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chgorman
04-05-2013, 08:21 AM
Embarrassing. Such an important must-win game, and they lose to PHX's 3rd string goalie. Brutal. This team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs if they can't win those types of games. If they don't win tonight in COL, playoffs are HIGHLY unlikely given the remaining sched.

chgorman
04-05-2013, 09:55 AM
Filppula looking for $5mil + on his next contract..... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Funniest thing I've seen in a long time, haha! If his 2013 season even remotely resembled his 2012 season, I'd say $4-$4.5 per yr *might* be reasonable, but what on earth makes him/his agent think he deserves anything over $3-3.5 per yr based on his 2013 production so far? Unbelievable.

Too bad the guy just can't seem to reach his full potential and consistently play at a high level, because he's got tons of talent, been surrounded by top talent his entire career, and the organization had high hopes for him, but if Kenny H caves and gives Filp anything over $4 mil per yr, he should be fired. I know, it sounds harsh, but Filp has been a HUGE disappointment this season and his current contact demands (assuming the reports I'm reading are true) are out of this world ridiculous.

Really too bad because I really believed he had turned the corner this past season (2012). Apparently, I was wrong.

Kyle
04-06-2013, 06:06 AM
Kyle Quincey with -2 on a night we allowed 2 goals including an unforgivable breakdown on an easy defensive play on the 2nd goal. Him and Ian White are far and beyond the Red Wings biggest rivals this year. Night in and night out, they accomplish more than the rest of the NHL combined in striving to make us lose games.

chgorman
04-06-2013, 08:26 PM
On the bright side, DeKeyser looked comfortable out there and played a solid game.

Spartan
04-12-2013, 01:26 PM
6 years for Howard? I don't care about the money but what did Howard ever do to deserve more than 3 years considering what is in Grand Rapids. Typical Holland move, overvalues his own roster.

phaneuf6
04-12-2013, 02:29 PM
6 years for Howard? I don't care about the money but what did Howard ever do to deserve more than 3 years considering what is in Grand Rapids. Typical Holland move, overvalues his own roster.

Thought the same when I saw the term as well..

Kyle
04-12-2013, 03:09 PM
Are you fucking high? Both of you sound plain dumb. What has Howard done to deserve this? Oh, I don't know, maybe allowed our team to COMPLETELY put the entire load on his shoulders and turn around a 17-year streak of carrying mediocre goaltending? 17 years of Goaltending being unanimously our weakest area behind offense and defense, and Howard in one single year turned goaltending into our biggest strength, which it has remained for 3 years now. What the fuck else does he possibly have to do? Hes dragged a struggling team to the playoffs 3 years in a row by virtue of his regular season heroics and has been nothing short of fantastic in the playoffs for us.

Howard has played like a top 5 goalie in this league for nearly 4 years now, with one semi-off year more due to the team than his own struggles. Hes the only reason the Wings haven't regressed into a non-playoff team yet. By far the best goaltending we've enjoyed in my entire 20+ years of cheering for this team, locking Howard up for 6 years is a blessing from above and I'm ecstatic to know we'll have no questions in net until at least 2020.

"Typical Holland move" is not a valid statement if it doesn't preceed a compliment. The overwhelmingly best GM in all professional sports currently deserves that much respect. For every player you can name that he overvalued, I'll name you a star he signed for well under market value. Sitting there acting like Holland has some issue assigning proper contracts just because Franzen has disappointed a bunch simply isn't fair. No one wins 100% of their decisions. You must be spoiled to fucking hell as a Wings fan to possibly think they have an issue overvaluing some players, compared to other teams especially. Disagreeing with one of his decisions is fine, but calling it a "typically bad move" is ignorant, go ahead and scope who just got voted overwhelmingly the best GM in hockey to see proof of that. You almost sound like you'd prefer someone else. Get fucking real.

Anyone watching games knows Howard has performed way better than his already stellar numbers imply over the last 4 seasons (As in even better than his amazing .919 sv% since his rookie year). He is easily a top 5 goalie in this league considering long-term value. We couldn't have locked him up long enough, I don't care who else is waiting in Grand Rapids because we've dealt with enough hype and disappointment from goalies. Howard is the only true success in net for over 20 years now and it was crucial to lock him up.

This is honestly hilarious to me, because it implies that people out there don't understand that Howard is the ONLY reason we haven't been a TERRIBLE hockey team for years. You guys need a fucking clue, badly. I thought it was well established that Howard has been our night in shining armor and our savior. The Wings have scored 11 goals in 7 games and are bordering ineptitude on the ice, yet remain in playoff contention thanks to 1 single player. Howard is the Red Wings right now.

phaneuf6
04-12-2013, 03:14 PM
Jimmy Howard is not even close to being a top 5 goalie in this league. He's mid-tier at best. 6 years is an eternity with Mrazek coming up.

Kyle
04-12-2013, 03:21 PM
Wrong, but thats okay, you're judging box scores (Even though statistically you could still make a good top 5 argument over the last 4 seasons). Anyone actually watching games sees a goalie making saves he has no business making, constantly, and keeping a team in games they have no business hanging around in. Defensively we've played a small step above Buffalo most of the season. Howard is all of our success this year. Easily top 5 talent and I say that assuming we all understand how fragile a top 5 goalie list is (Remember when Ryan Miller and nobody else could be argued as #1). 8 out of 10 good goaltending stories are a product of their system. Howard isn't. Our system has been pathetic in front of him since hes taken over 4 years ago. The system is being carried by Howard now. You always lock up a goalie who proves he can do it regardless of whats going on in front of him, and there definitely aren't 5 of those in the league right now. Love the contract.

Kyle
04-12-2013, 03:30 PM
Behind mediocre defense at best (Even Lidstrom was barely good defensively his last few seasons, really become an offensive specialist) Howard is on pace for a top 5-7 career save % in NHL history (The stat LEAST dependent on systems and most revealing of a goaltender). Before anyone tries to credit that to the system, remember that at the PRIME of that system, with possibly the best blue line unit in NHL history, Red Wings goalies were routinely peaking out at sub .900 or below. Now when the blue line unit is incredibly worse (Not even a shell of the 98-2005 roster) and allowing more quality chances than I've ever had to watch as a Red Wings fan for 22+ years now, we're seeing a goaltender consistently hover around .920, which is nothing short of remarkable. I'm surprised its apparently still such a well-kept secret that Howard is a very top tier goaltender in this league, but he is, that much is hardly opinionated anymore as far as I'm concerned. I don't think anyone who knows better would ever deny that he belongs in that category.

Hamsterkill
04-12-2013, 03:40 PM
I must admit I'm a little confused by the criticism of the term for Howard. I don't know for sure that I'd put him in the top-5, but he's definitely one of the better goalies in the league and probably the main reason Detroit's still fighting for a playoff spot this year. A 6 year term takes him right to the end of what's generally considered prime years for a goalie, too.

Mrazek looks like he'll be good and all, but he's still rather unproven, isn't he? In any case, Howard does not appear the type of goalie you only use while you look for something better. Howard was the something better that was looked for.

Kyle
04-13-2013, 05:04 PM
Mrazek looks like he'll be good and all, but he's still rather unproven, isn't he? In any case, Howard does not appear the type of goalie you only use while you look for something better. Howard was the something better that was looked for.

Yeah, this is what amazes me also. Howard was the answer to 15+ years of prayer, I don't understand how some avid fans of the league could miss how incredible hes been for Detroit these last few seasons and how responsible he is for the continuation of the playoff streak. You never ever project a prospect to play as well at the top level as Howard has been, no matter how much promise a young goalie has. When you get that incredibly rare consistent success in this league, you lock him up. If someone else truly can challenge his job over the next few seasons, whats the big deal? By the time that guy might need to get paid, they'll be near the end of Howard's 6 years. The term doesn't introduce any issues, I'm surprised Holland isn't getting his due praise for waiting 15 years before finally trusting the right goalie with this kind of contract.

I remember people projecting the Wings to come up just short despite Presidents after Presidents just because of the goaltending issue. CuJo, Vernor,Osgood, old Hasek, Conklin, Legace, MacDonald. The Wings couldn't escape skepticism and doubt surrounding their goalies for well over a decade, and Holland was criticized constantly for not doing more about it (Even despite the results obviously speaking for themselves). But he was simply wisely waiting, installing placeholder after placeholder after placeholder until someone within the system was ready to shine (So we wouldn't have to make the grave mistake others make, of hurting the team just for a better goalie). Here he is, and hes shining bright despite a team crumbling around him, and single-handedly keeping that team relevant - no shit Holland was going to lock him up long term.

WIS
04-14-2013, 11:28 PM
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Was at the Wings game when they played the Sharks a couple of nights ago. Here are just a few shots I took and some notes.

Howard is pretty good. I don't want to start another debate, but he kept them in this game. The Sharks were just better and it showed. Watching Marleau and Thornton (he's a big presence out there) play together is great watching chemistry like that. They know where each of them are at all times. Niemi had some nice saves in the game as well and he got real lucky in the shootout when, I forget who it was, tried a spin-o-rama on him and Niemi had his pad out just enough to save it, but the player could've netted it with the open space. Although, sitting on Howard's side I really got to see what kind of goalie he was and he had no chance on the goals that were scored on him and the ones that were manageable he had some real beauties. Overall a fun, tight and exciting game to be a part of even though I had no preference on who won.

I have Niemi and Brunner on my fantasy squad this year, but since I had a bye this week there was no cheering one way or the other. OK, I admit it's fun to get into it with the Joe Louis crowd so you can say I was a bit more on their side ;)

Kyle
04-15-2013, 12:23 AM
Nice seats man! I agree, Sharks had their number all game, the Wings were gifted a point by Howard. Sadly thats been the status quo for them most of the season.

Until this season, Sharks vs Wings has always been my favorite matchups (Next to Wings vs Hawks and maybe Vancouver). Its tough to watch now though. The Thornton line dominates them and they do no better vs Pavelski and Couture.

Great win tonight, another gem by, dare I say it? Jimmy Howard with the shutout and a heroic 1st period that Nashville should've scored 2 goals during

WIS
04-15-2013, 01:51 AM
Nice seats man! I agree, Sharks had their number all game, the Wings were gifted a point by Howard. Sadly thats been the status quo for them most of the season.

Until this season, Sharks vs Wings has always been my favorite matchups (Next to Wings vs Hawks and maybe Vancouver). Its tough to watch now though. The Thornton line dominates them and they do no better vs Pavelski and Couture.

Great win tonight, another gem by, dare I say it? Jimmy Howard with the shutout and a heroic 1st period that Nashville should've scored 2 goals during
10th row ain't bad, eh ;) Ya really enjoy watching that matchup. I've seen them play Chicago too (much closer - 4th row :P ) and that is an exciting matchup as well.

Ya I've noticed that too when they play against Pavelski and Couture, I think I counted only 2 good scoring chances by those 2 and that's it; they really kept those guys in check whereas Thornton/Marleau those guys just seem to find each other wherever they are on the ice and Thornton is a hell of a passer.

Good SHO tonight too, keeping it close in the standings.

phaneuf6
04-15-2013, 09:37 AM
I'm just not a Howard fan then apparently. :lol: I've watched quite a bit of him before this season and he's never instilled confidence for me.

Any word if they will ever knock that shithole Joe Louis Arena down and build the Wings a new barn? A lot of history and not a bad place to watch a hockey game, but man oh man, what a hole.

chgorman
04-15-2013, 11:59 AM
I believe the state has already confirmed that they will either fully or at least significantly help fund a new arena for the Wings. I'm not sure of any plans in the works, let alone an expected completion date, but it sounds like the ball is starting to roll on it.

Was kinda surprised to read that news a few months ago considering the absolutely atrocious financial state that the state of Michigan is currently in, but I guess you gotta spend $$ to make $$ and I imagine the Wings are one of the few major entities in the state that are actually providing jobs and helping to bringing some $$ in for the state, so they probably deserve the support.

edit: just found these links with some info...

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/02/construction_on_detroit_red_wi.html

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/12/05/sp-nhl-hockey-detroit-red-wings-tax-money-michigan-new-arena.html

WIS
04-16-2013, 12:49 PM
I'm just not a Howard fan then apparently. :lol: I've watched quite a bit of him before this season and he's never instilled confidence for me.

Any word if they will ever knock that shithole Joe Louis Arena down and build the Wings a new barn? A lot of history and not a bad place to watch a hockey game, but man oh man, what a hole.
Yah that's the only downfall. That place is so antiquated that it needs an upgrade badly.

I believe the state has already confirmed that they will either fully or at least significantly help fund a new arena for the Wings. I'm not sure of any plans in the works, let alone an expected completion date, but it sounds like the ball is starting to roll on it.

Was kinda surprised to read that news a few months ago considering the absolutely atrocious financial state that the state of Michigan is currently in, but I guess you gotta spend $$ to make $$ and I imagine the Wings are one of the few major entities in the state that are actually providing jobs and helping to bringing some $$ in for the state, so they probably deserve the support.

edit: just found these links with some info...

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/02/construction_on_detroit_red_wi.html

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/12/05/sp-nhl-hockey-detroit-red-wings-tax-money-michigan-new-arena.html
From everything I've heard locally it's going to happen in the next 2 year for sure.

Kyle
04-17-2013, 11:06 PM
Every fucking goal we allow is complete and utter fucking nonsense. What a garbage game to throwaway to a team that didn't do a fucking thing all game. Should've been 6-1, this was the hardest loss to watch all year easily. Fuck a playoff run if we're capable of this.

Edit - And theres a lucky goal right back for us. 2:30 to tie this up and redeem this fucking mess.

Edit 2 - Nope. Back to "Fuck the playoffs." Honestly, this is the worst loss of the year by far and we handed it away.

Maybe the highest "fuck : other words" ratio in HI history but this disgusting night of hockey fucking earned it.

Kyle
04-21-2013, 06:05 AM
Another sickening loss where we let Howard down....How on earth can we outshoot 80-30 over a 2 game stretch and come out with a point. We are by far the worst team in the league at finishing a play.

Kyle
04-22-2013, 09:42 PM
What an amazing game by Howard and what amazing finishing(PRAISE THE LORD). Funny how the Wings score 4 goals on 23 shots and 1 goal on 24 scoring chances (39 shots) vs Van. Phoenix easily could've matched them goal for goal had it been for Howard. They outplayed the Wings and Howard made at least 6-7 brilliant saves, athletic saves. Great job getting timely powerplay goals.

There was a moment I laughed so hard at, when our 4 penalty killers were Quincy, Dekeyser, Anderson, and Brunner. 3 rookies with fucking Quincy acting as the veteran presence on the penalty kill. It truly is a new era for Red Wings hockey but it can very well develop into another very successful decade if guys like Nyquist, Brunner, Smith, and Dekeyser develop into the stars they're capable of becoming.

Howards easily the best, most classy and well-spoken Red wing to conduct an interview since Stevie Y from way back. Love hearing him.

Dubz
04-22-2013, 10:36 PM
Congrats...a few wins away from the playoffs :)

Kyle
04-22-2013, 11:25 PM
Its in their hands. The theme around the players and coaches is "We're playing the right type of hockey, just not catching the right bounces" the last week or two. So now they have the opportunity to prove that. Win 3 games, make it in no matter what CBJ and Dal does. If they can't do that they don't deserve it, I'd hate to see us limp in by virtue of Dal and CBJ tanking it.

chgorman
04-23-2013, 09:05 AM
LOVING Danny DeKeyser right now, kid is LEGIT. Looks so comfortable out there, never panics, like he's been in the league for a couple years already, not just a few weeks. His deflection of Doan's shot at the wide open net last night was a game saver and was possibly the best 'save' of the night despite Jimmy making the 6-7 great saves that Kyle mentioned. Jimmy was still the first star of the game IMO, but DD was a close 2nd, with Zetts and Brunner vying for 3rd star.

