WWE

[King_Killah]

Somebody else has to watch this!

Can someone please beat the piss out of this Muhammad Hassan?

Speaking of WWE, Christy Hemme will be in Playboy next month!

[Doctego]

Somebody else has to watch this!

Can someone please beat the piss out of this Muhammad Hassan?

Speaking of WWE, Christy Hemme will be in Playboy next month!

He just fucked up Benoit. :roll:

Daivari is such a retard.

[King_Killah]

He is a jack ass and that little terd that is with him, Daivari is a douche also.

Someone has to beat the piss out of both of them!

[King_Killah]

As part of WWE's ad campaign for Wrestlemania 21, they just had a skit where Stacy Keibler played the Sharon Stone role in Sliver.

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/7185/ssc86801rh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Fantastic...

She had panties on for the famous leg cross over, but whatever...

[CayugaPosse]

Christian is by far the most entertaining wrestler in the WWE. So far ahead of the pack.

"How about Sado-Masochistic play?"

"I love you"

And my favourite, from the royal rumble this year when he walked into the draw room :

"Hey! Teddy Long! I just got done signing a petition to get you fired!"

*walks over to the girls spinning the wheel*

"Hey girls. You've got a tough job. You should be real proud of yourselves"

And then of course his rap on John Cena featuring the most hilarious rap rhyme ever : "Dracula is from Transylvania, and I'm going to win the rumble and go to Wrestlemania!"

On a side note, you guys all realize that Hassan is from the USA, born and raised correct? It's amazing how well he's getting heat from fans, and hilarious that they all chant USA at him since he's American born and raised.

[King_Killah]

Christian is by far the most entertaining wrestler in the WWE. So far ahead of the pack.

"How about Sado-Masochistic play?"

"I love you"

And my favourite, from the royal rumble this year when he walked into the draw room :

"Hey! Teddy Long! I just got done signing a petition to get you fired!"

*walks over to the girls spinning the wheel*

"Hey girls. You've got a tough job. You should be real proud of yourselves"

And then of course his rap on John Cena featuring the most hilarious rap rhyme ever : "Dracula is from Transylvania, and I'm going to win the rumble and go to Wrestlemania!"

On a side note, you guys all realize that Hassan is from the USA, born and raised correct? It's amazing how well he's getting heat from fans, and hilarious that they all chant USA at him since he's American born and raised.

He is from Detroit, MI. Yeah I know... He still is an ass!

[Doctego]

As part of WWE's ad campaign for Wrestlemania 21, they just had a skit where Stacy Keibler played the Sharon Stone role in Sliver.

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/7185/ssc86801rh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Fantastic...

She had panties on for the famous leg cross over, but whatever...

What's up with the fake auto?? :roll:

Cayuga.......I guess that you're not being biased for the Canadian. :roll: Christian is O.K. but far from the best at anything.

[Doctego]

As part of WWE's ad campaign for Wrestlemania 21, they just had a skit where Stacy Keibler played the Sharon Stone role in Sliver.

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/7185/ssc86801rh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Fantastic...

She had panties on for the famous leg cross over, but whatever...

What's up with the fake auto?? :roll:

Cayuga.......I guess that you're not being biased for the Canadian. :roll: Christian is O.K. but far from the best at anything.

[Hobbes]

Haha, I haven't watched wrestling in a couple of years, but I do remember Christian being awesome. Remember his five second poses with Edge? :lol:

[King_Killah]

As part of WWE's ad campaign for Wrestlemania 21, they just had a skit where Stacy Keibler played the Sharon Stone role in Sliver.

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/7185/ssc86801rh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Fantastic...

She had panties on for the famous leg cross over, but whatever...

What's up with the fake auto?? :roll:

Cayuga.......I guess that you're not being biased for the Canadian. :roll: Christian is O.K. but far from the best at anything.

Who the fuck knows... I found it online, so y'all know what scene I was talking about!

[Hockeyis#1]

Haha, I haven't watched wrestling in a couple of years, but I do remember Christian being awesome. Remember his five second poses with Edge? :lol:


Those were the good old days....I'm really looking forward to Wrestlemania.....

oh yeah....and I think Benoit is going to lose to Hassan...

[King_Killah]

Haha, I haven't watched wrestling in a couple of years, but I do remember Christian being awesome. Remember his five second poses with Edge? :lol:


Those were the good old days....I'm really looking forward to Wrestlemania.....

oh yeah....and I think Benoit is going to lose to Hassan...

Probably! I love how they build these characters almost overnight now. Hassan has done what? Beat Jerry Lawler in his debut, then beat up Sgt. Slaughter and beat up Benoit? And he's demanding a title shot! Please... The only title he deserves is the person that can eat the most corn out of human shit!

[CayugaPosse]

Wrestling pushes happen entirely based on crowd reaction and character "effectiveness".

What has Hassan done? Become the most hated wrestler on the show, which is a very big factor.

He's a good wrestler in ring, and great on the mic(making you loathe him any time he opens his mouth).

As for Christian Doc, I guaran-damn-tee you he could be the best wrestler on this planet given the opportunity.

Every time he is in a backstage segment, any time he is in an inteview he is absolute comic gold. Highlighted is deffinitely the 5 second pose tag team phase with Edge, when they would cut promos about how "sodas totally rule!"

Everything he does is hilarious, and in the ring he can be a great worker when he wants to be.

Am I biased? I don't know, but I do know that Canadians breed better wrestlers, that's "fact". When I say wrestlers I mean in ring workers.

Chris Benoit, Edge, Christian, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Owen Hart just to highlight some examples.

In summary, Christian rules, I'm praying that after Wrestlemania they'll switch him over to Smackdown! and have him feud in the main event against John Cena because Christian can be the perfect opponent for Cena as shown by their absolutely hysterical segment at Royal Rumble. If they let those 2 feud as the main event title feud on Smackdown for this summer/fall, I'd actually start watching Smackdown and care about that brand.

Christian has long deserved a Title run, and I pray that this year we're going to see it happen.

[Gambit]

Bret " The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20hart.jpg

[Hockeyis#1]

Wrestling pushes happen entirely based on crowd reaction and character "effectiveness".

What has Hassan done? Become the most hated wrestler on the show, which is a very big factor.

He's a good wrestler in ring, and great on the mic(making you loathe him any time he opens his mouth).

As for Christian Doc, I guaran-damn-tee you he could be the best wrestler on this planet given the opportunity.

Every time he is in a backstage segment, any time he is in an inteview he is absolute comic gold. Highlighted is deffinitely the 5 second pose tag team phase with Edge, when they would cut promos about how "sodas totally rule!"

Everything he does is hilarious, and in the ring he can be a great worker when he wants to be.

Am I biased? I don't know, but I do know that Canadians breed better wrestlers, that's "fact". When I say wrestlers I mean in ring workers.

Chris Benoit, Edge, Christian, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Owen Hart just to highlight some examples.

In summary, Christian rules, I'm praying that after Wrestlemania they'll switch him over to Smackdown! and have him feud in the main event against John Cena because Christian can be the perfect opponent for Cena as shown by their absolutely hysterical segment at Royal Rumble. If they let those 2 feud as the main event title feud on Smackdown for this summer/fall, I'd actually start watching Smackdown and care about that brand.

Christian has long deserved a Title run, and I pray that this year we're going to see it happen.


The only problem with Christian is that they need to build up his in ring moves. Like, I don't think he'd be a good world champion because his moves (Unprettier) just don't finish people off....the Pedigree, Tombstone, even the RKO are much more effective signature finishers....

[FlyGuy78]

I think Christian is gay. I also don't think he has as good as a personality as some of the other greats in wrestling. Nobody had better lines than The Rock!!

[King_Killah]

Wrestling pushes happen entirely based on crowd reaction and character "effectiveness".

What has Hassan done? Become the most hated wrestler on the show, which is a very big factor.

He's a good wrestler in ring, and great on the mic(making you loathe him any time he opens his mouth).

As for Christian Doc, I guaran-damn-tee you he could be the best wrestler on this planet given the opportunity.

Every time he is in a backstage segment, any time he is in an inteview he is absolute comic gold. Highlighted is deffinitely the 5 second pose tag team phase with Edge, when they would cut promos about how "sodas totally rule!"

Everything he does is hilarious, and in the ring he can be a great worker when he wants to be.

Am I biased? I don't know, but I do know that Canadians breed better wrestlers, that's "fact". When I say wrestlers I mean in ring workers.

Chris Benoit, Edge, Christian, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Owen Hart just to highlight some examples.

In summary, Christian rules, I'm praying that after Wrestlemania they'll switch him over to Smackdown! and have him feud in the main event against John Cena because Christian can be the perfect opponent for Cena as shown by their absolutely hysterical segment at Royal Rumble. If they let those 2 feud as the main event title feud on Smackdown for this summer/fall, I'd actually start watching Smackdown and care about that brand.

Christian has long deserved a Title run, and I pray that this year we're going to see it happen.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa......

I'll give you your due for the Peyton Manning argument. I'll even give you some props for some of our musical debates. But I am going to have to cut this one up a little! :wink:

First, I totally agree that the crowd reaction gears the storyline. 100%!

So with that, Hassan and his bozo hose-choker should be fighting, dudes heavily backing the USA, like they tried to do with good ol' Sgt. Slaughter a few weeks ago. Why pair him up with Chris Benoit? Perhaps they need to bring back "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan or better yet, Hulk Hogan. Because after all, he is "a real American who fights for the right of every man!" Perhaps, get Stone Cold or the Rock out of his movie thing. That would be a better play. Especially if they want to utilize the USA vs. Iraq angle.

Then we get to Christian. He's a flaming flamingo. Is he funny? He's OK. Edge led that team, that is why Edge had the upper hand when it came to getting title shots. Just like Shawn Michaels. He used to team with Marty Jannetty. They were a flashy-fun tag team. Michaels was the leader of that team and look what happened. Where's Marty Jannetty? GONE!

Christian is OK. He does his job well, and that is to agitate and annoy the crowd. His whole storyline with Tyson Tomko the "Problem Solver" is ridiculous. With that role, he doesn't deserve a spot on [i]WWE Velocity/i]. He has skills, yes! But he doesn't use them properly. He'll never be the WWE champion. Sorry to burst your bubble there. Christian the best wrestler on the planet! Wow, dude...that's some statement. He couldn't be with the rosters that Raw and Smackdown currently possess. No way could he be better than Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Triple H...should I continue?

Canada breeds better wrestlers, I mean ring workers? Are you kidding me? I'll give you Bret Hart and Owen Hart (or the Blue Blazer which ever you prefer to call him). Benoit is good too. The list ends there though. No way any of those guys are better than (from back in the day) Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Bobby Eaton, Sting, Barry Windham, (present) Randy Orton, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Shaw Michaels. If you wanna compare them to the name guys like Hogan, Austin, Rock...sure they are better, but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!" They couldn't draw the crowds that those guys brought.

John Cena would beat the hell out of Christian. Sorry! Let him go to Smackdown. That's fine. No loss to Raw.

[Hockeyis#1]

but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!"

ummm I have 3 words for you:

Raw Is Jericho

[King_Killah]

but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!"

ummm I have 3 words for you:

Raw Is Jericho

What an Assclown!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FlyGuy78]

Even Eugene was cooler than Christian!! :lol:

[King_Killah]

Even Eugene was cooler than Christian!! :lol:

:shock: Time the f*** out! Eugene was the worst character! The retarded thing is that they are going to bring him back. I supposed he is geared towards children, but still... His character was bad.

[FlyGuy78]

Even Eugene was cooler than Christian!! :lol:

:shock: Time the f*** out! Eugene was the worst character! The retarded thing is that they are going to bring him back. I supposed he is geared towards children, but still... His character was bad.

You only hated him because he reminded you of ME!!! :lol:

You have to admit him doing all the greats' finishers is actually pretty funny!!

