM
If Detroit can somehow get their rightfully owned big guns plus Von Douche/Marian Hossa to sign cheap (only way they keep him) and long term with the Redwings I will eat a spoonful of dirt. You can even make it a spoonful of dirt that a dog went pee pee on.

Dexter
11-15-2008, 12:34 PM
Anything is possible,but they are at 37.4 mil with Zetts on the verge of an 8 to 10 year deal at 8 mil. That puts them at 45 million with seven spots to fill. I would have to believe that Hossa would be paid relatively close to Zetterberg putting them at 53 million with 6 spots left. The cap won't rise with the economic situation this year, at least like it has in the past. I just don't see how they can snag all three, the young guys are cheaper but not free.

Didn't the Wings say they wouldn't pay anyone more money than Lidstrom?

WinnipegWingnut
11-17-2008, 10:23 AM
If Detroit can somehow get their rightfully owned big guns plus Von Douche/Marian Hossa to sign cheap (only way they keep him) and long term with the Redwings I will eat a spoonful of dirt. You can even make it a spoonful of dirt that a dog went pee pee on.

I would like to see a video of this :)


Didn't the Wings say they wouldn't pay anyone more money than Lidstrom?

This is true, and I see Zetts having no issue with taking a bit of a pay hit to stay in Motown, similar to how Hossa did this year.

As for re-signing all of those guys, never say never with Kenny Holland. If he wants to do it, he's the GM that can get it done.

chgorman
11-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Fuckin' Franzen man! The guy is a BEAST in front of the net! I def think the Wings need to keep him around. If it means they can't resign Hossa, that would suck, but I'm willing to accept it.

He says he's not even at 100% yet, but is still avging a goal a game since coming back from injury! Scary!

WinnipegWingnut
11-18-2008, 12:20 PM
Fuckin' Franzen man! The guy is a BEAST in front of the net! I def think the Wings need to keep him around. If it means they can't resign Hossa, that would suck, but I'm willing to accept it.

He says he's not even at 100% yet, but is still avging a goal a game since coming back from injury! Scary!

And I just dealt him and Higgins for Toews and S. Kost... damn.... but Toews is a nice keeper :)

Props to Conklin on his first SO in the Red and White last night!

two24four
11-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Red Wings place McCarty on waivers.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=256386&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main

chgorman
11-18-2008, 01:14 PM
Red Wings place McCarty on waivers.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=256386&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main

I saw this too... can't say I'm all that disappointed....possibly paving the way for Leino to be called up? He's been dominating down in Grand Rapids so far this season...

eykwingnut
11-19-2008, 03:06 PM
I saw this too... can't say I'm all that disappointed....possibly paving the way for Leino to be called up? He's been dominating down in Grand Rapids so far this season...
im happy with this move for sure.

chgorman
11-19-2008, 03:27 PM
im happy with this move for sure.

Not a big DMc fan, eh?

eykwingnut
11-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Not a big DMc fan, eh?
hell no.

Kyle
11-19-2008, 05:24 PM
he was WORTHLESS last year. 100% a fan treat, they just wanted to make the stanley cup sweeter.

chgorman
11-21-2008, 04:07 PM
How 'bout Kopecky last night? Doin' a pretty solid Homer/Franzen impression in front of the net.

Pretty awesome that this team could potentially ice 3 damn solid PP units if necessary (not that it ever would be necessary, but still... impressive) when everyone is healthy... and that's not even counting Leino. If they ever decide to bring the kid up, look out!

ES, if they ever brought the kid up and everybody else was healthy:
Hossa/Dats/Homer
Franzen/Zetts/Sammy
Filpula/Leino/Hudler
Kopecky/Draper/Cleary
Maltby

Pretty scary!

PP in the same situation:
Hossa/Dats/Homer - Lids/Raffy
Franzen/Zetts/Hudler - Kron/Sammy
Cleary or Filp/Leino/Kopecky - Stuart/Lebda

... wow...

eykwingnut
11-21-2008, 04:21 PM
i hope they bring him up, that line-up is SICK! kopecky just needs to stay healthy...

WinnipegWingnut
11-21-2008, 05:13 PM
If we lose Maltby or Draper over the summer... that will free up some cap space and a roster spot for Leino. Don't see Leiono being called up unless the ole injury bug hits us hard. Even then, Helm might be the first called up and Babcock loves him.

chgorman
11-21-2008, 06:16 PM
If we lose Maltby or Draper over the summer... that will free up some cap space and a roster spot for Leino. Don't see Leiono being called up unless the ole injury bug hits us hard. Even then, Helm might be the first called up and Babcock loves him.

Maybe. Pretty tough to ignore what Leino is doing down in GR right now though. Probably depends on who gets injured. If it's a grinder, Helm will be called up fo sho. Anybody else though, I think they bring up Leino.

Kaboominator
11-25-2008, 10:30 AM
Ok RW fans, tell me something. Does Conklin have a legit chance of taking the number 1 goalie position from Osgood? Osgood has been nothing but average this year. Conklin seems to be improving with every chance he gets to play. I'm not too sure if Ozzy can break out of this slump or not. Is it the goalies or is the once elite Detroit defense not playing up to there normal standards?

WinnipegWingnut
11-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Ok RW fans, tell me something. Does Conklin have a legit chance of taking the number 1 goalie position from Osgood? Osgood has been nothing but average this year. Conklin seems to be improving with every chance he gets to play. I'm not too sure if Ozzy can break out of this slump or not. Is it the goalies or is the once elite Detroit defense not playing up to there normal standards?

Probably wont take it outright, but I can definitely see a 50/50 split if Ozzy keeps now getting the W.

chgorman
11-25-2008, 11:47 AM
Ok RW fans, tell me something. Does Conklin have a legit chance of taking the number 1 goalie position from Osgood? Osgood has been nothing but average this year. Conklin seems to be improving with every chance he gets to play. I'm not too sure if Ozzy can break out of this slump or not. Is it the goalies or is the once elite Detroit defense not playing up to there normal standards?