Actually looked like a playoff team last night. Good to see, finally. Now they just need to keep it up for the next 3 gms and control their own destiny.

As crazy as it sounds, I'd love to see DET and CHI go at it in the 1st round - nice and close to each other so limited travel, despite the head-to-head record and aside from 1 CHI blowout win, every game between these two teams this season has been insanely close, Wings have actually outplayed CHI in most of the games this season, and I like Jimmy over Crawford in goal, not sure Crawford (or Emery) can consistently play well enough to beat DET in a best of 4 series unless he gets a LOT of help from the team in front of him.

Still not sure why DET plays so much better against CHI and VAN than any other teams in the West, but I like their chances against either/both of those teams if they have to face either of them at any point in the playoffs (assuming the Wings make it in of course, probably getting a little ahead of myself).

alias
04-23-2013, 10:33 AM
Still not sure why DET plays so much better against CHI and VAN than any other teams in the West, but I like their chances against either/both of those teams if they have to face either of them at any point in the playoffs (assuming the Wings make it in of course, probably getting a little ahead of myself).

They play to the level of their opponent. Detroit's hasn't had that problem in 20 years and it's something Montreal has plenty of experience at. Getting past that and playing at your team's top level no matter who the opponent is is what seperates the great teams from the good teams.

Kyle
04-23-2013, 12:08 PM
Yup, I'm just glad to know our potential is still there. I was reserved to believe we're in a major rebuild and incapable of competing earlier in the season when it seemed Howard and Datsyuk were our only two competent players. Theres a chance, albeit slight, to make a serious splash all of the sudden.

Hamsterkill
04-23-2013, 02:21 PM
Yup, I'm just glad to know our potential is still there. I was reserved to believe we're in a major rebuild and incapable of competing earlier in the season when it seemed Howard and Datsyuk were our only two competent players. Theres a chance, albeit slight, to make a serious splash all of the sudden.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I may end up being wrong, but I don't see this year's Wings team having much success in the playoffs. They're not "this year's Kings" -- their defense is too shaky.

Kyle
04-23-2013, 03:44 PM
They don't need to dominate everyone like the Kings did. They've played up to the Hawks level easily in all but 1 game vs them this year, and Anaheim has been their unequivocal bitch, and would have virtually no chance vs the Wings in a best of 7. We own Van, smashed them 8-3 two games back, and outshot them 40-14 and virtually annihilated them the next game for 65 minutes while their goalie carried them to the luckiest win of their season. Vancouver wants nothing to do with Det.

They can beat Chicago. They can destroy Anahiem and Vancouver. What they lack compared to the King's defense last year they compensate with offensive upside. The Kings defense was less great than Quick was amazing, anyway. Howard can carry them too though not as often (We don't need it as often). And our defense has been infinitely better down the stretch. Offense has been our only issue for over a month and even then only for a lack of finishing which tends to fix itself.

I said "albeit a slight chance" so I wouldn't say I'm ahead of anything. Right now, San Jose is the single only first round match up I don't like our chances against. But we still gotta make it to the dance

Kyle
04-24-2013, 12:35 AM
Good lord, thank you SJ! Down 2-1 with 5 minutes to go vs Dallas and end up winning 3-2 before extra time! No points for the Stars. So, so fucking crucial for us.

Doctego
04-24-2013, 06:11 AM
Good lord, thank you SJ! Down 2-1 with 5 minutes to go vs Dallas and end up winning 3-2 before extra time! No points for the Stars. So, so fucking crucial for us.

This thread has been my recent dose of comic relief. Thank you.:lol:

Dubz
04-24-2013, 11:17 AM
Good lord, thank you SJ! Down 2-1 with 5 minutes to go vs Dallas and end up winning 3-2 before extra time! No points for the Stars. So, so fucking crucial for us.

Yeah i was watching that. You can say SJ flushed DAL playoffs chances. It was pretty exciting way to clinch a spot for the Sharks as well.

Kyle
04-24-2013, 01:54 PM
This thread has been my recent dose of comic relief. Thank you.:lol:

:lol: I was just thinking how ridiculous and bipolar these daily updates must be


Yeah i was watching that. You can say SJ flushed DAL playoffs chances. It was pretty exciting way to clinch a spot for the Sharks as well.

Thats 8 years straight now for them, right? They need to make a splash, their window is closing quick on the Thornton era.

Doctego
04-24-2013, 02:52 PM
Bipolar is the exact word that came to mind. 1 day it's "Fuck this piece of shit team! They don't deserve to make the playoffs!". A day or 2 later, it's "They can beat Chicago"! Great stuff.:lol:

chgorman
04-24-2013, 03:55 PM
Haha, I wouldn't call it bi-polar, as it's not like those two things are mutually exclusive. Just because they don't necessarily deserve to be in the playoffs doesn't mean they can't potentially beat CHI in the first round based on how well they've played against them (for the most part) this season.

Based on their inconsistency for the large majority of the season, the Wings probably still don't *deserve* to be in playoffs despite Kyle's and my excitement over the most recent win, however if they do make it in, I think they *can* (not necessarily WILL) beat CHI based on how well DET's played against them in all but 1 gm this season. Maybe that's bipolar thinking, but i prefer to call it reality with a small dose of optimism, haha

Kyle
04-24-2013, 04:53 PM
:lol: Lets just leave it at this: Its safe to say fans in hockeytown are adjusting to "moderate success." We're spoiled ;)

Kyle
04-24-2013, 04:59 PM
LOVING Danny DeKeyser right now, kid is LEGIT. Looks so comfortable out there, never panics, like he's been in the league for a couple years already, not just a few weeks. His deflection of Doan's shot at the wide open net last night was a game saver and was possibly the best 'save' of the night despite Jimmy making the 6-7 great saves that Kyle mentioned. .

DeKeyser looks scary natural out there. Him and Smith have given me something to hope for. Nyquist and Brunner are our next euro-twins and Dats/Zetts/Kronwall still have 4 productive years left to hold the fort. As I said a million times, I'm beyond sold on Howard. I like this team. We're not the same caliber as we've been as far as skaters go, but Howard over Osgood/Vernon/Legace/Old Hasek/Cujo/Macdonald bridges the gap.

All in all, this has been a freakishly successful rebuild that might not even result in a missed playoff spot. We had every excuse to be terrible this season, especially with injuries too. All hail Kenny H!

Kyle
04-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Great win, Dominated the Kings. Howard looking studly as usual. Daysyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen on fire. Playing the right hockey at the right time baby.

Kyle
04-25-2013, 11:08 PM
Wow. This team really has quietly marched its way towards fantastic hockey when it matters most. Franzens been ridiculous, Datsyuk ridiculous, Zetterberg ridiculous, Filpulla finally found his scoring touch, Cleary looks 10 years younger on the forecheck, Nyquist and Brunner produce a scoring chance every shift they're on the ice together, Eaves - Tootoo - Emerton have become among the best 4th liners in the league on both sides of the ice. Kronwall absolutely deserves to be in the top 5 Norris voting (Not even implying he should win or get anyone's 1st place vote, but hes been a top 5 D-man in the league all year). Our defense is giving up much less dumb chances (Still needs polishing) and Howards playing as good as ever (Nothing new here). We've gelled together when it matters most.

That said, it all comes down to this Saturday against a Dallas team with nothing to play for. No excuse not to win, like I said i don't want to limp in because Colombus or Minnesota loses. Keep the momentum going.

If we keep 7th place, every single hockey fan in Anaheim will cry themselves to sleep that night.

I missed all these 38-23 shot totals. Was beginning to worry they were a thing of the past. Welcome back to the party, puck possession. Jimmy Howard sure missed you.

Kyle
04-27-2013, 09:37 PM
And the entire city of Anaheim collectively shits their pants. The Red Wings are on fire, what a brilliant few weeks of hockey when they needed it most. Absolutely took command of their destiny and played above and beyond night in and night out. Too exciting to watch.

FUCK YES! 22 years straight baby. Howard caps off a brilliant season with a shutout. He played a Vezina quality season. If we didn't throw him under the bus so often through the first half of the year, he would absolutely be in the discussion. Hes on fire, 3 shutouts in 7 games, gives us a chance every single game regardless how we look in front of them. This is the best goaltending we've enjoyed in my entire life of watching the Red wings - No exaggeration at all.

Datsyuk. Zetterberg. Wow. Where to even begin with these two. Still my two favorite all around players in the NHL. Still who I consider the two best all around players in the NHL. They're so healthy and skating so fast right now, they look every bit as good as they ever have in their careers. When we needed to win 4 games straight to seal a playoff spot, those two only combined for 18 points in those 4 games. And every game it seems they could've had 3 more points than they've gotten. They were only a combined +13 over the 4 games, too. Their game is peaking on both sides of the ice - They basically spend the majority of their shifts entirely in the offensive zone, the other team never gets past center ice with these two on patrol.

Too much contributions from everyone else to keep listing. Every single forward on our roster has been brilliant. Emerton and Anderson are the two quietest lately but their game has been very sound defensively (Which is what they're here for). Literally everyone else has been nothing short of amazing. Clearly, Filpulla, Franzen, abs, Nyquist, Bruner, Tootoo, eaves, all playing ridiculously well. Everyone knows their roll and has gotten so comfortable with it. The chemistry is absurd - So much in fact that Bertuzzi and Samuelson have been kept out of the lineup healthy.

Every last one of our D-men have been great for over a month now. Even Quincey truly shaped his pathetic act up and I can't remember noticing a terrible play by him in basically all of April (Prior to that it felt like a once-per-period occurrence).

This is a scary good team right now. This is a team that has steadily and progressively gotten better throughout the year and they're finally catching some breaks.

Bring it the fuck on Anaheim, roll out the Red carpet, your nemesis is back in town.

thelaughingtree
04-27-2013, 11:05 PM
kyle, your post fired me up LETS GO RED WINGS!!!!!!

phaneuf6
04-28-2013, 10:22 AM
The Wings have never missed the playoffs in my lifetime. :lol:

Dubz
04-28-2013, 10:33 AM
The Wings have never missed the playoffs in my lifetime. :lol:

;)

Congrats Wings Nuts. I knew you could do it (well hoped anyways)

alias
04-28-2013, 11:33 AM
;)

Congrats Wings Nuts. I knew you could do it (well hoped anyways)

hey that reminds me....whatever happened to Winnipeg Wingnut? he got banned or something didn't he?

Dubz
04-28-2013, 11:47 AM
Yeah Steve. We still chat all the time. He plays in my F&F football league as well (actually won the money this year too lol) No hockey leagues tho....the one keeper we were in folded last season. He was doing some writing last i heard. Pretty sure he got banned for breaking some rules while he was standing up for something he strongly believed in. Anyways:

373

Kyle
04-28-2013, 01:55 PM
Damn, he got banned? He was the man. Surprised to hear that.

:lol: Awesome picture, Dubz

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-28-2013, 07:54 PM
hey that reminds me....whatever happened to Winnipeg Wingnut? he got banned or something didn't he?

I was in a league with him but I think he bailed. I know he runs his own fantasy site so he is for sure around.

Hey enjoy wingnuts that's a hell of a streak. Sharks are the 2nd best with 9 seasons I believe (what a gap) so part of me was hoping the Wings blew it but I know Zetts didn't wanna be THAT GUY & it wasn't gonna happen. I really don't think Detroit will do much damage this year but hell who knows right? Maybe a dark horse? Should be fun :)

Kyle
04-28-2013, 10:00 PM
We definitely got the very very best possible matchup in Anaheim. That really was a blessing for us fans and might be the only reason the Wings MAY be able to start a dark horse run here. 8th place vs Chicago simply would've looked bad. Daunting even. But Detroit (and a shockingly large amount of hockey insiders) are quite high on the Red Wing's chances vs the Ducks. A lot of people are acknowledging what an ideal situation this is for Detroit. Once you make it past that 1st round, everything honestly feels so so much more possible. If the Hawks get upset by the Wild, too...Man, wouldn't that be a fucking gift to the rest of the West. ;) Detroit feels great against Vancouver, the Wings have outplayed them drastically this year in fact. San Jose is easily our western Nemesis right now and probably the only matchup behind Chicago that really worries the Wings. If the stars align in the most unlikely way that let the Wings avoid SJ/Chi, everyone else in the Western scene is an opponent the Red Wings have played very well against. LA, Minnesota - No worries.

Obviously though, anyone who wins the West very likely has to beat 1 of Chicago or SJ. Unfortunately the Sharks have owned Vancouver this year so I don't see Van pulling out this series. Chicago has struggled vs Minnesota compared to their dominance vs other teams but they've still had the clear best of that season series. So its all just wishful thinking. Ultimately the Red wings path to the SCF very possibly may have to be ANA - CHI - SJ. It will be improbable and miraculous if it happens, but I trust in the potential at least.

alias
04-28-2013, 10:25 PM
man, that travel time is a killer....i bet the wings will be happy to be in the east next year. mtl/ott has it easy...about a 90 minute drive

Kyle
04-28-2013, 10:27 PM
Yeah, its a huge deal for the Wings. I remember our last cup run. We were home ice every series. Only had to travel to Tennessee. Then Colorado. Then Dallas. Then Pittsburgh. No surprise that was the Wing's last stanley cup - Lower travel seems to significantly work in their favor. This year will be a rough rough ride by comparison, no home ice advantage vs anyone and a 3000 mile trip to start.

Dubz
04-29-2013, 10:26 AM
Quack Quack

chgorman
04-29-2013, 10:54 AM
Yeah Steve. We still chat all the time. He plays in my F&F football league as well (actually won the money this year too lol) No hockey leagues tho....the one keeper we were in folded last season. He was doing some writing last i heard. Pretty sure he got banned for breaking some rules while he was standing up for something he strongly believed in.

I thought he got booted for promoting a competing website and continued to do it after multiple warnings? Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else, but I'm pretty sure his ban had something to do with promoting a website similar to HI that him, Mr.Hockey and a few others from here started up on their own, i.e. pumping HI's competition on HI. You would know better though dubz, having been in contact with him more recently. I may be way off base.

Rocklobster
04-29-2013, 11:10 AM
Yep Steve (wingnut) and Bill(mr hockey) have their own site FH911. great guys, they know their shit. I play in a few fantasy leagues with them still. I use their site all the time for goalie confirms and line combos. Last few years had a playoff bracket on their site too. However the place is kinda dead like HI is this year.

Im gonna say ducks in 6. Going to be a fun series to watch. :)

Kyle
05-03-2013, 11:29 AM
Ryan Sproul named the OHL defenseman of the year. Dominant force out there. Almost a sure-thing offensive force in the NHL and has all the size needed to be a defensive monster as he develops.

Can enough honestly be said in praise of Kenny Holland? The Wings lead the league in homegrown talent on their roster (18 through the draft), they have incredible star potential in Nyquist, Brunner (Free agent but acquiring him over all the other interested teams was a win for Kenny H), a ridiculously valuable depth penalty killer incredibly strong in the faceoff circle in Anderson, possibly a top 5 offensive talent someday in Tatar, and Sproul to be introduced to the lineup by 2016 certainly.

This has been a freakishly successful rebuild that could have this Wings team looking stronger in 2 years than it ever has in the last 22 (We'll never see them dominate the league as much because the league simply caught up, but the quality of the team could be better).

Franzen - Datsyuk - Abs
Brunner - Zetterberg - Filpulla
Tatar - Helm - Nyquist
Eaves - Anderson - Miller (Such a freakishly good defensive 4th line that you could throw out against most top lines in the league, maybe Emerton earns the spot from Miller)

Samuelson and bertuzzi obviously aren't relevant to future plans but they'll be around in case some kids need to develop more. Beyond that you have Tootoo, cleary, and whichever one of Emerton/Miller that isn't on the 19 man roster in reserves. Great reserves.

