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gogoayane
06-05-2007, 03:44 PM
Rules of Ayane HI Keeper's League:


12 teams - HTH - 24 rosters spot

3C, 3RW, 3LW, 1F, 1W, 4D, 2UTIL, 2G, 5 Bench


Categories

G A PIM +/- PPP SHP GWG SOG
W Saves SV% GAA SO


Initial Draft

Standard yahoo live draft (therefore rank order is random) - all
players available will be based on yahoo database - anyone else that
is not in the yahoo initial draft will be available through waiver.

Waiver - 40 max move per season


Trades

Trade pending for one day - any objection can use the veto button or
post on board.
- there will be no trading throughout the playoff. Afterward,
managers will be required to select their keepers before starting
the off season where trades can happen (with draft picks and players
that are kept)


Keeper rule

- at the end of the season, we will decide who we keep and drop - we
can do that maybe in August or something
- you can keep 8 players from your team
- you can also keep an additional 3 players who are either a rookie
or played in his 2nd year (determined based on games played - over
22 games = 1 year)
- in total, you can keep 11 players (8 veterans + 3 farm) out of 24
players
- if you decided to keep only 8 veterans and no farm player, those 3
farm spots are treated as draft picks for you to fill up the missing
spots AFTER the free agent draft

Farm Players
- 3 farms can be kept on top of the original 8 keepers in a team
- a player is only considered
as a farm player if he played in two or
less seasons prior to the start of a new season
- minimum game played to be considered as a season is 22

Doctego
06-05-2007, 03:45 PM
I don't think that I am in this league.

gogoayane
06-05-2007, 03:47 PM
I don't think that I am in this league.

Ya not in this one Doc, but I think there's managers leaving the league so if you are interested, you are more than welcome to join!

suckerpuncher
06-05-2007, 04:20 PM
Here is a list with all the participants (and a link to their profile to contact them, just in case ;) ):



Team HI Name Note
Ayane gogoayane (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=706)
Rico Keeper rico3994 (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1218)
Suicidal Sabres glooyenga (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1006)
Fish Finder Jake (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=661)
Rule to Drool big_dl (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1279) Dead Team
The Papaya Heretics Amazing Oopah (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=808)
Hawkeye Hawkeye (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=728)
Snipers 'n Dawgs Roy Hinske (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=194)
two24four II two24four (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=715)
Invisible Knights invisible_knight (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1211) Dead Team
suckerpuncher suckerpuncher (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=798)
Tyler's Exorcists tyler0896 (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=236)


And of yourse I'm in.

Hawkeye
06-05-2007, 04:26 PM
I'm still in Ayane... Tell me when we choose to keep our players

Jake
06-05-2007, 04:29 PM
I'm still in it

Amazing Oopah
06-05-2007, 04:57 PM
Papaya Heretics will be back to defend the title, though I still don't know how I won with Raycroft as my second goalie :lol:

two24four
06-05-2007, 05:25 PM
I will be back, sorry I have not checked the groups page for a long time, I voted that I will be back, there a few mins ago.

If anyone is looking too trade with me, just send me a PM here & we can talk, thanks.

gogoayane
06-05-2007, 05:34 PM
Here is a list with all the participants (and a link to their profile to contact them, just in case ;) ):



Team HI Name Note
Ayane gogoayane (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=706)
Rico Keeper rico3994 (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1218)
Suicidal Sabres glooyenga (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1006)
Fish Finder Jake (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=661)
Rule to Drool big_dl (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1279) Dead Team
The Papaya Heretics Amazing Oopah (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=808)
Hawkeye Hawkeye (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=728)
Snipers 'n Dawgs Roy Hinske (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=194)
two24four II two24four (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=715)
Invisible Knights invisible_knight (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=1211) Dead Team
suckerpuncher suckerpuncher (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=798)
Tyler's Exorcists tyler0896 (http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/member.php?u=236)
And of yourse I'm in.

wow perfect.

Just a quick scan I think all ten active managers will return.

FYI all the teams are posted up in the yahoo group so start trading away.

gogoayane
06-05-2007, 05:35 PM
I'm looking for a good goalie, willing to pay extra for him. Send me a PM if interested.

gogoayane
06-05-2007, 05:37 PM
Message from the Group in case you haven't read it yet:

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Hi all,

I've uploaded each manager's team into the Yahoo Group. From that list
of player, please decide on which 11 players (8 rosters + 3 farmers) to
retain and let me know by July 15, 2007. You may send it to me via
email at gogoayane@yahoo.com (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/hikeeper/post?postID=RZR9xmP4R8W6RLSCik0V33OMPYJYZk39JF---UYJM6w8eQaS30aUely9m2ZRim5i5YxaXUvGeV4jo-TJfw).

Between now to July 15th, you may email managers to trade players and
picks. I have already uploaded the draft order for the upcoming season.
I am still trying to figure out a way to do the draft but more detail
on this later.

If you made a trade with a manager, please post the trade detail on the
Yahoo group message board.

That's all for now! Good luck next season!

Ayane

suckerpuncher
06-05-2007, 05:57 PM
We should find replacements for those 2 dead teams a.s.a.p. so that these teams can be in the mix for trades etc.


As for the draft there are several ways.
1. We can force all particpants to chose their keepers in the first 8-11 rounds.

2. On the Plus Baseball leagues Yahoo implemented a keeper feature that allows the commish to assign keepers to each team before he draft. Maybe they'll make it available in free Hockey leagues as well.

3. We do a offline draft either here or on the group with a time limit per pick. Maybe 12 hours or less.

There are certainly more ways to do the draft but these are the ones that came to my mind first.

gogoayane
06-05-2007, 06:18 PM
We should find replacements for those 2 dead teams a.s.a.p. so that these teams can be in the mix for trades etc.


As for the draft there are several ways.
1. We can force all particpants to chose their keepers in the first 8-11 rounds.

2. On the Plus Baseball leagues Yahoo implemented a keeper feature that allows the commish to assign keepers to each team before he draft. Maybe they'll make it available in free Hockey leagues as well.

3. We do a offline draft either here or on the group with a time limit per pick. Maybe 12 hours or less.

There are certainly more ways to do the draft but these are the ones that came to my mind first.

I'm working on the two managers... most likely I'll find two replacement by Friday and get the trade going.

For the draft method, I'm also thinking the first option as well since it creates less trouble and better managed... but then if one guy accidently picked the wrong guy during the first 11 pick... i.e. picked J. Staal instead of E. Staal... then we are screwed!

I wish there's a keeper option for hockey too

I kinda don't like the post picks within 12 hours method... it gets too long, things happen during the season at anytime and this delay of time will make it unfair

If required... we'll do the draft at a group chat or something...

let's see what you guys think!

rico3994
06-07-2007, 06:59 PM
For the draft method, I'm also thinking the first option as well since it creates less trouble and better managed... but then if one guy accidently picked the wrong guy during the first 11 pick... i.e. picked J. Staal instead of E. Staal... then we are screwed!

I kinda don't like the post picks within 12 hours method... it gets too long, things happen during the season at anytime and this delay of time will make it unfair

I like the first idea as well. And in case someone screws up - lets say I have Eric Staal and you have Jordan and you pick eric instead...then I will just take Jordan and we can trade after. If you are really worried about it, you can always lock the offending team and drop whatever players he shouldn't have.

two24four
06-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Just for the record, I have both Eric & Jordan Staal, & I'm keeping both ;) :D

gogoayane
06-07-2007, 10:46 PM
I like the first idea as well. And in case someone screws up - lets say I have Eric Staal and you have Jordan and you pick eric instead...then I will just take Jordan and we can trade after. If you are really worried about it, you can always lock the offending team and drop whatever players he shouldn't have.

Sounds good... if you guys are fine with it then it's all good.

gogoayane
06-07-2007, 10:55 PM
There are two teams available for new managers... hopefully I can find someone dedicated to fill these spots.

gogoayane
06-07-2007, 11:02 PM
Invisible Knight:
C Viktor Kozlov
C Joe Thornton
LW Jason Blake
LW Cory Stillman
RW Jeff O'Neill
RW Martin Lapointe
F Olli Jokinen
F Jason Pominville
D Zdeno Chara
D Rob Blake
D Niklas Kronwall
D Ed Jovanovski
Util Eric Lindros
Util Ladislav Nagy
BN Nils Ekman
BN Bobby Holik
BN Tony Amonte
BN Saku Koivu
BN Shane Doan
BN Rene Bourque
IR Jason Arnott
IR Michal Handzus
G Cristobal Huet
G Kari Lehtonen
BN Pascal Leclaire

Rule to Drool:
C Matthew Lombardi
C Mike Ribeiro
LW Rick Nash
LW Fredrik Modin
RW Maxim Afinogenov
RW Scott Hartnell
F Mike Sillinger
F Brendan Morrison
D Dan Boyle
D Marek Zidlicky
D Matt Carle
D Keith Ballard
Util Simon Gagne
Util Ales Hemsky
BN Jay Bouwmeester
BN Kevin Bieksa
BN Sheldon Souray
BN Antti Miettinen
BN Ryan Getzlaf
BN Nikolai Zherdev
BN Cam Barker
IR Phil Kessel
IR Duvie Westcott
G Marc-Andre Fleury
G Roberto Luongo
BN Jose Theodore

suckerpuncher
06-08-2007, 04:24 AM
I hope someone reads about the 2 teams since you told everybody to ignore the thread. :D

Btw. two24four did you read the PM is sent you?

Doctego
06-08-2007, 08:21 AM
If available, I am interested in "Rule to Drool".

Hobbes
06-08-2007, 08:45 AM
If there is room available I'd be interested in joining. I guess I'd get Invisible Knight if I joined...

Doctego
06-08-2007, 09:06 AM
Can you also post some of the standard keeper rules for this league??

suckerpuncher
06-08-2007, 09:23 AM
Here are the keeper rules:


- you can keep 8 players from your team
- you can also keep an additional 3 players who are either a rookie or played in his 2nd year (determined based on games played - over 22 games = 1 year)
- in total, you can keep 11 players (8 veterans + 3 farm) out of 24 players
- if you decided to keep only 8 veterans and no farm player, those 3 farm spots are treated as draft picks for you to fill up the missing spots AFTER the free agent draft

gogoayane
06-08-2007, 11:37 AM
I got 2 PMs last night from HT9 and Pete.

So so far we have HT9, Pete, Doc, Hobbes

Let's see if there are two other teams not returning.

rico3994
06-10-2007, 05:19 PM
I got 2 PMs last night from HT9 and Pete.

So so far we have HT9, Pete, Doc, Hobbes

Let's see if there are two other teams not returning.