[draft51]

Bret " The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20hart.jpg
no doubt...

[Doctego]

but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!"

ummm I have 3 words for you:

Raw Is Jericho

And Jericho is now claiming to be from New York. I do like the unprettier, though. I say make Christian a jobber until they fire that nitbag Tyson Tomko.

[Doctego]

Even Eugene was cooler than Christian!! :lol:

:shock: Time the f*** out! Eugene was the worst character! The retarded thing is that they are going to bring him back. I supposed he is geared towards children, but still... His character was bad.

I agree but he did the moves better than the actual guys. His rock bottom and stunner ruled.

[FlyGuy78]

Even Eugene was cooler than Christian!! :lol:

:shock: Time the f*** out! Eugene was the worst character! The retarded thing is that they are going to bring him back. I supposed he is geared towards children, but still... His character was bad.

I agree but he did the moves better than the actual guys. His rock bottom and stunner ruled.

indeed they did!! :thumblef:

[King_Killah]

Bret " The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20hart.jpg
no doubt...

Yeah....

But to be them, you gotta beat the man... Wooooo!!!!!

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5761/ricflair0jm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[FlyGuy78]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

[Farmerbob42]

my friend is really into wrestling... he even has a wrestling pool going haha..
I sometimes goes to pay per view events since they're midly amusing and free for me.. i usually just laugh through most of it... quite amusing when randy orton landed on the thumb tacks against foley .. if i had to pick i'd say my favorite wrestlers are Tajiri, the hurricane and eugene... and i get a kick out of 'la resistance' ...

[King_Killah]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

[King_Killah]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

Next time I go, I'm bringing a big 2. That shit is funny as hell. :lol:

[Farmerbob42]

yeh my friend as previously mentioned has gone to the last couple wrestle manias and you can see him and his friends pretty good, ha... also we noticed a guy holding a big sign that said 'Catus Jack' hahahaah

[Hockeyis#1]

but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!"

ummm I have 3 words for you:

Raw Is Jericho

And Jericho is now claiming to be from New York. I do like the unprettier, though. I say make Christian a jobber until they fire that nitbag Tyson Tomko.

Isn't that what they're doing now....

Oh yeah...Eugene doing the finishers better then the actual wrestlers....u must be kidding me.....while they are funny to watch they are nowhere near that quality

[FlyGuy78]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

uhm.............NO!! He is NOT better than Hogan, Andre, Ultimate Warrior, Savage, Hitman, or even HHH!!! Flair was OK back in the day, but he is annoying as shit!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

[mkmayers]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

uhm.............NO!! He is NOT better than Hogan, Andre, Ultimate Warrior, Savage, Hitman, or even HHH!!! Flair was OK back in the day, but he is annoying as shit!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

Flair being annoying as shit is what made him so great. I used to go to the Philadelphia Civic Center every month for the NWA and always had front row balcony seats. It was absolutely hysterical to watch Flair work the crowd. He also had one of the two best face bash falls in wrestling, Greg Valentine had the other.

Now after all the props for Flair, the greatest wrestler of all time is George "The Animal" Steele. He'd wrestle for three months a year and was only a college professor the other nine months.

[CayugaPosse]

Hulk Hogan was likely the most glorified waste of space in wrestling history. He couldn't wrestle at all. Just because the guy became a mega star doesn't mean he could wrestle at all.

Saying he is the best wrestler ever is a sin punishable by death.

Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Arn Anderson, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels....now those are guys who could be lumped into the greatest wrestlers mold.

Currently I'd lump Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, HHH, obviously as stated previously Christian, Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle and Paul London(if you don't beleive find some of his matches before he came to the WWE, or even any of his matches vs Akio on Velocity the past bunch of weeks. It's why London got so much credit at the last PPV by running the table but getting cheated. It's why he'll win that title at Wrestlemania. And it's why Vince McMahon wants him on the air more, because Vince absolutely loved the London vs Akio matches recently) in the mold of the best wrestlers the WWE has today.

Cena doesn't count because a) ever since he turned good his character has become more and more irritating to the point of no return(Chain Gang? Stupid. Making the belt a spinner. Goddamn moronic and raping a legendary title belt).

Randy Orton doesn't count because as good as he has proven to be(Spring/Summer last year, I haven't seen him do anything overly special in quite a while now, and actually that moronic concussion gimmick made me loathe him. Best he turn heel next week, since he's supposed to wrestle Undertaker and Wrestlemania).

Batista is deffinitely "on the brink" of being lumped into that great wrestler mold, he is the WWE mocking Brock Lesnar and the fact that they never needed Brock and don't need Brock back now.

[King_Killah]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

uhm.............NO!! He is NOT better than Hogan, Andre, Ultimate Warrior, Savage, Hitman, or even HHH!!! Flair was OK back in the day, but he is annoying as shit!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

Homer,

Don't get me started!

Hogan couldn't wrestle... (just charisma and great fan control)
Andre couldn't wrestle... (really had nothing, just big)
Ultimate Warrior couldn't wrestle... (same as Hogan)
Macho and Hitman could...
Triple H is OK...

As far as wrestling goes... Flair tops all! You only know him from his WWF/WWE days, I am talking about AWA, NWA, WCW...Four Horsemen era... He couldn't be touched.

[King_Killah]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

uhm.............NO!! He is NOT better than Hogan, Andre, Ultimate Warrior, Savage, Hitman, or even HHH!!! Flair was OK back in the day, but he is annoying as shit!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

Flair being annoying as shit is what made him so great. I used to go to the Philadelphia Civic Center every month for the NWA and always had front row balcony seats. It was absolutely hysterical to watch Flair work the crowd. He also had one of the two best face bash falls in wrestling, Greg Valentine had the other.

Now after all the props for Flair, the greatest wrestler of all time is George "The Animal" Steele. He'd wrestle for three months a year and was only a college professor the other nine months.

MK Mayers -- I used to go to the NWA shows at the Civic Center also... Every month, like clockwork! My pops used to take me, they'd announce the next show and we'd get tickets right then and there! Half the time we had seats on that upper balcony, the other half of the time we were where they walked to the ring. The funny thing was when the guys would peak out from the big curtain and watch the action! That is how you knew when people would run down or not!

Good stuff!

[Doctego]

Hulk Hogan was likely the most glorified waste of space in wrestling history. He couldn't wrestle at all. Just because the guy became a mega star doesn't mean he could wrestle at all.

Saying he is the best wrestler ever is a sin punishable by death.

Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Arn Anderson, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels....now those are guys who could be lumped into the greatest wrestlers mold.

Currently I'd lump Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, HHH, obviously as stated previously Christian, Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle and Paul London(if you don't beleive find some of his matches before he came to the WWE, or even any of his matches vs Akio on Velocity the past bunch of weeks. It's why London got so much credit at the last PPV by running the table but getting cheated. It's why he'll win that title at Wrestlemania. And it's why Vince McMahon wants him on the air more, because Vince absolutely loved the London vs Akio matches recently) in the mold of the best wrestlers the WWE has today.

Cena doesn't count because a) ever since he turned good his character has become more and more irritating to the point of no return(Chain Gang? Stupid. Making the belt a spinner. Goddamn moronic and raping a legendary title belt).

Randy Orton doesn't count because as good as he has proven to be(Spring/Summer last year, I haven't seen him do anything overly special in quite a while now, and actually that moronic concussion gimmick made me loathe him. Best he turn heel next week, since he's supposed to wrestle Undertaker and Wrestlemania).

Batista is deffinitely "on the brink" of being lumped into that great wrestler mold, he is the WWE mocking Brock Lesnar and the fact that they never needed Brock and don't need Brock back now.

Nitbag.......No one could ever say that Hogan was a great wrestler with a straight face but he was great for the company at the time. He bridged eras and for that, he should be recognized. You seem to like to shit on some of the wrestlers but you need to remember that most of the time, they don't come up with their characters. You don't like Cena?? Talk to Vince. Orton vs. Taker at Wrestlemania?? Where did you hear this?? I have seen nothing of the sort.

[mkmayers]

Flair is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

But he is the greatest wrestler of all time!

uhm.............NO!! He is NOT better than Hogan, Andre, Ultimate Warrior, Savage, Hitman, or even HHH!!! Flair was OK back in the day, but he is annoying as shit!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol:

Flair being annoying as shit is what made him so great. I used to go to the Philadelphia Civic Center every month for the NWA and always had front row balcony seats. It was absolutely hysterical to watch Flair work the crowd. He also had one of the two best face bash falls in wrestling, Greg Valentine had the other.

Now after all the props for Flair, the greatest wrestler of all time is George "The Animal" Steele. He'd wrestle for three months a year and was only a college professor the other nine months.

MK Mayers -- I used to go to the NWA shows at the Civic Center also... Every month, like clockwork! My pops used to take me, they'd announce the next show and we'd get tickets right then and there! Half the time we had seats on that upper balcony, the other half of the time we were where they walked to the ring. The funny thing was when the guys would peak out from the big curtain and watch the action! That is how you knew when people would run down or not!

Good stuff!

We used to go to the Spectrum every month for the WWF also (especially in the summer when Goerge would be wrestling) but I liked going to the NWA shows much better. I think it was the size of the venue for me, being right on top of it at the civic center.

[Hockeyis#1]

The only thing I dislike about WWE now a days....Flair WAS a great wrestler. 19 time world champion.....you want to know why Flair was possibley the best of all time? see below site

http://www.rajah.com/base/2005/2426

I highly encourage you to read.

[Gambit]

Bret " The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20hart.jpg
no doubt...

Yeah....

But to be them, you gotta beat the man... Wooooo!!!!!

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5761/ricflair0jm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Bret won his first ever WWF World Championship belt by beating Ric Flair!!

[Gambit]

The only thing I dislike about WWE now a days....Flair WAS a great wrestler. 19 time world champion.....you want to know why Flair was possibley the best of all time? see below site

http://www.rajah.com/base/2005/2426

I highly encourage you to read.


Here's the article from the link he posted:



TO WEAR THE GOLD

“The World Wrestling Entertainment title, which is without question the premier title in the business, is more like winning an Academy Award. Usually, it is given to the wrestler that the company thinks can ‘carry the ball’ for them in terms of drawing crowds in arenas and buy rates on Pay-Per-View. … I had always tried to downplay the importance of the World Wrestling Entertainment title in my career. That is, of course, until I won it.” -Mick Foley, Foley is Good

To wear the gold is the greatest honor a professional wrestler can receive. The gold, in this case, being the world title. The biggest prize. What every wrestler wants. It is more than a hunk of metal given to a man who won a predetermined victory. It is an award. It is testament that the wrestler who receives it has done something spectacular in his career. That the wrestler has made it to the top of the mountain and can look down on the world that he now owns. It is not just everything. It is the only thing.

World championship wins are often brought up these days when speaking of the man who many consider to be one of the greatest of all time: “Nature Boy” Ric Flair. After all, according to WWE television, he has won it sixteen times spanning his career in NWA, WCW, and WWF/E. In actuality, he has won it more, but because of the confusing nature of some of his wins, the number is said to be lower on television when it is considerably higher. I will go into details later. Ric Flair is not the greatest of all time simply because he has won so much gold but because he has won it in nearly all the top promotions and he did it with style and fantastic ability. When WWE announcers and commentators speak of Flair, they make it sound almost as if his record could never be broken.

Enter Triple H.

The Game. The Cerebral Assassin. Call him what you want. At the end of the day, whether one loves him, hates him, or has a mixed feeling of both, Triple H will one day surpass sixteen world titles and possibly even the real number Flair has scored in his career. Triple H is in a position of power in WWE. Make no mistake about it. He freely admits he is a writer for Raw now. That, along with his obvious talents, spell out constant victory over the champs of the business. Barring serious, career-ending injury, Triple H may tie or break Flair’s record.