Eventually our blue line should look like:

Kronwall - Dekeyser
Ericcson - Sproule
Kindl - Smith

With Lashoff, Colaiacovo, Quincey in reserves and worst case White.

This team is incredibly deep. Kenny H was the best GM in the free agency era and is by far the best GM of the salary cap era. Best Gm and best coach in hockey. No surprise why the Wings have hung around despite every circumstance in the world suggesting they were due a year or two of failure.

And because of a perfectly managed free-agency plan, they have the cap space to make it ALL work.

This playoff streak could very feasibly extend to 30 years and beyond. This year is very likely the low point, with the injury luck and the amount of young kids needing to develop, this could easily be the worst year in a long time for the Wings.

phaneuf6
05-04-2013, 10:37 AM
Ryan Sproul named the OHL defenseman of the year. Dominant force out there. Almost a sure-thing offensive force in the NHL and has all the size needed to be a defensive monster as he develops.

Let's not get carried away here Kyle. Plenty of good junior defensemen have gone on to do absolutely nothing at the NHL level. Not saying Sproul will amount to nothing but there have been a number of top ranked D-men who have flopped in the last decade.

Kyle
05-04-2013, 12:13 PM
Let's not get carried away here Kyle. Plenty of good junior defensemen have gone on to do absolutely nothing at the NHL level. Not saying Sproul will amount to nothing but there have been a number of top ranked D-men who have flopped in the last decade.

Yeah yeah, I'd rather take the prospect winning OHL defenseman of the year over the one not winning it. Doesn't sound like a lot of people are doubting he'll make a roster spot and be impactful by 2016.

Left out a few other awesome prospects too. They basically have their next Henrik Zetterberg (On both sides of the ice) developing in Sweeden in Calle Jarnkrok. The future looks incredibly bright for the Red Wings.

Hamsterkill
05-27-2013, 02:36 AM
Any thoughts on Brunner's future? The sense I get is that he can be pretty creative offensively, but also can be a liability on defense. Is he just going to be that kind of 15 minutes or less a night player he seemed to be this year?

chgorman
05-27-2013, 05:45 AM
He'll develop. He's played twice as much professional hockey this season than he has during any one season in the past, so he probably a little worn out, which might explain why he started to tail of a bit around the mid-point of the season.

I don't think he'll ever be a 'top' sniper in the league, but I could see him netting 25-30 goals per season fairly consistently once he develops a little more and gets more comfortable. This season was a massive adjustment for him, not only in regards to the number of games played, but the style also. I think he's handled it pretty well.

Sponge Bong Beer Pants
05-27-2013, 09:29 PM
damn it wings you had the hawks on the ropes and couldn't close. dunno about your chances in game 7 now.

soft penatyt on the PS I think

chgorman
05-28-2013, 09:25 AM
damn it wings you had the hawks on the ropes and couldn't close. dunno about your chances in game 7 now.

soft penatyt on the PS I think

I don't like their chances in gm 7 in CHI either, but at least we'll get to see what this team is made of come Wednesday night. Sink or swim. They'll either prove that they're not back to elite status just yet and need some more work, or they'll prove that they're still legit and rebuilds aren't necessary in Hockeytown, and that Kenny H is the master of the reload as opposed to the rebuild.

Regardless of whether they win or lose though, I have to consider this season a success, all things considered. Just making the playoffs this year should be considered a 'win' for this team, given all the roster upheaval and injuries that had to be dealt with (most man gms lost in the league in 2013, almost 400!). Losing Helm for basically the whole season is a huge blow, especially in the playoffs. Not many expected them to beat ANA, let alone take CHI to 7 gms. being up 3-1 in the series, seemingly having CHI on the ropes and not being able to close it out in gms 5 or 6 is certainly disappointing, and many will say they choked, but I still consider this a successful season regardless of how gm 7 plays out. If they manage to find a way to beat CHI in CHI in gm 7 and make it to the next round, that's just gravy as far as I'm concerned.

Hoping for the best obviously, but certainly not counting on DET winning on Weds.

chgorman
06-11-2013, 09:20 AM
Grand Rapids Griffins poised to take the Calder Cup, up 2-0 on Syracuse in the series heading back to GR, Petr Mrazek stading on his head! Obviously it's not over just yet, but I have a good feeling.

Says a lot about the organization when the big club can take the WC champs (and possibly SC champs) to 7 games in rd 2 in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year, while the farm team is poised to take the Calder Cup in the same season, all without the benefit of a top 15 draft pick in the past 20 yrs. Imagine how good this team would be if they had the benefit of a couple early draft picks in the past 2 decades.

Future is bright!

chgorman
06-18-2013, 08:18 PM
Dats locked up for the next 4 years at roughly 7.5mill cap hit per year. Sick! Great deal for the team.

... and Griffs win the Calder Cup!

Dubz
10-01-2013, 03:38 PM
Wow Nyquist to the farm eh? Abdy on the top line with Dats and Zetty? Weiss/Alffy/Franzen should be named the band aid line!! LOL All 3 are "just healthy enough" to suit up for the opener and havent really played much together at all.

chgorman
10-01-2013, 04:29 PM
Nyquist to the farm is only to get under the roster limit and salary cap, and its only because him and Danny D are the only two who can be sent down without having to pass through waivers, and they're definitely not sending DeKeyser down, they need him too much.

Nyquist will be back up as soon as they get the roster/cap situation worked out. He won't be in GR long.

Kyle
10-10-2013, 03:37 AM
Solid enough start so far! Wings are looking good. Boston on the road at the end of 3 games in 4 nights was almost a given loss. The wings will need most of the season to improve and develop chemistry before they can go to Boston and compete with them evenly on the road. Boston is an awesome team despite being a bunch of horrendously douchey spitfucks.

Hopefully they can comfortably float around a playoff position and end around 4th-6th in the conference. Thats my prediction, and by the end of the year I expect them to be way better than they are now so anything can happen in the playoffs. Lets go WIngs!

Kyle
10-14-2013, 03:54 PM
Well, didn't take long to compete with Boston on the road! Thoroughly outplayed them.

Doctego
11-02-2013, 10:09 AM
Anyone know how long Gustavsson will be out for? I picked him up to piggyback with Howard.

Kyle
11-10-2013, 02:53 AM
Man I'm not sure I've ever seen the Wings turn the puck over in the defensive zone as often as they did tonight. What an awful streak of home games they're currently on. Tonight was the worst by far. Didn't deserve OT at all. About six nonchalant giveaways to set up Stamkos right in front of Howard.

Hopefully it was the type of embarrassing night that kicks a team in the ass going forward.

chgorman
11-11-2013, 02:20 PM
Man I'm not sure I've ever seen the Wings turn the puck over in the defensive zone as often as they did tonight. What an awful streak of home games they're currently on. Tonight was the worst by far. Didn't deserve OT at all. About six nonchalant giveaways to set up Stamkos right in front of Howard.

Hopefully it was the type of embarrassing night that kicks a team in the ass going forward.

Jimmy was the only reason that game was close. A couple bad turnovers from Tampa helped too.

Kyle
11-29-2013, 04:58 PM
Fucking annihilated the Bruins at home a few days back. That was the most timely regular season blowout possible for the Wings, they absolutely could not play another game beyond 60 minutes at home, and certainly couldn't lose another in regulation. To end the shit streak against a team so talented and the favorites of the division just puts that miserable home stretch that much more behind them.

Edit - And an amazing win vs the Islanders on the road today! 10-1 in 2 games, things seem pretty solid. Helm and Alfy looked awesome tonight,

Doctego
12-03-2013, 09:11 AM
Too bad that it didn't last long for Avery:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/previously-untold-sean-averyjoe-sakic-story-shows-how-nhl-veterans-enforce-on-ice-respect/

I also found this funny and ironic:


And I just never believed in all that chirping anyway.

Now, we can't shut him the fuck up.

toronto1979
12-03-2013, 10:30 AM
I keep reading in Yahoo Notes and on Rotoworld about a possible goalie controversy in Detroit because Monster is playing so well. However I look at Howard's peripheral numbers and they're not that bad. He's just not getting as much goal support.

What's the feeling in Detroit? Is there an actual goalie controversy rising, or is this just all creation of the internet? I would think Howard is firmly entrenched.

Dubz
12-03-2013, 12:51 PM
Its not gonna matter because neither goalie will be getting any goal support while Dats and Zetty are out with injuries. Regardless, I dont see Howard losing the job.

chgorman
12-03-2013, 01:01 PM
I haven't read anything about a legit goalie controversy in Detroit. Not saying there isn't one, and I haven't been following the team as closely as I normally do due to some RL stuff I've got going on right now, so maybe I missed something about that, but as far as I know, Jimmy is the guy. Gus is playing well, and he'll probably get a few more starts than expected going forward because of how well he's playing, but Jimmy is the guy. I expect Jimmy to get 3 starts to every one start for Gus going forward. After how terrible/injured Gus was last season, they're not just going to hand him the reins because Jimmy has struggled in a couple gms this year. They didn't give him the sizeable contract that they did this offseason only to have Gus take over. Jimmy has just hit a bit of a rough patch but he'll bounce back sooner than later, he always does.

That said, with Dats still dealing with a concussion and Zetts now out for at least two weeks with a herniated disk, the team is now missing their top two offensive AND defensive forwards, thus not only will Gus and Jimmy probably not be getting much goal support going forward, but they won't have as much defensive support either, so I could see both of them losing some games over the next few weeks and having their numbers dipping a bit.

Hamsterkill
12-03-2013, 01:50 PM
Last time I saw an article with a Babcock quote about it, he said, "We're going as far as Howie takes us."

Kind of seems like Emery in Chicago last year. Played well and with awesome stats in his limited action, but Crawford was always the guy.

Kyle
12-03-2013, 05:12 PM
I agree with that sentiment, though I would never say this team couldn't win without Howard after all The Monster has proven so far. That said, an observer of the full 60 minute games sees a generally easier workload the games Gust has to play. For whatever reason, Monster has benefited from much cleaner defensive performances and even gotten a higher percentage of dominant offensive performances which is a scenario where most of the losing team's roster checks out. Howard always seems to be left alone and they seem more turnover prone in their own zone in the games he starts. Its just pure coincidence and Howard is at no risk of being mistaken for a worse goalie than Gust.

Also, not to add my own opinion on this because I don't have one, but just food for thought in response to the bit about Crawford: A lot of hardcore Blackhawk fans I've spoken to refer to Crawfords playoff/season run as an overrated beneficiary of the amazing team in front of him, and insinuated that most of Blackhawks nation accepts that and his reputation is all based on people outside Chicago. Apparently the fanbase isn't sold on him at all.

I have no opinion because I can only judge one playoff round vs Detroit. I thought he was good enough. Blew a game or two, carried a game or two. I didn't think he was half as good as Howard in that series though, nor were the Wings forwards half as good as the Hawks forwards. So Hawks fans had to watch a better team fall to 1-3 because the other goalie was that much better. That said, its hard to argue that Crawford had a fantastic postseason run.

Doctego
12-03-2013, 08:21 PM
I bet that a lot of people say that about Crawford based on his fantasy numbers. He leads in wins but is a lot more middle of the pack with the other stats.

toronto1979
12-03-2013, 11:12 PM
Chicago fans said the same thing about Niemi.

Doctego
12-05-2013, 08:05 AM
I haven't watched many Detroit games this season but I've watched enough of the Flyers to not see that shit coming.

chgorman
12-05-2013, 09:21 AM
Yeah, that was embarrassing for the Wings. Goes to show how much DET needs Dats and Zetts. The team can still score without them, but the D is atrocious without those two. Tough to say for sure, but I imagine with those two in the lineup, the Wings lock down the 3-1 lead last nightand maybe add an EN goal at the end. They just lose far too much leadership and defensive ability with those two out of the lineup.

Need to get Bert and DeK back too, both are solid defensively.

Kyle
12-05-2013, 04:52 PM
I don't disagree with a word of that but its depressing if our lineup is so awful defensively without Dats/Zetts/Dek that they couldn't stop the worst team in the NHL from scoring 4 in 20 minutes, with a 2 goal lead to start with no less. At home too. Hopefully these guys are all healthy when it matters.

toronto1979
12-05-2013, 05:00 PM
I wouldn't say Philly is the worst team in the league. They aren't even bottom 10.

Kyle
12-05-2013, 05:31 PM
I typed that quickly without thinking and for some reason mistook the Flyers for the Sabres as far as the standings are concerned. Definitely eases the blow there.

Dubz
12-05-2013, 06:38 PM
Pretty sure i read Helm wont be suiting up tonight.

chgorman
12-06-2013, 09:46 AM
Pretty sure i read Helm wont be suiting up tonight.

Really? Fuck, that sucks. Another defensive stalwart who has actually been producing offensively lately, down and out. Next couple weeks are going to be rough, even with Dats likely back soon.

phaneuf6
12-07-2013, 10:57 AM
Find it really strange that the Wings have announced that Datsyuk will be back next Tuesday..

Kyle
12-07-2013, 04:06 PM
Hmm, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but please explain phaneuf?

phaneuf6
12-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Hmm, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but please explain phaneuf?

I don't see how you can forecast, almost a week in advance, when someone can be cleared to play when recovering from a concussion.

toronto1979
12-07-2013, 05:48 PM
I don't see how you can forecast, almost a week in advance, when someone can be cleared to play when recovering from a concussion.
How is it a week in advance? They're holding him out tonight, but letting him play the next game (3 days from now).

phaneuf6
12-07-2013, 06:01 PM
How is it a week in advance? They're holding him out tonight, but letting him play the next game (3 days from now).

It was announced a couple days ago?

It's just strange given the nature of concussions. There's such a misunderstanding even with NHL team doctors around concussions and when it's safe to return to play. It's scary for some of these players, a lot of them are being grossly mishandled.

Kyle
12-07-2013, 08:33 PM
I do agree I don't understand how you can forecast it in advance either UNLESS he was already 100% cleared to play and simply held out a few extra games as a precautionary measure. The standings are comfortable so I can imagine that. If he hasn't been totally cleared yet though, I agree its weird. Kind of like "Hes not quite ready to go yet, still experiencing slight symptoms, but we're so certain he'll recover this week we'll declare him in for tuesday." If my ignorant medical background knows anything its that concussions are unpredictable.

All that said, I'm certain they know way better than us and are handling their most valuable asset wisely. Chances are he was already good or just about good enough and they just added a few rest days as a precaution.

toronto1979
12-08-2013, 12:26 PM
Also, Detroit has a really weak schedule to start December, so they can afford to hold him out a little longer as a precautionary measure. I guess they just targeted the Florida roadtrip as a good time to bring him back.

Dubz
12-08-2013, 06:03 PM
Dats has fucked knees. It could be combo of injuries on top of the concussion.

phaneuf6
12-09-2013, 01:33 PM
I've recently become really interested in concussions and concussion management. My physio and good friend Scott Haller is the president and CEO of Shift Concussion Management, so I've sat down with him on numerous occasions with him to learn the science, misconceptions, etc. In his opinion, a lot of NHL players are grossly mishandled when it comes to managing their concussions. They're such complex injuries so that's why it was strange to me that they were forecasting his return. Symptom-free is too often confused with being back to full health.

Hamsterkill
12-09-2013, 01:38 PM
I've recently become really interested in concussions and concussion management. My physio and good friend Scott Haller is the president and CEO of Shift Concussion Management, so I've sat down with him on numerous occasions with him to learn the science, misconceptions, etc. In his opinion, a lot of NHL players are grossly mishandled when it comes to managing their concussions. They're such complex injuries so that's why it was strange to me that they were forecasting his return. Symptom-free is too often confused with being back to full health.
Players also have to pass the ImPACT neurocognitive test they use to clear concussion victims to be able to play again.

phaneuf6
12-09-2013, 01:58 PM
Players also have to pass the ImPACT neurocognitive test they use to clear concussion victims to be able to play again.