You should also post the categories we used. They were a couple more than the standard 5x5. And I think we had a 4 game minimum start for the goalie cats.

gogoayane
06-11-2007, 10:05 AM
12 teams - HTH - 24 rosters spot

3C, 3RW, 3LW, 1F, 1W, 4D, 2UTIL, 2G, 5 Bench

Players: G A PIM +/- PPP SHP GWG SOG
Goalies: W Saves SV% GAA SO
Max move: 40 moves
Min Goalie appearance: 4

gogoayane
06-11-2007, 10:13 AM
HT9 can choose a team between Invisible Knight & Rule to Drool (PM sent)
Pete will have the remaining team.

If another team pops up, Doc will have to option to take over, and then Hobbes

Thanks all!

gogoayane
06-12-2007, 01:05 PM
Hi guys,

new owner for teams:
HT9 - Rule to Drool's team
Pete - Invisible Knight's team

I suggest managers to PM each other now to talk about possible trades. Draft order is set already and posted in the group.

Good luck all!

gogoayane
06-21-2007, 08:22 AM
HT9 will not be joining our league next season.

Doc will take over Rule to Drool's team.

Doc, plz give me your yahoo ID.

Amazing Oopah
07-07-2007, 02:37 PM
can I please get clarification on this... am I crazy or is Lundqvist considered a farm player under the rules? He has played in 2 seasons and is entering his third, so according to the rules as I'm reading them, he fits in? :confused:

tyler0896
07-08-2007, 03:37 PM
Yeah he does. Crazy but it's possible to play over 180 NHL games and still be a farm player.

gogoayane
07-09-2007, 08:19 AM
yup he's considered farm for this season but not after the next.

tyler0896
07-12-2007, 09:50 PM
- you can keep 8 players from your team
- you can also keep an additional 3 players who are either a rookie or played in his 2nd year (determined based on games played - over 22 games = 1 year)
- in total, you can keep 11 players (8 veterans + 3 farm) out of 24 players
- if you decided to keep only 8 veterans and no farm player, those 3 farm spots are treated as draft picks for you to fill up the missing spots AFTER the free agent draft
Is this true? Because I can't find that anywhere on the groups page. What I see there is this:

if you decided to keep only 8 rosters and no farm player, those 3
farm spots are treated as draft picks for your 9th, 10th, and 11th
place, in a way first priority to the FA pool before the other
managers who kept farm players
THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "AFTER THE FREE AGENT DRAFT" AND "FIRST PRIORITY TO THE FA POOL". A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE AS IN THEY ARE POLAR FUCKING OPPOSITES.

Seriously, where did you get that from suckerpuncher?

please respond to this ayane because the deadline's coming up.



Here's another question I have. I'll just cut to the chase instead of asking a hypothetical. I have selanne and I don't know if he's retiring or not. So if I do keep him on the 15th, and then he retires in august or whatever, I'd shed a keeper and move up in the draft. Right?

rico3994
07-12-2007, 10:14 PM
The quote can be found in the GoGo Hi Rules.txt file in the File section of the board. So yes that is the rule.





Here's another question I have. I'll just cut to the chase instead of asking a hypothetical. I have selanne and I don't know if he's retiring or not. So if I do keep him on the 15th, and then he retires in august or whatever, I'd shed a keeper and move up in the draft. Right?

About Selanne, if you use a keeper on him and he retires - I don't think you move up in the draft. I think that you just picked a loser, similar if I kept a guy who was forced into the minors or ended up going to jail. Also, the draft order is set based on the final positions from last year. If you don't keep 3 farm players than you can take some bums and replace them via FAs once the league starts.

tyler0896
07-12-2007, 10:53 PM
The quote can be found in the GoGo Hi Rules.txt file in the File section of the board. So yes that is the rule.

If you don't keep 3 farm players than you can take some bums and replace them via FAs once the league starts.
Then I really just don't understand, I need some clarification.

I'm completely confused when you say "take some bums and replace them via FAs once the league starts". Do you mean that there is simply NO moving up in rounds at all, ie you have to have 11 total picks, one way or another? That would make sense of what you said.

But it would contradict what's in message #1, entitled "Rules of the league".
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/hikeeper/message/1

- if you decided to keep only 8 rosters and no farm player, those 3
farm spots are treated as draft picks for your 9th, 10th, and 11th
place, in a way first priority to the FA pool before the other
managers who kept farm playersThat would make perfect sense to me. Even if it meant, e.g. if you're keeping only 7 but have 3 farm guys, one of your farm guys would move up and take the 8th roster keeper spot, leaving you with 2 farm guys. Then you would have a total of 10 keeper picks, and you'd draft a guy in place of 11th place.


About Selanne, if you use a keeper on him and he retires - I don't think you move up in the draft. I think that you just picked a loser, similar if I kept a guy who was forced into the minors or ended up going to jail.I disagree that minors and jail are the same thing. If a guy goes to jail for life, or if he retires, he's out of hockey forever. But if a guy goes to the minors, he can be traded and/or called up and possibly even have a big season that year. Huge, huge difference. Especially if the guy isn't in the yahoo database anymore at the time of the actual draft. I think that should seal it.

It's significant that the deadline was the 15th and it was arbitrary. But whatever the commish says on this is fine by me.

Roy Hinske
07-12-2007, 11:39 PM
I always assumed it would be at the end of the draft but I might be wrong. We need to know before i declare my keepers.

WIS
07-12-2007, 11:41 PM
I always assumed it would be at the end of the draft but I might be wrong. We need to know before i declare my keepers.

I thought I had this understood as well, but you guys brang up points that have confuesed me. Gogoayane, let's hear it dude.

tyler0896
07-13-2007, 01:11 AM
dp

tyler0896
07-13-2007, 01:13 AM
"roy hinske"I always assumed it would be at the end of the draft but I might be wrong. We need to know before i declare my keepers."
I thought I had this understood as well, but you guys brang up points that have confuesed me. Gogoayane, let's hear it dude.
I guess I'm a dumbass but I can't even picture how that would work out at all. I need more than a ruling. I need an explanation. Not so I can bitch, just so I can draft with some common sense.

I always assumed it would be at the end of the draft but I might be wrong. We need to know before i declare my keepers.
How would it work out if it was at the end of the draft?

Waitaminute ... if 'what' was at the end of the draft? What draft? What draftS? HOW MANY DRAFTS ARE THERE? WHOOOOO? WHEEEENNN? *Face mask clanks down in front of face*

rico3994
07-13-2007, 07:48 AM
They way I assumed it would happen would be that we set up a live Yahoo draft (If we do an offline draft than we wouldn't have to do the first 2 steps)
- The first 8 rounds have everyone pick their keepers
- The next 3 are used to pick your farm guys. If you don't have farm players, you still have to pick someone for your roster, so take some losers that obviously wouldn't be drafted.




I disagree that minors and jail are the same thing. If a guy goes to jail for life, or if he retires, he's out of hockey forever. But if a guy goes to the minors, he can be traded and/or called up and possibly even have a big season that year. Huge, huge difference. Especially if the guy isn't in the yahoo database anymore at the time of the actual draft. I think that should seal it.
I just wanted to bring up the point that if we start making exceptions, where do we draw the line. Leetch sat out a whole year before "officially" retiring; should you get a freebee on him?. Wasn't Mogilny basically not allowed to get out of the minors for cap reasons. I know he was hurt, but there was something going on in the background.

I just think of it as: I have the rights to these 8-11 players, if something happens to one of them, too bad. In the NHL they have rights to players and if a guy screws up or retires, too bad - they don't get an extra pick in the next draft.

gogoayane
07-13-2007, 10:15 AM
Is this true? Because I can't find that anywhere on the groups page. What I see there is this:

THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "AFTER THE FREE AGENT DRAFT" AND "FIRST PRIORITY TO THE FA POOL". A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE AS IN THEY ARE POLAR FUCKING OPPOSITES.

Seriously, where did you get that from suckerpuncher?

please respond to this ayane because the deadline's coming up.



Here's another question I have. I'll just cut to the chase instead of asking a hypothetical. I have selanne and I don't know if he's retiring or not. So if I do keep him on the 15th, and then he retires in august or whatever, I'd shed a keeper and move up in the draft. Right?

1) Suckerpuncher is right - we changed the rule and you don't get first dip on the FA pool. You can fill the remaining spot AFTER the FA draft.

2) If you keep Selanne and he ended up retiring - you've wasted a keeper spot and after the draft, you can fill in the remaining spot but it will count as a move (count as dumping Selanne for a FA player).

Sorry for missing your messages. It's been busy lately.

gogoayane
07-13-2007, 10:16 AM
The quote can be found in the GoGo Hi Rules.txt file in the File section of the board. So yes that is the rule.




About Selanne, if you use a keeper on him and he retires - I don't think you move up in the draft. I think that you just picked a loser, similar if I kept a guy who was forced into the minors or ended up going to jail. Also, the draft order is set based on the final positions from last year. If you don't keep 3 farm players than you can take some bums and replace them via FAs once the league starts.

Exactly.

gogoayane
07-13-2007, 10:58 AM
Hey guys sorry I've been busy with my work lately that I havent' check this thread for a bit. Didn't know there's a huge issue until I got that email from the Group. In future you guys can PM me since I check that regularly. If it's a group issue please let me know and I'll post my response here.

Now to clean things up:

Question on draft and keeper

Tyler - the league rules you were referring to was the initial ruling and it got some outdated information. For the latest one you can check under File > GoGo HI Rules.txt

For the 3 farmers - if you decided that you will NOT choose up to 3 farmers, you can fill those void AFTER the FA draft, following the draft order and sequence.

In total there is only one draft. The FA draft which will take place sometime in mid/late September. It will be done through Yahoo Sports and I will send out detailed instruction then.

When the draft begins, we first draft our 8 veterans, then the 3 farmers (11 players) - if you don't have any farmer, fill up the 3 spots with junk players (I will set up a list of junk players that can be used as filters). AFTER the draft - in order - managers will replace the junk players via the chat box and tell me your picks. I will record it down and make the adjustment when the league is ready. In total we are drafting 13 players (Each team got 24 roster spots).

Retiring players

If your keeper retired after July 15th - you are pretty much stuck with the player and will have to replace him when the league begins. This is how we'll do it:

Let's use Selanne as an example.

If Selanne retires and you have him as a keeper, on draft day you'll use a junk player to replace his spot when you draft your 8 veterans. When the league starts, you'll have time to replace him through FA pool.

Same idea applies for someone that's LTD, out of hockey (jail), etc. I don't think minors will be an issue.

Trades

Before July 15th
- simple trading rules - swap players, swap picks, and just let us know the result
- it's ok that your roster size is over or under 24

After July 15th
- if you decided to swap players and makes your team unbalanced (if after the trade you are up 1 or down 1 player)

a) If you are up a player - treat it as your veterans.. if you are up a player, draft him as your 9th player; if you are up 2 players, draft 10 players before the keeprs etc etc

b) If you are down a player - use junk players to fill up those spots - if you are down a player, draft a junk to fill in your 8th veteran spot; if you are down two players, draft two junk to fill in the 7th and 8th veteran spot etc.

c) If you swap picks - I'll make note of that and on the day of the draft pick, type the player you wanted on the chat screen and your trading partner will pick the player up for you, you guys can do the trade afterward via Yahoo.