Would that make him the new greatest of all time? Let’s take a trip back in time before answering that question.


–RIC FLAIR’S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS–



“The amount of times Ric Flair has been champion has always been a sort of confusion.” - Wrestle View


“Nature Boy” Ric Flair debuted in the world of wrestling 1972 in the American Wrestling Association. Formerly part of the NWA, the AWA became a promotion all its own in 1960. It was managed by wrestler/promoter Verne Gagne, who not coincidentally, was Flair’s trainer. While Flair was a star in AWA, he never received the big gold. Never the promotion’s World Championship.

His first huge win was actually in September of 1981 against “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes. Flair took the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and began a nearly two-year reign as top dog. As his first reign was dying down, Flair was engaged in a feud with legendary wrestler Harley Race. The feud saw Flair and Race pass the belt between themselves over the course of nine months. Flair lost the belt in June of 1983 but regained it only a few months later in November. Early next year, Race won it back but was quickly removed a mere two days later. Flair was on top again. Because of the way the Race feud was handled, Flair was then a three-time NWA World Champion.






Flair lost the NWA Championship to Kerry Von Erich a couple months later, but when the Nature Boy regained it on May 24th of 1984, he held it for two years, two months, and two days. A massive reign even for its time. Flair was the man in NWA. For anyone who has only seen his WCW and WWF/E work, I highly recommend buying tapes or picking up the DVD collection WWE released a while ago. That is Flair in his prime. Not the man we saw in his forties and fifties still trying to stay on top somehow.

Back to the history, Flair continued to capture the NWA Championship against the likes of Sting and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. Here is where the lineage of the belt and Flair’s role in that history became difficult to ascertain. About the aforementioned two-day reign of Harley Race, in 1984, Harley Race (seemingly) beat Flair in New Zealand for the belt. Flair regained it in Singapore. Now, I am always suspect of title changes happening in far-off places. Mostly because of the false tournmanets that WWWF claimed happened in South America. However, for the time being, I can only assume what I read is accurate. The title change was not recognized or barely mentioned until the 90’s.

As the years went on, because of the sale of Jim Crockett’s part in the NWA, World Championship Wrestling was born in Crockett’s territory’s place. Confusing? Yes, it is. Click HERE for a previous column I have written on the complicated history of the championship. Suffice it to say, Ric Flair ended his career in the NWA and sealed his record at seven NWA Championship reigns.






With WCW now in business, it was not going to take too long before Flair proved his dominance once more by defeating Sting on January 11th, 1991. What happened next with the belt was a little odd. On March 21st, 1991, Tatsumi Fujinami defeated Flair in Japan…sort of. The Japanese referee for the match counted a pin, but the WCW referee for the match disqualified Flair for tossing Fujinami over the top rope. Back in those days, WCW had an rule about sending opponents over the ropes. You couldn’t or else you would lose the match. It sounds a little absurd in today’s climate when out of the ring fighting in commonplace, but those were the rules of the time. The title was then held up and settled in May when Flair beat Fujinami in America. Whether or not this is considered a new reign or merely a clarification as to who was champion all along is open to debate. The best source I found says it does not count.

Later that year, Ric Flair’s contract with WCW was up. The new deal he was offered was reported to be significantly less than his previous contract. He was also told that he would no longer have booking power. Flair left WCW and signed with WWF soon after. He started appearing on WWF television in October 1991. He also came to the WWF with his old NWA belt. Jim Crockett had the belt specially made for Ric Flair in 1985 for $10,000. Flair could take the belt with him wherever he went. It was not exactly official, though. He was “stripped” of the title by NWA officials if not in appearance than at least in name. Not that he needed it for long. In January of 1992, Ric Flair won the WWF Championship by winning that year’s Royal Rumble.
Not long after, Flair entered into a feud with “Macho Man” Randy Savage. It was a good story involving Flair claiming to have had an affair with Savage’s wife Miss Elizabeth. Not the sexed up or failed pregnancy marriage stories we see now. A very interesting plot of Flair having doctored photos of he and Elizabeth. It made for interesting television. What was even better was the action in the ring. Flair lost the WWF Championship to Savage in an excellent match at Wrestlemania VIII. Flair regained the championship a few months later but soon lost it to Bret Hart. Around that time, Flair was on his way out and was released from his contract with WWF. Thus far, that makes ten world championships. Seven from NWA, one from WCW, and two from WWF.






Moving along, Flair resurfaced in World Championship Wrestling. Were they mad at him for leaving right before Great American Bash? Maybe but it did not really show. Over the next couple years, the Nature Boy captured the International World Heavyweight Championship from Barry Windham and later won the big ones from Vader, Ricky Steamboat, and Sting, which catapaulted his World title record even higher. He was not quite the man he was a few years back, but he was still Ric Flair, and that was more than enough to get him in the driver’s seat in WCW. He even renewed his feud with Randy Savage after the Macho Man ditched WWF. Flair won the belt from him twice.

Flair’s longevity in professional wrestling is incredible. While he is not the man he was ten or fifteen years ago, he can still put on a good show. In his fifties, Ric Flair has won three World Championships. Once against Hulk Hogan, once against Jeff Jarrett, and his final one due to Kevin Nash forfeiting his title to Flair in May of 2000. Since then, Flair has not captured any more gold. It could be argued that if he were part of the WCW Invasion angle, he may have had one more run with belt. This was not to be. Since coming to WWE, Flair has won the Tag Team Championships twice with Batista but never the big one. It is not expected that he’ll be given the belt at this point in his career. He’ll be fifty-six in a few weeks.

Let’s total it up: Seven NWA Championships, ten WCW Championships, and two WWF Championships. While the exact number of wins are open to interpretation, my basic math says nineteen.


–TRIPLE H’S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS–


“Triple H has won the World Championship ten times. Only two men in history have done that. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. That’s where Triple H is right now.” - Jim Ross (paraphrase)


After a somewhat unmemorable run in WCW, the man who would soon be known as Triple H was signed by WWF in 1995. After four years of wrestling Henry O. Godwin, being squashed by Ultimate Warrior, and taking over D-Generation X, Triple H was made WWF Champion on the August 23rd 1999 episode of Raw. He defeated Mankind. Often, a wrestler’s first world championship victory is followed by a fairly lengthy or at least eventful reign at the top. This was not to be for Triple H. He lost the belt less than a month later to Vince McMahon on an episode of Smackdown.






Fortunately for Triple H, he did not have to wait long for his next moment in the sun. Later in September, he won back the gold in the main event for Unforgiven. It was the famous “six-pack challenge match” which featured Triple H, The Rock, The Big Show, Kane, Mankind, and the British Bulldog. Time for the real reign, right? No, not this time either. Triple H was on top again but he could not catch a break. He lost the belt to The Big Show less than two months later at Survivor Series. If I remember correctly, Show was not originally scheduled to be in the main event, but due to Austin’s injury, there was a shake-up in the card. Show was quickly booked to win the belt.

In January of 2000, Triple H received his rematch against The Big Show. In one of the very rare world title changes on free television in this millennium, the Game came up with the win. He retained the belt at Wrestlemania despite the unwritten rule of heels always losing in the ‘Mania main event. Triple H’s win was a huge break in tradition. Frankly, at this point, he deserved to hold the belt for more than a brief reign, and if they took the belt off of him at Wrestlemania in 2000, it would be his third uneventful run with the title. Triple H owned Wrestlemania but later fell to The Rock at Backlash, which still gave the Game adequate time as champion.

In one of the greatest matches of Triple H’s career, he faced The Rock a few weeks later in a sixty-minute iron man match. It blew away all expectations and solidified Triple H was one of the best in the business. Of course, a month later, The Rock was champion again. The only problem with Triple H’s early title reigns is that most of them ended very quickly. That was the time, though. 2000 was the tail end of the Monday night wars with WCW. WWF could not let anything get “stale,” so the belt was hot-shotted around.

In 2001, Triple H received a terrible blow to his career. His quadricep was torn during a tag team match on Raw. It left him out of the ring and out of any title hunt until January of 2002. He returned in the Royal Rumble, won it, and earned himself a shot at Chris Jericho’s Undisputed Championship at Wrestlemania. The Game won the ‘Mania main event as a babyface and began his next reign as WWF/E’s top man. Both his time as babyface and time as champion did not last long. A month later, Triple H lost the Undisputed Championship to the returning Hulk Hogan. When was Triple H going to catch a break? It seemed as if every time he won the big one, it was snatched away so quickly.






Brock Lesnar soon became Undisputed Champion, and during the brand expansion, he left to be exclusive to Smackdown. This made the championship very much in dispute, so Raw created their own title, the old WCW/World Championship. Rather than having a tournament or a #1 contender’s match, WWE decided to hand the belt to Triple H. This eye-rollingly annoying move set up Triple H with another chance to have a good run with the belt. Again, it was not to be. About two and a half months into the reign, Shawn Michaels won the belt in the first ever Elimination Chamber. A month later, at Armageddon, Triple H won his belt back and began his incredible nine month run as Raw’s World Heavyweight Champion. Incredible because in this day and age, anything over six months is massive compared to a few years prior.

Triple H lost the championship to Goldberg but fortunately for the Game (and for me, frankly), he won it back a couple months later. As 2004 rolled around, Chris Benoit finally captured his first world title. Triple H was not done yet, though. He recaptured the belt later that year. Not from Benoit but from the man who dethroned the Crippler: Randy Orton. Here is similarity between Triple H and Flair. Much as it happened a couple times in the Nature Boy’s career, the World Championship was made vacant during one of Triple H’s reigns. Due to a controversial finish on Raw, the belt was put on hiatus to be decided in an Elimination Chamber match at WWE’s first 2005 Pay-Per-View, New Year’s Revolution. As predicted, the Cerebral Assassin won in the end. That brough his total world championship record to a stunning ten times.

–THE COMPARISON–

Besides the obvious current title standing of Ric Flair at nineteen (as previously indicated, there is confusion and WWE announces it incorrectly) and Triple H at ten, here are the other raw numbers and statistics:






- Longest Title Reign. Ric Flair’s longest world title reign: Two years, two months and two days. Won it from Kerry Von Erich and lost it to Dusty Rhodes. Triple H’s longest world title reign: Nine months and eight days. Won it from Shawn Michaels and lost it to Goldberg.

- Approximate Average Title Reign. Ric Flair: 182 days. Triple H: 87 days.

- Diversity. Ric Flair’s world championships: Seven NWA Championships, ten WCW Championships and two WWF Championships. It should be noted that some of these reigns were WCW’s “International World Championship.” All of the big titles of that era. Triple H’s world championships: All ten in WWF/E regardless of brand name.

What does all of this mean? Why are they so very different? Most importantly, why does Triple H have an almost impossible mountain to climb to be considered to be on the same level as “Nature Boy” Ric Flair in terms of accomplishments? I will get to the crux of the matter. Ric Flair and Triple H were born at different times. They wrestled in different eras.

Think about it. When Ric Flair was at his peak, the National Wrestling Alliance was going strong. Long title reigns were the tradition at the time. Not Bruno Sammartino reigns of a few years prior but still fairly lengthy. By the time WCW hit, there was competition amoung the top two wrestling promotions in the country. After Flair reigned supreme in NWA, he was able to travel to WWF and win the top gold there too. Even when he left, WCW was still in business and would have the great Nature Boy on their roster.

Triple H debuted in the early 90’s. Around the time when Ric Flair had already reached his peak. The would-be Game had a brief stint in WCW but the majority of his career has been with WWF/E. He became champion when the need to hot shot the title around was at an all-time high due to the constant ratings wars. Also, he won his first world title towards the end of WCW’s run. By the time he was the man, WCW was less than a couple years away from going down the drain. So, he had no opportunity to be a diverse world champion and try his skills elsewhere.