Yes but 'passing' is simply achieving a test score that is in the 'average' band for a similar person. It doesn't account for differences in the player. For instance, Peter Holland had a concussion 2 years ago in Syracuse and passed his ImPACT test, based on the average results for someone his age. However, because he's a smart guy, the average is actually much lower than where he should score so where his team doctor was clearing him to play, he actually wasn't healed yet.

It's this kind of mismanagement and misunderstanding that leads to players coming back to early and/or missing substantial amounts of time due to concussions.

Hamsterkill
12-09-2013, 04:04 PM
Yes but 'passing' is simply achieving a test score that is in the 'average' band for a similar person. It doesn't account for differences in the player. For instance, Peter Holland had a concussion 2 years ago in Syracuse and passed his ImPACT test, based on the average results for someone his age. However, because he's a smart guy, the average is actually much lower than where he should score so where his team doctor was clearing him to play, he actually wasn't healed yet.

It's this kind of mismanagement and misunderstanding that leads to players coming back to early and/or missing substantial amounts of time due to concussions.

I'm pretty sure that in the NHL players set their baseline when they come in as a rookie and have to match that in order to pass it. I remember back when Pominville was out with his concussion he had a hell of time passing it because he said he set such a high score when he did his baseline.

phaneuf6
12-09-2013, 05:14 PM
I'm pretty sure that in the NHL players set their baseline when they come in as a rookie and have to match that in order to pass it. I remember back when Pominville was out with his concussion he had a hell of time passing it because he said he set such a high score when he did his baseline.

Yes that's what the ImPACT test does, sets a baseline for the neurocognitive part of concussion management. I'm not certain that the 'reaching baseline' rule is very strict. Generally, the lower you are from your baseline, the higher the probability you suffered a concussion. I believe how it works is that there are 'bands' in which average scores, given the players age, fall and this can be sufficient for return to play.

Additionally, say a player sustains a suspected concussion during a game. They get sent to the quiet room and undergo a series of tests to see if they can return to play. This doesn't even involve the ImPACT test (it's the SCAT2 test) and, if the player passes, they return to the game and play. It's insane that they even entertain the idea of letting a player return to play in the same game after getting his 'bell rung'. Symptoms for a concussion can take days to appear and although one CAN completely heal from a concussion, concussions sustained when the brain hasn't fully healed can destroy axons in the brain and permanently damage these players' mental health (CTE).

However, these tests shouldn't be used alone to allow a player to return to play. And the people evaluating them shouldn't be team doctors...it's a serious conflict of interest. Scott consults with a number of NHL teams on concussions, most recently with the Carolina Hurricanes, and he's always amazed at the misunderstanding and incompetence of team doctors when it comes to concussion understanding and management.

Doctego
12-09-2013, 05:56 PM
I understand the process to be as Hamster described. They test you when you come into the league and then compare your test results after you suffer a head injury. I don't think that it has anything to do with players of similar age, etc. It is based on the actual player's previous responses.

chgorman
12-11-2013, 09:33 AM
FWIW, Dats looked just fine last night.

Tough loss but at least they got the single. Curious as to why Babs went with Alffy, Tatar and Nyquist in the shootout over the usuals (i.e. Dats, Bert). I don't disgree with the decision (despite it not working out), as Tatar and Nyquist both have great hands, just curious why Dats and Bert were held out. Wasn't impressed with Alffy's attempt at all. I probably woulda put Franzen in over Alffy at very least, if I was purposely holding Dats and Bert out.

toronto1979
12-11-2013, 04:18 PM
Mrazek was called up today and he'll be backing up Monster on Thursday.

Howard has a "minor" injury apparently.

Jake
12-23-2013, 06:05 PM
Its a small sample, but I'm liking what I see out of Jurco

two24four
12-23-2013, 10:57 PM
Its a small sample, but I'm liking what I see out of Jurco

I liked that pick for DET as soon as they drafted Jurco. He should have went in the 1st round of that draft IMO.

Kyle
12-24-2013, 05:13 PM
Jurcos great.

The team itself on the other hand?

What a pathetic 0-3 loss to the Isles at home.

Kyle
12-31-2013, 01:47 PM
Only 2 of the Red Wings top 14 scorers have played all 41 games this year. The other 12 combine for 123 missed games out of a possible 480, AKA just over 25% of the better half of the roster missing all year.

Their 9 clearly best players (Dats, Zetts, Franzen, Alfy, Nyquist, Helm, Tatar, Kronwall, Dekeyser) have missed 110 out of a possible 369 games, AKA just under 1/3 of the very best of their roster gone all year.

And then Howards missed half the season and played hurt the other half.

Very impressive that they're still comfortably in 6th place with the 2nd best road record in the NHL. They'll figure out the home issues before the playoffs, but it doesn't mean much because I don't see them getting home ice advantage often.

Jake
01-02-2014, 12:33 AM
It's a good thing there aren't any shootouts in the playoffs

toronto1979
01-09-2014, 11:20 AM
If you had any friends that went to the Winter Classic, you can find them in this 360 degree photo

http://gigapixel.panoramas.com/winterclassic/2014/

chgorman
01-09-2014, 01:00 PM
If you had any friends that went to the Winter Classic, you can find them in this 360 degree photo

http://gigapixel.panoramas.com/winterclassic/2014/

I really wish they had a search function available to search the tagged people and show where they were sitting. I've tagged myself but wanted to see where some other friends were sitting who tagged themselves as well. It'll take me hours to find them with that many people/tags, without a search function.

Maybe it's a privacy issue, or maybe they just didn't think about including it. Either way, would be nice is there was an opportunity to search tags.

If there in fact is one and I've simply overlooked it, please let me know where to find it.

toronto1979
01-09-2014, 01:14 PM
Agreed, I thought the same thing. People tag themselves. You give them permission to post your name and linked facebook photo. So it can't be a privacy thing.

Kyle
01-10-2014, 03:36 AM
The Wings D is just horrendous this year.

chgorman
01-10-2014, 09:42 AM
Yep. They need to get a top end shut down guy in the offseason or at the deadline, a guy that they can rely on to shut down the opposing teams' top lines. Kron, Danny D Ericsson are all solid defensively, but Quincey, Smith and Kindl have been absolutely atrocious in their own end this yr. Lashoff was never an offensive guy but I feel his play in his own end has dropped off as well.

Hopefully they have some kids in GR that have some shutdown defensive skills who will be ready to step in in the next year or so

Kyle
01-10-2014, 04:03 PM
Agreed, and with Howard hardly healthy and playing entirely average, thats basically our best defender of the last 3 years playing to half his potential. Howard has made an average defensive team (if not below average) look way better than it really is these last few years.

Obviously losing the best 2-way forward in NHL history or having him play unhealthy doesn't help either.

Call it an excuse, I'll agree with you, but these Wings are one healthy run away from surprising everyone exactly like the end of last year and the year before. They're not this bad. Just way hurt. At least they got an easy conference and are still easily in playoff contention. They're using up their bad luck early and I firmly believe in the trend this team has set by playing great hockey whenever their full roster returns regardless what happened before then.

I wish the Wings could drink some of that Penguins juice that makes that team play even better when guys like Crosby or Malkin go down. Its the most staggering statistic in sports how high their win% is without one or both of the best 2 offensive stars in the world. The wings are just dragging along.

Jake
01-14-2014, 06:57 PM
Wings recalled Jurco

Doctego
01-20-2014, 09:52 PM
Did Jimmy Howard shit himself tonight?

Hamsterkill
01-20-2014, 09:58 PM
Did Jimmy Howard shit himself tonight?

Seems he got hurt, actually.

Doctego
01-20-2014, 10:32 PM
Seems he got hurt, actually.

I asked because I was checking Twitter and there were a bunch of references to him shitting himself (literally).

Kyle
01-20-2014, 10:40 PM
I asked because I was checking Twitter and there were a bunch of references to him shitting himself (literally).

:lol: :lol: What the fuck did I miss tonight? Looks like a disgusting game where the Blues had their way.

Doctego
01-20-2014, 10:45 PM
I suppose that would qualify as a lower body injury.

chgorman
01-23-2014, 09:56 AM
Unbelievable game between the Wings and Hawks last night. Tons of excitement from start to finish. Young kids on the Wings really stepped up in the absence of Dats, Mule and Alffy (among others). Tatar, Jurco, Nyquist and J.Abs all had a great game. Zetts was ok too... 3 apples. Nice to have Ericsson back, had a solid game too. Eaves needs to unleash that wrister more often. Deadly.

Kyle
01-23-2014, 04:08 PM
Easily THE game of the Wing's struggling season so far. If we can do that at half heath, Chicago better stay the fuck out of our way with Howard/Datsyuk/Franzen/Alfy/Weiss/Emerton/Anderson (Okay, I'm fucking tired of thinking of whos still hurt) back in the lineup. That was a seriously needed hockey game for Wings nation.

Kyle
01-25-2014, 08:33 AM
Another fantastic game vs Montreal. Crazy what a huge difference Alfy and Ericcson have made. Alfy is just as much of a stud as ever for the Wings and just as good as he was for Ottowa. Ericcson lets Kronwall jump in on the play and trust the guy behind him more and hes easily our most dangerous D-man ahead of the Blue line so thats huge. With Howard/Datsyuk/Franzen back and healthy this team is definitely in good shape

Kyle
01-27-2014, 01:14 PM
Well, it was a horrendous end to the 5 game home stand with a 2 goal lead blown in 2 minutes at the end there. But that said, 3-1-1 is a fantastic job for a team struggling at home against REALLY good opponents.

I said it before, and you weren't quite ready to agree with me Chg, but Tatar is on his way to becoming an NHL all-star and hes proving it more and more with every passing game. With Zetterberg primarily shutting down other team's top lines, Tatar has been the one ultimately controlling the Wing's offensive flow without Datsyuk around. Behind Datsyuk hes the next guy on our team I want to see entering the zone with the puck, and to me thats a huge compliment.

And Nyquist is also on his way to being a major offensive force in this league, on roughly 30 goal/60 point pace at this point.

And the story of the month? Easily Riley Shehan and his 8 points in 12 games. What a fucking fantastic NHL debut. This guy is going to be a leader of our future.

The best part is? Our minor league players that HAVEN'T played in the NHL yet might even be better than the ones we've watched debut over the last 2-3 years. This team's future is looking downright lethal.

chgorman
01-28-2014, 01:12 PM
Well, it was a horrendous end to the 5 game home stand with a 2 goal lead blown in 2 minutes at the end there. But that said, 3-1-1 is a fantastic job for a team struggling at home against REALLY good opponents.

I said it before, and you weren't quite ready to agree with me Chg, but Tatar is on his way to becoming an NHL all-star and hes proving it more and more with every passing game. With Zetterberg primarily shutting down other team's top lines, Tatar has been the one ultimately controlling the Wing's offensive flow without Datsyuk around. Behind Datsyuk hes the next guy on our team I want to see entering the zone with the puck, and to me thats a huge compliment.

And Nyquist is also on his way to being a major offensive force in this league, on roughly 30 goal/60 point pace at this point.

And the story of the month? Easily Riley Shehan and his 8 points in 12 games. What a fucking fantastic NHL debut. This guy is going to be a leader of our future.

The best part is? Our minor league players that HAVEN'T played in the NHL yet might even be better than the ones we've watched debut over the last 2-3 years. This team's future is looking downright lethal.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I still don't think I'm ready to completely agree at this point either, if that makes any sense. I'd like to see him keep up a consistent scoring pace for the rest of the season, make some plays in the playoffs (assuming the Wings make it in) and start next season off well before I dub him an 'all-star', but he's definitely showing signs that he can be a special players and a great contributor, and everyone on the team and in the organization seems to love him and his attitude, so that's great, doesn't seem to have an ounce of 'diva' in him.

Really glad Nyquist has stepped up his play of late. Guy has a great skill set but hasn't been able to produce consistently up until recently. Another guy that I don't want to build up too much without seeing a little more from him spread across the remainder of the season, playoffs and the start of next season, but he definitely has elite level talent and will very likely be another special player in the org for yrs to come.

Sheahan has definitely been a surprise for me, especially since - aside from the super-drunk charge incident - haven't heard much about him, he wasn't particularly highly touted out of the draft and has mostly flown under the radar since the DUI/DWI, but definitely a nice start to his NHL career. I anticipate he'll be a solid career 3rd line C, maybe lower end second line C, but maybe he'll surprise me as he develops more and gets more icetime. Definitely has a nice shot, as evidenced by the laser he scored on price this past Friday.

Definitely an exciting time for the organization. I don't remember the Wings having this much solid young talent in the system at one time since they drafted Fedorov, Lidstrom, Vladdy, Kozlov, Primeau, Oz, etc spread over a few drafts in the early 90's

chgorman
01-29-2014, 09:27 AM
I DVR'ed last night's game, haven't been able to watch it yet, but TBH, not sure I want to after seeing the score... WTF happened?

Obviously not having Dats, Zetts, Mule and Jimmy H hurts, but there had to be more to it than that based on the score. Looks like Monster may not have had a great game...? Did the youngsters just shit the bed?

Doctego
01-29-2014, 09:47 AM
Mason played well and Detroit hit some posts. The first 2 goals by Hartnell were good goals. Can't fault Gustavsson on those. Hall's was a dirty rebound goal but the fact that Hall scored is bad enough.:D He got his glove on Giroux's goal but didn't catch it. He definitely should have, IMHO. Couturier's goal was nice for the Flyers but I have no idea why Gustavsson was so far out of position.

Kyle
01-29-2014, 02:47 PM
It was a whooping but not as bad as 5-0 implies. The Wings held their own for a good half and stopped skating when they fell too far behind. The 1st period probably deserved a tie or 1 goal lead for the Wings, especially the bogus phantom call to give Philly their goal of the period. Regardless, it clearly meant nothing down the stretch. Once the Flyers got going throughout the second the Wings got outclassed/worked/skated for 30 minutes and would've lost regardless. I don't really blame Gust particularly, he was no worse than the rest of the squad.

chgorman
01-29-2014, 11:08 PM
Mason played well and Detroit hit some posts. The first 2 goals by Hartnell were good goals. Can't fault Gustavsson on those. Hall's was a dirty rebound goal but the fact that Hall scored is bad enough.:D He got his glove on Giroux's goal but didn't catch it. He definitely should have, IMHO. Couturier's goal was nice for the Flyers but Ihave no idea why Gustavsson was so far out of position.

I find myself wondering the same thing multiple times a game when he's in goal for DET. Have no idea if this was an issue with him when he was a Leaf but I can't imagine this would have just cropped up out of nowhere. Definitely put himself in awkward positions/completely out of position far too often.


It was a whooping but not as bad as 5-0 implies. The Wings held their own for a good half and stopped skating when they fell too far behind. The 1st period probably deserved a tie or 1 goal lead for the Wings, especially the bogus phantom call to give Philly their goal of the period. Regardless, it clearly meant nothing down the stretch. Once the Flyers got going throughout the second the Wings got outclassed/worked/skated for 30 minutes and would've lost regardless. I don't really blame Gust particularly, he was no worse than the rest of the squad.

Thanks for the 411 guys. Good to know it was respectable for at least the first half of the game

Kyle
01-31-2014, 08:28 PM
22-4 shots and somehow losing 1-0..Please don't be this kind of game...

Doctego
01-31-2014, 09:56 PM
Did Gustavsson play at all tonight or are the stats fucked up?

Kyle
01-31-2014, 10:00 PM
No Gust at all

Doctego
01-31-2014, 10:02 PM
No Gust at all

Must have been a temporary stat fuck up. Howard is standing on his head at the end of this game. He looked like he got hurt on the last save. I was ready to drop his ass if he went down again.:lol:

Kyle
01-31-2014, 10:06 PM
Ugh Doc...you had to jinx it!