Note that if you have a retired player, or is down a player after July 15th, you'll need to use your Yahoo limited roster move to fill in those spots (take those junk players and pick up a FA, AFTER the draft and when the league begins).

Hopefully I've got everything covered. I'm sure there'll be more questions as we are two days away from keepers deadline.

Cheers!

suckerpuncher
07-13-2007, 12:53 PM
Just one more question about our keepers.

The way I understand we have to name our keepers until Sunday 23:59.59.
Do we have to sent them to you or announce them via group page?
And what happens if someone is late and names his keepers a bit later?
It's strange that the deadline is pretty close and no one annouced their keepers yet.

And if we draft mid-September why is the deadline already? There seems to be no hurry since we do a live draft and a lot can happen from now to mid-September.

But if we keep the July 15th deadline I'm also cool with it.

gogoayane
07-13-2007, 01:01 PM
Just one more question about our keepers.

The way I understand we have to name our keepers until Sunday 23:59.59.
Do we have to sent them to you or announce them via group page?
And what happens if someone is late and names his keepers a bit later?
It's strange that the deadline is pretty close and no one annouced their keepers yet.

And if we draft mid-September why is the deadline already? There seems to be no hurry since we do a live draft and a lot can happen from now to mid-September.

But if we keep the July 15th deadline I'm also cool with it.

A few teams actually sent me their keeper lists already. What I would like you guys to do is actually send me the list via PM or via email posted on the Yahoo Group. I will send out the final list of keepers on Monday or Tuesday when I have a chance to input them.

The only reason why we are choosing our keepers now is so the weaker teams might have a chance to balance their rosters a bit more. Like you said, there might be acquistions and trades happening that will affect your keepers and FA pool's value, doing it early will add more suspense as to how the NHL news will affect your keepers' performance.

tyler0896
07-13-2007, 03:54 PM
Thanks for the updates ayane. No worries about the timing, there weren't any questions posted until late last night.



The only reason why we are choosing our keepers now is so the weaker teams might have a chance to balance their rosters a bit more. Like you said, there might be acquistions and trades happening that will affect your keepers and FA pool's value, doing it early will add more suspense as to how the NHL news will affect your keepers' performance.
Thing is, it can affect the weaker teams just as easily as it can affect the stronger teams. It's an equal opportunity land mine. Keeping fewer than 11 players (and not doing the junk-player thing), and using those spots on higher draft choices like round 0, round -1, etc, now that would help out weaker teams. I've seen that method used in a lot of leagues.

Roy Hinske
07-13-2007, 04:42 PM
I'm waiting to see about retirement plans etc and working on a couple of trades.

rico3994
07-14-2007, 01:40 PM
After July 15th
- if you decided to swap players and makes your team unbalanced (if after the trade you are up 1 or down 1 player)

a) If you are up a player - treat it as your veterans.. if you are up a player, draft him as your 9th player; if you are up 2 players, draft 10 players before the keeprs etc etc



I don't have any trades in the works, so I am honestly not bias with this but I don't think that rule is 100% correct. Lets say I have the full 8 + 3 keepers, and I trade my 3rd round pick for another player. According to your rules, when we draft - I would draft my 11 guys than draft the player I acquired. That effectively wastes my first round pick.

If anyone does a trade like that, I think we should figure out a better way to get that player. Maybe make him undraftable and then let the guy take him with his last pick. Any ideas?

gogoayane
07-14-2007, 01:49 PM
I don't have any trades in the works, so I am honestly not bias with this but I don't think that rule is 100% correct. Lets say I have the full 8 + 3 keepers, and I trade my 3rd round pick for another player. According to your rules, when we draft - I would draft my 11 guys than draft the player I acquired. That effectively wastes my first round pick.

If anyone does a trade like that, I think we should figure out a better way to get that player. Maybe make him undraftable and then let the guy take him with his last pick. Any ideas?

That's a good point. I didn't even think of that...

How about this - when you trade for a pick for a player, that player is reserved during the draft and you'll pick him up at the end of the draft.
I.e. if you traded your pick away for a draft (let's say your 3rd round for my Heatley)

During the 3rd round pick, you'll select whatever player I want.. I'll tell you via the chat screen. You'll trade that player to me afterward.

Heatley will remain in the FA pool and I will manually move him to your roster when league begins.

WIS
07-14-2007, 02:20 PM
That's a good point. I didn't even think of that...

How about this - when you trade for a pick for a player, that player is reserved during the draft and you'll pick him up at the end of the draft.
I.e. if you traded your pick away for a draft (let's say your 3rd round for my Heatley)

During the 3rd round pick, you'll select whatever player I want.. I'll tell you via the chat screen. You'll trade that player to me afterward.

Heatley will remain in the FA pool and I will manually move him to your roster when league begins.

Does that mean he's available gogoayane? lol

gogoayane
07-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Does that mean he's available gogoayane? lol

Haha anyone is available man... just gotta pay a price ;)

btw can you guys send me your list in this format:

Dany Heatley (OTT - RW)
Also, indicate if the player is a farmer, helps me so I don't have to check.

that would help me alot. thanks!

gogoayane
07-14-2007, 03:16 PM
I'm thinknig of adding a few awards for individual leaders... things like:
- best team (record)
- most goals
- least penalty

etc

let me know which ones we should add.

WIS
07-14-2007, 03:20 PM
I'm thinknig of adding a few awards for individual leaders... things like:
- best team (record)
- most goals
- least penalty

etc

let me know which ones we should add.

I like the idea of having a few awards. The ones you named are ok with me.

rico3994
07-14-2007, 06:22 PM
I'm thinknig of adding a few awards for individual leaders... things like:
- best team (record)
- most goals
- least penalty

etc

let me know which ones we should add.

Thats, a cool idea - I like it.
You could also have an award for the most injured team :dead:

gogoayane
07-15-2007, 10:31 PM
Hey Managers... don't forget to send me the list... 30 minutes left :)

gogoayane
07-16-2007, 01:30 AM
Right now I am waiting for the list from:

suckerpuncher
doctego

You guys have until end of Monday to send me the list. Any extra day required will reduce your roster movement quota (each team have limited roster movement at 30 a season).

Thanks.

Roy Hinske
07-16-2007, 10:40 AM
I thought they had to be in last night. Any idea when we'll know who left as FA?

gogoayane
07-16-2007, 12:13 PM
no worries guys. I got the rest of the roster this morning so it's all good.

I'll update the teams after work and post it up in the group as soon as I can. You guys will be able to see the FA list tonight (11pm-12am).

Roy Hinske
07-16-2007, 02:53 PM
Sounds good. Thanks.

tyler0896
07-16-2007, 05:00 PM
I thought I saw the term "prospect draft" somewhere in the messages section about a week ago. I think ayane deleted it because it was more outdated info, and now a lot of the earlier messages were deleted.

So there's no prospect draft, right? I'm wondering because I'm thinking about it, and it seems like having the first round pick (which I have) might be more of a disincentive than an incentive to do your best in the playoffs. Yahoo doesn't add rookies to the database until they play an actual game, right? Maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe they do add some of the big names earlier. Anyone remember exactly how it works?

Point is, depending on how it works, the REAL draft could end up being the waiver priority, which of course is the inverse of the draft order. Anyway I can't remember exactly who gets added before the season starts and who doesn't.

rico3994
07-16-2007, 05:09 PM
Point is, depending on how it works, the REAL draft could end up being the waiver priority, which of course is the inverse of the draft order. Anyway I can't remember exactly who gets added before the season starts and who doesn't.

Good call. I am OK with opening this up for debate, but I don't think it would be fair to give the last place team the 1st waiver priority AND 1st draft pick.


no worries guys. I got the rest of the roster this morning so it's all good.

I'll update the teams after work and post it up in the group as soon as I can. You guys will be able to see the FA list tonight (11pm-12am).

Take your time Ayane, I don't want to draft till at least mid August, so knowing my possible FA choices now vs. a couple days from now won't matter.

tyler0896
07-16-2007, 08:48 PM
Actually the last place team doesn't get the 1st draft pick, the 7th place team does. Point being to discourage people who don't make the playoffs from just giving up. Either way, I don't think there's any way to manually change waiver priorities once the league has started.

Jake
07-16-2007, 09:14 PM
Yahoo does delay releasing people (esp/ rookies) into the database, if I recall J. Stall and Ryan Whitney were added late last year, Ovechkin was added late the year before and so on.

gogoayane
07-16-2007, 10:35 PM
Hi all,

Here's the list of keeper and FA. PLEASE CHECK YOUR OWN KEEPERS as I didn't have a chance to double check all of them again... but it should be good.

Not sure if this link works but here it is:
HI Keeper 2007-08 Team and FA 07-16-07.xls (http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sDCcRjWBTnCv_Jd_MiKwr-yRZQ3Z9cvdx3EqbQZ1QeJHnXANWZNP0821-Dg3m9V-FM11taLYjRPLqvrRqEUEUw/2007-08/HI%20Keeper%202007-08%20Team%20and%20FA%2007-16-07.xls)

I've uploaded the file too so you can check it in the group.
There is also a file that keeps track of the trades that have happened so far.

Let me know if you have any question.


Cheers,

gogoayane

gogoayane
07-16-2007, 10:43 PM
Actually the last place team doesn't get the 1st draft pick, the 7th place team does. Point being to discourage people who don't make the playoffs from just giving up. Either way, I don't think there's any way to manually change waiver priorities once the league has started.

I can change the waiver priority manually in the league.

tyler0896
07-16-2007, 10:45 PM
Thanks for all the work ayane. Time to st-eal excel for the 15th or 20th time.

What are your thoughts on the (possible) discrepancy?

gogoayane
07-16-2007, 11:33 PM
Well to be honest I realize that this will be a problem since the start of the league :)

It's actually easy to fix this problem. What we can do is during the draft, you can name the player that you want to pick up during the draft. For example, using J. Staal as an example:

If let's say Staal isn't in the database during our draft day, what I will do is during my turn to pick, on chat screen I'll call out that I am drafting Jordan Staal, and pick up a junk player. The commish will record that and when the time comes when Staal is added, I will add him to your roster. There can be small issues arise from it but I think this is the best way right now to solve this delay problem.

Btw - I will introduce a new draft ranking system next year. It won't be based on your final position but probably based on your season record and past picks placement... let's worry about that later but it's definitely something we'll alter by next off season.

tyler0896
07-17-2007, 01:15 AM
What we can do is during the draft, you can name the player that you want to pick up during the draft. For example, using J. Staal as an example:

If let's say Staal isn't in the database during our draft day, what I will do is during my turn to pick, on chat screen I'll call out that I am drafting Jordan Staal, and pick up a junk player. The commish will record that and when the time comes when Staal is added, I will add him to your roster.
That's fucking awesome. I wouldn't even of thought of it. GJ man :beer:

Hawkeye
07-17-2007, 06:50 AM
Well to be honest I realize that this will be a problem since the start of the league :)

It's actually easy to fix this problem. What we can do is during the draft, you can name the player that you want to pick up during the draft. For example, using J. Staal as an example:

If let's say Staal isn't in the database during our draft day, what I will do is during my turn to pick, on chat screen I'll call out that I am drafting Jordan Staal, and pick up a junk player. The commish will record that and when the time comes when Staal is added, I will add him to your roster. There can be small issues arise from it but I think this is the best way right now to solve this delay problem.