A little from column A, a little from column B. Oz def hasn't played as well as he did last year, but part of the blame goes to the D too, as the team as a whole isn't playing D as well as they did last year. They're giving up more sog than they did last year, and their PK isn't quite where it should be, which are both factors.

That said, I wouldn't expect Conks to take over full time ever, unless Oz gets injured or is playing absolutely horribly game-in game-out (which he isn't, at this point). I think the best you can hope for for Conks is a 50/50 split, which seems to be where they're headed, at least for the next while...

... from rotoworld:

Chris Osgood and Ty Conklin will split goaltending duties fairly evenly in the short term.

Coach Mike Babcock does not want to wear Osgood out during the regular season and had been playing both goalies over the last two weeks. "You get Ozzie going (to start the season), then let them play more even and then you'll run with Ozzie again later," Babcock said. "Ozzie's not 25. He's 35. We don't need to wear him out. Conks has been excellent when he's played." Adjust your fantasy squad accordingly.
Source: Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081125/SPORTS0103/811250353/1128)

Kaboominator
11-25-2008, 02:08 PM
Thx WWN and CH

chgorman
11-27-2008, 01:47 PM
I won't get into the horrificness of the 0-5 defensive system that MTL employed last night, or the gift-wrapped first MTL goal, or the questionable refereeing... but on a nicer note, did anybody see any replays of the game last night? Stuart rocked the HELL outta Tanguay with a sick CLEAN hit, and Franzen's goal was a thing of beauty. If you Wings fans haven't seen either, see if you can find some replays somewhere (I think TSN has some, but I haven't actually watched, so I'm not sure which replays they included). Def worth checking out the hit and the goal.

Kaboominator
11-28-2008, 03:16 PM
I saw both and they were things of Beauty. Tell ya one thing Wings fans tommorows game is huge against the Bruins. That will be a great game to watch. Two teams with lots of depth. Big test for the Bruins with a statement game against the class of the West and defending champs. This is a game i will not miss.

chgorman
11-28-2008, 03:49 PM
I saw both and they were things of Beauty. Tell ya one thing Wings fans tommorows game is huge against the Bruins. That will be a great game to watch. Two teams with lots of depth. Big test for the Bruins with a statement game against the class of the West and defending champs. This is a game i will not miss.

Should be a great match! I really wanna see it, but I'm goin to a concert my buddy is putting on, and I doubt the bar it's at will have the game on, unfortunately, so I'll have to get the 411 from you guys afterwards. Enjoy the game, all who will be watching, should be a good one!

chgorman
12-02-2008, 01:44 PM
So, I missed the game on Sat... anybody see it? What happened? Wings just get outplayed?

Spartan
12-05-2008, 11:50 AM
Does anyone have a link to the Datsyuk commercial for the Rahmani Eye Institute?

It is absolutely the biggest train wreck on TV so awkward and yet a little funny at same time.

Hockeyis#1
12-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Speaking of train wrecks. Osgood last night....

WinnipegWingnut
12-05-2008, 11:53 AM
:D


NHL Coalition
Having decided that the Detroit Red Wings technically won the 2008 Stanley Cup, the Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers and Dallas Stars have formed a coalition demanding a three way ownership of the league title. Rational for their decision revolves around their total combined scoring in the 2008 Semi-Finals, their total share of season ticket holders versus the Detroit Red Wings and their horror at discovering the Detroit Red Wings are using a more cost effective and efficient but non-union made Silver polish to keep the Stanley Cup gleaming.
The three teams are being assisted in their bid to overturn the traditional results by members of the Quebec Hockey League who have no real interest in the success of the NHL in general but sense an opportunity to demand Zambonis and other critical equipment be manufactured in Quebec. Player representatives, Team Owners and Nike are expected to submit their proposals to Don Cherry in the next few days. Fans and ticket holders are neither being asked or allowed a voice in the final decision.

chgorman
12-05-2008, 12:11 PM
Does anyone have a link to the Datsyuk commercial for the Rahmani Eye Institute?

It is absolutely the biggest train wreck on TV so awkward and yet a little funny at same time.

Haha, I cringe every time I see that ad on the Wings' feed on CI, lol, it's brutal.

So WTF is up with Huds right now? He's arguably playing better than just about anybody on the team! 22pts in his past 20 gms or something like that? 9 goals in his last 8 gms I think? All this from the 3rd line/PP2.

2 or 3 wks ago I was saying - in this thread - that it wouldn't bother me at all if he hit the road after the season in order to sign Zetts/Hossa/Franzen... now I'm wondering if I should start thinking differently, lol.

Really too bad that they're not gonna be able to keep all this sick talent around. The Wings are gonna be the main supplier of talent to the rest of the league once free agency opens in the summer. Almost like they're a farm team for the rest of the league, lol. They develop the talent, get their chunk of flesh out of them, then have to send them on their way once they get too good, 'cause they can't afford them. Not complaining, just find it funny how much the rest of the league is gonna benefit from the Wings' depth, development practices and cap issues in the offseason.

Hudler, possibly Sammy, and whomever doesn't get signed out of the trifecta (Zetts/Hossa/Franzen) are gonna really help which ever teams get their mitts on them heading into next season.

WinnipegWingnut
12-05-2008, 12:14 PM
So WTF is up with Huds right now? He's arguably playing better than just about anybody on the team! 22pts in his past 20 gms or something like that? 9 goals in his last 8 gms I think? All this from the 3rd line/PP2.

Well based on this line combination update from a very very reliable source, it looks like Hudler is getting 1st line PP duties, so that would explain his burst in points:

* = PP1
** = PP2
Some players play both PP's so you may notice some disparity
^ = 7th D
HS = Healthy Scratch
IR = DUH
Dates listed after the team name are the last game the lines are through.