All of this adds up to one thing: Unless Triple H surpasses Flair so greatly in number of world title reigns and new competition arises, Triple H may never be on the same level as Flair. Breaking the record does not mean he will then become the greatest of all time because the climate of professional wrestling is drastically different now. Everything has changed. The titles. The wrestlers. The reigns. The records. Everything.

Jim Ross did his job last night comparing Triple H’s world title record to that of Ric Flair. It is his job to put over the wrestlers as best he can, and he always does it well. The only problem is that the veteran wrestlers, officials, and commentators of NWA, WCW, and WWF/E, himself included, know better.

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[King_Killah]

Bret " The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20hart.jpg
no doubt...

Yeah....

But to be them, you gotta beat the man... Wooooo!!!!!

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5761/ricflair0jm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Bret won his first ever WWF World Championship belt by beating Ric Flair!!

While this may be true, Bret Hart can count to the number of times Flair held a World Championship! Oh...and what is Bret Hart doing now, not a hell of a lot! Flair is still at it. Sure, he doesn't play much of a role in the ring anymore, but at least he is still there!

[Hockeyis#1]

Flair will always be the man....he has no second....

[CayugaPosse]

Doc :

"The following matches, according to the commercial, are scheduled to take place:

1) Triple H vs. Batista for the World Heavyweight Title
2) JBL vs. Cena for the WWE Title
3) Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
4) Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

Even though the first three matches seemed to be a lock for the card, we now can clearly add Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker to that list. I guess the rumors to the Randy Orton heel turn may actually have some truth to them."

That's obviously in reference to the Wrestlemania commercial. Wrestling the Undertaker is obviously what Orton was talking to Shawn about last Monday, you just don't know it yet because they haven't fully shown you it.

They want to do it for a "Legend vs Legend Killer Match", and they want to do it because it's the one match where you can say to yourself, "Undertaker might actually lose this". Undertaker has never lost at Wrestlemania, and Mark Calloway is very protective of that fact. But, with that kind of match, and it being Randy Orton who most people backstage feel is the future of the company, it's the one time you could see Undertaker be willing to lose at Wrestlemania. It'll at least give his match some form of suspense.

Yes Hogan did alot for the company, there's no question he's the most influential wrestler ever.

But he's not even close to the greatest wrestler ever. He wasn't even a good wrestler. He was great for what he did, but Flyguy said that Ric Flair was not as great a wrestler as Hulk Hogan. So I corrected him that Ric Flair IS the best wrestler ever, and Hulk Hogan was a waste in the ring who had terrific marketing.

And yes, wrestling is all about marketing. I don't blame John Cena for becoming more of a wuss in his promos, doing retarded things like the Chain Gang and the belt being a spinner. I don't.

But that doesn't mean that I can't call the WWE on it, just like I'm calling them on the way they've booked Randy Orton since he beat Benoit for the title. They should have had the jealousy angle with HHH for months before Evolution turned on Orton, instead they did it the next night. They should have had Orton seem like he had HHH's number by always beating him, instead HHH beat him at the very next PPV making Orton's title reign one month. Then they buried him in the midcard, and then came up with the concussion gimmick.

John Cena isn't a good wrestler either besides the fact. He's a brawler. His matches work, they're entertaining and he does well with what he's got...but he's not a solid in ring wrestler. If you notice at the last PPV, Kurt Angle had to carry 9/10ths of the match with his in ring work while Cena would fight back for the odd brawling combo or the odd wrestling move, then he hit his finisher.

I have no doubt Cena will be a good champ, alot of fans love him. But I'm just saying in my eyes his gimmick is getting very bland and corny, and he lacks the wrestling talent to keep me interested once his gimmick grows tiring like it has now. A prime example of that case is infact Kurt Angle, he's been the same character since he debuted, and alot of his promos are the same, and it's growing tiring. But, his absolutely amazing in ring work and matches make me not care about that gimmick, because I know that ultimately when the fued's payoff takes place(PPV matches), he's going to put on a classic, because he always does.

[Gambit]

okay, king killah, no doubt in my mind Flair is definitely the Montreal Canadiens of Wrestling, but Bret Hart is like the Edmonton Oilers of the 80's.

He was by far one of the WWF's most popular wrestlers of all-time, and one of the biggest stars the WWF has ever had....he was a tremendous wrestler, and had much success.

He has been through alot though, with the deaths of friends(British Bulldog, Brian Pillman, among others) and his brother, Owen Hart, as well as his mother, Helen.

He had a stroke a few years ago, very sad....a link to his site:

http://www.brethart.com/

[Hockeyis#1]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

[Gambit]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

Do they really? That is fucking awesome....anyone ever watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows....very good film

[CayugaPosse]

Ric is the best of all time, but it's untrue he has no second, Gambit is right, his 2nd is Bret Hart.

Bret was great in everything he did, be it tag team with Jim Neidhart or solo career.

He likely has more classic WWE matches than any wrestler ever, some of the absolute best are :

Wrestlemania 10 vs Owen Hart
Wrestlemania 12 vs Shawn Michaels, Iron Man Match(the day Shawn Michaels became a star)
Submission match vs Steve Austin(the day Steve Austin became a star)
Can't remember what PPV it was, but a match against British Bulldog for the Intercontinental Title
Owen Hart Memorial match on WCW Nitro vs Chris Benoit(not WWE but I just had to mention it)

He was solid on the mic, he got great crowd reactions everywhere he went...

God I miss him.

[Gambit]

Hell yeah, Caygua....

For Bret:

http://www.hitman.tierranet.com/images/bret15.jpg

[Doctego]

I remember when Hart was a nobody and he used to use the sleeper hold. After he would put them to sleep, he used to slap them to wake them up. :P

[Hobbes]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

Do they really? That is fucking awesome....anyone ever watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows....very good film

Yeah, it was a very interesting movie.

I haven't watched wrestling in a while, so could anyone tell me who "JBL" is? Is he new?

[Doctego]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

Do they really? That is fucking awesome....anyone ever watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows....very good film

Yeah, it was a very interesting movie.

I haven't watched wrestling in a while, so could anyone tell me who "JBL" is? Is he new?

They fired Farook (Ron Simmons) of his tag team (APA) and that's what they came up with for Bradshaw. It's John "Bradshaw" Layfield (JBL). He's terrible but is actually growing on me as a heel. He's really funny on the mic now.

[CayugaPosse]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

Do they really? That is fucking awesome....anyone ever watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows....very good film

Yeah, it was a very interesting movie.

I haven't watched wrestling in a while, so could anyone tell me who "JBL" is? Is he new?

They fired Farook (Ron Simmons) of his tag team (APA) and that's what they came up with for Bradshaw. It's John "Bradshaw" Layfield (JBL). He's terrible but is actually growing on me as a heel. He's really funny on the mic now.

Yay! Someone who agrees with me.

I hated the concept of putting the title on JBL, but more and more his title reign has grown on me. He's becoming hysterical on the mic at times(the Smackdown from Iraq when he came out was one of the best moments for him, "shh, I'd appreciate it if you all keep it down so as not to alert the enemy of our whereabouts").

He's also improving in ring, mostly with how he's willing to take the most insane beatings for the sake of the match. Emphasized nicely by the last PPV when he was bleeding drastically and then chokeslammed through the ring.

Hats off to JBL, it's been alot of fun watching him grow with that title.

[Gambit]

That's him? wow, they gave him quite a push then, he was just a background player for YEARS

[Doctego]

I do give Bret Hart Credit for being adored by fans...especially in Canada. It continues to amaze me that fans still chant "You Screwed Bret" even though Survivor Series 96 is almost a decade old

Do they really? That is fucking awesome....anyone ever watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling with Shadows....very good film

Yeah, it was a very interesting movie.

I haven't watched wrestling in a while, so could anyone tell me who "JBL" is? Is he new?

They fired Farook (Ron Simmons) of his tag team (APA) and that's what they came up with for Bradshaw. It's John "Bradshaw" Layfield (JBL). He's terrible but is actually growing on me as a heel. He's really funny on the mic now.

Yay! Someone who agrees with me.

I hated the concept of putting the title on JBL, but more and more his title reign has grown on me. He's becoming hysterical on the mic at times(the Smackdown from Iraq when he came out was one of the best moments for him, "shh, I'd appreciate it if you all keep it down so as not to alert the enemy of our whereabouts").

He's also improving in ring, mostly with how he's willing to take the most insane beatings for the sake of the match. Emphasized nicely by the last PPV when he was bleeding drastically and then chokeslammed through the ring.

Hats off to JBL, it's been alot of fun watching him grow with that title.

He is better in the ring but still not great. It's also hard for me to get into a wrestler that has bigger tits than any chick at the strip club.

[Hockeyis#1]

Ric is the best of all time, but it's untrue he has no second, Gambit is right, his 2nd is Bret Hart.

Bret was great in everything he did, be it tag team with Jim Neidhart or solo career.

He likely has more classic WWE matches than any wrestler ever, some of the absolute best are :

Wrestlemania 10 vs Owen Hart
Wrestlemania 12 vs Shawn Michaels, Iron Man Match(the day Shawn Michaels became a star)
Submission match vs Steve Austin(the day Steve Austin became a star)
Can't remember what PPV it was, but a match against British Bulldog for the Intercontinental Title
Owen Hart Memorial match on WCW Nitro vs Chris Benoit(not WWE but I just had to mention it)

He was solid on the mic, he got great crowd reactions everywhere he went...

God I miss him.


No mention of the Cage match between him and Owen Hart?!?!

Nitbag! :roll:

[CayugaPosse]

I'm not a huge fan of alot of gimmick matches. I much more thoroughly enjoyed them in just a straight wrestling match at WM 10 over that cage match.

The Iron Man Match is of course the exception because it's basically just a reason for 2 of the alltime greats to wrestle for an entire hour.

Submission match worked in the WWE's favour in that instance because it forced Steve Austin, who can wrestle very well but chose to be a brawler to suit his gimmick, to actually use that wrestling talent. Thus making the match fantastic.

[King_Killah]

Doc :

"The following matches, according to the commercial, are scheduled to take place:

1) Triple H vs. Batista for the World Heavyweight Title
2) JBL vs. Cena for the WWE Title
3) Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
4) Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

This is looking right, although #3 and #4 have not been confirmed yet.

Even though the first three matches seemed to be a lock for the card, we now can clearly add Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker to that list. I guess the rumors to the Randy Orton heel turn may actually have some truth to them."

Orton turning bad isn't in the works yet either, although down the line he may go back to Evolution with Triple H and somehow work it into the story that it was the plan all along. But as for the Wrestlemania matches. The title matches will be Raw vs. Raw and Smackdown vs. Smackdown, but the rest of the matches are Raw vs. Smackdown. They are going to be between the same caliber/rank. You won't see Kane vs. Spike Dudley or anything retarded like that.

That's obviously in reference to the Wrestlemania commercial. Wrestling the Undertaker is obviously what Orton was talking to Shawn about last Monday, you just don't know it yet because they haven't fully shown you it.

At the Smackdown I just went to, that will air tonight. Tazz asked Angle about Shawn Michaels and he just walked away.

They want to do it for a "Legend vs Legend Killer Match", and they want to do it because it's the one match where you can say to yourself, "Undertaker might actually lose this". Undertaker has never lost at Wrestlemania, and Mark Calloway is very protective of that fact. But, with that kind of match, and it being Randy Orton who most people backstage feel is the future of the company, it's the one time you could see Undertaker be willing to lose at Wrestlemania. It'll at least give his match some form of suspense.

Taker won't lose. In fact, with an Orton loss, it will allow Orton to fade from the spotlight for a little bit, allowing the Triple H/Batista thing to play out.

Yes Hogan did alot for the company, there's no question he's the most influential wrestler ever.