Btw - I will introduce a new draft ranking system next year. It won't be based on your final position but probably based on your season record and past picks placement... let's worry about that later but it's definitely something we'll alter by next off season.

They have to be drafted in the NHL though right??

gogoayane
07-17-2007, 09:21 AM
Couple of things to keep in mind if we use such method:
- You can only name players that will be in NHL this year for sure... you can't start naming Taveres or even Kane (at this point)
- The pupose of this is only to temporary fix the problem Yahoo have
- When a player is added, I can't move the player if someone put a waiver claim on him so we need to make sure people know which player added is untouchable

WIS
07-17-2007, 07:35 PM
I know it's soon, but now that we know who is on the FA market, is that the only players we have to put in when we rank on Yahoo! ?

gogoayane
07-19-2007, 10:42 AM
We won't be ranking through yahoo... we'll be drafting online

On draft day there might be players that aren't available in the draft list, we have a way of including them in our draft (see above).

WIS
07-19-2007, 03:48 PM
We won't be ranking through yahoo... we'll be drafting online

On draft day there might be players that aren't available in the draft list, we have a way of including them in our draft (see above).

So is this going to be a draft where all have to be present at the same time?

gogoayane
07-19-2007, 05:45 PM
yup definitely... so yes in a way you can do your ranking first but make sure you don't rank any of the keepers

Roy Hinske
07-19-2007, 06:03 PM
Is there a list of keepers somewhere? I saw the Fa list but not a keeper list.

rico3994
07-19-2007, 07:22 PM
Is there a list of keepers somewhere? I saw the Fa list but not a keeper list.

Its both - you just need to sort by each owners name

gogoayane
08-27-2007, 05:58 PM
Hey guys. The league has been created. Check the Yahoo Group or email for league # and password.

Good luck!

gogoayane
09-10-2007, 02:42 AM
Changed draft format - please visit Yahoo Group for instruction.

Fish Finder/Jake - you are OTC

gogoayane
09-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Doc you are on the clock and your PM box is full!

WIS
09-10-2007, 11:12 PM
Doc you are on the clock and your PM box is full!

:lol::lol: one of the perks of being a mod.

gogoayane
05-11-2008, 11:44 PM
Hey guys..

I've uploaded all the teams in the Yahoo Group... the keeper list is due on July 15, 08... between now and then you can do trades with other manager (let me know when it's completed)

Can you guys let me know if you'll be coming back next year?

Ayane - back
Rico - back
two24four - back
Doctego
Tyler
Papaya Heretics
Hawkeyes - back
Pete - back
Jake - back
Deuling Dawgz
suckerpuncher - back
Suicidal Sabres

Thanks!

two24four
05-12-2008, 10:55 AM
I will be back for sure..........

If anyone is looking for a D-Man, Lubomir Visnovsky is on the block.

rico3994
05-12-2008, 05:00 PM
I'll be in again. If anyone is looking for a douche bag Ray Emery is on the block :D

rico3994
05-12-2008, 05:17 PM
Actually the last place team doesn't get the 1st draft pick, the 7th place team does. Point being to discourage people who don't make the playoffs from just giving up. Either way, I don't think there's any way to manually change waiver priorities once the league has started.

Is this how we are doing the draft order? I think it is the best way (not only b/c I finished in 7th), but because it gives incentive not to tank in the consolation playoffs. This is the way I order the draft in the baseball league I commish.

gogoayane
05-12-2008, 05:21 PM
Is this how we are doing the draft order? I think it is the best way (not only b/c I finished in 7th), but because it gives incentive not to tank in the consolation playoffs. This is the way I order the draft in the baseball league I commish.

Is that what we agreed on at the start of the season? I believe that is the case.

I'll revise the draft order once I have it confirmed... kinda busy now to look into past messages.

Jake
05-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Back in....I need a goalie

second overall pick
Sundin
Morrow
Langkow
Kaberle
Boyes
Prospal
Letang
Kronwall
Bobby Ryan
Filppula

I will be out of town for about a week and check this when I can, but if you want to make an offer I pm me

Hawkeye
05-12-2008, 07:41 PM
I'm back in for sure... And I believe I have the 2nd overall pick Jake... at least that's what it says on the group page.

two24four
05-12-2008, 07:58 PM
Back in....I need a goalie

second overall pick
Sundin
Morrow
Langkow
Kaberle
Boyes
Prospal
Letang
Kronwall
Bobby Ryan
Filppula

I will be out of town for about a week and check this when I can, but if you want to make an offer I pm me

You have the 1st overall pick..........I'd be willing to trade Biron.

Hawkeye
05-12-2008, 08:06 PM
Jake, if you wanna switch your 1st rounder for mine... I'd be willing :D

For real though, I have alot of depth at center... all young with good potential, I may move one of them for a good offer.

gogoayane
05-12-2008, 09:33 PM
I went back to last year's draft order and 7th place do get 1st round pick... my mistake. I've resent the draft order email.

This is the official draft order for the 2008-09 season.

1. Rico
2. suckerpuncher
3. The Papaya Heretics
4. Suicidal Sabres
5. Hawkeyes
6. Fish Finder
7. two24four
8. Doctego
9. Ayane
10. Deuling Dawgz
11. Invisible Knight
12. Tyler

Hawkeye
05-12-2008, 09:41 PM
I went back to last year's draft order and 7th place do get 1st round pick... my mistake. I've resent the draft order email.

This is the official draft order for the 2008-09 season.

1. Rico
2. suckerpuncher
3. The Papaya Heretics
4. Suicidal Sabres
5. Hawkeyes
6. Fish Finder
7. two24four
8. Doctego
9. Ayane
10. Deuling Dawgz
11. Invisible Knight
12. Tyler

Well that sucks balls...

rico3994
05-12-2008, 09:54 PM
Well that sucks balls...

Ya but it is MUCH better than rewarding Fish Finder for not setting his lineup in the playoffs. Not getting the min goalie starts is one thing, but when you don't even put your forwards in when you have the space - that's lame.

Jake
05-12-2008, 09:59 PM
Ya but it is MUCH better than rewarding Fish Finder for not setting his lineup in the playoffs. Not getting the min goalie starts is one thing, but when you don't even put your forwards in when you have the space - that's lame.
I set my lineup when I was playing, once I was eliminated I stopped setting it...

two24four
05-12-2008, 10:11 PM
Not sure if this is where we put it, but we have our 1st trade of the off-season........

I'm sending Martin Biron to Jake (Fish Finder) for Brenden Morrow plus his 2nd round pick.

Jake
05-12-2008, 10:14 PM
Also not sure where to put this but I am confirming this trade

gogoayane
05-12-2008, 10:17 PM
Also not sure where to put this but I am confirming this trade

Thanks guys... I'll keep a log in the yahoo group.

gogoayane
05-12-2008, 10:18 PM
Well that sucks balls...

I should've made sure before sending out that email... sorry for the false hope

rico3994
05-13-2008, 09:52 AM
I set my lineup when I was playing, once I was eliminated I stopped setting it...

Sorry my bad, I didn't even think about it but I only checked the last couple of days in the pool. Didn't mean to bad mouth you or anything.

Jake
05-13-2008, 02:04 PM
Sorry my bad, I didn't even think about it but I only checked the last couple of days in the pool. Didn't mean to bad mouth you or anything.
No problem:beer::beer:

WIS
05-13-2008, 02:30 PM
Hey guys..

I've uploaded all the teams in the Yahoo Group... the keeper list is due on July 15, 08... between now and then you can do trades with other manager (let me know when it's completed)

Can you guys let me know if you'll be coming back next year?

Ayane - back
Rico - back
two24four - back
Doctego
Tyler
Papaya Heretics
Hawkeyes - back
Pete
Jake - back
Deuling Dawgz
suckerpuncher
Suicidal Sabres

Thanks!
I'm not sure how you're going to get Tyler's response or better yet Doc's for that matter since he's been MIA for well over a month now.

I will be back for sure..........

If anyone is looking for a D-Man, Lubomir Visnovsky is on the block.
I'm interested in him. Let me know two24four what you're looking for.

suckerpuncher
05-13-2008, 06:44 PM
I'm back.

And again drafting very early. Hope this year will be better for my team.

two24four
05-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Another trade:

My Peter Mueller plus my 1st round pick (7th overall) and the 2nd round pick I just got in the deal with Jake for.......

suckerpuncher's 1st round pick (2nd overall) and his last pick in the draft.

suckerpuncher
05-14-2008, 02:17 PM
Another trade:

My Peter Mueller plus my 1st round pick (7th overall) and the 2nd round pick I just got in the deal with Jake for.......

suckerpuncher's 1st round pick (2nd overall) and his last pick in the draft.

I confirm.

gogoayane
05-14-2008, 08:59 PM
Should we all post a list of players that are available/want to trade? Easier for other managers to offer you a trade (if you want).

two24four
05-14-2008, 09:21 PM
Should we all post a list of players that are available/want to trade? Easier for other managers to offer you a trade (if you want).

Good idea, I'm looking to trade Lubomir Visnovsky for a Winger and/or draft pick(s), just send me a PM.

gogoayane
05-15-2008, 07:23 PM
Still haven't heard back from:

Doctego - anyone know what's happening with Doc?
Tyler - will email
Papaya Heretics - will pm
Deuling Dawgz - will pm
Suicidal Sabres - will pm

boredguy
05-15-2008, 07:45 PM
In the one baseball league i'm in with Doctego he's still setting his rosters. Try emailing him.

gogoayane
05-15-2008, 10:51 PM
In the one baseball league i'm in with Doctego he's still setting his rosters. Try emailing him.

Thanks!

Amazing Oopah
05-28-2008, 01:01 PM
I have been focusing on fantasy baseball lately, but I'm coming back next season

rico3994
06-06-2008, 04:24 PM
Still haven't heard back from:

Doctego - anyone know what's happening with Doc?
Tyler - will email
Papaya Heretics - will pm
Deuling Dawgz - will pm
Suicidal Sabres - will pm

Have you gotten any word back from these guys?

doofdoof
06-07-2008, 12:13 AM
If you have anyone drop out I'd be interested in taking up a team

iceHOLE
06-07-2008, 02:26 PM
If you have anyone drop out I'd be interested in taking up a team


SAME GOES HERE!!! LOOKING FOR A COMPETITIVE KEEPER

gogoayane
06-10-2008, 11:15 PM
Sorry guys... been pretty busy lately.