Doctego
01-31-2014, 10:08 PM
How did I know that Quincey was on the ice for that tying goal? I don't care if it wasn't his fault. That fucker should be nowhere near the ice at the end of a tight game.

chgorman
01-31-2014, 10:35 PM
How did I know that Quincey was on the ice for that tying goal? I don't care if it wasn't his fault. That fucker should be nowhere near the ice at the end of a tight game.

Couldn't agree more. As far as I'm concerned, he should be nowhere near the ice... period.

Kyle
02-01-2014, 01:30 AM
Yup. Thank God they won but too bad they gave a free point to one of the teams fighting the Wings for the last 2 playoff spots.

Kyle
02-02-2014, 02:53 PM
Wow Doc, I feel terribly for you. Howard is not at fault but 5 goals on 25 shots has to be gross.

Doctego
02-03-2014, 09:08 AM
Wow Doc, I feel terribly for you. Howard is not at fault but 5 goals on 25 shots has to be gross.

Luckily, my offense had a good week.

chgorman
02-03-2014, 09:52 AM
Ovi is invisible for 59:50 Friday night then scores the game tying goal with 7 secs left in reg, is invisible for 62:50 yesterday then scores the OT game winner. Unbelievable. Even containing the guy for 120+ minutes over 2 gms isn't enough for the Wings to keep him off the board. He's scored at least 1 point in every game he's played against the Wings in his career.

Dubz
02-03-2014, 11:53 AM
Nyquist js

Doctego
02-04-2014, 08:36 AM
I just read that Yzerman is looking for some blueline help at the deadline and he's interested in Quincey. Shit. As a Howard owner, I'll drive him to the airport.

chgorman
02-04-2014, 09:18 AM
I just read that Yzerman is looking for some blueline help at the deadline and he's interested in Quincey. Shit. As a Howard owner, I'll drive him to the airport.

Lemme know if you need some gas money.

Doctego
02-04-2014, 09:52 AM
Lemme know if you need some gas money.

Deal.:lol:

Kyle
02-04-2014, 02:36 PM
Yzerman wears this nice plaid Hugo Boss suit often on TV. I'd trade him Quincey for just the pants of that suit.

Kyle
02-06-2014, 12:54 PM
Nyquist js

He really has been on fire! Him and Z are probably the NHL's highest scoring pair the last few weeks. 13 pts in 9 games for Nyquist in 2 weeks and 12 pts in 7 games for Zetterberg.

Kyle
02-25-2014, 05:54 PM
So the very best case scenario for Zetterberg is a second round playoff return following his surgery in NY. Datsyuk looked as good as ever for Russia, hopefully he keeps that up. Its gonna be a dogfight for that last playoff spot.

Too bad we're locked up with fucking Weiss and unable to make a run at Vanek.

Rocklobster
02-25-2014, 07:29 PM
So the very best case scenario for Zetterberg is a second round playoff return following his surgery in NY. Datsyuk looked as good as ever for Russia, hopefully he keeps that up. Its gonna be a dogfight for that last playoff spot.

Too bad we're locked up with fucking Weiss and unable to make a run at Vanek.
i read Z might be back to play the last game or two of the reg season. Probably unrealistic but never know.

Kyle
02-26-2014, 10:17 PM
NYQUIST!!

Picked up right where he left off. Two great goals for the Wings tonight on fundamentally strong plays featuring net presence. Exactly the goals we've been lacking without Bert and Franzen. So happy for Bert scoring in his first 15 minutes back after the 6 weeks off. And what a couple of plays by Franzen to set up Bert's goal and disrupt Price and the D on the overtime winner.

Next month will hopefully go down in Detroit as The Playoff March!

alias
02-27-2014, 10:13 AM
NYQUIST!!

Picked up right where he left off. Two great goals for the Wings tonight on fundamentally strong plays featuring net presence. Exactly the goals we've been lacking without Bert and Franzen. So happy for Bert scoring in his first 15 minutes back after the 6 weeks off. And what a couple of plays by Franzen to set up Bert's goal and disrupt Price and the D on the overtime winner.

Next month will hopefully go down in Detroit as The Playoff March!

Budaj was in net....if Price was in net that surely would've been a 1-0 win for the Habs :p

chgorman
02-27-2014, 10:29 AM
Nyquist got the first star because he scored the OT gwg, but Tatar was easily the best player on the ice last night. Him and Nyquist together were easily the two best players on the ice last night, for either team.

That's awesome for them! Problem is, with the talent on the Wings, they should never both be the best players on the ice in any given game, given that the Wings can trot out guys like Dats (and Zetts once he's back), Franzen, Alffy, Weiss (I know, he's been shit this yr, but *should* be outpointing Tats and Nyq at this point in their respective careers), Kronwall, DeK, Howard, etc.

I really hope those two do develop into top NHL'ers within the next few yrs, but in the meantime, the Wings are going to have problems if those two are consistently their best two players going forward, 'cuz that would mean that either they instantaneously developed into top NHL'ers (unlikely), or that rest of the team's top players aren't pulling their weight (more likely). At least one of those guys mentioned above should be the best player on the ice on any given night, the Wings better not rely on Tats and/or Nyquist to be that guy on a regular basis, otherwise they'll be in trouble. Not yet, anyway.

Great to see them playing so well though, hopefully they can keep it up going forward, as those two and Franzen seemed to be the only ones making some noise last night.

And I can tell Jurco is on the verge of a breakthrough too. May not happen this season, probably won't happen until next season at earliest, but despite not putting up any points recently, he still looks really good out there in his little playing time. Great hands, strong on the puck, tenacious, always working and skating hard, contributes offensively even though it may not show up on the score sheet, very responsible defensively, is a bit of a bigger guy and isn't afraid to use his size, just needs to fine tune a few aspects of his game and he'll be off to the races.

Gotta say, the future is looking pretty bright in hockey town at this point. Haven't been able to say that in a while. I think most fans Wings fans have been dreading the day in the not-so-distant future that Dats, Zetts, Mule, Kron all hang 'em up, which, even a just a few yrs ago would have been considered the demise of the team, the end of the playoff streak and the start of a rebuild, but all this young, developing talent give us something to look forward to.

Interested to see what Mantha can do as a pro, but we won't see him in DET for at least a couple yrs. He'll have to put in some time in GR and develop his defensive game.

Kyle
02-27-2014, 03:20 PM
Its obvious Datsyuk pushed harder on Russia than hes actually physically capable of. He looked like a shell of that player who would've won best tournament forward if Russia had advanced into a medal round. Clearly incapable of pushing himself like that for the next 23 games as evidenced by last night. I truly hope he's somehow getting better while hes playing. I'm not interested in a scenario where he could've been healthy for the playoffs but instead will be at 70% like he is now. Yes we probably need him to make the playoffs but I'm not interested in a competitive round with anything but a healthy Datsyuk, especially with no Zetterberg. I'd rather have seen us miss the playoffs than push a limping Datsyuk the way he skated last night.

According to all the doctor reports I've read though, this is simply the Pavel Datsyuk we get this season, and it won't get truly better until next year(because of the decision to play in the olympics and play now).

Franzen has been out a long time and looked great his first game back. He'll get better. For now, unfortunately, Alfy is the only one of our top 5 guns (Z, Dats, Mule, Alfy, Weiss) able to perform up to his standard, and I'm certainly not disappointed in his contributions at his age this year. He improved tons over his uncharacteristically weak 2012-2013 season. I don't think anyone in Detroit anticipated getting back the 70 pt Alfy as opposed to the 40-50 point guy who regressed last year in his old age. So hes outperformed any reasonable standard. Weiss has been a disaster but I firmly believe hes been unlucky more-so than playing bad. He does good things out there and plays good Red Wing hockey. He just never seems to catch a break.

So sadly we're going to have to rely on young guys who started the season on the third line or the minors to carry this playoff streak. Theres really nobody else for the offense to come from.

Kyle
02-27-2014, 03:22 PM
Budaj was in net....if Price was in net that surely would've been a 1-0 win for the Habs :p

:lol: Jimmy Howard should've ran a garage sale in his own zone during the 15 minute stretches the Habs would go without a shot. Talk about shaking off the rust. Were the Habs playing in skates or shoes?!

Kyle
02-27-2014, 08:50 PM
Hows that Franzen for you Gorman?!

chgorman
02-27-2014, 11:49 PM
Haha, love it! Wings need that type of production out of him more consistently.

Kyle
02-28-2014, 09:09 AM
Agreed. Don't see why he had to be such a little bitch afterwards though. I fully understand Ottawa was provoking but the Wings have spent 10 years establishing a reputation as a team that doesn't indulge in that crap, and then Franzen comes in and constantly pours small cups of fuel on the fire. Little things like slashes after the whistle, taking a very harmless but none-the-less obvious run at people unnecessarily as a play dies down. Thats the difference between a guy like Neal throwing a few frustrated checks and taking that cheap shot he took at Franzen's head last night. Whoever's fault it is, Franzens the one that will come out with the concussion in that scenario, the injury hes missed 22 of his last 23 games for. He should have more common sense.

Besides that, amazing game, especially by Gust. Nyquist and Tatar were stellar as usual. 6 goals and no points for Datsyuk. Wow. Can we just rest this guy.

chgorman
02-28-2014, 09:37 AM
Agreed. Don't see why he had to be such a little bitch afterwards though. I fully understand Ottawa was provoking but the Wings have spent 10 years establishing a reputation as a team that doesn't indulge in that crap, and then Franzen comes in and constantly pours small cups of fuel on the fire. Little things like slashes after the whistle, taking a very harmless but none-the-less obvious run at people unnecessarily as a play dies down. Thats the difference between a guy like Neal throwing a few frustrated checks and taking that cheap shot he took at Franzen's head last night. Whoever's fault it is, Franzens the one that will come out with the concussion in that scenario, the injury hes missed 22 of his last 23 games for. He should have more common sense.

Besides that, amazing game, especially by Gust. Nyquist and Tatar were stellar as usual. 6 goals and no points for Datsyuk. Wow. Can we just rest this guy.

Agreed on all counts. Especially the Franzen stuff. Couldn't believe that he was trying to mix it up - with Neil of all people - after what he's gone through with his conky issues recently. One good bomb by Neil (had they actually gone at it) could have done some serious damage to his already scrambled noggin.

Dubz
02-28-2014, 09:15 PM
I like Franzen :D I also like the fact DET is chasing TOR for a playoff spot :p

Kyle
03-07-2014, 10:38 PM
Well Gor, the Mule clearly heard you. 11 points and 6 goals his last 5 games since the Olympics. Wings go 3-1-1 over the last 9 days and keep themselves in a great position to make the playoffs. How about that Legwand? Looked great while they skated laps around the Avs last night and looked way better today. As most of us predicted hes an obvious, natural fit in the system. Hes looked great on both sides of the ice too which is an awesome sign.

Last but not least, in fact most importantly, Nyquist is a BEAST. Dare I crown him the NHL's best offensive player since getting hot January 16th? 11 goals and 22 points in 16 games since then.

phaneuf6
03-07-2014, 10:58 PM
You could crown him that but Phil Kessel might have something to say about it.

Kyle
03-07-2014, 11:09 PM
Checked his game log. Wow, that is a crazy hot streak hes on. Wouldn't have expected anyone to outscore Nyquist over that stretch.

That said, its almost equally impressive he and his line are so shitty and useless defensively that hes somehow just +5 since his streak started while scoring about 2 PPG for an entire month. Thats pretty staggering. Nyquist is +10 with a third less production. Scoring a goal means no more than failing to stop one by your opponent!

phaneuf6
03-07-2014, 11:39 PM
I mean, +10 over 16 is a bit misleading with his +4 tonight. Even so, Nyquist averages 4 less minutes per game, less opportunity to be on the ice for goals against. Phil's been on the ice for 113/189 of Toronto's goals this year... it's been pretty impressive. (Nyqvist at 55/171).

Kyle
03-07-2014, 11:45 PM
I'm not about to call Nyquist a player of Phil Kessel's caliber. I'm just ecstatic that it isn't totally stupid to mention them in the same sentence right now which says how far hes come along. Detroit is hugely high on this new star. Toronto must be happy with their star too. Kessel's a beast, Besides that, he spared the Leafs and Toronto a lot of shame by simply being an awesome player and justifying that deal. Im a fan. I was just reaching for a response. ;) Its a competitive league, its hard to pull ahead with +/-.

Dubz
03-07-2014, 11:49 PM
Hey Kyle since you love stats so much check out Nyquist without Franzen? I really have no idea but would also like to point out theres NO WAY he should have not been on the team to start this season.

Dubz
03-07-2014, 11:52 PM
I mean, +10 over 16 is a bit misleading with his +4 tonight. Even so, Nyquist averages 4 less minutes per game, less opportunity to be on the ice for goals against. Phil's been on the ice for 113/189 of Toronto's goals this year... it's been pretty impressive. (Nyqvist at 55/171).

I love a stats man :D

Kyle
03-08-2014, 12:33 AM
Yeah I still don't understand the business side of what went down there to leave Nyquist off for so long. Any game he missed was a huge loss for Detroit. I guess at the time it was assumed this would be Weiss' production, not Nyquist's.

chgorman
03-08-2014, 10:49 AM
He was the only player on the roster at the time who didn't have to clear waivers to be sent down, and they were over the roster limit to start the season, so it was either send Nyquist down or possibly risk losing somebody who - at the time - they didn't want to risk losing, on waivers.

In hindsight, FUCK SAMUELSSON. Putting him on waivers would've been the move, or even Eaves, or Cleary. I don't think Glendening was up with the team at the time. I wouldn't have been upset if they put Quincey on waivers, although he at least is playing *slightly* better since the break.

In hindsight, finding a way to have him on the roster from the start of the season would have been the right move, but they obviously felt at the time that sending him down was in their best interests. Just shows that Kenny H isn't immune to bad decisions.

phaneuf6
03-08-2014, 11:25 AM
I think the thing I've come to realize with a few of my buddies being just on that verge of becoming regular NHLers is that a lot of NHL GMs underestimate the mental impact being sent down multiple times can have on a player. I think where Detroit does a great job is, sure they may leave a player to develop in the AHL for too long in some cases, but for the most part, when a player is called up, he stays up.

Kyle
03-08-2014, 06:36 PM
I think the thing I've come to realize with a few of my buddies being just on that verge of becoming regular NHLers is that a lot of NHL GMs underestimate the mental impact being sent down multiple times can have on a player. I think where Detroit does a great job is, sure they may leave a player to develop in the AHL for too long in some cases, but for the most part, when a player is called up, he stays up.

Yeah, not from any experience of my own but I would imagine theres some sort of stacking difficulty in maintaining your style of play when you're jumping back and forth like that all the time. It can't be mentally easy to hear you're good enough to play in the NHL, and then hear otherwise and get sent back down, over and over. At some point you'd assume any man would start questioning and second guessing himself on the ice in a desperate attempt to not get sent down again.

Kyle
03-08-2014, 06:40 PM
Every one of the 5 games left tonight have significant playoff implications on the Wings. I'll be paying attention tonight

Kyle
03-09-2014, 07:12 PM
Well, everyone we didn't want to win last night won, every game that couldn't go into OT went, and today opens up with a 0-3 loss to the Rangers. Thats a bad 24 hr momentum swing! Looks like its going down to the final four games again!

chgorman
03-15-2014, 11:27 AM
Dirty shootout winner by Tats last night.

Does that Pulkinen kid ever have a shot! Wow!

chgorman
03-18-2014, 08:30 AM
Gonna be an interesting game tonight - Leafs vs. Griffins!

chgorman
03-18-2014, 11:44 AM
Wow, just read that the Wings are so fucked by injuries right now, they're going to play Brendan Smith at forward on the 4th line tonight. That's messed up.

Dubz
03-18-2014, 01:57 PM
You know you are hurting when you are rostering Tootoo :p

chgorman
03-18-2014, 03:32 PM
They just sent him down to GR, haha.