Detroit Red Wings (12/1)


L1: LW **Dan Cleary C **Pavel Datsyuk RW **Marian Hossa
L2: LW *Mikael Samuelsson C *Henrik Zetterberg RW *Johan Franzen
L3: LW Tomas Kopecky C Valtteri Flippula RW *Jiri Hudler
L4: LW Kirk Maltby C Kris Draper RW ^Derek Meech

D1: **Niklas Lidstrom / **Brian Rafalski
D2: *Niklas Kronwall / Brad Stuart
D3: Brett Lebda / Andreas Lilja

#1 Chris Osgood #2 Ty Conklin

Notes: Tomas Holmstrom DTD. Chris Chelios IR. D. Helm = HS

chgorman
12-05-2008, 01:07 PM
Well based on this line combination update from a very very reliable source, it looks like Hudler is getting 1st line PP duties, so that would explain his burst in points:

* = PP1
** = PP2
Some players play both PP's so you may notice some disparity
^ = 7th D
HS = Healthy Scratch
IR = DUH
Dates listed after the team name are the last game the lines are through.



Detroit Red Wings (12/1)


L1: LW **Dan Cleary C **Pavel Datsyuk RW **Marian Hossa
L2: LW *Mikael Samuelsson C *Henrik Zetterberg RW *Johan Franzen
L3: LW Tomas Kopecky C Valtteri Flippula RW *Jiri Hudler
L4: LW Kirk Maltby C Kris Draper RW ^Derek Meech

D1: **Niklas Lidstrom / **Brian Rafalski
D2: *Niklas Kronwall / Brad Stuart
D3: Brett Lebda / Andreas Lilja

#1 Chris Osgood #2 Ty Conklin

Notes: Tomas Holmstrom DTD. Chris Chelios IR. D. Helm = HS

hahaha...ummm... Dats and Hossa are NOT PP2, lol. When Homer comes back, Hossa/Dats/Homer is PP1, with Franzen/Zetts/Hudler being PP2.

Dunno where you're getting this info from, but anybody who thinks Franzen/Zetts/Hudler is PP1 with Dats and Hossa being PP2 is off their rocker IMO.

Franz/Zetts/Huds *may* be getting slightly more PP time than Dats/Hossa lately with Homer out, which may be why they're labelled as PP1, but there's no way they're ahead of Hossa/Dats/Homer in the normal PP pecking order. With Homer due back, Sat, those three will def be PP1 going forward.

Oh, and both of Hudler's goals last night were ES I believe... ;)

WinnipegWingnut
12-05-2008, 01:10 PM
hahaha...ummm... Dats and Hossa are NOT PP2, lol. When Homer comes back, Hossa/Dats/Homer is PP1, with Franzen/Zetts/Hudler being PP2.

Dunno where you're getting this info from, but anybody who thinks Franzen/Zetts/Hudler is PP1 with Dats and Hossa being PP2 is off their rocker IMO.

Franz/Zetts/Huds *may* be getting slightly more PP time than Dats/Hossa lately with Homer out, which may be why they're labelled as PP1, but there's no way they're ahead of Hossa/Dats/Homer in the normal PP pecking order. With Homer due back, Sat, those three will def be PP1 going forward.

Oh, and both of Hudler's goals last night were ES I believe... ;)

When they are labelled PP1 that means they are getting more ice time than the other unit.

I couldn't tell you though, as I rarely get to watch Wings games unless they play Edmonton or Calgary (good ole Sportsnet!)

Dubz
12-05-2008, 01:36 PM
When they are labelled PP1 that means they are getting more ice time than the other unit.

I couldn't tell you though, as I rarely get to watch Wings games unless they play Edmonton or Calgary (good ole Sportsnet!)

You'd think with all that money your saving on weed you would get Center Ice or something.:lol:

chgorman
12-05-2008, 01:42 PM
When they are labelled PP1 that means they are getting more ice time than the other unit.

I couldn't tell you though, as I rarely get to watch Wings games unless they play Edmonton or Calgary (good ole Sportsnet!)

Fair enough. Doesn't mean they're *actually* PP1 though. Like I say, maybe the past couple gms they've gotten a few seconds more of PP time than Hossa/Dats/Cleary, with Homer out, but I think it's really misleading to label them as PP1 when they clearly aren't, even if they've gotten a little more PP time over the past couple gms (which could be due to a number of things that don't necessarily make them PP1).

C'mon 'Pegger, you should know better ;). when would Hudler EVER realistically be on PP1 over Dats/Hossa?

WinnipegWingnut
12-05-2008, 02:11 PM
You'd think with all that money your saving on weed you would get Center Ice or something.:lol:

Nah I wish... honestly I wouldn't get solid use of it though as it's hard to get the big TV to myself all the time. Plus I opted for the Hockey News subscription instead. And we bought a little bit of weed to boot! hahahaha



C'mon 'Pegger, you should know better ;). when would Hudler EVER realistically be on PP1 over Dats/Hossa?

Oh of course not, but I must say Dats has been quiet lately (not sure what he did last night yet).

Spartan
12-12-2008, 10:30 PM
SCORE ALREADY!

C'mon Dallas sucks.

WinnipegWingnut
12-13-2008, 07:23 AM
SCORE ALREADY!

C'mon Dallas sucks.

:lol:

What can I say.... Turco stepped up huge.

chgorman
12-18-2008, 09:31 AM
Big match tonight! Game should be a good measuring stick for both teams!

I'm really hoping SJ doesn't toss almost 50 sog like they did last night, 'cause Conks will NOT hold up to a barrage like that like Mason did last night.