Doctego - sending PM now
Tyler - will email now
Deuling Dawgz - sending PM now

Everyone else is onboard.

WIS
06-11-2008, 12:06 AM
Sorry guys... been pretty busy lately.

Doctego - sending PM now
Tyler - will email now
Deuling Dawgz - sending PM now

Everyone else is onboard.
That is one kinky avatar go.

gogoayane
06-14-2008, 02:51 PM
I'm still waiting to hear back from the three.. keeper deadline is July 15th so maybe a week before then I'll announce what teams are available...

meanwhile... keep the trades going (good job two24four)

suckerpuncher
06-14-2008, 06:05 PM
Why do we have to send in our keepers so early again? Last we we had to submit keepers by July, 15th but the draft didn't start until early September.
Wouldn't mid or late August be sufficient enough? So we can wait for the FA period.


And for fantasy football Y! implemented a keeper feature for all leagues even the free ones.
My guess is they'll also implement it for hockey and any other fantasy sports like they always did with those new stuff.
That keeper feature allows also the swtich of draft picks (before the draft starts) and it can also take into account if someone keeps less players. You just need to assign them from the last round backwards. (first keeper -> last round, second keeper -> second to last round etc.)


If this would be really the case we could do a live draft and can forfeit the offline draft. This way we could wait with our keeper selection and can have a draft much closer to the begin of the season.
It would also save you time because you don't have to enter the complete draft results.
Maybe we should wait until Y! opens the hockey registrations again.

gogoayane
06-15-2008, 09:07 PM
wow i didn't know about the change in Yahoo league - i've been wondering why they didn't implement a keeper option but i guess they answered my prayer!

If that's the case... yes we don't need to send in our keepers so early.. but at least for this post season we'll end on july 15th.. next year we can delay it if the yahoo draft format works well.

thanks for the update

two24four
06-19-2008, 12:45 PM
I'm still willing to trade Lubomir Visnovsky if anyone wants him, just send me a PM.

gogoayane
06-23-2008, 03:26 PM
Players available:

C - Joe Pavelski
LW - Thomas Vanek
LW - Cory Stillman
RW - Milan Hejduk
C, LW - Rostislav Olesz
C - Andy McDonald
D - Erik Johnson
C - Mike Ribeiro
C - Stephen Weiss
LW, RW - Erik Cole
C - Jason Arnott
C - Rod Brind'Amour

G - Pascal Leclaire
G - Mike Smith
G - Nikolai Khabibulin

Will do multi-player trades & picks. Looking for Goals and PPP. PM if interested!

Roy Hinske
06-23-2008, 05:18 PM
Deuling Dawgs is back and will trade for rookies if the price is right and the rookie is right.

two24four
06-23-2008, 07:03 PM
My players available are......

D - Lubomir Visnovsky
LW, RW - Dustin Penner
LW, RW - Martin Erat
LW - Andrew Brunette
D - Wade Redden
D - Jay Bouwmeester
C - Mike Fisher
RW - Michael Ryder
C - Jordan Staal (will want a young player back for him though)
LW - Sean Avery

PM if interested! I'm also willing to trade picks as well.

gogoayane
06-27-2008, 07:45 AM
I haven't heard back from Doc yet... tried emailing and PM but didn't work.

anyone know what's going on with Doc? i assume he's just busy with work

suckerpuncher
06-27-2008, 08:35 AM
I think he was on about 3-4 weeks ago and he said something like not having internet access right now but anything else is fine.
Look: http://forums.hockeyinformer.com/showthread.php?p=576621#post576621

Don't know how you want to handle the situation.

Roy Hinske
06-30-2008, 12:49 PM
Hey Gogo, any interest in the PM I sent a few days ago about rookies?

Hawkeye
06-30-2008, 01:02 PM
If I'm not mistaken, we have to submit our keepers tomorrow right??

And just to make sure... its 8 + 3 farm players right for a total of 11 max??

WIS
06-30-2008, 01:05 PM
If I'm not mistaken, we have to submit our keepers tomorrow right??

And just to make sure... its 8 + 3 farm players right for a total of 11 max??
I believe that is incorrect. WE submit our keepers by July 15th. However, you do have the amount of players correct.

Hawkeye
06-30-2008, 01:08 PM
I believe that is incorrect. WE submit our keepers by July 15th. However, you do have the amount of players correct.

perfect pete... thx... that buys me more time lol

WIS
06-30-2008, 01:18 PM
perfect pete... thx... that buys me more time lol
:cheers:
No problem. I hear ya though, tomorrow is going to be a big day.

gogoayane
06-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Hey Gogo, any interest in the PM I sent a few days ago about rookies?

I'll get back to you soon... haven't had a chance to look at trades and stuff... busy with work (half the office isn't in but somehow I'm sitting here working..)

gogoayane
06-30-2008, 01:41 PM
I believe that is incorrect. WE submit our keepers by July 15th. However, you do have the amount of players correct.

Yup thanks pete..

I figure I'll give the FAs 2 weeks to decide where they go... and then we can decide if we keep these players...

Roy Hinske
06-30-2008, 05:16 PM
I'll get back to you soon... haven't had a chance to look at trades and stuff... busy with work (half the office isn't in but somehow I'm sitting here working..)

sounds good

Jake
06-30-2008, 08:39 PM
Langkow is available for a draft pick, just make an offer by Saturday

two24four
07-02-2008, 01:35 PM
For a pretty good draft pick Lubomir Visnovsky is yours, just send me a PM.

gogoayane
07-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Trade announcement:

Jake and I have agreed to the following trade:

IF Mats Sundin signs by July 15th:

To gogoayane: Mats Sundin
To Jake (Fish Finder): Nikolai Khabibulin

IF Mats Sundin does not sign by July 15th:

To gogoayane: Tomas Kaberle
To Jake (Fish Finder): Nikolai Khabibulin

gogoayane
07-02-2008, 10:21 PM
With only 2 weeks left before the keeper deadline, there will be one team available as I haven't heard back from the current manager (tried to contact Doc but just couldn't get a hold of him)..

His team will be available for one dedicated manager... preferably a manager that is active in this forum and knowledgeable...

Please PM me if interested... rules are at the front of this thread. Any question please feel free to ask:

NOTE: If I do hear back from Doc before July 15th, he can take the ownership back if he is interested.

Doctego's Team (keep 8 + 3 rookies - for detail, read info at front of thread):

C - Ryan Getzlaf
C, LW - Christopher Higgins
LW - Rick Nash
LW - Niklas Hagman
RW - Ales Hemsky
C, RW - Phil Kessel
RW - Mikael Samuelsson
RW - David Clarkson
D - Matt Carle
D - Michal Rozsival
D - Mathieu Schneider
D - Kimmo Timonen
RW - Radim Vrbata
LW, RW - Scott Hartnell
D - Dan Boyle
C - Saku Koivu
C - Craig Conroy
RW - Mark Recchi
RW - Maxim Afinogenov
C - Tim Connolly
LW - Simon Gagne

G - Marc-Andre Fleury
G - Jose Theodore
G - Roberto Luongo
G - Curtis Sanford

Thanks!

doofdoof
07-03-2008, 06:07 AM
PM sent

two24four
07-03-2008, 09:26 PM
Another trade announcement:

This one kind of goes with the one above between gogoayane and Jake.

To gogoayane: E. Staal

To two24four: T. Vanek, M. Sundin or T. Kaberle, and M. Smith.

Which ever one of Sundin or Kaberle gogoayane get's he will be flipping him over to me in part of our deal.

gogoayane
07-03-2008, 10:57 PM
Doc's team goes to doofdoof

Remember that the keeper deadline is coming up (July 15th)... your list should either be emailed or PMed to me before July 15th.

Thanks

gogoayane
07-03-2008, 11:19 PM
C - Joe Pavelski
LW - Cory Stillman
RW - Milan Hejduk
C, LW - Rostislav Olesz
C - Andy McDonald
C - Stephen Weiss
LW, RW - Erik Cole
C - Jason Arnott
C - Rod Brind'Amour

Interested in any of these guys? Will take picks for them.

Hawkeye
07-04-2008, 12:18 AM
Another trade announcement:

This one kind of goes with the one above between gogoayane and Jake.

To gogoayane: E. Staal

To two24four: T. Vanek, M. Sundin or T. Kaberle, and M. Smith.

Which ever one of Sundin or Kaberle gogoayane get's he will be flipping him over to me in part of our deal.

Goddamn, I hope you put on a condom before you raped Gogo...

gogoayane
07-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Goddamn, I hope you put on a condom before you raped Gogo...

lol... true it's not the best deal but I can't keep all those players anyways... think of this as 24's early xmas gift!

suckerpuncher
07-04-2008, 01:26 PM
Does this deal also include some additional points from the H2H matchup between the 2 of you which 24 sends over to make it even? :D

Jake
07-04-2008, 02:25 PM
Its not that bad... If we kept all of the players it would be a massacre, but as it stands I dont see it as being terrible

gogoayane
07-04-2008, 03:22 PM
Its not that bad... If we kept all of the players it would be a massacre, but as it stands I dont see it as being terrible

exactly... I can't keep them all... it's either going to FA or upgrade my current roster.. E Staal should be an upgrade.

but of course... we'll see how this deal pans out next season :)

rico3994
07-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Available from my team are:

Scott Niedermayer (Anh - D)
Sergei Zubov (Dal - D)
Sheldon Souray (Edm - D)
Patrik Elias (NJ - C,LW)
and the 1st overall pick in the draft.

I'm looking for an additional keeper and I will also think about moving 1 of my rookies (Hanzal, Carcillo, Cogliano) but I will need one in return.

doofdoof
07-04-2008, 09:40 PM
Can one of you guys send me a PM letting me know what the Yahoo Group name is?

Thanks

doofdoof
07-07-2008, 02:44 AM
These guys are available:

C, LW - Christopher Higgins
C, RW - Phil Kessel (Farm)
D - Matt Carle (Farm)
D - Michal Rozsival
D - Mathieu Schneider
D - Kimmo Timonen
RW - Radim Vrbata
LW, RW - Scott Hartnell
C - Saku Koivu
RW - Maxim Afinogenov
C - Tim Connolly
G - Jose Theodore

I'd also consider trading Gagne and Getzlaf if anyone though they would fit their roster and we could find a deal that worked.

Jake
07-07-2008, 05:04 PM
I will be out of town for the rest of July, so I sent my keepers in to Ayane. I probably wont be able to get to a computer that will allow me to check this site much if at all. Take care everybody

Roy Hinske
07-07-2008, 11:45 PM
Doofdoof, did you get my PM?

doofdoof
07-08-2008, 01:55 AM
Doofdoof, did you get my PM?

Yep. Just trying to see if there is something that will work.

Also trying to work out what happens if I do not keep 8+3, I assume I just get picks at the end of the draft?

gogoayane
07-08-2008, 08:09 AM
Yep. Just trying to see if there is something that will work.