Agreed!

But he's not even close to the greatest wrestler ever. He wasn't even a good wrestler. He was great for what he did, but Flyguy said that Ric Flair was not as great a wrestler as Hulk Hogan. So I corrected him that Ric Flair IS the best wrestler ever, and Hulk Hogan was a waste in the ring who had terrific marketing.

Agreed here... I had to correct FlyGuy also. He doesn't know about Flair.

And yes, wrestling is all about marketing. I don't blame John Cena for becoming more of a wuss in his promos, doing retarded things like the Chain Gang and the belt being a spinner. I don't.

The spinning belt, like the spinning rims, is great! Some stuff that the WWE does is pretty cheesy, some stuff is real good. Cena's role right now is pretty damn good!

But that doesn't mean that I can't call the WWE on it, just like I'm calling them on the way they've booked Randy Orton since he beat Benoit for the title. They should have had the jealousy angle with HHH for months before Evolution turned on Orton, instead they did it the next night. They should have had Orton seem like he had HHH's number by always beating him, instead HHH beat him at the very next PPV making Orton's title reign one month. Then they buried him in the midcard, and then came up with the concussion gimmick.

The WWE does run through angles too fast sometimes. The Batista/Triple H thing played out right. They almost got you to think Batista was crossing to Smackdown. But you knew he was going to fight Triple H.

John Cena isn't a good wrestler either besides the fact. He's a brawler. His matches work, they're entertaining and he does well with what he's got...but he's not a solid in ring wrestler. If you notice at the last PPV, Kurt Angle had to carry 9/10ths of the match with his in ring work while Cena would fight back for the odd brawling combo or the odd wrestling move, then he hit his finisher.

Cena actually is a fantastic wrestler. The Angle/Cena thing, that is exactly how they wanted it to work out. They wanted the schooled/educated Angle vs. the streets of Cena. And that is precisely what you got.

I have no doubt Cena will be a good champ, alot of fans love him. But I'm just saying in my eyes his gimmick is getting very bland and corny, and he lacks the wrestling talent to keep me interested once his gimmick grows tiring like it has now. A prime example of that case is infact Kurt Angle, he's been the same character since he debuted, and alot of his promos are the same, and it's growing tiring. But, his absolutely amazing in ring work and matches make me not care about that gimmick, because I know that ultimately when the fued's payoff takes place(PPV matches), he's going to put on a classic, because he always does.

The characters roles always gets tiring. Undertaker was thee Undertaker forever...beat everyone's ass senseless, how long was he able to do that. HE took time off, came back as the American Badass, which the people didn't care for too much, so he went back to thee Undertaker. There is only so much more they can do with him. He's beaten or beaten up everyone.

The thing that disturbs me most is, speaking of the Undertaker, why not just make him champ (and Kane for that matter at Raw) if the writers have them whooping ass all the time. Taker draws the crowd, people's interests are peaked with Kane, but they never give them the belts.

Bastards!

Word on the street is, I may get my wish... My wish for someone to kick the piss out of that Muhammad dude. From what I have been seeing, they are looking for an angle to bring back Stone Cold while he is in between movie shoots to beat his ass. I hope this rings true![/i]

[CayugaPosse]

The Cena Angle thing played out that way because it was one of the main events on the card, so it had to last long and hold a fans interest. When you're a maineventer that should be the one thing you CAN do, hold a fans interest because you can be awesome on the mic but come payoff time at the PPV if your match sucks, then it's all killed.

Going back to my original Christian argument, that's why he's a main eventer waiting to happen, he has the charisma and mic skills to absolutely build up matches, and he has the in ring skill to give you a solid payoff. So does Chris Jericho. Anyway, back on topic :

The best way for Cena and Angle to work the match not only from a logistic standpoint as you said that Angle would technically dominate John Cena, but also from a "keep the fans interested because it's not just punch punch stomp" standpoint, Angle wrestling most of the match and Cena mounting the ocassional move is the way to work.

I'm incredibly worried that at Wrestlemania, JBL(who is improving rapidly) and John Cena will not work at all...because they are both just brawlers...and 20 minutes of slow paced punch punch stomp simply doesn't work(see : Undertaker vs Reigns or Heidenreich).

[King_Killah]

The Cena Angle thing played out that way because it was one of the main events on the card, so it had to last long and hold a fans interest. When you're a maineventer that should be the one thing you CAN do, hold a fans interest because you can be awesome on the mic but come payoff time at the PPV if your match sucks, then it's all killed.

Going back to my original Christian argument, that's why he's a main eventer waiting to happen, he has the charisma and mic skills to absolutely build up matches, and he has the in ring skill to give you a solid payoff. So does Chris Jericho. Anyway, back on topic :

The best way for Cena and Angle to work the match not only from a logistic standpoint as you said that Angle would technically dominate John Cena, but also from a "keep the fans interested because it's not just punch punch stomp" standpoint, Angle wrestling most of the match and Cena mounting the ocassional move is the way to work.

I'm incredibly worried that at Wrestlemania, JBL(who is improving rapidly) and John Cena will not work at all...because they are both just brawlers...and 20 minutes of slow paced punch punch stomp simply doesn't work(see : Undertaker vs Reigns or Heidenreich).

Heidenreich is a joke! Luther is a joke!

JBL/Cena -- Don't be surprised if this match doesn't even happen. Remember that Cena still has the US title. If he is going to win the WWE belt, he has to lose the US belt.

And as for Christian... He worked well with Edge. Since he became a singles wrestler, he turned to shit. He won't ever be much, unless he gets back together with Edge or a partner on Edge's level. Christian is one step above the likes of Funaki or Kidman or those guys. His mic skills are OK. But he is nothing more than a whiny bitch.

Now talking about mic skills. No one is better than the Rock. He had/has the best mic skills. The shit he comes up with, and often times on the fly, are hysterical. The thing though with the Rock. They would usually have him get his ass beat. Building up to the next PPV. I always hated that. The Rock always talked shit, yet they make him lose. Go figure!

[FlyGuy78]

The Cena Angle thing played out that way because it was one of the main events on the card, so it had to last long and hold a fans interest. When you're a maineventer that should be the one thing you CAN do, hold a fans interest because you can be awesome on the mic but come payoff time at the PPV if your match sucks, then it's all killed.

Going back to my original Christian argument, that's why he's a main eventer waiting to happen, he has the charisma and mic skills to absolutely build up matches, and he has the in ring skill to give you a solid payoff. So does Chris Jericho. Anyway, back on topic :

The best way for Cena and Angle to work the match not only from a logistic standpoint as you said that Angle would technically dominate John Cena, but also from a "keep the fans interested because it's not just punch punch stomp" standpoint, Angle wrestling most of the match and Cena mounting the ocassional move is the way to work.

I'm incredibly worried that at Wrestlemania, JBL(who is improving rapidly) and John Cena will not work at all...because they are both just brawlers...and 20 minutes of slow paced punch punch stomp simply doesn't work(see : Undertaker vs Reigns or Heidenreich).

Heidenreich is a joke! Luther is a joke!

JBL/Cena -- Don't be surprised if this match doesn't even happen. Remember that Cena still has the US title. If he is going to win the WWE belt, he has to lose the US belt.

And as for Christian... He worked well with Edge. Since he became a singles wrestler, he turned to shit. He won't ever be much, unless he gets back together with Edge or a partner on Edge's level. Christian is one step above the likes of Funaki or Kidman or those guys. His mic skills are OK. But he is nothing more than a whiny bitch.

Now talking about mic skills. No one is better than the Rock. He had/has the best mic skills. The shit he comes up with, and often times on the fly, are hysterical. The thing though with the Rock. They would usually have him get his ass beat. Building up to the next PPV. I always hated that. The Rock always talked shit, yet they make him lose. Go figure!

remind you of someone, KK? :wink:

[King_Killah]

The Cena Angle thing played out that way because it was one of the main events on the card, so it had to last long and hold a fans interest. When you're a maineventer that should be the one thing you CAN do, hold a fans interest because you can be awesome on the mic but come payoff time at the PPV if your match sucks, then it's all killed.

Going back to my original Christian argument, that's why he's a main eventer waiting to happen, he has the charisma and mic skills to absolutely build up matches, and he has the in ring skill to give you a solid payoff. So does Chris Jericho. Anyway, back on topic :

The best way for Cena and Angle to work the match not only from a logistic standpoint as you said that Angle would technically dominate John Cena, but also from a "keep the fans interested because it's not just punch punch stomp" standpoint, Angle wrestling most of the match and Cena mounting the ocassional move is the way to work.

I'm incredibly worried that at Wrestlemania, JBL(who is improving rapidly) and John Cena will not work at all...because they are both just brawlers...and 20 minutes of slow paced punch punch stomp simply doesn't work(see : Undertaker vs Reigns or Heidenreich).

Heidenreich is a joke! Luther is a joke!

JBL/Cena -- Don't be surprised if this match doesn't even happen. Remember that Cena still has the US title. If he is going to win the WWE belt, he has to lose the US belt.

And as for Christian... He worked well with Edge. Since he became a singles wrestler, he turned to shit. He won't ever be much, unless he gets back together with Edge or a partner on Edge's level. Christian is one step above the likes of Funaki or Kidman or those guys. His mic skills are OK. But he is nothing more than a whiny bitch.

Now talking about mic skills. No one is better than the Rock. He had/has the best mic skills. The shit he comes up with, and often times on the fly, are hysterical. The thing though with the Rock. They would usually have him get his ass beat. Building up to the next PPV. I always hated that. The Rock always talked shit, yet they make him lose. Go figure!

remind you of someone, KK? :wink:

I would have to say YOU :lol: :lol:

[FlyGuy78]

DING DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!! :tongue3:

[CayugaPosse]

Dude, you're absolutely out of your mind.

Just watch Christian wrestle, or watch Christian in backstage segments.

As I've said, as seen on his apparance on OTR he's very quick on his feet, and you can tell when you watch him on WWE as well.

Whenever there is a backstage segment involving Christian I laugh. It's that simple. He literally never dissapoints in a backstage segment or in a promo. Most of it is very casually funny, like I said an example that sticks out from recently is Royal Rumble with his line to Torrie and Christy while they were spinning that wheel for him to choose from : "You girls got a real tough job, you should be proud of yourselves".

That and his rap towards John Cena was absolutely hilarious! I watched it in a movie theater and almost everyone in the theater was laughing hysterically, specifically the line "Dracula is from Translyvannia, I'm going to win the rumble and go to Wrestlemania!". It takes a real pro on the mic to pull off the comedy timing he has...Kurt Angle is the only guy I can think of that comes close to him in that department.

Anyone can make up catchprases, most of which are written for them anyway. But it takes someone really great to be able to pull off comic timing. Examples are : Steve Austin and Kurt Angle during the Invasion, when they'd sing stupid songs and wear stupid hats. Edge and Christian during their 5 second pose era of their tag team. Mick Foley pretty much all the time. The Rock pretty much all the time.

Christian also is exceptional in ring, see : Most of last year - Wrestlemania vs Chris Jericho, the re-match vs Jericho, and the Summer Slam 2nd rematch against Jericho in a Ladder Match which is likely a Match Of The Year candidate from last year.

Also see : Christian vs Rob Van Dam, also in a ladder match which is likely my favourite match ever on RAW.

I've said it many times on this thread and I'll continue to, he's a main eventer waiting to happen. He is what Shawn Michaels was when he was in the mid-card for a few years. He's not quite as good a wrestler as Shawn is granted, but he's slightly better on the mic, so it balances out pretty nicely.

There are lots of fans of the WWE whose opinions I respect, columnists for various websites, that agree with what I've said. Christian is my favourite wrestler in the WWE right now. He has been for a while, and he just keeps getting better.