If the Wings can get a couple early and hold on for dear life, I def think they can beat SJ, but SJ is playing some ridiculously good hky, while the Wings - although not slumping per se - haven't been playing as well as they should be lately (Kron need to wake the fuck up... where's the guy who dominated in the playoffs last year?), so I'm not *expecting* a win like I would have been around this time last season.

Regardless, should be a great gm!

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 10:44 AM
With the Wings puck possesion game, I don't think SJ will be shooting like they did last night, I give them 30 shots tops.

So... with Ozzy potentially out, anyone else excited to hopefully see Jimmy Howard get another NHL start? last year in his limited action he looked great in the big leagues, eventhough he's been sub par for GR to date I hear.

Hockeyis#1
12-18-2008, 01:47 PM
even though he's been sub par for GR to date I hear.

If he had a bad attitude due to being snubbed for backup duty in Detroit, that could make his AHL numbers lackluster. Marek Svatos did it during the lockout when he was with the Hershey Bears. Guy had talent and a healthy dose of apathy.

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 01:51 PM
If he had a bad attitude due to being snubbed for backup duty in Detroit, that could make his AHL numbers lackluster. Marek Svatos did it during the lockout when he was with the Hershey Bears. Guy had talent and a healthy dose of apathy.

That's one way to look at it, but isn't he losing a lot of starts to Larsson in GR? Hopefully that's not the case, as if he is sour about not being an NHL back up he could be pretty pissed about being an AHL back up :$

Hockeyis#1
12-18-2008, 01:58 PM
as if he is sour about not being an NHL back up he could be pretty pissed about being an AHL back up :$

:lol::lol::lol:

He did get kinda snubbed by the Wings via them signing Conklin

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 02:01 PM
:lol::lol::lol:

He did get kinda snubbed by the Wings via them signing Conklin

He was snubbed when the Wings extended Osgood for 3 years, I think riding the pine wouldn't do Howard much good, although he would get quite a few starts behind Ozzy... but not the workload the Wings want him to get.

Although yes, signing Conklin probably didn't go over well with Jimmy.

eykwingnut
12-18-2008, 05:10 PM
i actually dont think howard is that great... im really glad we signed conks...

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 05:48 PM
i actually dont think howard is that great... im really glad we signed conks...

I'm beginning to think that too... although he did look good last year in the what two games he played in for the Wings?

I hear Larsson is looking pretty good in GR though, and is now platooning with Jimmy.

phaneuf6
12-18-2008, 05:52 PM
Just curious to hear from you guys on Datsyuk. Obviously this guy is a filthy player and I drafted him expecting close to 100pts outta him. What's going on there? It's not like he's got bad linemates or anything so whats his deal?

two24four
12-18-2008, 05:55 PM
I'm beginning to think that too... although he did look good last year in the what two games he played in for the Wings?

I hear Larsson is looking pretty good in GR though, and is now platooning with Jimmy.

You guys have Thomas McCollum coming up as well, he's in the OHL right now with Guelph. McCollum will also be on Team USA at the WJHC's.

mrtybrodur30
12-18-2008, 06:05 PM
almost game time and i cant wait. Sharks are playing a b2b but i dont think that will be a problem as these guys know this is a big game and will come out really hungry for a win tonight. should be a very interesting game. GO SHARKS!!

mrtybrodur30
12-18-2008, 09:44 PM
damn what a terrible game the Sharks have played, they dominated the first 10 minutes and then the game totally changed when franzen got that goal. this is the WORST i have seen Nabokov in a really long time he let in a few goals he usually stops no problem, oh well hopefully they learn something from this loss and dont do it again haha.

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Just curious to hear from you guys on Datsyuk. Obviously this guy is a filthy player and I drafted him expecting close to 100pts outta him. What's going on there? It's not like he's got bad linemates or anything so whats his deal?

3 points for you tonight :)

Edit: make that 4 :D


damn what a terrible game the Sharks have played, they dominated the first 10 minutes and then the game totally changed when franzen got that goal. this is the WORST i have seen Nabokov in a really long time he let in a few goals he usually stops no problem, oh well hopefully they learn something from this loss and dont do it again haha.

:D:D:D

phaneuf6
12-18-2008, 09:53 PM
3 points for you tonight :)

Edit: make that 4 :D


Yeah I saw that lol. Last time I call him out!

WinnipegWingnut
12-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Yeah I saw that lol. Last time I call him out!

No please... do it again :D

phaneuf6
12-18-2008, 10:11 PM
No please... do it again :D
Next year! haha.

So that's quite the message the Wings sent tonight..

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
12-19-2008, 01:07 AM
Nabby looked like shit. I was surprised Boucher didn't play. That being said, Sharks were totally owned, outplayed in every aspect, and honestly, they looked really disinterested for some reason? B2B but that is no freaking excuse. To be honest though, I'm actually glad they lost this game (especially in such a dominating ASS KICKING fashion) The team will learn more from this loss than they would have with another win. I could think of no other team I'd rather have delivered it.

chgorman
12-19-2008, 08:22 AM
Nabby looked like shit. I was surprised Boucher didn't play. That being said, Sharks were totally owned, outplayed in every aspect, and honestly, they looked really disinterested for some reason? B2B but that is no freaking excuse. To be honest though, I'm actually glad they lost this game (especially in such a dominating ASS KICKING fashion) The team will learn more from this loss than they would have with another win. I could think of no other team I'd rather have delivered it.

Wow, never thought I'd hear that! ;):lol:

Seriously though, good post Sponge. I understand what you're getting at.

TBH, SJ was looking great - dominating even (sog were 9-2) - until that first goal (WTF Nabby, BTW? Sleeping? Biggest 'WTF moment' for me so far this season), but that goal (and the one soon after) just completely deflated them, cause they were looking great up until that point. They looked pretty average after that. I think if that first goal doesn't go in, it's a completely different gm, and likely would've gone SJ's way if they were able to keep up the same intensity level, as they were playing very well prior to those goals.