Also trying to work out what happens if I do not keep 8+3, I assume I just get picks at the end of the draft?

Yup... it'll be filled at the end of the draft.

gogoayane
07-08-2008, 11:56 AM
Looking for a good winger... can offer:

E. Staal
M. Richards
M. Riberio

PM if interested.

Thx!

Roy Hinske
07-09-2008, 12:13 PM
Anyone else want to move a rookie or two?

two24four
07-09-2008, 02:02 PM
Another Trade announcement:

To: Deuling Dawgs: (Roy Hinske) C- Jeff Carter + G Johnathan Bernier

To: two24four: RW- Corey Perry

Roy Hinske
07-09-2008, 02:04 PM
I hope Bernier works out for me.

gogoayane
07-09-2008, 03:23 PM
I hope Bernier works out for me.

Ya i'm wondering if Bernier will be starting this year. I read that he might be in the AHL for this year but I hope that's not the case.

two24four
07-09-2008, 03:56 PM
If the Kings dont pickup another goalie before the season, I really do think Bernier will be one of the two goalies to make the team out of camp, it wont be long before he's there starting goalie full time.

Amazing Oopah
07-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Here are some guys who might have some value on the block...

Marleau
Cheechoo
Wolski
Sakic
Holmstrom
Wideman
Ladd
Setoguchi
Ramo
Howard

and my 1st pick (3rd overall)

Not much but someone might be interested

Those not listed (Gomez, Markov, Lundy, etc) aren't unmoveable but I would rather keep them than let them go, especially Price, but if you have an offer, let them rip!

boredguy
07-09-2008, 05:32 PM
If the Kings dont pickup another goalie before the season, I really do think Bernier will be one of the two goalies to make the team out of camp, it wont be long before he's there starting goalie full time.

He made the team out of camp last season too and that didn't work out so great. Kid hasn't even turned 20 yet so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kings play him in the AHL for a season and sign one of the journeymen G's still out there.

suckerpuncher
07-09-2008, 07:00 PM
Not sure if we discussed it last year but I'm sure we did.
We need more than those 2 IR spots.

If possible we should raise it to 4 or even 5.

gogoayane
07-09-2008, 07:36 PM
Not sure if we discussed it last year but I'm sure we did.
We need more than those 2 IR spots.

If possible we should raise it to 4 or even 5.

I think 2 is a good number... ya it'll be tough for the manager but at the same time it makes you use ur judgment on what to give up..

Thoughts?

WIS
07-09-2008, 08:00 PM
Not sure if we discussed it last year but I'm sure we did.
We need more than those 2 IR spots.

If possible we should raise it to 4 or even 5.
I'm more concerned about keepers. I wish we could keep two at each position. I know we were talking about how long the draft was and with keeping a little more it would cut down on the draft.

two24four
07-09-2008, 09:47 PM
He made the team out of camp last season too and that didn't work out so great. Kid hasn't even turned 20 yet so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kings play him in the AHL for a season and sign one of the journeymen G's still out there.

It worked out last season, the only thing with last season was he could have went back to Jr like he did and not count as a year towards him becoming a UFA, which was smart, now they dont have to send him down to Jr, if they wanted to sign a goalie why not just sign Emery?

Bernier is good enough to play in the NHL now, at least as a #2.

suckerpuncher
07-10-2008, 10:42 AM
Here's who I have available:
C - Brandon Dubinsky
LW - Ryane Clowe
G - Jonas Hiller

C - Brett McLean
C - David Legwand
C - Michael Nylander
LW - Alex Burrows
LW, RW - Markus Naslund
RW - Lee Stempniak
RW - J.P. Dumont
RW - Brian Gionta
RW - Martin Havlat
RW - Scott Walker
D - Craig Rivet
D - Stephane Robidas
G - Chris Mason

Preferably for picks but I'm also not strictly against trading one of my keeper guys and some of those avaialble guys for an upgrade.

Roy Hinske
07-10-2008, 12:31 PM
Players if you want them

Stratka
Sampsonov
jagr
Sykora
Burrish
Pronger
McCabe
Burns
J. Carter
Halpern
Roy
Brown
Gaustad
Hunter
Vermette

suckerpuncher
07-10-2008, 01:47 PM
You really wanna trade away Jagr? :D

WIS
07-10-2008, 01:57 PM
You really wanna trade away Jagr? :D
Or Straka :scared:

Roy Hinske
07-11-2008, 09:18 AM
If you want em, I'm sure we can work a deal. :lol:

I have Hasek too if you like him better.

WIS
07-11-2008, 12:55 PM
If you want em, I'm sure we can work a deal. :lol:

I have Hasek too if you like him better.
I'll trade you all three for Forsberg.

boredguy
07-11-2008, 12:58 PM
It worked out last season, the only thing with last season was he could have went back to Jr like he did and not count as a year towards him becoming a UFA, which was smart, now they dont have to send him down to Jr, if they wanted to sign a goalie why not just sign Emery?

Bernier is good enough to play in the NHL now, at least as a #2.

They coulda kept him up a few more games last season and still have it not count, after that first game he struggled and they sent him down. Also can you really seeing them keeping him in the NHL to be a #2 though? I'd much rather have him starting all the time in the AHL getting experience then sitting on the bench most of the time. If he makes the team, which i'll agree is a possibility, he'd be the number 1 i'd think.

And no-one wanted Emery cause he's a huge headcase and definitely not a guy i want hanging around young players.

gogoayane
07-13-2008, 09:22 PM
Guys... as per my email... Monday July 14th is the deadline for all keeper entries.. make sure you post your team before end of the night on Monday.

Thanks.

Roy Hinske
07-14-2008, 01:32 PM
I Pmed you mine. Do you want me to post them somewhere?

gogoayane
07-14-2008, 02:27 PM
I Pmed you mine. Do you want me to post them somewhere?

na it's good... got ur pm... will open it tonight.

two24four
07-14-2008, 04:19 PM
na it's good... got ur pm... will open it tonight.

You got mine as well right? with all my keepers?

gogoayane
07-14-2008, 11:47 PM
Thanks for sending them in on time.

So far I have received lists from:
- gogoayane
- rico
- Pete
- Hawkeye
- Roy Hinske
- Amazing Oopah
- doofdoof
- suckerpuncher
- two24four
- jake
- glooyenga

Need to get the list from Tyler then we are set.

Thanks guys for getting this done on a timely manner. I'll post the list of keeps and drops over the next day or two.

WIS
07-15-2008, 02:10 AM
Thanks for sending them in on time.

So far I have received lists from:
- gogoayane
- rico
- Pete
- Hawkeye
- Roy Hinske
- Amazing Oopah
- doofdoof
- suckerpuncher
- two24four
- jake
- glooyenga

Need to get the list from Tyler then we are set.

Thanks guys for getting this done on a timely manner. I'll post the list of keeps and drops over the next day or two.
Good thing you got his list in on time. Man that guy is always late with everything!

gogoayane
07-15-2008, 09:10 AM
Good thing you got his list in on time. Man that guy is always late with everything!

lol i was wondering who you were referring to for a bit until I saw the bold

gogoayane
07-15-2008, 09:16 AM
Now that keeper lists are in... I want to get some feedback from you all on potential changes to the league. So far from the top of my head:

- IR spots (more than 2 IR required?)
- Player choice selection (currently we can only draft players in Yahoo database.. should we change that so we can draft anyone in an NHL team?)
- more or less keepers?

Throw some ideas out and we can discuss... i'm not looking for drastic changes here but it's always good to look for ways to improve the league.

Thanks

Hawkeye
07-15-2008, 10:06 AM
Now that keeper lists are in... I want to get some feedback from you all on potential changes to the league. So far from the top of my head:

- IR spots (more than 2 IR required?)
- Player choice selection (currently we can only draft players in Yahoo database.. should we change that so we can draft anyone in an NHL team?)
- more or less keepers?

Throw some ideas out and we can discuss... i'm not looking for drastic changes here but it's always good to look for ways to improve the league.

Thanks

You know what? I like the way its setup right now... nothing is complicated, everything is running smoothly, I would just let it the way it is now. No farm teams, no players not in database, the simpler the better.

Starting drafting players that aren't in the database makes it a little more complicated to take care of.

This league has been running for two years and we haven't heard any complaining at all. Its because the rules are clear and uncomplicated.

I vote for it to stay the same, but I would be willing to hear about the IR spots... I don't think 2 is not enough but I'm willing to side with the majority

suckerpuncher
07-15-2008, 10:25 AM
I agree, so far everything has gone great.
The only thing I'd change like I said before is the number of IR spots. Maybe another 1 or 2 would be great.

Roy Hinske
07-15-2008, 11:27 AM
I don't see much to change. I don't see needing more than 3 IR, most leagues have 2 I believe. Force a manager to make decisions.

two24four
07-15-2008, 11:28 AM
Yeah I'm with the rest, add another IR spot or two, and we are good IMO.

gogoayane
07-15-2008, 12:53 PM
I don't see much to change. I don't see needing more than 3 IR, most leagues have 2 I believe. Force a manager to make decisions.

I agree with this.. having an extra IR is nice but then makes the league more challenging if managers have to decide whether to gamble or not.

WIS
07-15-2008, 01:45 PM
You know what? I like the way its setup right now... nothing is complicated, everything is running smoothly, I would just let it the way it is now. No farm teams, no players not in database, the simpler the better.

Starting drafting players that aren't in the database makes it a little more complicated to take care of.

This league has been running for two years and we haven't heard any complaining at all. Its because the rules are clear and uncomplicated.

I vote for it to stay the same, but I would be willing to hear about the IR spots... I don't think 2 is not enough but I'm willing to side with the majority

I agree with most of this. I don't think two IR spots is not enough. Sometimes luck is not your side, but that's life, right.
I like the way the league is right now, plain and simple. If anything, I know you've heard that I'd like to keep more players. I just think that if I put in the effort to compete all season I'd like to carry that success to another year instead of doing it all over again like yearly leagues. I know you're in another keeper league that keeps 15 players. How do you like it ayane? I'm sure it's more interesting because you get to keep the momentum going from the year before and I think it's more realistic since, just like the NHL, they can't keep everybody due to salary restrictions, free agency, etc. However, they do get to keep most of their team. This is just my two cents.

Hawkeye
07-15-2008, 02:27 PM
I agree with most of this. I don't think two IR spots is not enough. Sometimes luck is not your side, but that's life, right.
I like the way the league is right now, plain and simple. If anything, I know you've heard that I'd like to keep more players. I just think that if I put in the effort to compete all season I'd like to carry that success to another year instead of doing it all over again like yearly leagues. I know you're in another keeper league that keeps 15 players. How do you like it ayane? I'm sure it's more interesting because you get to keep the momentum going from the year before and I think it's more realistic since, just like the NHL, they can't keep everybody due to salary restrictions, free agency, etc. However, they do get to keep most of their team. This is just my two cents.