I'm hoping they roster switch him to Smackdown, since RAW is pretty stacked. On Smackdown he would be a great main-eventer and a WWE champion. Him and John Cena could have a wonderful main-event feud through the summer/fall of this year.

[King_Killah]

I am not arguing Cena/Christian... That would be fun...

And Christian in ladder matches - golden!

Outside of that... He is ass! He isn't funny! Not even mildly humorous! He tries too hard.

With the line-ups the way they are, I don't see him doing anything for a long, long, long time...

That's all!

[Doctego]

Heidenrich, Luther, and Snitsky need to be put to sleep.

[boredguy]

While Rock was golden on the mic, i think Angle is actually better. While Rock is great at what he does, he can do only one thing, the Bad-ass who insults everyone. Angle cuts great promos whether he's supposed to be the pussy heel, the deluded bad guy who thinks everyone should love him, or the lovable all american face. Whichever role they give him he justs cuts great promos.
Of course i haven't followed wrestling in a couple of years, i quit watching when they made Bradshaw the top heel, that guy just bores the shit out of me. On the Raw side i just got tired of HHH, he's been on top for so long it just seems like everything with him has been done a few times before. Actually what really started to me ignoring wrestling was when they were doing the stupid redraft thing and HHH was supposed to go to Smackdown but by the next day he'd been "traded" back to Raw.

[Hockeyis#1]

add the entire cruiserweight division booker to that list...

Don't get me wrong...I love a good cruiserweight matches....the WWE doesn't have a clue it seems how to make a good cruiserweight match though....I haven't seen a good cruiserweight match since Rey Mysterio won the cruiserweight strap....isn't that sad? Whoever books these matches needs to be put to sleep

[Doctego]

but they couldn't get the job done "charisma-wise!"

ummm I have 3 words for you:

Raw Is Jericho

And Jericho is now claiming to be from New York. I do like the unprettier, though. I say make Christian a jobber until they fire that nitbag Tyson Tomko.

Isn't that what they're doing now....

Oh yeah...Eugene doing the finishers better then the actual wrestlers....u must be kidding me.....while they are funny to watch they are nowhere near that quality

Well, the Rock is a terrible wrestler and Stone Cold's knee's stopped him from doing it great. You must not like Eugene if you think that he didn't do those moves at least as good as the originals.

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

[CayugaPosse]

add the entire cruiserweight division booker to that list...

Don't get me wrong...I love a good cruiserweight matches....the WWE doesn't have a clue it seems how to make a good cruiserweight match though....I haven't seen a good cruiserweight match since Rey Mysterio won the cruiserweight strap....isn't that sad? Whoever books these matches needs to be put to sleep

Which is depressing because they had the best cruiserweight ever, Ultimo Dragon, and did jack shit with him.

Now they have someone who some day will go down as a better cruiserweight than Dragon on the roster in Paul London(if you can, there is a video of his highlight matches floating around, get it asap). But again he gets wasted, ala last PPV when they teased him winning it because again they know how much alot of the internet wrestling columnist community LOVES London, and then they give it to Chavo Guerrero whose had it several times and never done a damn thing with it.

[Doctego]

add the entire cruiserweight division booker to that list...

Don't get me wrong...I love a good cruiserweight matches....the WWE doesn't have a clue it seems how to make a good cruiserweight match though....I haven't seen a good cruiserweight match since Rey Mysterio won the cruiserweight strap....isn't that sad? Whoever books these matches needs to be put to sleep

Which is depressing because they had the best cruiserweight ever, Ultimo Dragon, and did jack shit with him.

Now they have someone who some day will go down as a better cruiserweight than Dragon on the roster in Paul London(if you can, there is a video of his highlight matches floating around, get it asap). But again he gets wasted, ala last PPV when they teased him winning it because again they know how much alot of the internet wrestling columnist community LOVES London, and then they give it to Chavo Guerrero whose had it several times and never done a damn thing with it.

When Ultimo Dragon came back, he looked like shit. His timing was way off. I was very disappointed in him.

[CayugaPosse]

He's a very old man Doc, you've gotta remember he's been at this for a LONG time now...

Shit the Asai Moonsault is named after the dude, and that's been around for ages.

He actually just turned 39 in December.

EDIT : To varify my post saying they had Dragon and wasted him, I knew he wasn't going to be much last time. But this last thing wasn't the first time they had him.

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

[King_Killah]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

[CayugaPosse]

"Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked."

Amazing! Just amazing. Gotta love JBL.

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

[King_Killah]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

F*ck that!

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

F*ck that!

I will say that the Eagles and Tangled signs were gay. Hard to see on TV. They looked like dark green signs with grey marker. Not very clear to me.

[FlyGuy78]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

F*ck that!

I will say that the Eagles and Tangled signs were gay. Hard to see on TV. They looked like dark green signs with grey marker. Not very clear to me.

The Eagles sign was the best one!! Who cares if they lost, "ATLEAST WE COVER - EAGLES +7" - hahahaha!!

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

[King_Killah]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

F*ck that!

I will say that the Eagles and Tangled signs were gay. Hard to see on TV. They looked like dark green signs with grey marker. Not very clear to me.

The Eagles sign was the best one!! Who cares if they lost, "ATLEAST WE COVER - EAGLES +7" - hahahaha!!

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

What's surprising about this whole thing, is if YOU are there!

[Doctego]

Just got home from the TV taping of Smackdown. Check it out on Thursday if you want! I was row two, right in the front! We had signs that said, I Will Slam Big Show, F*$# Foot, Atleast the Eagles Cover +7, Cena Knows Me, and TangledEmpire.com. Can't miss us!

I saw the Eagles and Big Show signs already. :P

And the Cena 1, too. Nice grey t-shirt, nitbag. :lol:

Yeah Jizz...... That was us! I'll Slam Big Show made TV a bunch of times! Incredible...

Let me fill y'all in on what was edited out!

After Big Show and Cena whooped JBL and Orlando, JBL got on the mic and was "firing" Orlando and his Chief of Staff. Then he started talking shit about Philly. Saying how the city isn't a champion, they will never have champions, blah, blah... Undertaker came out and beat the HELL out of JBL. He gave him the chokeslam and the tombstone. After the Undertaker left, JBL was laying ass flat in the ring, a ref put a mic in his hand, and he goes, "Now I really know what it feels like to be the Eagles. I just got my ass kicked." He ranted for a few more minutes, "firing" Orlando who was laughing the whole time. JBL started going up the walk-way, and was talking about Tom Brady...the cameraman got my friend and his sign that said "At least We Cover Eagles +7" on the big screens. JBL read the sign and laughed!

You like the grey t-shirt! :lol:

Nope. And you should have put your hair in a ponytail. :P

F*ck that!

I will say that the Eagles and Tangled signs were gay. Hard to see on TV. They looked like dark green signs with grey marker. Not very clear to me.

The Eagles sign was the best one!! Who cares if they lost, "ATLEAST WE COVER - EAGLES +7" - hahahaha!!

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

Nitbag.......I loved the signs. I was just pointing out that the color combinations made those 2 hard to read. :roll:

[FlyGuy78]

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

What's surprising about this whole thing, is if YOU are there![/quote]

I will be late since I have to go for a Samson run for Dicky-5. He NEEDS it - lol, and the guy won't be around after tonight for a few days. Aren't you going to the Phantoms game tonight?

[King_Killah]

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

What's surprising about this whole thing, is if YOU are there!

I will be late since I have to go for a Samson run for Dicky-5. He NEEDS it - lol, and the guy won't be around after tonight for a few days. Aren't you going to the Phantoms game tonight?[/quote]

Like I said...what's surprising about the whole thing would have been in YOU were there... Where were you??? I went to the Phantoms and to Keegan's and there was no sign of you at either!

[FlyGuy78]

And Tangled fucking rocks man. If you weren't such a fat, lazy son of a bitch you might actually come and see them play tonight at Keegan's Pub in Mt. Holly!! :lol:

What's surprising about this whole thing, is if YOU are there!

I will be late since I have to go for a Samson run for Dicky-5. He NEEDS it - lol, and the guy won't be around after tonight for a few days. Aren't you going to the Phantoms game tonight?

Like I said...what's surprising about the whole thing would have been in YOU were there... Where were you??? I went to the Phantoms and to Keegan's and there was no sign of you at either![/quote]

Man, I went on a Samson trip that should of been called a "3-hour tour". I left my house at 8pm, and didn't get home to almost 11pm. And by that time, from all the waiting, I was fucking tired as shit, smoked a fatty, and went to bed. All this for DB!!

[Hockeyis#1]

Sorry that this is late:

Holy shit KK I saw you :shock: ....that's pretty cool....nice sign

[MrScientist]

for all watching raw right now, glad to see snitsky got rid of the beard band. he looks a lot less stupid (well for him anyway)

[Hockeyis#1]

Maybe it's just me....but I find the following to be saddening:

-There's no storyline AT all concerning the #2 belt on raw: the IC...it hasn't really had a good storyline since before taboo tuesday...
-The Tag Team Titles are neglected on both shows (where the dudleyz at?)
-Add the cruiserweights and the women's title to the above

[King_Killah]

Maybe it's just me....but I find the following to be saddening:

-There's no storyline AT all concerning the #2 belt on raw: the IC...it hasn't really had a good storyline since before taboo tuesday...
-The Tag Team Titles are neglected on both shows (where the dudleyz at?)
-Add the cruiserweights and the women's title to the above

I agree the IC belt story line is weak, but there is one... Shelton has been fighting Shnitsky. Smackdown's tag titles are hardly neglected... Eddie and Rey Mysterio are defending them nightly against the Bashem Bros. Eddie is supposed to turn on Rey soon. The cruiserweight and woman's stuff... There is only so many times they can drag it out... So they'll keep it quiet for a bit, then revive it... There aren't a lot of cruiserweight stars or woman stars that can challenge for the belts!

[CayugaPosse]

Can't say I didn't warn you about Orton turning heel and fighting the Undertaker... ;)

[Doctego]

Can't say I didn't warn you about Orton turning heel and fighting the Undertaker... ;)

Yup. You read those sites very well. Thanks. :wink: :lol:

[King_Killah]

Can't say I didn't warn you about Orton turning heel and fighting the Undertaker... ;)

Just because he is fighting Taker at Wrestlemania, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be a fulltime bad guy... Although, IF Batista somehow beats Triple H for the belt, I do think Orton will go back with HHH and Flair in Evolution. However, I can't see BOTH belts changing hands. And I believe that Cena will beat JBL. We'll see!

[CayugaPosse]

Can't say I didn't warn you about Orton turning heel and fighting the Undertaker... ;)

Just because he is fighting Taker at Wrestlemania, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be a fulltime bad guy... Although, IF Batista somehow beats Triple H for the belt, I do think Orton will go back with HHH and Flair in Evolution. However, I can't see BOTH belts changing hands. And I believe that Cena will beat JBL. We'll see!

Ya, he gave Stacy Keibler the RKO because he's a good guy.

I've got news for you, if there is one Heavyweight Title that WON'T change hands at Wrestlemania, it'll be the Smackdown title.

Vince McMahon originally wanted to have JBL hold the title until SummerSlam, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet.

It'll be Cena who takes the title, but it's possible it won't happen for another few months.

[Gambit]

I watched RAW last night when Orton RKO'ed Stacy Kiebler, and I couldn't stop laughing. :lol: 8)

Great acting....I like Orton, he definitely has star power.

[Hockeyis#1]

Orton better show up at the Hall of Fame induction to nail Hogan...that would so put him over

[King_Killah]

I didn't see the RKO on Stacy. That's funny!

The reason why I say Cena wins is this... They weren't going to have Cena win because he was the US Champ. A few weeks back, they made him lose the belt to Virgil (whatever the f*ck that dude's name is), freeing him up to be able to win a belt.

It's the World Heavyweight title that is in question. Everytime you think they will have HHH, he doesn't.