And this isn't directed at you Sponge, just for anybody using the B2B excuse... The Wings were playing the 2nd gm of a B2B when they lost to SJ in SJ earlier in the year (I think it was 4-2 SJ?), after playing ANA the night before, so it goes both ways. At least you guys got to play CBJ the night before, lol.

Anyways, can't wait for their next mtg in Jan @SJ! Should be a good one!

chgorman
12-22-2008, 04:17 PM
So... with Ozzy potentially out, anyone else excited to hopefully see Jimmy Howard get another NHL start? last year in his limited action he looked great in the big leagues, eventhough he's been sub par for GR to date I hear.

There was an article about them being handcuffed in regards to Howard being called up. It basically said that they don't have enough cap space to call Howard up without sending anybody down, but everybody they could send down would have to pass through waivers, and it would turn into a Quincey situation, where they'd likely lose whomever they tried to send down (likely Meech, who they don't want to lose after losing Quincey, especially because of his veratility in being a solid D as well as the ability to be a decent 4th liner). So their options are literally to put Oz on long term IR to free up the cap space, which they don't want to do, or have Conks start, with Oz backing up, and hope Oz isn't forced to play, so that his injury can heal in the meantime.

Long story short, don't expect to see Howard at all this year unless they can find a way to clear enough space to bring him up. By the time they figure that out, Oz will probably be healthy.

Unfortunate, 'cause I woulda like to see Howard get a couple gms in, but from the sounds of things, Howard isn't likely gonna be in the long term plans anyways unless he significantly picks up his level of play. Larsson is currently outplaying him down in GR, and this McCollum kid really sounds like the real deal. He's been amazing for Guleph (OHL) so far this year, and will likely be battling for a spot in GR next year. If he has a solid WJC for the US, well, I'll just say that it's not lookin' good for Jimmy.

Hockeyis#1
12-23-2008, 09:04 AM
I still think Howard's mediocre play COULD stem from a attitude about not being Ozzy's backup. How many "next year" can he have before he's like "fuck this"?

Good thing Conk's been playing better than Ozzy.

chgorman
12-23-2008, 04:38 PM
I still think Howard's mediocre play COULD stem from a attitude about not being Ozzy's backup. How many "next year" can he have before he's like "fuck this"?

Good thing Conk's been playing better than Ozzy.

It's not like he's been tearing up the AHL or really done much to prove to the team that he's ready to be an NHL calibre goalie. He had a decent season last year, but even then he was pretty inconsistent. Now he's got somebody challenging him in GR (Larsson), and he's not rising to the challenge. That's not a good sign.

I guess what I'm saying is that he's not entitled to anything, and shouldn't expect to be handed the backup job behind Oz until he proves that he deserves it, which he hasn't really done yet, and obviously the team agrees. If they felt he was ready, they wouldn't have signed Conks, and Howard would be backing up Oz, but Holland is no dummy. If he felt Howard wasn't ready and that they needed to sign a more capable backup, then that's probably what they had to do, and that's what they did.

It's unfortunate for Jimmy, 'cause I had high hopes for him and things were looking pretty good there at times last season, but if he's got an attitude issue from not being in the NHL right now, and it's affecting his play as you're suggesting... well... he needs to grow the fuck up, dump the sense of entitlement, and realize that a job in the NHL isn't just handed to you 'cause you've hung around for a couple years in the AHL, unless you earn it. If he's gonna sulk about it and let it affect his game in a negative fashion, he's probably not mature enough to play in the NHL in the first place. Like I said earlier, he'd better shape up soon, cause this McCollum kid is playing like gangbusters in Guelph right now, and will likely be looking to take Howard's job in GR as soon as next year (assuming Howard is still there, of course).

Hockeyis#1
12-26-2008, 09:02 PM
He'd be nice trade bait...assuming we need something

WinnipegWingnut
12-27-2008, 11:21 AM
He'd be nice trade bait...assuming we need something


With McCullom and Larsson we could definitely deal Jimmy if we wanted. I don't know what we'd need though.... maybe a solid checking forward to replace Maltby or Draps once they do hang em up?

Spartan
12-27-2008, 11:30 AM
With McCullom and Larsson we could definitely deal Jimmy if we wanted. I don't know what we'd need though.... maybe a solid checking forward to replace Maltby or Draps once they do hang em up?Justin
Abdelkader:dunno:.

chgorman
01-09-2009, 03:29 PM
So, the wifey got us tix to the gm Sat vs. BUF for my big 3-0 bday! Headin' to the Hockeytown Cafe for dinner/drinks before, then headin' to the game. Anybody else from HI planning on being at the game?

Also, any of you guys been to the Hockeytown Cafe before? What's the story? Checked it out a bit online, looks pretty cool. Anything I should be aware of or look for while I'm there? Is the food decent?

We're gonna try to get to the JLA about an hour early too... do they let ppl in that much before the game? Anything I should be on the lookout for while at the Joe?

TIA to anybody with some input.

Can't wait! My two fave teams!

WinnipegWingnut
01-09-2009, 06:45 PM
Can't wait! My two fave teams!

Two fav teams??? Buffalo??? oh chgor..... :\

Hamsterkill
01-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Two fav teams??? Buffalo??? oh chgor..... :\
What's wrong with Buff? :mad:

Hockeyis#1
01-11-2009, 07:43 AM
What's wrong with Buff? :mad:
They're a team with underachievers (Hecht, AFINOGENOV) and injury prone guys (Connelly, Hecht, Gaustad). Not to mention they are inconsistent.

And the Sabres owners are cheapskates and have let countless talent walk away for nothing (Briere, Drury, Cambell, Hasek, etc)

but hey, this is the Red Wings thread....

mrtybrodur30
01-11-2009, 10:48 AM
So, the wifey got us tix to the gm Sat vs. BUF for my big 3-0 bday! Headin' to the Hockeytown Cafe for dinner/drinks before, then headin' to the game. Anybody else from HI planning on being at the game?