Having for keepers means that if you are rebuilding, you are rebuilding for a long time... With 8-11 keepers, if gives a manager more chances of getting a decent forward when drafting at the start of the year and makes it less boring for the teams in the basement.

Parity is good.

gogoayane
07-15-2008, 02:58 PM
In my other league where we keep 12 + 3 (10-team league)... there aren't that much talent left in the pool after 2nd/3rd round.. I have it set that way because the managers there aren't as active as we are in HI and are among friends anyways so really doing it for fun.. i'm proposing to change the format to 10+3 in that league.

now in our HI league... since all of us are pretty experienced in terms of fantasy league and have a good knowledge in hockey, keeping 8+3 will:
- make the draft more interesting with the amount of depth in FA list
- give managers a chance to make tough decision cuts and make good off-season trades
- if you need to rebuild your team, it won't take too long with the pool of talent in FA

Of course.. the pro side in adding more keepers:
- draft takes less time (1 or 2 round less), but if Yahoo have the keeper league drafting feature then I don't see this being a problem
- keep more players that you want to carry in your team, hence the team is a bit more original/familiar

so given this.. I don't mind adding 1 or 2 roster spot.. i.e. making it a 9+3 or 10+3.. but right now I am leaning on staying 8+3.

Roy Hinske
07-15-2008, 03:08 PM
I think no more than 1 more IR. 9+3 works for me as well.

WIS
07-15-2008, 03:59 PM
In my other league where we keep 12 + 3 (10-team league)... there aren't that much talent left in the pool after 2nd/3rd round.. I have it set that way because the managers there aren't as active as we are in HI and are among friends anyways so really doing it for fun.. i'm proposing to change the format to 10+3 in that league.

now in our HI league... since all of us are pretty experienced in terms of fantasy league and have a good knowledge in hockey, keeping 8+3 will:
- make the draft more interesting with the amount of depth in FA list
- give managers a chance to make tough decision cuts and make good off-season trades
- if you need to rebuild your team, it won't take too long with the pool of talent in FA

Of course.. the pro side in adding more keepers:
- draft takes less time (1 or 2 round less), but if Yahoo have the keeper league drafting feature then I don't see this being a problem
- keep more players that you want to carry in your team, hence the team is a bit more original/familiar

so given this.. I don't mind adding 1 or 2 roster spot.. i.e. making it a 9+3 or 10+3.. but right now I am leaning on staying 8+3.
This I wouldn't mind. You're right about not messing with something that's already good. Maybe 15 is a big shock to jump, but like one or two roster spots would be better if anything at all.

I think no more than 1 more IR. 9+3 works for me as well.
9+3 or 10+3 work for me.

rico3994
07-15-2008, 04:54 PM
In my other league where we keep 12 + 3 (10-team league)... there aren't that much talent left in the pool after 2nd/3rd round.. I have it set that way because the managers there aren't as active as we are in HI and are among friends anyways so really doing it for fun.. i'm proposing to change the format to 10+3 in that league.

But remember we are a 12 team league so we are already keeping a comparable amount of players each year. Although I could have used an extra keeper spot or two this year, I would prefer to keep it at 8+3 so that the draft means something and draft picks are worth trading for.

I would also be up for going to 3 IR spots, no one wants to drop a good player even if we have 5 guys on the IR and only 2 spots for them.

As for an extra roster spot, I don't think we need it. We already have 2 Forward spots and 2 UTIL positions so I don't think we need it. Things are going well.

two24four
07-15-2008, 05:42 PM
I would also prefer to keep the keepers at 8+3.

doofdoof
07-15-2008, 07:45 PM
As the new guy I'll defer to you guys with regards to the number of keepers.

An extra IR spot would be good though, as having an injured guy taking up roster space for a whole year can be a bit disadvantage. Having Gagne on my team has nothing to do with my position on this :rolleyes:;)

gogoayane
07-16-2008, 10:35 PM
Keeper & drop list is now completed and posted in the Yahoo Group under File > 2008-09.

Please double check to ensure I've input the teams in correctly.

Thanks.

gogoayane
08-09-2008, 04:22 PM
Any suggestion on how we should do the draft this year? Last year it was through the Yahoo Group but it took a really long time.. I'm looking for feedback on how we should do it this year.

1) I heard on the Football Fantasy league this year they have a keeper's option. Chances are they'll have that as well for Hockey. If that's the case, maybe we can do it live toward the end of the year. More detail on this once Yahoo opens up.

2) Yahoo Group - same as last year, we can do this through the group and set a deadline for each round selection.

I would also like to ask if you guys are ok to move the draft up to maybe mid August or late August. I will be out of town between Sept 13th to 28th with no Internet access. I want to be sure that the draft will be carried out properly. If possible, I would like to set the draft to being at the end of next week (Aug 15th).

Thoughts?

suckerpuncher
08-09-2008, 05:40 PM
I'd like to use the keeper league feature if Y! adds it which they said they most likely will.

The problem is that the registration on Y! won't open untile late August / early September and if they don't add the feature we'll be in a real hurry to do the draft via the group page.

rico3994
08-09-2008, 06:25 PM
I would also like to ask if you guys are ok to move the draft up to maybe mid August or late August. I will be out of town between Sept 13th to 28th with no Internet access. I want to be sure that the draft will be carried out properly. If possible, I would like to set the draft to being at the end of next week (Aug 15th).

Thoughts?

I'm in the same boat. What if we started the offline draft mid to late August and when/if Yahoo opens up fantasy hockey with the keeper option then we can stop and input all the picks up till that point? This way if Yahoo doesn't have the keeper option in hockey, we aren't screwed by starting late

WIS
08-10-2008, 04:16 PM
Any suggestion on how we should do the draft this year? Last year it was through the Yahoo Group but it took a really long time.. I'm looking for feedback on how we should do it this year.

1) I heard on the Football Fantasy league this year they have a keeper's option. Chances are they'll have that as well for Hockey. If that's the case, maybe we can do it live toward the end of the year. More detail on this once Yahoo opens up.

2) Yahoo Group - same as last year, we can do this through the group and set a deadline for each round selection.

I would also like to ask if you guys are ok to move the draft up to maybe mid August or late August. I will be out of town between Sept 13th to 28th with no Internet access. I want to be sure that the draft will be carried out properly. If possible, I would like to set the draft to being at the end of next week (Aug 15th).

Thoughts?
I wouldn't mind doing the draft through here somehow. That'd be kind of interesting.
Oh and if we could do the draft after the 21st I'd appreciate it as I am also unavailable until then.

Jake
08-10-2008, 08:57 PM
I am out of town Aug 15-18th and again for labor day weekend

gogoayane
08-13-2008, 03:35 PM
I'll send out an email to see if we can start the draft by the 23rd (need sometime to prep a list of available players).

Hopefully Yahoo will be available by then.

rico3994
08-13-2008, 04:56 PM
23rd seems like a good time to start

Jake
08-13-2008, 05:06 PM
Last year the draft was kind of a mess, people got skipped and a few players got drafted by at least two different teams. Is there a way we can just try to agree on a date and time and just do a regular draft? I do not work near a computer so I was not able to constantly look to see if I was on the board for my allotted 8 hours and it was impossible to plan ahead (if the guy in front of me drafted right away my 8 hours would start).

Edit: When does the Yahoo database come out?

gogoayane
08-13-2008, 10:22 PM
Last year the draft was kind of a mess, people got skipped and a few players got drafted by at least two different teams. Is there a way we can just try to agree on a date and time and just do a regular draft? I do not work near a computer so I was not able to constantly look to see if I was on the board for my allotted 8 hours and it was impossible to plan ahead (if the guy in front of me drafted right away my 8 hours would start).

Edit: When does the Yahoo database come out?

I agree.. I prefer doing it all over one night as well especially since this is a pretty long draft (13 picks per team...).

Hopefully the Yahoo one does allow me to edit draft picks and add in keeper choice.

Ideally if Yahoo is up and running by the 20th, we can have a better idea of which approach to do.

Jake
08-14-2008, 01:29 PM
I also think there would more trading and stuff if we were to do it all in one shot. Drafting is about 75 percent of the fun in fantasy leagues anyways

gogoayane
08-22-2008, 08:14 PM
Not sure when Yahoo will be actually up..

Draft to be postponed until mid next week (around 25th)

suckerpuncher
08-23-2008, 05:28 AM
If their statement is true (late August) then we should just wait the whole week and see if they allow keepers or not.
2-3 days more waiting don't make that much of a difference in my eyes.

gogoayane
08-24-2008, 07:58 PM
If their statement is true (late August) then we should just wait the whole week and see if they allow keepers or not.
2-3 days more waiting don't make that much of a difference in my eyes.

Yes.. and for this year I really don't want to do it offline like last year. It'll be through Yahoo online and maybe through a chat room or through live draft method..

either way it won't be through messages in yahoo group.

Jake
08-28-2008, 10:32 PM
I will be out of town til the second of September (tuesday)

gogoayane
08-29-2008, 12:39 PM
I will be out of town til the second of September (tuesday)

No problem.. we'll wait till Yahoo is up in "early September" to draft.

gogoayane
09-03-2008, 11:41 PM
Now that Yahoo is up... I would like to host the draft soon
can we do this through MSN / Yahoo Messenger?

two24four
09-04-2008, 01:03 AM
Now that Yahoo is up... I would like to host the draft soon
can we do this through MSN / Yahoo Messenger?

Are you going to set the league up soon? so we can sign up.

Edit: never mind I'm in, lol.

Hawkeye
09-04-2008, 01:16 AM
Are you going to set the league up soon? so we can sign up.

Edit: never mind I'm in, lol.

I'm in too!

two24four
09-04-2008, 01:20 AM
Now that Yahoo is up... I would like to host the draft soon
can we do this through MSN / Yahoo Messenger?

Only prob with this way is getting everyone online at the same time, I think doing the draft in the groups page would be better, at least IMO it is, put a time line down, like 12 hours, you dont make your pick in 12 hours, the next person may pick.

doofdoof
09-04-2008, 02:25 AM
Are you going to set the league up soon? so we can sign up.

Edit: never mind I'm in, lol.

Can someone PM me the league number and password?

Happy with a Yahoo draft from Sunday onwards for the next week or so

Hawkeye
09-04-2008, 04:43 AM
I'd do it on the league page also.... like twofour said, 12 hours is plenty.

Either that or we do a draft but prerank our keepers... I have done it before in other leagues and it worked out good. Even if there is an error, it can be changed by the commish.

suckerpuncher
09-04-2008, 04:45 AM
The new keeper feature is implemented so we can do a simple live draft instead of using any IM.