You know your career is over when - as a forward - a team would rather play their 4th/5th D-man at forward on the 4th line in a game vs. a division rival with huge playoff implications, instead of putting you in the lineup.

Sounds like maybe he lost his edge when he got his alcoholism issues and personal demons under control.

toronto1979
03-18-2014, 03:34 PM
Sounds like maybe he lost his edge when he got his alcoholism issues and personal demons under control.
Theo Fleury 2.0

Kyle
03-18-2014, 07:03 PM
:lol: Nice, Toronto :lol:

Great goal by Nyquist just now. What a burst of speed

Kyle
03-18-2014, 09:44 PM
Woot. Suck it Leafers! 5 points behind with 2 games in hand. Was a great game though. Howard was the difference IMO.

chgorman
03-18-2014, 10:00 PM
Woot. Suck it Leafers! 5 points behind with 2 games in hand. Was a great game though. Howard was the difference IMO.

Agreed, the Red Griffs... err... Griffings... err, DET looked good. Both teams did. Jimmy definitely the difference, although Nyquist was pretty decent too.

two24four
03-18-2014, 10:05 PM
Good game by the Wings. Howard won the game. Kessel could have had a hat trick.

Ericsson is now out 2 weeks. Wow.

Kyle
03-18-2014, 10:11 PM
Just what the Wings needed. So now Smith moves back and they call up another Griff player? :lol:

chgorman
03-19-2014, 05:51 AM
That's now 6 games in row that DET has lost a player to injury. That's gotta be some sort of record, or at least close to one. Unbelievable. The hockey gods definitely do not want the Wings to keep the playoff streak alive.

With Ericsson out, I imagine Smith moves back to D, Pulkinen draws in for next game. Smith looked a little lost out there one the wing anyway.

Dubz
03-19-2014, 10:22 AM
Fuck you guys

Kyle
03-20-2014, 03:51 PM
Alfy - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Legwand - Datsyuk - Franzen
Tatar - Helm - Abdelkader
Weiss - Sheahan - Jurco

With Emerton, Anderson, Eaves, Miller, and Bertuzzi all waiting to back up. Its just a pipe dream obviously but since we can't ever watch the Wing's healthy roster on the ice I can only drool at it on paper. This team is very stacked on forwards, especially the last 3-4 good years for Dats and Zetts as everyone else like Tatar/Nyquist/Jurco/Sheahan will keep improving. Whatever happens with this playoff run minus 6 of our top 12 ( and two of the best 10 players in the world In Dats/Zetts), this team is in great shape going forward.

The sad thing is if they don't make it in this year half of the morons surrounding me in Detroit will be calling for Babcock's head. When the truth his hes done a remarkable job in even keeping this gimp roster in contention. The Penguins have missed more man games but nowhere near the significance of the injuries the Wings have had to navigate. They can play Crosby and Malkin 22 minutes a night while the Wings don't have a skilled forward they can push more than 18 minutes right now. Drew motherfucking Miller was the only Wings forward above 18 minutes vs the Leafs a few nights ago putting in a whopping 20 minutes. Luke Glendening played 18 minutes and he was supposed to be years away from an NHL debut. Babcock has to give first line minutes to 4th line specialists AKA players that are almost guaranteed to not produce offensively and basically limit himself to 2-1 or 3-2 wins. And he somehow has the team competing under that handicap.

Endless kudos to the job hes done. And if he miraculously pulls out ahead in this congested dogfight for those wild card spots, he deserves every consideration a coach can get for the season hes had.

Snipes16
03-20-2014, 04:02 PM
I haven't had the chance to catch many Wings games this year but saw them last week and thought Dekeyser looked especially good on the blueline. Wasn't he the kid that was highly touted out of college? Idk, but he looked good to me.

chgorman
03-20-2014, 04:20 PM
Alfy - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Legwand - Datsyuk - Franzen
Tatar - Helm - Abdelkader
Weiss - Sheahan - Jurco

With Emerton, Anderson, Eaves, Miller, and Bertuzzi all waiting to back up. Its just a pipe dream obviously but since we can't ever watch the Wing's healthy roster on the ice I can only drool at it on paper. This team is very stacked on forwards, especially the last 3-4 good years for Dats and Zetts as everyone else like Tatar/Nyquist/Jurco/Sheahan will keep improving. Whatever happens with this playoff run minus 6 of our top 12 ( and two of the best 10 players in the world In Dats/Zetts), this team is in great shape going forward.

The sad thing is if they don't make it in this year half of the morons surrounding me in Detroit will be calling for Babcock's head. When the truth his hes done a remarkable job in even keeping this gimp roster in contention. The Penguins have missed more man games but nowhere near the significance of the injuries the Wings have had to navigate. They can play Crosby and Malkin 22 minutes a night while the Wings don't have a skilled forward they can push more than 18 minutes right now. Drew motherfucking Miller was the only Wings forward above 18 minutes vs the Leafs a few nights ago putting in a whopping 20 minutes. Luke Glendening played 18 minutes and he was supposed to be years away from an NHL debut. Babcock has to give first line minutes to 4th line specialists AKA players that are almost guaranteed to not produce offensively and basically limit himself to 2-1 or 3-2 wins. And he somehow has the team competing under that handicap.

Endless kudos to the job hes done. And if he miraculously pulls out ahead in this congested dogfight for those wild card spots, he deserves every consideration a coach can get for the season hes had.

Eaves was part of the Legwand deal I believe, along with Jarnkrok. He's no longer with the team as far as I know. Otherwise, I completely agree with your post. The fact that Babs has been able to keep this injury depleted team in contention for a playoff spot while also juggling his responsibilities as coach of the Canadian Olympic team earlier in the season is nothing short of remarkable.


I haven't had the chance to catch many Wings games this year but saw them last week and thought Dekeyser looked especially good on the blueline. Wasn't he the kid that was highly touted out of college? Idk, but he looked good to me.

Yep, that's him. DeK is legit. Needs to develop his offensive game a bit more, but they signed him at the trade deadline last year and he stepped right in and immediately looked like a seasoned vet right away. Great in his own end, makes a great first pass, he's smart, he's physical enough, just needs to develop his play in the offensive zone a little bit. He's already decent in the O zone, but could be better. If he works on that a bit more in the coming yrs, he'll be a complete Dman in a yr or two.

Wings brass said the biggest issue they had in the playoffs last season was losing DeK in the second game of the ANA series, felt he would've been the difference vs. CHI in the 2nd round when the Wings lost to CHI in gm 7 after being up 3-1 in the series. High praise.

Dubz
03-20-2014, 08:33 PM
I doubt Babs has anything to worry about.

Kyle
03-20-2014, 09:29 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO What a finish. The Red Wings 0.5 are more than enough for these defensively deficient Penguins

Alfy has been a free agency milestone for the team. This team essentially built itself through Free Agency in 2000 but you can't credit any one individual pick up to the Wing's success any year more-so than Alfy and what hes meant to the team this year. Easily the team MVP this season and the only consistent bright spot all year long (Even though hes been hurt too). True ageless wonder.

chgorman
03-20-2014, 09:46 PM
I dunno, that meltdown at the end of the second period was embarrassing, and 3 of the Wings goals went in off of Pens D-men. Wings got lucky IMO, which is actually nice for a change, given the recent string of bad luck with injuries and bad bounces. I'll take the 2 pts for sure, but I'm not sure they played all that much better than PIT. Wouldn't necessarily say they earned it or deserved to win.

Dirty butt end by Legwand near the end of the 3rd to give PIT a 5 minute PP, and an absolutely atrociously stupid penalty to take at the worst possible time. Unfortunate, as I didn't think he was that type of player. Malkin seemed to be in supreme pain, couldn't tell if he was embellishing or not. Either way, good on the Wings for killing it it off, but Legwand should know better.

Kyle
03-20-2014, 09:58 PM
Eh, the Penguins didn't produce their second chance of the game until 5 minutes to go in the second. They get another goal due to a puck over the glass. Another due to silly faceoff positioning. Weak ass shot from the point bounces in with seeing eyes. You can discredit the Pens goals just as easily as the Wings. And I'm always the first person to call out a lucky or fluky game (Even when its Detroit that fluked out). This wasn't lucky. 2 of the bounces off Pens players were extremely dangerous situations regardless that they weren't in position to handle.

The Wings were much more dangerous offensively all night with a lineup 50% made up of calder cup winners last season. Those 3 goals in 3 minutes were awful and its a dangerously steady trend this season with the multiple goals scored in a short span (I always used to comment that the Wings must lead the league in multiple goals in short stretches, now they must lead the league in multiple goals allowed in short stretches. Thats what age does), but outside of that we enjoyed 62 minutes of the Wings outplaying a healthier, dominant team 20 points ahead in the standings.

The Legwand penalty was boneheaded, just dumb. Malkin is a little bitch but take it out on the scoreboard, not like that. Thats not how the Wings respond to classless instigators like Malkin. Its been a while since a Wings player has been that dirty. Abdelkader has been a bit borderline but that was just moronic and inexcusable.

chgorman
03-22-2014, 04:04 PM
Fun fact: Gus Nyquist would be on pace for almost 40 goals over an 82 game season had he started the season on the Wings roster and played every game so far at the same pace he's played the rest of his games played so far. Has the most goals in the NHL over the past two months. Another today, the GWG @MIN.

Solid win today. Let's keep this ball rollin'.

Wings pretty much control their own destiny right now with the games-in-hand that they have on the other teams in the playoff race. Gotta just keep winnin'!

Kyle
03-22-2014, 04:15 PM
Yup. Its looking positive as of now. Wings, Lightning, Flyers trending upwards. Maple Leafs and Caps trending down. Great game. Definitely not goalie interference on that 4th goal but it doesn't matter. Good deal.

Kyle
03-22-2014, 10:35 PM
Hoping for a regulation loss by the Capitals tonight here to seal the miserable stretch for the Leafs/Caps and the great upswing for the Wings. Leafs already lost a at least one point to a late goal by the Habs (Is there a worse team in the NHL at defending a lead late than the Leafs? Awful). Flyers did make a comeback but based on the way they look theres no chance they'll miss the playoffs anyway. Wings can keep their sights set on the Rangers and Leafs who seem quite passable.

Kyle
03-23-2014, 07:30 PM
Babcocks finally getting mentioned on NBC for Coach of the Year. Took the NHL long enough to start judging him objectively instead of as "That lucky guy who got to take over Nick Lidstrom's team." The Wings Dynasty died with Nick lidstrom's retirement and every successful season since then has been a testament to Babcock's ability to consistently adapt and stay one step ahead of the league. With or without the roster loaded with hall of fame players (To my count hes working with all of 1 right now with Zetterberg being a rather unlikely second inclusion. Its really just Datsyuk) and whether or not his top guys are healthy he consistently keeps the Red Wings a respectably competitive team that often plays well beyond their skill on paper.

The transformation into quality NHL players (Or even all-star quality in one case) by Tatar/Nyquist/Sheahan/Glendenning/Anderson are all a credit to Babcock, and hes working with a horridly patched up defense that isn't even great when its healthy and keeps his team defensively adept at pretty much all times. He took a mid-tier 2nd pair D-man in Kronwall and helped him not only become a top 10 D-man in the NHL at both sides of the ice, but one of the league's best leaders also, essentially filling in as captain this year.

Also, GO NYQUIST! 2 goals through 1 period so far tonight. Hes really just flat-out ridiculous. Hes Datsyuk with the speed Datsyuk never dreamed of. Sky is the limit for this star.

Columbus lost today (finally) and the Leafs are, as we've come to rely on, playing like shit so far and losing 3-1.

chgorman
03-24-2014, 07:40 AM
I think Zetts will be in the HOF eventually. Maybe not 1st ballot, but he'll be there. He's too good on both sides of the ice and in leadership to not be HOF worthy. Guys like Ovechkin, Malkin, the Sedins, etc will all probably get in before him, but he consistently puts up pts when healthy, is a top 3-5 defensive forward, has two rings and is a great leader. I can't see how he doesn't eventually make it in. It's unfortunate that a guy like Ovechkin will probably get into the Hall before Zetts, considering he brings 40 goals to the table every year but literally NOTHING else, has no rings and tends to disappear when the games matter most.

Gus ON FIRE!!! Nice goals he scored too, not just garbage goals. Too bad Jimmy had to take a loss last night as he was unbelievable in the first two periods. I haven't had a chance to watch the 3rd yet, but he made numerous highlight reel saves in the 1st two periods.

edit: Just watched the 3rd and OT... what goal by Tats! Tough loss after being up 2-0 early but at least they got a point. Jimmy deserved a win. More highlight reel saves in the 3rd and OT.

Brendan Smith getting some mad props from the NBC guys too. That kid's play has improved SO MUCH over the past month it's unbelievable. He looked great all game last night

alias
03-24-2014, 08:40 AM
Nyquist has been unbelievable for you guys, hate to think where the Wings would be right now without him. Team MVP for sure IMO.

chgorman
03-24-2014, 01:02 PM
If he plays all 11 remaining reg season gms and keeps scoring like he has been over the past 2 mths (18 goals in 23 gms, to go along with 11 apples for 29 pts in 23 gms since Jan 20th), he'll hit 30 goals for the season no prob, and may even flirt with 35. Very impressive given that (assuming he hits 30-35) he'll have done it in 57 gms by season's end, and he'll still have less than 100 career gp in the NHL. Not quite Ovechkin-like numbers, but pretty darn good. Not bad for a 4th rd pick. Wings scouting staff unearths another later round beauty. And it's not like he was playing in some remote outpost in Europe and was the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team... He was drafted out of the University of Maine.

Him and Tatar are going to be beasts for the Wings for years to come.

Kyle
03-24-2014, 01:06 PM
Without Nyquist we'd unquestionably be 6-10 points out of a playoff spot right now. Put the team on his back and dragged them through this stretch without Dats/Zetterberg.


oo bad Jimmy had to take a loss last night as he was unbelievable in the first two periods. I haven't had a chance to watch the 3rd yet, but he made numerous highlight reel saves in the 1st two periods.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Howard set the record last night for worst save percentage to STILL receive star of the game honors. Only .840 and 4 goals allowed on 25 shots yet the first thing anyone who watched that game will say is that Howard carried the Wings. It could've been 8 goals on 25 shots. The Wings were pathetic last night. 16 shots to 30? It was embarrassing. Constant turnovers right in front of Howard. Probably the worst game the Wing's forwards and defense have played all season outside Nyquist and Sheahan. Howard was great.

Kyle
03-24-2014, 01:07 PM
Without Nyquist we'd unquestionably be 6-10 points out of a playoff spot right now. Put the team on his back and dragged them through this stretch without Dats/Zetterberg.


oo bad Jimmy had to take a loss last night as he was unbelievable in the first two periods. I haven't had a chance to watch the 3rd yet, but he made numerous highlight reel saves in the 1st two periods.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Howard set the record last night for worst save percentage to STILL receive star of the game honors. Only .840 and 4 goals allowed on 25 shots yet the first thing anyone who watched that game will say is that Howard carried the Wings. It could've been 8 goals on 25 shots. The Wings were pathetic last night. 16 shots to 30? It was embarrassing. Constant turnovers right in front of Howard. Probably the worst game the Wing's forwards and defense have played all season outside Nyquist and Sheahan. Howard was great.

Really Howard has been up to his stellar standard this year. The difference has been the defense in front of him, for sure. No Datsyuk and Zetterberg is simply a 60 minute nightmare for a goalie used to playing behind them. The numbers aren't great but Howard is, as usual, one of the team MVPs.

Kyle
03-25-2014, 08:11 PM
Fuck Phil Kessel, I'll take that kid Nyquist

Edit - Tough loss yet again to the Jackets but at least the Leafs blew it a 6th time in a row and the Caps lost in the SO. Wings still got the ROW advantage over the Caps/Leafs which is looking like it may be relevant.

chgorman
03-26-2014, 10:37 AM
Fuck Phil Kessel, I'll take that kid Nyquist

Edit - Tough loss yet again to the Jackets but at least the Leafs blew it a 6th time in a row and the Caps lost in the SO. Wings still got the ROW advantage over the Caps/Leafs which is looking like it may be relevant.