Also, any of you guys been to the Hockeytown Cafe before? What's the story? Checked it out a bit online, looks pretty cool. Anything I should be aware of or look for while I'm there? Is the food decent?

We're gonna try to get to the JLA about an hour early too... do they let ppl in that much before the game? Anything I should be on the lookout for while at the Joe?

TIA to anybody with some input.

Can't wait! My two fave teams!how was the game? looked like a pretty good one i watched the last 10 min of the third and saw the last 2 goals for detroit. including that nice goal by hossa.

p.s. i really REALLY hate having both the Detroit goalies in my main keeper since i kinda have to root for them to win haha

chgorman
01-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Two fav teams??? Buffalo??? oh chgor..... :\

Well, it's mostly because a) Miller is my fave goalie and 2nd fave player in the league overall, b) I'm a big Vanek fan too, and c) they're close to where I live, so I get a bunch of BUF radio stations, which allows me to follow them, and anytime I want some hockey talk on the radio, I'd MUCH rather hear talk about the Sabres than I would about the Leafs, so I'm exposed to Sabres news moreso than pretty well any other team in the league. They're a welcome respite from the insane, unavoidable amts of Leafs exposure around here.

What's wrong with BUF anyway Pegger (aside from a few of the things that H#1 mentioned)? They were arguably the most exciting team in the league to watch coming out of the lockout, and although they've taken a step or two back since then, they still play a fast, exciting gm.


how was the game? looked like a pretty good one i watched the last 10 min of the third and saw the last 2 goals for detroit. including that nice goal by hossa.

p.s. i really REALLY hate having both the Detroit goalies in my main keeper since i kinda have to root for them to win haha

It was a solid gm, nothing too spectacular, but the Wings won, and Miller played very well despite losing, so I was pretty happy (being a big fan of Miller, as well as the Wings, obviously). Too bad Kron wasn't able to play, as I was really looking forward to him laying a big hit or two, and the game ended up being probably the least physical game I've seen in a while, but it was still throughly enjoyable nonetheless.

Couldn't believe the number of Sabres fans at the game! I mean, I know BUF isn't that far away, and by no means were they outnumbering DET fans, but there were definitely a bunch of 'em making their presence known, being loud, going nuts when BUF scored the 1st goal of the game, and with chants throughout, etc.

Spartan
01-12-2009, 04:54 PM
Couldn't believe the number of Sabres fans at the game! I mean, I know BUF isn't that far away, and by no means were they outnumbering DET fans, but there were definitely a bunch of 'em making their presence known, being loud, going nuts when BUF scored the 1st goal of the game, and with chants throughout, etc.Probably the Miller family.

WinnipegWingnut
01-12-2009, 06:01 PM
What's wrong with BUF anyway Pegger (aside from a few of the things that H#1 mentioned)? They were arguably the most exciting team in the league to watch coming out of the lockout, and although they've taken a step or two back since then, they still play a fast, exciting gm.


I'm just busting your balls buddy ;)

Nice to hear you got to watch yet another Red Wing win in person though!!! One day I want to make it to the Joe! Bring my bullet proof vest and brave it in downtown Detroit! :lol:

(I don't own a bullet proof vest by the way :D)

Hockeyis#1
01-12-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm just busting your balls buddy ;)

Nice to hear you got to watch yet another Red Wing win in person though!!! One day I want to make it to the Joe! Bring my bullet proof vest and brave it in downtown Detroit! :lol:

(I don't own a bullet proof vest by the way :D)
See if Jeff has a spare

WinnipegWingnut
01-13-2009, 01:28 PM
See if Jeff has a spare

:lol:

I'd have to guess yes.

beanz
01-15-2009, 04:38 PM
I'm just busting your balls buddy ;)

Nice to hear you got to watch yet another Red Wing win in person though!!! One day I want to make it to the Joe! Bring my bullet proof vest and brave it in downtown Detroit! :lol:

(I don't own a bullet proof vest by the way :D)

oh, you don't need a bullet proof vest, you just need to be able to run and spin really fast...you know... dodging ability. think of Jim Carrey in Me, Myself, and Irene.

i've gotten by just fine with those methods when i go to Wings or Tigers games.

WinnipegWingnut
01-16-2009, 08:37 AM
oh, you don't need a bullet proof vest, you just need to be able to run and spin really fast...you know... dodging ability. think of Jim Carrey in Me, Myself, and Irene.

i've gotten by just fine with those methods when i go to Wings or Tigers games.

Hahaha..... solid tips!

How bout that... another beating last night by the Wings... mind you it was the Kings, but either way I hope people realize we are still the top team in the league and it's only a matter of time before we pass SJ :evilgrin:

alias
01-16-2009, 11:44 AM
Hahaha..... solid tips!

How bout that... another beating last night by the Wings... mind you it was the Kings, but either way I hope people realize we are still the top team in the league and it's only a matter of time before we pass SJ :evilgrin:

are you forgetting about Boston? 1pt ahead of SJ right now....

Dubz
01-16-2009, 11:54 AM
are you forgetting about Boston? 1pt ahead of SJ right now....

Yeah but Im pretty sure Pegger is more concerned with a playoff/home ice position here.

WinnipegWingnut
01-16-2009, 01:39 PM
Yeah but Im pretty sure Pegger is more concerned with a playoff/home ice position here.

I am.... although another President's Trophy wouldn't hurt :p

mrtybrodur30
01-16-2009, 01:52 PM
Hahaha..... solid tips!

How bout that... another beating last night by the Wings... mind you it was the Kings, but either way I hope people realize we are still the top team in the league and it's only a matter of time before we pass SJ :evilgrin:we'll see about that, Sharks are gonna take it too the wings especially after last night. They are not going to want to be 2nd to the wings.

also either way though whoever comes out 1st in the west at the end of the season i think will take the presidents trophy.