Since maybe not everyone kept the max. amount of players or some keepers might not be in Y!'s database yet it might be a good idea to enter the keepers from the last round upward.
That way the people who have less keepers fill their roster at the end of the draft. If you'd enter the keepers for rthe first couple of rounds the guys who kept less players could pick before the others.

rico3994
09-04-2008, 08:25 AM
Since maybe not everyone kept the max. amount of players or some keepers might not be in Y!'s database yet it might be a good idea to enter the keepers from the last round upward.
That way the people who have less keepers fill their roster at the end of the draft. If you'd enter the keepers for rthe first couple of rounds the guys who kept less players could pick before the others.

Sabres was the only team to not keep any rookies (according to the excel sheet on the group page) so we can just give him 3 of the worst players in the database as keepers and let him have first crack at 3 players before the waiver wire opens up. Everyone else kept 8+3 players.

We should definitely draft through Yahoo to speed things up.

gogoayane
09-04-2008, 08:44 AM
How does this new Keeper thing works anyways... You can mark a player as keeper but you can't assign him to a team yet right? I'm a bit confused

Also... some of us traded draft picks so we have to keep that in mind as well.

I want to avoid doing it through group page.. I would prefer doing that all at once.

Let me look into this keeper option again and see how this works.

suckerpuncher
09-04-2008, 09:05 AM
How does this new Keeper thing works anyways... You can mark a player as keeper but you can't assign him to a team yet right? I'm a bit confused

Also... some of us traded draft picks so we have to keep that in mind as well.

I want to avoid doing it through group page.. I would prefer doing that all at once.

Let me look into this keeper option again and see how this works.

It's really easy. Just go to "Commish Tools" -> "Edit Draft Order & Assign Keeper Players". There you have to choose "Custom Order and Keeper League Players" and enter the draft order. But beware if you enter the keeper for the first rounds than you have to enter the reverse draft order because we have an odd number of keepers and so we start in an even round and in order to have the right order there you need to enter the reverse order. I did that mistake for our football keeper and had to assign all keepers again. :rolleyes:

You can now play around a bit to get a feeling how to assign keepers and pick draft picks (that's possibel, just remember to add 11 rounds to the picks value since we start in round 12 :) ).

You can always select to "Reset All" to delete any moves you made.
And beware: Everytime someone joins or leaves the league everything will be reset to square one even the draft order. So only enter the final keepers and draft order once everyone is finally in the league.
I had to reset the draft order a couple of times in another football league becuase someone left then re-enterd left again and someone else joined. :\

If you need any help just ask me I already went through the whole process.


Edit: Wait a bit until entering the keepers since some of the young guys might not be in the database as of yet although they should since they played last year.

gogoayane
09-04-2008, 10:07 AM
Thanks man.. i'll look into it later today... if that's the case we can do a live draft then.

When's a good date for you guys? I know suckerpuncher needs to do it at around 10-11pm EST since you are in German right?

suckerpuncher
09-04-2008, 10:26 AM
Thanks man.. i'll look into it later today... if that's the case we can do a live draft then.

When's a good date for you guys? I know suckerpuncher needs to do it at around 10-11pm EST since you are in German right?
10pm would be 4am here. That's too late.

Rather something like 7pm EST which is 1:00am and a bit more suitable.

WIS
09-04-2008, 10:42 AM
Only prob with this way is getting everyone online at the same time, I think doing the draft in the groups page would be better, at least IMO it is, put a time line down, like 12 hours, you dont make your pick in 12 hours, the next person may pick.
Agreed.

I'd do it on the league page also.... like twofour said, 12 hours is plenty.

Either that or we do a draft but prerank our keepers... I have done it before in other leagues and it worked out good. Even if there is an error, it can be changed by the commish.
Agreed.

The new keeper feature is implemented so we can do a simple live draft instead of using any IM.


Since maybe not everyone kept the max. amount of players or some keepers might not be in Y!'s database yet it might be a good idea to enter the keepers from the last round upward.
That way the people who have less keepers fill their roster at the end of the draft. If you'd enter the keepers for rthe first couple of rounds the guys who kept less players could pick before the others.
man it'd be easier keeping more players, eh :D

gogoayane
09-04-2008, 10:01 PM
if i can get this keeper thing going... when would u guys want to do the draft? next week or end of Sept?

doofdoof
09-04-2008, 10:04 PM
Next week is best for me

Jake
09-04-2008, 10:10 PM
I have my military duty on the 12th and 13th, but will be home on the night of the 14th

gogoayane
09-04-2008, 10:12 PM
i'll be out of town between 13th to 29th .. is early/mid next week too much of a rush?

doofdoof
09-04-2008, 10:53 PM
i'll be out of town between 13th to 29th .. is early/mid next week too much of a rush?

not for me

gogoayane
09-04-2008, 11:08 PM
I'll set the date to Tues Sept 9th, 7:30pm EST for now.. i can always change that to later

rico3994
09-05-2008, 08:47 AM
I have my military duty on the 12th and 13th, but will be home on the night of the 14th

i'll be out of town between 13th to 29th .. is early/mid next week too much of a rush?
So it looks like we need to do this before the 12th...


I'll set the date to Tues Sept 9th, 7:30pm EST for now.. i can always change that to later

That date works perfect for me, the 8th and 10 are not (in case we need to change it).

gogoayane
09-06-2008, 09:24 AM
Now that everyone is in the league.. let's discuss the draft there

Post if you can't make it to the draft time.

gogoayane
09-07-2008, 02:36 PM
suckerpuncher - thanks for the tips... it wasn't difficult to enter in the keepers as I originally thought. The only problem I had was that since we start drafting at round 12... I have to reverse all the draft order between Rd 12 - 24.. that was a pain.

To the rest - Is there a way we can confirm that you will be attending to the draft? Probably half of you have responded.. chances are you guys will be attending but I just want to be sure that all of you got the message that the draft will be starting in 2 days to avoid any problem afterward.

Hawkeye
09-07-2008, 03:11 PM
suckerpuncher - thanks for the tips... it wasn't difficult to enter in the keepers as I originally thought. The only problem I had was that since we start drafting at round 12... I have to reverse all the draft order between Rd 12 - 24.. that was a pain.

To the rest - Is there a way we can confirm that you will be attending to the draft? Probably half of you have responded.. chances are you guys will be attending but I just want to be sure that all of you got the message that the draft will be starting in 2 days to avoid any problem afterward.

I'm there for sure

suckerpuncher
09-07-2008, 03:59 PM
suckerpuncher - thanks for the tips... it wasn't difficult to enter in the keepers as I originally thought. The only problem I had was that since we start drafting at round 12... I have to reverse all the draft order between Rd 12 - 24.. that was a pain.


That's why I said you should enter the primary draft order in reverse then the order from round 12 on would have been right. The keepers will be assigned within seconds so it wouldn't have made any difference if the real person would have had the first keeper.



To the rest - Is there a way we can confirm that you will be attending to the draft? Probably half of you have responded.. chances are you guys will be attending but I just want to be sure that all of you got the message that the draft will be starting in 2 days to avoid any problem afterward.

I'll try my best to be there.

two24four
09-07-2008, 09:48 PM
suckerpuncher - thanks for the tips... it wasn't difficult to enter in the keepers as I originally thought. The only problem I had was that since we start drafting at round 12... I have to reverse all the draft order between Rd 12 - 24.. that was a pain.

To the rest - Is there a way we can confirm that you will be attending to the draft? Probably half of you have responded.. chances are you guys will be attending but I just want to be sure that all of you got the message that the draft will be starting in 2 days to avoid any problem afterward.

I should be there.

rico3994
09-07-2008, 10:02 PM
I should be there.

Same

doofdoof
09-07-2008, 10:54 PM
I'll be there

Jake
09-08-2008, 01:50 AM
Im in

gogoayane
05-10-2009, 10:48 AM
I just posted the keeper deadline and draft order for next year in the Yahoo group.

2009-10 Draft order
1. The Papaya Heretics
2. suckerpuncher
3. Deuling Dawgz
4. Hawkeyes
5. Ayane
6. Suicidal Sabres
7. Rico
8. Tyler
9. Fish Finder
10. Invisible Knights
11. two24four
12. doof

Please let me know if you will be back next year.

Thanks!

doofdoof
05-10-2009, 11:11 AM
I'll be back.

Looking to trade Hemsky too. Will take a good pick or include another keeper in a two for one

Katharsis
05-10-2009, 05:51 PM
If someone drops out, I'd be interested in taking over a team, no matter how bad.

(in other words, dibs on first choice if you guys needs more managers!)

two24four
05-10-2009, 06:06 PM
I will be back as well.

Jake
05-10-2009, 06:50 PM
I will be back for sure

rico3994
05-11-2009, 09:38 AM
I'm still in

Amazing Oopah
06-03-2009, 05:53 PM
papaya heretics should return next season!

gogoayane
06-04-2009, 11:19 AM
2009-10 Draft order
1. The Papaya Heretics - back
2. suckerpuncher
3. Deuling Dawgz
4. Hawkeyes
5. Ayane - back
6. Suicidal Sabres
7. Rico - back
8. Tyler
9. Fish Finder - back
10. Invisible Knights
11. two24four - back
12. doof - back

Ideally I would like to confirm all managers' return by July 1st.

Katharsis gets 1st dip on new team

WIS
06-04-2009, 02:49 PM
2009-10 Draft order
1. The Papaya Heretics - back
2. suckerpuncher
3. Deuling Dawgz
4. Hawkeyes
5. Ayane - back
6. Suicidal Sabres
7. Rico - back
8. Tyler
9. Fish Finder - back
10. Invisible Knights
11. two24four - back
12. doof - back

Ideally I would like to confirm all managers' return by July 1st.

Katharsis gets 1st dip on new team
You're going to have to get #8 to e-mail ya :lol:

No offense to Katharsis, but shouldn't Doctego get 1st dib since technically he had a team with us, but due to unforseen circumstances, couldn't re-join us last year?

And I am back as well.

gogoayane
06-23-2009, 11:26 PM
2009-10 Draft order
1. The Papaya Heretics - back
2. suckerpuncher
3. Deuling Dawgz
4. Hawkeyes
5. Ayane - back
6. Suicidal Sabres
7. Rico - back
8. Tyler
9. Fish Finder - back
10. Invisible Knights - back
11. two24four - back
12. doof - back

True I do agree that Doctego should have a team. Will PM him to see if he's interested.

Katharsis
06-23-2009, 11:43 PM
If Doc is interested I'm cool letting him choose first due to seniority rights. I just want a full on competitive keeper.

gogoayane
06-24-2009, 12:06 AM
If Doc is interested I'm cool letting him choose first due to seniority rights. I just want a full on competitive keeper.

Thanks for understanding. Chances are there'll be more than 1 team this year.

Hawkeye
06-24-2009, 07:59 AM
I'll be back for sure...

doofdoof
06-24-2009, 01:27 PM
Looking to trade Hemsky or Gagne for either keeper upgrades, draft picks or a good rookie. Let me know if you have any interest in them

two24four
06-24-2009, 02:11 PM
1st trade of the off-season.

two24four sends his 2nd round pick (14th overall) to doofdoof for Simon Gagne.