Dennis Wideman for Brett Lebda your thoughts please

[smitty42]

There is already been a trade pending in my league that I do not agree with....

Dennis Wideman for Brett Lebda

Do you agree that this should be vetoed? Or should I just let it slip by...
(its an 18 teamer league)

Wideman 2007:13G, 23A, +11, 70 PIM, 20 PPP, 171 SOG
Lebda 2007: 3G, 11A, -1, 48 PIM, 3 PPP, 110 SOG

[WinnipegWingnut]

I'm not sure what the Wideman owner is thinking here. Lebda will always be a 2nd pairing D-man at best with the Wings, and at most PP2. I'd ask the manager trading Wideman why he is doing it, as I myself don't get why he is.

Talk to him first before vetoing anything, you don't want to be a veto monkey, but you also don't want the team getting Wideman to have a free ride to winning. I'd suspect either an unknowledgable owner, who could possibly be a homer Wings fan, or collusion, as this deal makes no sense.

Trades are meant to improve each team, not just one. The other scenerio I can see, is the team giving up Wideman has a D-man coming off of IR, or one on the FA market they want and don't want to just dump Wideman, but have no issues with dumping Lebda. I know I've done this in the past, where I trade a guy that is just above being a WW player to a team I know has no chance at beating me, so I can either bring a guy off of IR or pick up a sleeper and I have no worries dumping the WW player I get in return. Not the most ethical thing to do, but I play to win and don't want a team above me getting their hands on a defensive upgrade.

[StrongArmSu]

No chance this should be Vetoed...

Maybe the manager just sees alot more upside in a Defender playing for Detroit than for Boston. Not only did Detroit get better, therefore making their PP2 much more potent, but im sure the manager must assume Lebda will have a better +/-.

Eitherway....personally id prefer Wideman...but i wouldn't even think of calling Veto on this trade..

[WinnipegWingnut]

Maybe the manager just sees alot more upside in a Defender playing for Detroit than for Boston. Not only did Detroit get better, therefore making their PP2 much more potent, but im sure the manager must assume Lebda will have a better +/-.

Lebda might not even see PP2, as Kronwall is for sure on it, and they had Sammy playing the other point last year. Lebda's +/- isn't great either, in fact Wideman's was better last season. Like I mentioned, talk to the manager trading Wideman and see his reasoning before doing anything unrational.

[moans]

I don't see how you don't veto this. Dennis Wideman is better in EVERY category. The guy getting Lebda is a huge idiot and does not know how to play fantasy hockey. The only way I wouldn't veto is if the owner trading wideman had a damn good reason for it, besides him just playing on Det.

[nyrblue2]

No veto. Neither of those players are going to have a huge impact.

[WinnipegWingnut]

No veto. Neither of those players are going to have a huge impact.

Wideman will be decent, remember he had 39 points last year and should see more ice time this year with his big new contract.

[StrongArmSu]

Lebda might not even see PP2, as Kronwall is for sure on it, and they had Sammy playing the other point last year. Lebda's +/- isn't great either, in fact Wideman's was better last season. Like I mentioned, talk to the manager trading Wideman and see his reasoning before doing anything unrational.

Im not saying he will play PP2 or get a better +/-.

Im saying its easy to understand that somebody could look at Lebda and attribute thoes upsides to him, specifically because he plays on a better team.

Eitherway....as mentioned before...this trade is so minor...it will have very little impact on the outcome of both team's seasons. No veto. If somebody wants to take a chance, let him. As long as theres no evident collusion, and it doesn't impact the integrity of the league...there should be no veto.

[fuji9991]

No veto but that is a #2 D for a #5 D in respective team depth. It's a dumb trade but no veto.

[nyrblue2]

Wideman will be decent, remember he had 39 points last year and should see more ice time this year with his big new contract.
They have the exact same D-corps, don't they? I think all of them are the same. If so, I don't think his role would change that much just because he signed a piece of paper. Granted he is still young, so he certainly could improve even more. But honestly, with the return of Bergeron, the arrival of Ryder, the extra year of experience of Krejci/Lucic, and the arrival of Wheeler, I don't necessarily think Wideman is guaranteed a spot on PP1. I'm not saying they would do this, but I think BOS has 9 or 10 forwards capable of playing on the PP, so I could see them rolling with 1 D-man per unit.

Don't get me wrong, I would take Wideman in this, too, but I don't think it's that outrageous...

[NL_Habs]

I think its a terrible trade. Wideman >>>>Lebda (who's behind rafalski, lidstrom, kronwall, stuart, lilja). I can't say whether I would veto it or not because wideman isn't a big enough name but if you league has vetoed similar players before I would.

[WinnipegWingnut]

They have the exact same D-corps, don't they? I think all of them are the same. If so, I don't think his role would change that much just because he signed a piece of paper. Granted he is still young, so he certainly could improve even more. But honestly, with the return of Bergeron, the arrival of Ryder, the extra year of experience of Krejci/Lucic, and the arrival of Wheeler, I don't necessarily think Wideman is guaranteed a spot on PP1. I'm not saying they would do this, but I think BOS has 9 or 10 forwards capable of playing on the PP, so I could see them rolling with 1 D-man per unit.

Don't get me wrong, I would take Wideman in this, too, but I don't think it's that outrageous...

Well THN has a 20 point differential between them both this year, that is pretty significant... 39 pts vs 19 pts.

[nyrblue2]

Well THN has a 20 point differential between them both this year, that is pretty significant... 39 pts vs 19 pts.
Yea, from a D-man that's a good chunk.

Couldn't hurt just to ask the guy why he's trading away Wideman.

[Hoo Hoo Howie]

I don't think I'd veto it, but I'd definitely ask the guy who traded Wideman away what his thinking was. And I'd probably do it on the league message board, just to put it out in the open that you feel the trade is a little fishy.

[WinnipegWingnut]

And I'd probably do it on the league message board, just to put it out in the open that you feel the trade is a little fishy.

I would probably go this route too... it might cause a bit of a riff calling them out on the board, but this way every other manager knows what your thinking and it's hard for the two managers trading to just hide from giving an answer.

[cod4us]

No veto. Chara and Bergeron are probably going to run the #1 PP. Not sure what the upside on Lebda is. I find this trade puzzling too.

[chgorman]

FWIW - one of LEdba or Lilja will probably be traded within the next few days, as I believe the Wings are over the cap and need to shed a few dollars from their cap number, and Lebda and Lilja seem to be the best bets to go (moreso Lebda because of his small contract), with Quincey showing promise, Ericsson showing last year that he could handle 3rd line duty, and Meech/Kindl having shots at being call-ups this year.

The trade is def uneven at the moment (veto-able is debateable) but maybe the guy getting Lebda is counting in him being traded to somewhere where he'll have an increased role with more icetime. Unlikely, but possible I guess. Just tossing that out there.

[WinnipegWingnut]

Probably Lilja, as just shedding Lebda wont put us under the cap. Right now we're 715,000 over the cap, and Lebda gets 650,000 a year. Lilja at 1,250,000 would work though! :)

[tgalv]

lebda is worthless. the guy might as well just be transferring wideman to the other guys roster...