WinnipegWingnut
01-17-2009, 08:22 AM
we'll see about that, Sharks are gonna take it too the wings especially after last night. They are not going to want to be 2nd to the wings.

also either way though whoever comes out 1st in the west at the end of the season i think will take the presidents trophy.

You guys will fold again marty! haha

Nah, we should have a solid race with you guys, and possibly Chicago and Anaheim. I'm hoping Dallas can pick it up though, they are a much better team then their record says they are.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-18-2009, 12:18 AM
Damn. What's with Wasgood and the Wings always knocking off their own net? Embarrassing.

Hell of a boxing match tonight though. Regardless of who wins this game a SJ/Detroit playoff series looks to be one of the fiery greats.

DarkValiant
01-18-2009, 01:15 AM
Best game of the season, easily. SJ-Wings was a beast game.

Not unexpected that the Wings lost in the Tank, though. I would imagine the Home team in all 4 games takes the win.

Kyle
01-18-2009, 05:08 AM
Incredible game.

Phaneuf, since your post on 12/18, Datsyuk has gotten 26 points in 15 games. Ask and you shall recieve.

Hockeyis#1
01-18-2009, 05:26 AM
Ask and you shall recieve.
can ozzy post a .900 SV%? for the rest of the year on avg?

eykwingnut
01-18-2009, 06:00 AM
Damn. What's with Wasgood and the Wings always knocking off their own net? Embarrassing.

Hell of a boxing match tonight though. Regardless of who wins this game a SJ/Detroit playoff series looks to be one of the fiery greats.
i didnt see the game yet since i had to work a double and was extremely tired, but ive seen every game this season and can say that this is a ridiculous statement...

WinnipegWingnut
01-18-2009, 10:12 AM
Note to self.... bench the Detroit and SJ tenders when they play each other.... haha

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-18-2009, 11:17 AM
i didnt see the game yet since i had to work a double and was extremely tired, but ive seen every game this season and can say that this is a ridiculous statement...

I never watch Detroit unless they are playing the Pens or the Sharks and all I can say is... well they purposely did it at least twice last night while the Sharks were attacking, and they were penalized a delay of game for it, so it mustn't be that ridiculous :p

Either way, Ozzy is a diver and a net knocker, not sure how even the most hard core Redwings fan can deny it. Also, last night really was a great game.. Sharks showed a lot of mettle last night.. gotta get that monkey off their back and know/believe that they can beat the Wings as I got a feeling these two teams will be meeting in the post season. Home Ice advantage just became especially important, I think.

MrScientist
01-18-2009, 11:27 AM
I never watch Detroit unless they are playing the Pens or the Sharks and all I can say is... well they purposely did it at least twice last night while the Sharks were attacking, and they were penalized a delay of game for it, so it mustn't be that ridiculous :p

Either way, Ozzy is a diver and a net knocker, not sure how even the most hard core Redwings fan can deny it. Also, last night really was a great game.. Sharks showed a lot of mettle last night.. gotta get that monkey off their back and know/believe that they can beat the Wings as I got a feeling these two teams will be meeting in the post season. Home Ice advantage just became especially important, I think.

Home ice will matter, but the Wings are a tremendous road team at the same time.

DarkValiant
01-18-2009, 12:34 PM
I never watch Detroit unless they are playing the Pens or the Sharks and all I can say is... well they purposely did it at least twice last night while the Sharks were attacking, and they were penalized a delay of game for it, so it mustn't be that ridiculous :p

Either way, Ozzy is a diver and a net knocker, not sure how even the most hard core Redwings fan can deny it. Also, last night really was a great game.. Sharks showed a lot of mettle last night.. gotta get that monkey off their back and know/believe that they can beat the Wings as I got a feeling these two teams will be meeting in the post season. Home Ice advantage just became especially important, I think.

Wait.. waiiit... Nabokov? Like the pot calling the kettle black.

2-1 series lead for the Sharks right now, they don't meet again until late Feb at the Joe.

beanz
01-19-2009, 12:09 PM
both goalies were knocking the net off the other night. ozzy was called for it, but wow, you can't tell me nabokov wasn't doing it either? it's part of the game and ALL goalies do it. It's been a great series, was finally glad both teams were able to play fresh instead of one team coming off a game the night before. These two teams are by far the best in the NHL (forgive me Boston, Chicago, and Pitt fans)

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
01-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Really? I honestly don't remember seeing Nabby knock his own net off even once......... not to say he didn't b/c if you guys saw it it must have happened. Maybe Ozzy and Cleary ( I think that's who it was) were just a little more blatant about it or maybe I was watching through teal colored goggles. Dunno.

eykwingnut
01-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Really? I honestly don't remember seeing Nabby knock his own net off even once......... not to say he didn't b/c if you guys saw it it must have happened. Maybe Ozzy and Cleary ( I think that's who it was) were just a little more blatant about it or maybe I was watching through teal colored goggles. Dunno.
im watching the game on my dvr right now. i just saw nabby make a nice dive as sammy skated by, so it goes both ways. regardless, if these teams dont meet each other in the playoffs, ill be pissed.

Kyle
01-19-2009, 09:38 PM
Ok, this might exile me from the family, but come on guys. Nabby isn't perfect, no goalie is, but Ozzy is a little pussy, no ifs ands or butts about it, and he does dive and knock the net off often.

Yes, it goes both ways, it always does, but one way goes a lot farther than the other. I'm a Wasgood fan, but theres no denying that he can be a skeevy little bitch.

DarkValiant
01-20-2009, 03:13 PM
Ok, this might exile me from the family, but come on guys. Nabby isn't perfect, no goalie is, but Ozzy is a little pussy, no ifs ands or butts about it, and he does dive and knock the net off often.