And they still have a gm in hand on WSH and 2 on the Leafs. Columbus is currently in the driver's seat, with same gms in hand on WSH and TOR and by far the most ROW.

Kyle
03-27-2014, 04:14 PM
How entertaining is it that just two-three years ago the Wings were way too old and due to collapse?

What a rare occurrence in sports for a team considered by far the oldest in the league to become by far the youngest without losing much of their quality. I love the way this front office and coaching dominates the sport the same way New England does in the NFL. These teams can plug and play any variety of talent and reliably count on a similar looking result in-games because the system is that integrated throughout all the players. It doesn't guarantee anything, neither team has won a title 5-6 years, but it certainly gives them a constant year-to-year advantage that allows them to accomplish much more than just the sum of all the player's individual accomplishments. Even when those accomplishments are lacking, like with the Patriots last year or the Wings this year, the system gives them the edge they need to remain competitive anyway.

The scariest thing is, even as young as they are, this Red Wing squad is already elite when healthy, and they aren't due one slight bit of lost talent over the next 5 years with only the potential grow through players like Tatar/Jurco/Nyquist/Glendenning/Dekeyser/Smith/Anderson. This next half-decade of quality play left by Datsyuk and Zetterberg has been met with the perfect storm of a solid cap situation and loads of young talent right on the edge of stardom. If Kenny H can get Alfy to hang around a year or two more, this team can be dangerously good with better luck with health.

Now lets see a regulation win vs Montreal and open up that backdoor chance at 3rd-5th place seed!

chgorman
03-27-2014, 09:25 PM
Another tough loss, Wings looked like absolute crap in the first. But at least it was entertaining!

Kyle
03-27-2014, 11:32 PM
I thought the Wings deserved it for sure. Shitty offsides goal to decide it. Habs were good though and dominated some early parts of the game. PK Subban is so awful in his own zone.

chgorman
03-28-2014, 05:57 AM
I thought the Wings deserved it for sure. Shitty offsides goal to decide it. Habs were good though and dominated some early parts of the game. PK Subban is so awful in his own zone.

Agreed. Everytime I watch the Habs, I wish P.K. was on the Wings due to his offensive output from the back end, but then he makes a play like he did on one of the two Tatar goals last night and it reminds me why Kenny H will never sign him or trade for him as long as he continues to make terrible defensive decisions like that. Seems to happen at least once a game with him, at least of the Habs games I watch, which admittedly aren't many. Not to say that Kron, Ericsson, DeK, Smith etc are perfect, and anybody who reads this thread knows how I feel about Quincey, but none of those guys seem to consistently make the glaring defensive mistakes on a consistent basis that P.K. makes.

And ppl wonder and bitch about why he almost didn't make the Team Canada roster and only played one gm in the tourney, haha. Clearly his defensive decisions and play aren't very good. 2 even strength assists last night and still ended up being -1. Not saying all 3 goals he was on for were entirely his fault, as there's 4 other skaters and a goalie out there with him obviously, but it doesn't look good on the scoresheet. Would look even worse if the Habs had've lost.

alias
03-28-2014, 09:49 AM
And it's not like he was playing in some remote outpost in Europe and was the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team... He was drafted out of the University of Maine.

I dont think thats the case. He was drafted in 2008 and played his first season for Maine in 2008-09. Prior to being drafted he played for Malmo in Sweden. Another incredible find for the Wings by the Sweden scouts.

chgorman
03-28-2014, 10:35 AM
Good catch alias. Guess I didn't examine his profile close enough. Just saw U of Maine and figured that was where they found him.

That said, Malmo is a pretty significant/popular team in the Swedish league, isn't it? Unlike the team that they found Dats playing on in Russia, so my point *kinda* still stands, haha.

Regardless, he's been an absolute saviour for the Wings this season. Another apple last night.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 12:38 PM
Agreed. Everytime I watch the Habs, I wish P.K. was on the Wings due to his offensive output from the back end, but then he makes a play like he did on one of the two Tatar goals last night and it reminds me why Kenny H will never sign him or trade for him as long as he continues to make terrible defensive decisions like that. Seems to happen at least once a game with him, at least of the Habs games I watch, which admittedly aren't many. Not to say that Kron, Ericsson, DeK, Smith etc are perfect, and anybody who reads this thread knows how I feel about Quincey, but none of those guys seem to consistently make the glaring defensive mistakes on a consistent basis that P.K. makes.

And ppl wonder and bitch about why he almost didn't make the Team Canada roster and only played one gm in the tourney, haha. Clearly his defensive decisions and play aren't very good. 2 even strength assists last night and still ended up being -1. Not saying all 3 goals he was on for were entirely his fault, as there's 4 other skaters and a goalie out there with him obviously, but it doesn't look good on the scoresheet. Would look even worse if the Habs had've lost.

Agreed, especially the part about wanting him on Detroit. He looked, for lack of better term, downright beautiful the first 25-30 minutes of play, including a picture-perfect setup enabling the second or third goal (Forgot which). Just looked like a D-man we needed badly on the team in Detroit. Then he has to protect the two goal lead. Hes just a total liability in that scenario. Besides the blatant goal he handed Tatar, he consistently failed to clear, made poor passes out of his zone that constantly turned it over around center ice, and even gets caught pressing with a two goal lead.

Dubz
03-28-2014, 01:07 PM
Another tough loss, Wings looked like absolute crap in the first. But at least it was entertaining!

As a Leafs fan i feel like this most nights

alias
03-28-2014, 01:15 PM
nobody going to mention Kronwall's poor defensive game last night, including getting owned by Vanek? Just PK?

Kyle
03-28-2014, 01:35 PM
Alias, if you really care enough and don't want to take my word for it, I can go show you the tape of that play. Kronwall got owned by nobody, Vanek just got lucky and it made him look great. As soon as Kronwall receives his pass, you can see the puck bounce over his stick. He never had control when Vanek "Stole it" from him. You can actually clearly see Kronwall would've made a pass well before Vanek got close, but the puck instead bounced off and over his stick where Vanek was able to reach it first behind Kronwall and then push his body off it.

100% luck and nothing else to say about that play. Kronwall can't change that. Vanek was able to knock him down because Kronwall was awkwardly twisted and spun around trying to recover a puck that was now behind him.

Now, even if Kronwall wasn't just the victim of bad luck on that play by Vanek (which isn't up for dispute if you watch the video), he still was nowhere near as shitty defensively. He had a typically good game by his standards, while PK had a typical bipolar inconsistent performance with phenomenal highs and embarrassing lows.

alias
03-28-2014, 02:08 PM
Alias, if you really care enough and don't want to take my word for it, I can go show you the tape of that play. Kronwall got owned by nobody, Vanek just got lucky and it made him look great. As soon as Kronwall receives his pass, you can see the puck bounce over his stick. He never had control when Vanek "Stole it" from him. You can actually clearly see Kronwall would've made a pass well before Vanek got close, but the puck instead bounced off and over his stick where Vanek was able to reach it first behind Kronwall and then push his body off it.

100% luck and nothing else to say about that play. Kronwall can't change that. Vanek was able to knock him down because Kronwall was awkwardly twisted and spun around trying to recover a puck that was now behind him.

Now, even if Kronwall wasn't just the victim of bad luck on that play by Vanek (which isn't up for dispute if you watch the video), he still was nowhere near as shitty defensively. He had a typically good game by his standards, while PK had a typical bipolar inconsistent performance with phenomenal highs and embarrassing lows.

By his standards he did not have a good game:


''From the start. We weren't very good in the first period, starting with myself. We were turning the pucks over all over the ice, we weren't skating and we weren't working,'' Red Wings defenseman Niklas Kronwall said.

He was on the ice for 3 goals against and you're the only one I've seen who said that was a luck play by Vanek. But my apologies for posting something negative in the Wings thread for probably the first time ever. Won't happen again.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 03:16 PM
:lol: Dude, lighten up and chill. Feel free to blast the Wings. But I'm gonna respond. What did I even say aggressively towards you? Have an exchange, stop making things personal. I know I've been an asshole in the past but what did I say there outside the realm of a perfectly proper discussion? What are you apologizing for? lol

http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013021095

Watch it yourself Alias. 2:20 it begins. When the tape tells the truth, you can't argue. Just like when I thought the puck might've been frozen on that one goal by the Habs and you proved 100% it wasn't with that video. Just like the video 100% proved that Lucic is a little bitch for that nutt tap. When the video is clear and conclusive, there are no other opinions except from fucking fools(Like Boston fans who somehow don't think Lucic hurt Emelin on that play). Don't be that fool arguing with the conclusive video tape.

Quoting Kronwall? Give me a break man. Hes one of the best leaders in the NHL and always says he needs to play better whether they win or lose. He wasn't great last night. He wasn't bad. He was solid. He didn't get "owned by Vanek," he got owned by a horrible bounce when the pass from his own player hit his stick and bounced over. The Wings won that faceoff cleanly and the steal was only possible because of that bounce. Vanek was already 1-2 strides into his skate meaning he had much more speed and momentum going than Kronwall who had to essentially track the puck and start skating in a new direction. Vanek had every advantage once the puck bounced over Kronners stick. Again, strong play by Vanak but one born completely out of a lucky bounce over Kronwall's stick on a perfectly safe play.

Please tell me why you disagree with any of that above paragraph, if you do.

Kronwall goes entire seasons avoiding one boneheaded play like the one Subban made to hand Tatar that goal. Kronwall was nowhere near good by his standard last night but Subban still made more of an impression on me for being such a liability with a 2 goal lead.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 03:44 PM
As a Leafs fan i feel like this most nights

I think on nhl live they were saying this is the Leafs are on the worst stretch of consecutive 1st periods since 1990 by any team. I think 17 goals allowed in the last 7 games in the first over a 1-6 stretch.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 08:36 PM
Wow, the leafs just had THE most pathetic powerplay ever at the end of the third to seal the game for Philly. Could've been 3 shorthanded goals against. They lose, and so does Columbus. Great night for Detroit, essentially wipes away last night's loss. Washington has a tough match tomorrow vs Boston and the Wings have a little-to-lose match vs Toronto with still two games in hand and tied in points. Great chance to put them away for good and make it 8 losses in a row for the Leafs.

5th and 6th place are just about out of reach barring an epic collapse by the Flyers/Rangers. Still a huge dogfight for 7th and 8th,

Doctego
03-28-2014, 09:25 PM
What is the consensus on Tatar? I picked up Cammalleri at the end of his hot streak and he's cooled off. I'm thinking of swapping the 2.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 09:30 PM
Hes not a fantasy winner just yet Doc but should certainly stay on some sort of 1 goal/1 assist every 3 games pace to finish the last 10 games which is better than nothing. He has endless powerplay time and top-line minutes ahead of him to finish the year and seems to be catching fire.

7 pts his last 5 games is not what I'd expect but I would certainly count on more than his season averages. And hes a backdoor potential slam dunk if he does somehow keep this pace up with Nyquist and could very well give you 5 goals/10 points before the seasons end if thats the case.

Edit - Its amazing how many moron Detroit fans think Gust is better than Howard. Mind-blowing, even. Gust's win/loss numbers are so insanely misleading.

Doctego
03-28-2014, 09:33 PM
Hes not a fantasy winner just yet but should certainly stay on some sort of 1 goal/1 assist every 3 games pace to finish the last 10 games which is better than nothing. He has endless powerplay time and top-line minutes ahead of him to finish the year and seems to be catching fire.

7 pts his last 5 games is not what I'd expect but I would certainly count on more than his season averages. And hes a backdoor potential slam dunk if he does somehow keep this pace up with Nyquist and could very well give you 5 goals/10 points before the seasons end if thats the case.

Without wanting to hijack this thread much longer, would you make the swap? It looks like Detroit has 2 more games this week while Calgary has 1. I think that they both have 3 games next week.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 09:35 PM
Just based on me simply not expecting Cammalleri to re-ignite and Tatar currently peaked out on confidence, I'd say yes. If Cammalleri doesn't go cold the last two games I'd have said no. But with so few games left I like your chances of getting more out of Tatar, especially with an extra game to produce.

Kyle
03-28-2014, 09:40 PM
Well, Cam just put in another goal and assist with 20 left to play. You might be over-thinking, the upside might not be worth it.

Doctego
03-28-2014, 09:45 PM
I just noticed that. I might just drop Selanne for another RW and keep monitoring these guys.

Rocklobster
03-28-2014, 10:58 PM
I just noticed that. I might just drop Selanne for another RW and keep monitoring these guys.
Selanne hasn't played back to back games all year so he will probably sit tomorrow. Also he was bumped from the 1st line if that helps with your decision.

Kyle
03-29-2014, 07:35 PM
The Leafs are the most pathetic team defensively...hopefully I'm not jinxing anything with the 3-1 lead but they just look like dogshit right now. Really poorly coached team with no structure at all to their play.

Edit - Yup. That team blows. They're just about out of the race now with wins by the Wings and Blue Jackets tonight.

Helm looked ridiculous out there. Hes so fucking fast. In a healthy season the Wings could expect 20 goals from Helm, Tatar, Alfy, maybe Shaehan and Legwand, and 25-30 from Nyquist, Zetterberg, Franzen, Datsyuk. They can definitely be one of those 5 or so teams scoring 3 goals per game. I say it too much but this team is truly stacked going forward.

Dubz
03-30-2014, 04:57 PM
Congrats on both the nails the Wings put in the Leaf coffin the past two meetings. I felt it was the team that won those would have the best shot at the show. Good Luck Wings fans

Kyle
03-30-2014, 05:05 PM
Thanks Dubs. Rough break for Leafs fans the way the last few seasons have ended. That team in Toronto is still loaded with potential and just needs the right coaching.

Nyquist just keeps scoring and scoring. Its absurd at this point. 1 goal in the first vs TB with 40 to play. He just passed Jeff Carter with 27 goals and tied Parise, Vanek, and Hossa in nearly 20 less games.

WIS
03-30-2014, 06:37 PM
Thanks Dubs. Rough break for Leafs fans the way the last few seasons have ended. That team in Toronto is still loaded with potential and just needs the right coaching.

Nyquist just keeps scoring and scoring. Its absurd at this point. 1 goal in the first vs TB with 40 to play. He just passed Jeff Carter with 27 goals and tied Parise, Vanek, and Hossa in nearly 20 less games.
Nice to hear. I agree with the coaching the more this season winds down.

Not bad on Nyquist. That other kid they drafted and traded in Jarnkok ain't doing too bad either.

Kyle
03-31-2014, 02:40 AM
Jarnkok has worked out phenomenally for both sides. Nashville gets a high end prospect in a season they had no chance at the playoffs and got some value out of Legwand before he got old. The Wings got everything they could've dreamed of and more out of Legwand including an overtime game winner that could decide the playoff race. 9 pts in 13 games for Detroit is way more than Jarnkrok produces at this point and hes a rugged, physical two way player Detroit leans on in the final minute with a 1 goal lead. Hes one of the main reasons the team is pushing into the playoffs without Dats or Z healthy.

In a few years Detroit will certainly wish they had Jarnkrok but the deal was a home run both ways considering what Detroit needed this year. A proven vet who spent his whole career playing against the Wings including a recent 4-1 playoff series win instead of the 500th youngster on our lineup. Just what the Dr. ordered.

chgorman
03-31-2014, 09:30 AM
Agreed, great trade for both sides. woulda been nice to be able to keep Jarn around, but with the lineup DET can put out on the ice when everyone is healthy, he'd end up being stuck on the 3rd line at best, more likely 4th line as long as Dats, Zetts and the Mule are all around, which will likely/hopefully be another 4-5 seasons.