[FlyGuy78]

I didn't see the RKO on Stacy. That's funny!

The reason why I say Cena wins is this... They weren't going to have Cena win because he was the US Champ. A few weeks back, they made him lose the belt to Virgil (whatever the f*ck that dude's name is), freeing him up to be able to win a belt.

It's the World Heavyweight title that is in question. Everytime you think they will have HHH, he doesn't.

that is the truth. But I still hope HHH loses to Batista. I was thinking that Batista/Orton vs. HHH/Flair would happen soon. Here's my predictions...

Batista beats HHH
JBL beats Cena
Undertaker beats Orton

[CayugaPosse]

Batista is being deemed an animal in the mold of Brock Lesnar, for the feud to work he MUST win.

Whereas Cena is just a guy who is whooping ass, but you could still accept John Cena being cheated out of the title by JBL for another month or two.

[Hobbes]

Well I haven't really watched wrestling since Wrestlemania XVIII. I have watched the odd 1/2 hour every couple of months, so I had a very general idea of what was going on... but yesterday was the first time I have sat down and watched a full RAW in a few years. I have a couple of questions...

- How did evolution break up?

- How did Edge turn heel?

- Who is most likely to win the ladder match at WrestleMania? I've always liked Jericho and Christian, so it'd be cool if either one of them won.

Oh, and that was a very boring promo by HHH yesterday. :?

[FlyGuy78]

Well I haven't really watched wrestling since Wrestlemania XVIII. I have watched the odd 1/2 hour every couple of months, so I had a very general idea of what was going on... but yesterday was the first time I have sat down and watched a full RAW in a few years. I have a couple of questions...

- How did evolution break up?

- How did Edge turn heel?

- Who is most likely to win the ladder match at WrestleMania? I've always liked Jericho and Christian, so it'd be cool if either one of them won.

Oh, and that was a very boring promo by HHH yesterday. :?

1. The Fall of Evolution started when Randy Orton won the Heavyweight Championship Belt and HHH (and the rest of Evolution) turned on him. Then when Batista won the Royal Rumble and decided to face HHH for the World Heavyweight Belt instead of going to Smackdown (as HHH told him was the smart move) and beating JBL for the WWE Belt. Then Evolution would reign supreme. But Batista overheard a conversation between HHH and the Nature Boy where HHH said it was he who tried to run over Batista in the past episode and that Batista is just a dumb animal, hence Batista vs. HHH at Wrestlemania 21. No more Evolution.

2. Edge turned heel after he kept getting jipped out of a chance for the title. He got beat in a triple threat match between him, Benoit, and HBK. So all of his anger and rage eventually just made him a mad man and turned him heel.

3. I could very well see Y2J winning the ladder match. Should be a great match.

[CayugaPosse]

Well I haven't really watched wrestling since Wrestlemania XVIII. I have watched the odd 1/2 hour every couple of months, so I had a very general idea of what was going on... but yesterday was the first time I have sat down and watched a full RAW in a few years. I have a couple of questions...

- How did evolution break up?

- How did Edge turn heel?

- Who is most likely to win the ladder match at WrestleMania? I've always liked Jericho and Christian, so it'd be cool if either one of them won.

Oh, and that was a very boring promo by HHH yesterday. :?

Although Fly pretty much summed it up :

1 - Orton won the World Title, and the WWE jumped the gun big time by making HHH turn on him the next night rather than letting it build for a long time. Realizing the huge mistake they made, they did the exact same thing again but with Batista, and eventually Batista won the Rumble and decided he's wrestling HHH and Wrestlemania.

2 - Edge turned heel around the time the WWE held their first ever fan vote in PPV, where fans voted for every match they wanted to see. The main event was HHH against an opponent decided by the fans. That lead to different stars explaining why they deserve the shot, and Edge in basically a shoot-type sequence of interviews said he's never had a title shot and deserves one. Michaels of course won fan voting, and Edge snapped costing him the title. Ever since then it's been a "world out to get me" kind of angle for Edge.

3 - God I would likely mark out like a 10 year old girl at an N-Sync concert if Christian won that ladder match.

However, I have a feeling Chris Jericho will as well. He's been floating around in relative obscurity for long enough, I think it's time the WWE put him back in the main event scene.

Christian winning would guarantee me Christian as a main eventer, and I would absolutely love that, but I think of anyone in the match he's the least likely.

That being said, Christian is the unquestioned ruler of ladder matches, and will carry a boatload of the match on his back along with Shelton Benjamin who should be an absolute joy to watch in that type of match. And then, as par usual, Christian will yet again get buried down in the midcard providing show-stealing matches and hilarious promos whenever he's called upon.

[Doctego]

Can't say I didn't warn you about Orton turning heel and fighting the Undertaker... ;)

Just because he is fighting Taker at Wrestlemania, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be a fulltime bad guy... Although, IF Batista somehow beats Triple H for the belt, I do think Orton will go back with HHH and Flair in Evolution. However, I can't see BOTH belts changing hands. And I believe that Cena will beat JBL. We'll see!

I'm with Cayuga NOW. It was weird as he seemed to be on the fence. A little good. A little bad. The RKO to Stacy cleared up any doubt.

[Gambit]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

[Doctego]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

[CayugaPosse]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

[FlyGuy78]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

See, the show would be so much better if they let fans like us do the writing. That would be funny as shit Caygua!! :lol:

[Doctego]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

See, the show would be so much better if they let fans like us do the writing. That would be funny as shit Caygua!! :lol:

Seeing as I have seen that mentioned on some WWE sites, it's not like it's only his thought.

[Hobbes]

Thanks Fly and Cayuga for answering my questions.

As for Goldberg, he was an asshole. I did watch parts of some of the shows when he came into the WWE, and the only good thing I remember that came out of that was the return of the man, the myth...

GILLBERG!

Haha, I don't think he stuck around but I remember watching the show where the Rock brought him out. :lol:

[CayugaPosse]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

See, the show would be so much better if they let fans like us do the writing. That would be funny as shit Caygua!! :lol:

Seeing as I have seen that mentioned on some WWE sites, it's not like it's only his thought.

I didn't actually read it on WWE sites, but it's really one of only two logical ways to involve Hassan in Wrestlemania.

The IDEAL way to include him in Wrestlemania from the WWE's perspective would be have him challenge Hulk Hogan to a match as Hulk is brought out at Wrestlemania during the little segment they have for the HOF inductees.

But he can't do that and then lose to Hulk because it would essentially kill his character which is working quite well right now.

And if Hulk Hogan wouldn't lose the World Title to Bret Hart because he didn't think Bret was "in his league", despite Bret being 800x the wrestler Hulk Hogan ever was, there is no way Hulk Hogan would job at Wrestlemania to Hassan.

So that's dead, they need Hassan doing something, the logical recourse is the afforementioned Pipers Pit interruption. That works because he can get his asskicked all he wants, he just can't lose in a 1on1 wrestling match.

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Goldberg was NEVER going to the WWE. When Vince bought the WCW from Ted Turner, Goldberg was under contract. There was a legal battle, claiming that Vince McMahon rightfully owned Goldberg, that is why there was a short appearance of Goldberg. Otherwise, he would have went to that TNA/NWA bullshit where Sting, Raven, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, etc. went or completely faded away from wrestling.

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

This is probably accurate, although some sources are saying that Stone Cold may turn on Piper and give him a Stunner in the Pit. Stone Cold will probably be back in action. The only reason he took time off is because he is filming three films that are being made under WWE Films. The first one he is a wrestler and he wrestles in it. His neck hasn't been an issue for some time.

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

See, the show would be so much better if they let fans like us do the writing. That would be funny as shit Caygua!! :lol:

FlyGuy -- that is probably going to happen. It was either going to be Austin or possibly Hogan at the Hall of Fame inductions. Being that Hogan is the "Real American."

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Sting never wanted to work for the WWE, despite their offers.

Goldberg was doomed from the start, he's an egomaniac and was never talented. The only reason he ever got big was WCW wouldn't let him get hurt on their TV show. When he came to WWE where he was expected to get hurt and maybe even lose, he was doomed.

Austin cannot wrestle, his neck is in too bad a shape to do so. I have a strong feeling at Wrestlemania you'll see his Pipers Pit segment interrupted by Hassan and Daivairi, at which time Austin and Piper will kick the ever loving shit out of both of them, and then drink beer together to end the segment.

That's how I would book it anyway...

See, the show would be so much better if they let fans like us do the writing. That would be funny as shit Caygua!! :lol:

Seeing as I have seen that mentioned on some WWE sites, it's not like it's only his thought.

I didn't actually read it on WWE sites, but it's really one of only two logical ways to involve Hassan in Wrestlemania.

The IDEAL way to include him in Wrestlemania from the WWE's perspective would be have him challenge Hulk Hogan to a match as Hulk is brought out at Wrestlemania during the little segment they have for the HOF inductees.

But he can't do that and then lose to Hulk because it would essentially kill his character which is working quite well right now.

And if Hulk Hogan wouldn't lose the World Title to Bret Hart because he didn't think Bret was "in his league", despite Bret being 800x the wrestler Hulk Hogan ever was, there is no way Hulk Hogan would job at Wrestlemania to Hassan.

So that's dead, they need Hassan doing something, the logical recourse is the afforementioned Pipers Pit interruption. That works because he can get his asskicked all he wants, he just can't lose in a 1on1 wrestling match.

You went a little light on the number!!!

[Doctego]

I forget who it was to but I remember that WWE asked Rock and Hogan to come back and job for someone. Forget who to. :?

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Sting has problems with Vince McMahon. Sting will never work for the WWE as long as Vince McMahon owns it. It goes back to the beginning of the Ultimate Warrior. Sting and UW used to be a tag team called the Blade Runners in old school, World Class Championship Wrestling, the UWF (Universal Wrestling Federation), and a few indy circuits. Sting was the better athlete, better performer, better "wrestler" than the Ultimate Warrior. Vince made an offer to UW and not Sting. UW took the money and ran, killed that tag team which of course turned Sting into what he became. Not too sure if anyone noticed, but when the NWA/WCW made Sting champ, Vince made Warrior champ. There were various words back and forth between Vince and Sting for years. Sting is now working for the TNA/NWA.

[Hobbes]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Goldberg was NEVER going to the WWE. When Vince bought the WCW from Ted Turner, Goldberg was under contract. There was a legal battle, claiming that Vince McMahon rightfully owned Goldberg, that is why there was a short appearance of Goldberg. Otherwise, he would have went to that TNA/NWA bullshit where Sting, Raven, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, etc. went or completely faded away from wrestling.

No...I am pretty sure he signed a one year contract by choice. A lot of the contracts from WCW didn't really carry over. That's why the invasion angle wasn't succesful - none of WCW's big stars were involved. From what I remember, the only real stars from WCW that participated in the angle were DDP and Booker T, and they booked both horribly.

The invasion angle really did flop, and was one of the things that turned me off of wrestling...I found it boring.

I did follow wrestling I guess for a few months after that, but I never really did continue watching it until this week.

Also, I am pretty sure it was Austin's neck that did stop him from wrestling.

[Hockeyis#1]

I think it's funny that some of the best guys around today that I'm begginning to favor, are young and new faces.....

Cena, Orton, Benjamin

Cena is great on the mic and can really get the crowd going which is absolutley what WWE needs today, he has some developing to do, but he definitely is going to be part of the future

Orton is the same, great in the ring but has been kinda jyped on his booking and storylines....He's got charisma and is a great athlete....big future for him too

Benjamin may be one of the most underrated on RAW along with Christian, he's got incredible ring skills and continues to impress me with his matches week after week....now, if they could only get him into a worthwhile storyline....like one with more then "you have the belt, and I am a challenger"

[CayugaPosse]

I forget who it was to but I remember that WWE asked Rock and Hogan to come back and job for someone. Forget who to. :?