Yes, it goes both ways, it always does, but one way goes a lot farther than the other. I'm a Wasgood fan, but theres no denying that he can be a skeevy little bitch.

Seems to me most goalies are these days.

Kyle
01-20-2009, 06:13 PM
Yeah, the league is more to blame than anything. They've done NOTHING to address this, if anything all the hype regarding players crashing the net and screening goalies has simply contributed to the likelyhood that a goalie does some bullshit like knocking off a net or diving.

chgorman
01-21-2009, 10:34 AM
Damn. What's with Wasgood and the Wings always knocking off their own net? Embarrassing.

Hell of a boxing match tonight though. Regardless of who wins this game a SJ/Detroit playoff series looks to be one of the fiery greats.

'Always'? that's a bit much. It happens once in a while. Every goalie does it.

Damn. What's with Nabby ALWAYS diving? Embarassing. ;)

That aside, I completely agree, phenominal game. If these two teams don't meet in the playoffs, it'll be a travesty. If they do, it'll likely be one of the greatest playoff series ever, if the game Saturday was any indication.


I never watch Detroit unless they are playing the Pens or the Sharks and all I can say is... well they purposely did it at least twice last night while the Sharks were attacking, and they were penalized a delay of game for it, so it mustn't be that ridiculous :p

Either way, Ozzy is a diver and a net knocker, not sure how even the most hard core Redwings fan can deny it. Also, last night really was a great game.. Sharks showed a lot of mettle last night.. gotta get that monkey off their back and know/believe that they can beat the Wings as I got a feeling these two teams will be meeting in the post season. Home Ice advantage just became especially important, I think.

(re: underlined comment) That's a bit of a stretch. Oz did it, and it was likely on purpose based on the replays, but the 2nd time, the one that was actually penalized, was Filppula, and maybe I'm looking at it through red coloured glasses, but it did not look like it was on purpose to me. It looked to me like he was off balance and fell into the net while trying to get back out front. Maybe he just disguised it well, or maybe I just didn't see a good replay, but it did not look like he did it on purpose to me.

(re: bolded comment) I agree, Oz is pretty cheesy when it comes to stuff like that, but as has been mentioned numerous times already, it goes both ways. Nabokov going down like he was shot in the face with a 357 magnum after BARELY being brushed by a Wings player (and thus drawing a goalie interference penalty when he shoulda got a diving penalty) is equally as - if not more - cheesy than anything Oz did that gm, and Sharks fans can't really deny it.


Wait.. waiiit... Nabokov? Like the pot calling the kettle black.

Exactly


both goalies were knocking the net off the other night. ozzy was called for it, but wow, you can't tell me nabokov wasn't doing it either? it's part of the game and ALL goalies do it. It's been a great series, was finally glad both teams were able to play fresh instead of one team coming off a game the night before. These two teams are by far the best in the NHL (forgive me Boston, Chicago, and Pitt fans)

Agreed and agreed


Ok, this might exile me from the family, but come on guys. Nabby isn't perfect, no goalie is, but Ozzy is a little pussy, no ifs ands or butts about it, and he does dive and knock the net off often.

Yes, it goes both ways, it always does, but one way goes a lot farther than the other. I'm a Wasgood fan, but theres no denying that he can be a skeevy little bitch.

I agree, and as much as I like Oz, I hate it when he pulls crap like that. That said, show me a goalie who doesn't do those things every once in a while. Oz just does it too much.


Seems to me most goalies are these days.

Exactly


Yeah, the league is more to blame than anything. They've done NOTHING to address this, if anything all the hype regarding players crashing the net and screening goalies has simply contributed to the likelyhood that a goalie does some bullshit like knocking off a net or diving.

Agreed on the league not doing anything, but IMO, the blame needs to be shared. The league has to do something about it, and these goalies need to show better sportsmanship. Unfortunately, I don't see either happening anytime soon, considering all the other issues the league is dealing with now, combined with most goalies being fully prepared to do whatever it takes to win, even if it means bending/breaking the rules and tossing sportsmanship out the window.
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All that said, it was a phenominal game by both teams, throughly enjoyable, easily the best game I've seen so far this year, so let's put aside this petty net-knocking/diving issue and just enjoy the game for what it was - a great match from both sides , fast paced action at both ends, with a playoff-type intensity. I'm counting the days until the next gm between these two.

Kyle
01-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Well as long as the league treats goalies like million dollar china sets, they'll continue to act fragile and want to take advantage of it. If mommy gives you 20 dollars when you cry enough, you're gonna spend a large portion of your childhood crying. The league just needs to stop calling every time a player gets remotely close or minorly brushes against a clearly embilishing goalie, and the goalies will take the hint in due time.

eykwingnut
01-21-2009, 01:55 PM
lidstrom and datyuk both pulled out of the all-star game with "injuries"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=405411

chgorman
01-21-2009, 02:01 PM
Well as long as the league treats goalies like million dollar china sets, they'll continue to act fragile and want to take advantage of it. If mommy gives you 20 dollars when you cry enough, you're gonna spend a large portion of your childhood crying. The league just needs to stop calling every time a player gets remotely close or minorly brushes against a clearly embilishing goalie, and the goalies will take the hint in due time.

Yeah, I hear ya. In a perfect world, these goalies would clean up their acts and play with a little more sportsmanship, but sadly, that'll never happen, so you're right, it's gonna hafta be up to the league to do something. Unfortunately, it's probably the last thing on their minds right now with all the other issues they're dealing with. Bigger fish to fry.

chgorman
01-21-2009, 02:02 PM
lidstrom and datyuk both pulled out of the all-star game with "injuries"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=405411

I heard Dats is dealing with hip flexor issues, but any word on what Lids' problem is? Hopefully it's nothing serious and he just wants to get some rest for the stretch run.