With everyone healthy, I imagine next year's forward lines could potentially look like some variation of this, and this is without even counting Legwand, Alfredsson, Bert, Cleary and Sammy, who are all UFA after this season and may or may not be resigned:

Zetts-Dats-Franzen
Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist
Jurco-Helm-Abdelkader
Andersson-Weiss-Miller

Probably safe to say that Bert, Cleary and Sammy are all gone after the current season, Could definitely see Alffy back and possibly Legwand too, so you add one or even both of those guys to the lineup above and there's clearly no spot for Jarn, as I believe he's a C, which they have a surplus of with 10 of the 12 players listed above being able to play C, 13 if you count Legwand, 14 if you want to say that Alffy can play C even though he rarely ever does anymore.

Jarn wasn't going to be the difference in them making the playoffs or not, so that trade was a great move by Ken H. Legwand certainly isn't the sole reason they're in a playoff spot right now, but he's contributed a lot more towards it than Jarn would have at this point in their respective careers.

Kyle
04-01-2014, 11:46 PM
Detroit moves up about 5% to 84% today due to the OT loss by the Blue Jackets and regulation blowout the Caps suffered. The Leafs won but at this point they're chasing Columbus not the Wings and they're still a hope and a prayer away (Only 9% after their win). Leafs winning and Caps losing is a great trade, the Caps were the team with a genuine chance to catch up and now they're both somewhere below 10%.

Not bad moving up 5% while not playing. Tomorrow could essentially seal things assuming neither one of Toronto/Washington wins out.
Oh, and that guy Pavel Datsyuk who some people know of might come back tomorrow also. He should provide a small boost.

The Wings also have a few potentially huge opportunities to make some statements to both of their potential round 1 match ups in upcoming games vs Boston and Pittsburgh. A convincing win vs whoever the Wings end up playing in round 1 would put major pressure on the higher seed and essentially nullify the 8th vs 1st or 7th vs 2nd advantage you'd normally expect for the higher rated team.

Detroit has always looked fantastic vs Boston specifically. The Datsyuk era wings have absolutely dominated the Chara era bruins throughout the years. Including the last few seasons despite Bostons 10-20 pt advantage in the standings every year.

Hopefully the boys won't have to destroy themselves in the last week of the season and can start the playoffs with fresh legs this time. Win early and seal the playoff spot so the last 2-3 games don't matter, otherwise a repeat of that no-energy game 7 vs Chicago is inevitable.

Kyle
04-02-2014, 09:00 PM
The Wings are playing IMO the worst hockey game I've ever seen from this organization so far vs the Bruins. Its 1-1 100% because howard is spectacular and the Bruins can't seem to finish. This is pathetic, the Wings had 6 shots through 30 minutes. Both Wings powerplay featured 0 seconds spent in the offensive zone.

Boston is dominating the start of the third also and Howard continues to make this one of the most unlikely close games I've ever seen.

Haha. I didn't even finish this post and Boston finally scored to make it 2-1. This game is pathetic! Thank God the playoffs are nearly wrapped up - Detroit clearly can't hang with Boston without Dats/Zetterberg

Edit - Wow, something magical happened there by Nyquist in the third period to cap off one of the most unlikely wins in the last 20 years I've watched the wings play. The 35-20 shot total was unfair to Boston, the game looked more like 50-10. Then all the sudden the team stars playing hockey with 10 left. What a way to virtually seal the playoff spot. Did not deserve this win at all, but that somehow makes it even sweeter!

chgorman
04-04-2014, 12:19 PM
With Bernier out for the Leafs for the rest of the reg season, Wings fans really only need to worry about staying ahead of Washington and/or Columbus now, which is certainly doable given how these three teams have been playing recently.

I usually end up being wrong when I say stuff like this, haha, but I just don't see Reimer keeping the Leafs in the hunt, especially given that DET, CBJ, WSH and NJ all STILL have 2 gms in hand on the Leafs.

Getting Dats back tonight will definitely help!

Kyle
04-04-2014, 11:49 PM
Dats looked solid.

Washington got put away last night. Then Columbus blew it with 3 seconds to go to cost themselves at least 1 guaranteed point vs Chicago. The Wings took care of the Sabres and now the playoffs are almost guaranteed. 96%, Datsyuk can ease back the rest of the way now.

Kyle
04-06-2014, 02:21 PM
Another loss the Wings didn't deserve vs the Habs. It was a onesided game in the Wings favor even when the Habs somehow limped ahead 3-0. The tie by the Wings felt long overdue. Let the foot off the gas though and Montreal finally woke up towards the end of the third. Should've been a blowout for Detroit already but no excuse for letting the Habs score 2 quick goals after a 3-0 comeback.

I guess Detroit was due a loss on a dominating night after that lucky nonsense vs Boston last week ;) Gust looked shaky as hell though. Kind of glad, might shut up some morons who think he should be playing ahead of Howard (A joke to even suggest that).

Kyle
04-09-2014, 01:33 PM
2 games in 2 nights on weekdays? Thats a new one.

chgorman
04-09-2014, 10:10 PM
Woo hoo!!! PLAYOFFS!!!

Kyle
04-09-2014, 10:15 PM
Right on :D Dominated the Pens too...could've been 6-3 if Fleury wasn't amazing and even more amazing in OT. Assuming its Pit 2nd and Det 7th when the season ends, Detroit has to be thinking "Bring that team on again." If the road games go like tonight did I'd say the Pen's home ice advantage wouldn't mean much. Plus we all know we can count on Fleury to choke in the playoffs after a great season :D

Hamsterkill
04-09-2014, 11:29 PM
At the moment, Detroit sits in 8th.

Kyle
04-10-2014, 01:31 AM
Thought Columbus was 3 points back, not 2. That makes things interesting with two games left. No disrespect to the Pens but Detroit and Columbus will be fighting hard to play Pittsburgh instead of Boston.

Hamsterkill
04-10-2014, 01:51 AM
Of course. The Penguins have been showing a lot of vulnerability lately. I still think they'll end up being a pretty tough out for any team because they seem to be getting back to health at just the right time. Even Vokoun should be back by round 1.

Kyle
04-10-2014, 02:14 AM
Yeah, if Fleury (Or Vokoun) plays anything like tonight any team is in huge trouble vs the Pens.

fancy19
04-10-2014, 08:00 AM
I'm going to watch the first two games in Boson so as bad as this sound, I really would like to see the Wings play them!

Snipes16
04-10-2014, 11:58 AM
I'm going to watch the first two games in Boson so as bad as this sound, I really would like to see the Wings play them!

So you are making the trip, good for you guys.

I'll send you a PM tonite to try and provide a tip to avoid landing in the Hernandezville section of town.

Kyle
04-10-2014, 02:51 PM
Woah, now that would be two badass games to see, Detroit vs Boston! Good for you getting some tickets.

Boston vs Columbus would be great too but theres no denying how much more history Detroit has with Boston/Pittsburgh and how much more significant it'll be to their fans to play Detroit instead of Columbus. Much like Anaheim vs Detroit (Or Bos vs Tor) we could be getting a real treat in round 1. If it is Boston/Detroit thats going to be one seriously electric atmosphere in Boston. No matter what its rivalry week now.

Wings last 4 playoff series - Loss to Chicago, Beat Anaheim, Lost to Nashville, lost to San Jose. Thats four of their biggest rivals in the NHL if you ignore ancient history and all that (Which unfortunately the Avs rivalry officially is ancient history). So Detroit has watched 3 of their most hated rivals skate on at their expense in the playoffs the last 3 years. I think they'll be damned before they let one of the only two rivalries left move on for a 4th year in a row (The hatred for Pittsburgh is obvious, and I don't know about Boston fans, but I've always felt a strong professional rivalry between the Bruins and Wings). Boston was clearly that team that joined Chicago in perennially battling for #1 in the NHL after Lidstrom's Wings officially came to an end (It would be SJ but Boston wins in the playoffs and SJ doesn't), and you always felt a playoff-quality atmosphere the few times the Bruins and Wings ran into each other the last 3-4 seasons. The Bruins are the epitome of the Red Wing's template, two way forwards and sound defensive hockey while rolling out 4 lines that can genuinely score. No one leading the league at anything in Boston yet the overall team stats are always phenomenal and near the top, and lead yearly by a norris trophy finalist in Chara. Bruins players all over the top 5 in +/-. Total shades of Lidstrom's Wings and without ever saying it I think both teams have embraced that and use it as motivation to rise to the occasion when they play each other. Boston likes to flex and establish that they took over and the Wings like to point out that they're still here. Last week's disaster (Minus Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Iginla, and others) aside, these two teams always play remarkable games vs each other.

Kyle
05-09-2014, 02:32 PM
The more I see of this Matt Niskanen, the more I'm all for these rumors of Kenny H being intensely interested in acquiring him. One of the only players on that roster who actually looks downright GOOD in his own zone on defense and with loads of offensive starpower to boot. Hes one of those "faux-elite" type of players who needs to shine on the 2nd pairing and not vs top competition, but Detroit has a great top pair and only needs defensive depth. Hes a perfect Brian Campbell type with even more potential upside, playing similar minutes with similar production as Keith/Seabrook due to the latter pairing taking the more difficult match ups. Detroit has the top talent to ensure Niskanen continues matching up against modest competition. He can be the 1-B guy who plays as many minutes as Dekeyser/Kronwall (or Ericcson/Kronwall) vs weaker players and in more offensive scenarios. He'd be on the 1st line powerplay for sure which would complete the 2nd PP of Sheahan/Nyquist/Tatar/Dekeyser and Alfy on the point (Or Ericcson if Alfy hangs em up).

Hes the right handed shot Kenny H has been chasing after for years. The Wings would answer so many doubts by locking him up for 4-5 years

Hopefully this isn't typical B_illin optimistic nonsense (Mike Babcock on the Leafs?! MIKE BABCOCK ON THE LEAFS!? Come on dude!!) because the rumors are buzzing and I hope there's some weight to them.

Hamsterkill
05-09-2014, 02:43 PM
There's a decent chance Niskanen makes it to July 1, so no, not an overly optimistic wish. The Pens likely want to bring him back, but do have Pouliot just about NHL-ready as well and have a LOT of player signing to try to do this offseason.

Kyle
05-09-2014, 02:48 PM
Wow. http://www.capgeek.com/penguins/

You certainly weren't exaggerating with a LOT of re-signing needed this offseason.

To the best of my ability to roughly calculate, I'd say the Penguins are 7-9 million behind what they'd need to resign their entire team today. You have to assume letting Vokoun's 2 mill walk is a given but thats still a 5-6 mill contract away from a comfortable cap situation. With Niskanen well in line for a 100% pay raise from his current 2 million (Or even more than 100% past 4 million) it seems like a logical solution.

Tell ya what, I thought Kunitz was an overpayment but now looks like a steal locked in at 3.8 for all these years. Just goes to show the harm of prematurely evaluating long term deals.

Hamsterkill
05-22-2014, 05:47 PM
Niskanen may have just become a bigger priority for the Pens with Pouliot and Maatta both possibly missing the start of the season after having surgery.

Jake
06-19-2014, 09:55 PM
Good bye Sammy, Bert, and Tootoo....and hopefully Cleary. Holland has made some subpar signings and decisions the past few years, I hope his slump is over.

Kyle
06-19-2014, 10:16 PM
Good bye Sammy, Bert, and Tootoo....and hopefully Cleary. Holland has made some subpar signings and decisions the past few years, I hope his slump is over.

Can't agree that he's been slumping. Who has Kenny H missed out on that he was supposed to get? Who has he released that we wished he would've kept? Who did signing those guys cost us? Every 1 million dollar player who sits in the minors is not a blemish on Kenny H's record, especially since they only rotted away because a lot of rookie's played unpredictably great last year. None of those guys have had any impact remotely imaginable to the Wing's cap situation and acquisition plans. They were all placeholder contracts to avoid a big free agency signing that will cost the team one of it's countless talented prospects and upcoming NHL stars due for a new contract in the next 2-3 seasons. All injury-replacements signed for the short-term with excess cap space that weren't needed due to the obviously stellar play of many rookies last year.

Yes, there is Stephen Weiss, but I don't think anybody in the world called him a bad acquisition until it became apparent that he just wasn't capable of scoring on this team. That to me is just horrible misfortune and certainly a weak point on Holland's last 5 years, but not an example of poor or slumping management.

To me, a useless FA signing is not a bad move, its a useless move, and Kenny H and every other GM in sport's history have made countless useless moves in their career. Doesn't mean they're "Slumping." You don't hold useless moves against a GM, you weigh how many moves he's made to help the team and compare to how many detrimental moves he's made to hurt them. How did signing any one of those 4 guys hurt or even affect the team? Who did we lose to sign them? The answers are "They hurt us in no way" and "we lost nobody for them." So who cares? I know you hate all those guys, but do you really think them being on the team meant anything last year, or that they were intended to be big pieces when they were signed in the first place?

Not only do I disagree that he's slumping, I think he's done quite well actually. You can say he hasn't made "good moves," and that it's a problem, but that's nonsense because it means you're saying a good GM signs guys like Parise or Suter. Which is just ridiculous. Those guys don't make decisions based on which GM they'll be playing for. Thats not part of the GM's job. If you think Hull, Hasek, Robitaile and gang joined Kenny Holland in 2002 and not Scotty Bowman, Steve Yzerman, Lidstrom, Federov, etc., you're fucking insane. The GM does the talking but they can't offer any of the appeal. A good GM's defines himself through stellar drafting and instituting a prospect system that feeds his NHL club quality players without having to pay free agency premium prices. Holland has done that as good as any GM in the NHL the last 5-10 years according to the Wing's prospect system's 3rd place ranking on HockeysFuture.com.

By not making big moves, Kenny H has ensured we'll see Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, Smith, Andersson, and Jurco play their youthful primes in Detroit jerseys. That's a major success. The fact that they're already a playoff contender with all those guys even yet to approach their potential is another major success. A slump would be prospects flying away every year for veterans that don't work out. Kenny H hasn't done that with anybody in years except Legwand who was a smashing hit in a Wing's uniform and a valuable piece moving forward if he hangs around.

He even had the wisdom to understand Brunner was a dud and not pay him what seemed like a modest 3.5 mill after a promising first season. Now New Jersey is dealing with that streaky fluke scorer who embarrasses himself in his own end with his half-assed work ethic. Started out nearly a PPG and finished with like 5 points his last 40 games. I see more reasons to trust in Kenny H's direction than to doubt it.

Jake
06-20-2014, 05:41 PM
His drafting is still top notch (but I was mad when Puempul was there and they traded down), but they still haven't gotten a replacement for Rafalski and Mule over Hossa still stings. It just seemed as though they had a lot of money and ice time tied up in old washed up players instead of retaining a younger guy like Flip and continuing to build from within. Weiss had a shitty year before they signed him and he has continued to be terrible. He is still a top 5 GM, but his signings have not been what they once were, he has had more misses than hits as of late ( Dekeyser was a grand slam). I guess only time will tell.

Kyle
06-20-2014, 06:36 PM
For sure. I think resigning Legwand is important also, or else losing Jarnkrok for nothing would look terrible.

chgorman
06-21-2014, 07:54 PM
Legwand was not a smashing hit in a Wings uni. He was solid for his 1st 5-10 gms with the team, helped get them into playoff position, then he tailed off hard. By the playoffs, he was centering or playing wing on the the 4th line, and not producing anything. Everything I've read says he's not going to be resigned.

Not saying it was a bad move, as he was needed when they traded Jarn for him given the injury situation, but to call him a smashing hit is inaccurate IMO.

Bottom line, Kenny's teams have made the playoffs every year since he's been GM. I know first round - and even second round - exits are unacceptable for most Wings fans, but he's done - and continues to do - a fantastic job managing this team, the cap, the Griffs, etc.