Most unfortunately, The Rock was to come back about a month or so in advance of Wrestlemania and start a feud with my favourite wreslter, Christian. The feud would have been comedy gold, I can't even fathom how good some of those promos would have been.

And at the end of it all they're both great wrestlers and would have put on a great match as payoff. And yes, Christian was supposed to win since The Rock isn't even with the company any more.

They couldn't work out a contract with Rock, since his contract has expired, and so they had to scrap that idea.

Hogan is already coming back, but I severely doubt he would ever job for anyone, his ego is way too big. I'm not sure where you heard he was going to come back and job to someone but I doubt Vince would even ask him since it seems like such a lost cause. The only type of people I could ever see him jobbing to are maybe a Kurt Angle type wrestlers. And there is no way the WWE was wasting Kurt Angle's immense wrestling talents on a match with Hogan, when they are better suited in what should be a wrestling classic against Shawn Michaels.

Of course that whole Christian story kind of gives me hope that they'd put him over in the Ladder Match, because there were plans to give him a big post-Wrestlemania push anyway, and him winning that match would do that. But I doubt it.

[King_Killah]

Whatever happened with Bill Goldberg in the WWE?

and did Stone Cold retire?

where is Sting?

Goldberg's contract expired and they never renewed it. He never stepped it up there. The worst match that I ever saw was between him and Brock Lesnar. :roll: Stone Cold had some gayness but he is coming back for Wrestlemania to do Piper's Pit, which is also coming back for now. Last I heard, SC can't really wrestly because of his health but he might fuck some people up. Sting is working in San Francisco on street corners.

Goldberg was NEVER going to the WWE. When Vince bought the WCW from Ted Turner, Goldberg was under contract. There was a legal battle, claiming that Vince McMahon rightfully owned Goldberg, that is why there was a short appearance of Goldberg. Otherwise, he would have went to that TNA/NWA bullshit where Sting, Raven, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, etc. went or completely faded away from wrestling.

No...I am pretty sure he signed a one year contract by choice. A lot of the contracts from WCW didn't really carry over. That's why the invasion angle wasn't succesful - none of WCW's big stars were involved. From what I remember, the only real stars from WCW that participated in the angle were DDP and Booker T, and they booked both horribly.

The invasion angle really did flop, and was one of the things that turned me off of wrestling...I found it boring.

I did follow wrestling I guess for a few months after that, but I never really did continue watching it until this week.

Also, I am pretty sure it was Austin's neck that did stop him from wrestling.

Nope, Hobbes... Goldberg was not 100% with the WWE. In fact he didn't even hang on for a year. He had a few matches and bolted.

Austin's neck was an issue a few years back. When they did that skit with him being run over by a car. He is fully cleared by medical to wrestle. His neck has not been much of an issue lately. In fact, his knees are more of a problem then his neck.

[CayugaPosse]

KK I don't know where you are getting this information from but it's false. He still wants to wrestle, and if his neck were in enough shape to do so he would be. His neck is absolutely unable to support itself long enough to wrestle.

They asked him a while back if he would like to try another Wrestlemania match vs Shawn Michaels, and he declined saying there was no way his neck could handle a full blown match or a return to the ring.

Handing out a random stunner and punches and mudhole stomping? Yes.

But he can't wrestle.

[FlyGuy78]

Cayuga, Christian sucks ass!! His character is old, his talk is butt, and he has a retard for a bodyguard. How the hell can you like him! :roll: He won't win the ladder match and he doesn't deserve a belt.

[Doctego]

Cayuga, Christian sucks ass!! His character is old, his talk is butt, and he has a retard for a bodyguard. How the hell can you like him! :roll: He won't win the ladder match and he doesn't deserve a belt.

Agreed. Tomko is such a fucking nitbag. :roll:

[FlyGuy78]

Cayuga, Christian sucks ass!! His character is old, his talk is butt, and he has a retard for a bodyguard. How the hell can you like him! :roll: He won't win the ladder match and he doesn't deserve a belt.

Agreed. Tomko is such a fucking nitbag. :roll:

Agreed. I will give Christian his props for being a better wrestler than Tomko, but he is on the same level of retardness as Tomko. Christian seriously needs to think about giving up on wrestling, because it has pretty much given up on him!!

[Doctego]

Cayuga, Christian sucks ass!! His character is old, his talk is butt, and he has a retard for a bodyguard. How the hell can you like him! :roll: He won't win the ladder match and he doesn't deserve a belt.

Agreed. Tomko is such a fucking nitbag. :roll:

Agreed. I will give Christian his props for being a better wrestler than Tomko, but he is on the same level of retardness as Tomko. Christian seriously needs to think about giving up on wrestling, because it has pretty much given up on him!!

I actually think that Christian is both a retard but somewhat funny on the mic. Unfortunately, being good on the mic is something not many can do.

[CayugaPosse]

Please note my restraint by not just flat out swearing.

Christian is a high above average worker who very rarely gets an opportunity to showcase that.

Last year he was in 2 of the better matches of last year. Wrestlemania vs Chris Jericho, and Survivor Series vs Shelton Benjamin.

His mic skills are well above average with his sense of humour, he's like The Rock was years ago before he ever got real attention, he was always good on the mic but never in a role where people actually noticed.

He reminds me so severely of someone like Shawn Michaels, Michaels was a tag-team expert, who had high talent both in ring and on the mic. He went solo and wandered in obscurity of midcard and IC title reigns for years and years before the WWE finally noticed and gave him his big push.

I pray they do it with Christian since shows could be based around his exceptional talent and charisma, but they haven't yet.

Watch Wrestlemania if you don't beleive me, he's been a phenom in Ladder Matches especially over the past few years, the TLC matches, his absolute classic Ladder Match vs Rob Van Dam on RAW...he never, ever dissapoints. His matches and his promos are always solid, frequently amazing.

[Doctego]

Cayuga=Homer.

[FlyGuy78]

CayugaPosse wrote:
Please note my restraint by not just flat out swearing.

Let me start by saying I am trying to hold in a LOT of laughter while typing this! :lol:

Christian is a high above average worker who very rarely gets an opportunity to showcase that.

Uhmm, no he isnt and thank the Lord he doesn't get to showcase it.

Last year he was in 2 of the better matches of last year. Wrestlemania vs Chris Jericho, and Survivor Series vs Shelton Benjamin.

NOT EVEN CLOSE!! BEST match of last year was Cactus Jack vs. Randy Orton (when Orton got slammed into the tacks) and the 2nd BEST match was HBK vs. HHH vs. Benoit at Wrestlemania (with the same match at Backlash #3).

His mic skills are well above average with his sense of humour, he's like The Rock was years ago before he ever got real attention, he was always good on the mic but never in a role where people actually noticed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....Please, and I mean PLEASE don't compare anyone's mic skills especially Christians' to The Rocks'!! He is by far better than anyone in the business when it comes to talk and Christian doesn't even know what he is saying half the time. I mean WTF was up with that rap to Cena. That was the gayest thing I have ever heard. :roll:

He reminds me so severely of someone like Shawn Michaels, Michaels was a tag-team expert, who had high talent both in ring and on the mic. He went solo and wandered in obscurity of midcard and IC title reigns for years and years before the WWE finally noticed and gave him his big push.

Now stop. I can't laugh anymore. You're comparing Christian to HBK Shawn Michaels. Why not just compare Shelton Benjamin to Bret Hart!! :lol:

I pray they do it with Christian since shows could be based around his exceptional talent and charisma, but they haven't yet.

CAPTAIN CHARISMA!!! How gay!! :roll:

Watch Wrestlemania if you don't beleive me, he's been a phenom in Ladder Matches especially over the past few years, the TLC matches, his absolute classic Ladder Match vs Rob Van Dam on RAW...he never, ever dissapoints. His matches and his promos are always solid, frequently amazing.

OK, I will give you that. He is good in ladder matches. But he still won't win at Wrestlemania. :wink:

[CayugaPosse]

Do you even realize that the entire Royal Rumble segment with Christian and John Cena was completely carried by Christian?

Big time points for "Dracula is from transylvania, I'm going to win the rumble and main event wrestlemania", probably one of the most hysterical lines in all of wrestling.

I can't beleive you would say "what was with that rap".

Smart guy, what's with Peter on family guy being so stupid? What's with those Three Stooges being so stupid? It's fucking comedy, it was meant to be stupid and terrible because that's where comedy is born.

If he did a good rap the segment would have been stupid. As it was, it was hysterical because Christian was over the top bad, acting proud of himself like he had done something good, and then buried by Cena.

The same thing worked on Smackdown when Angle did it, except Angle didn't pull off the "bad rap" as well as Christian.

You honestly think Christian was trying to rap legitimitely well during that segment? If you do you are stupid way beyond the wording of it.

[MrScientist]

Moving totally away from what you guys are talking about:

Is Kane gonna hold a title anytime soon? Or keep feuding with random people? He's been my favorite wrestler since I started watching, which was pre-mask removal

[Doctego]

Moving totally away from what you guys are talking about:

Is Kane gonna hold a title anytime soon? Or keep feuding with random people? He's been my favorite wrestler since I started watching, which was pre-mask removal

No. They pump him up a bit and then drop him down. I loved him with the mask.

Cayuga.......Christian is O.K. in the ring and very good on the mic but those matches that you mentioned were against great athletes. There are 2 guys in the ring, remember. :wink:

[King_Killah]

KK I don't know where you are getting this information from but it's false. He still wants to wrestle, and if his neck were in enough shape to do so he would be. His neck is absolutely unable to support itself long enough to wrestle.

They asked him a while back if he would like to try another Wrestlemania match vs Shawn Michaels, and he declined saying there was no way his neck could handle a full blown match or a return to the ring.

Handing out a random stunner and punches and mudhole stomping? Yes.

But he can't wrestle.

Cayuga...once again dude...WRONG! Neck, old issue...past tense... Knees worse off then neck at this point... He's doing movies. He'll do random spots on various RAWs and PPVs in the time being. Movie one, Stone Cold is a wrestler, who WRESTLES in the movie.

Next!

[CayugaPosse]

Yes, but name me a person on RAW in the main event scene that ISN'T a great wrestler that could not only put on great matches with Christian who himself is very sound all around, but it would be fresh since most of them haven't wrestled him(outside of Edge).

By the way, all of what I'm saying applies to Shelton Benjamin as well, a fantastic wrestler, but the one difference is Shelton lacks in mic skills.

If Shelton were given a run in the main event he could also succeed(see : last year's feud with Triple H).

RAW has so much talent on it's roster compared to Smackdown's two truly great wrestlers(Angle and Guerrero).

I kinda hope after Wrestlemania when they shuffle rosters again, they move some of the RAW talent(Christian, Chris Jericho, Edge, Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels) who could and deserve to be main eventing, but thanks to them all being on one show which also happens to be RAW where Triple H hogs so much TV time on the show it makes me puke sometimes(see : 30 minute promo on RAW).

On Smackdown any of those wrestlers I listed could be main event stars, and would freshen the shithole of a promotion up whose match contributions to Wrestlemania include a fucking sumo match and Mark Jindrak vs Luther Reigns probably since they started setting that up.

[King_Killah]

Moving totally away from what you guys are talking about:

Is Kane gonna hold a title anytime soon? Or keep feuding with random people? He's been my favorite wrestler since I started watching, which was pre-mask removal

For some reason NO... They always have Kane in spots where he is this invincible machine, but then noting comes of it. I actually heard word yesterday that HE may actually win this ladder match at Wrestlemania. I hope so.

[CayugaPosse]

I can't see a reason for Kane to win the match merely because Wrestlemania will see Batista win the title, and they literally just did Kane vs Batista on RAW...

I think the winner will be either Chris Jericho or Edge.

[King_Killah]

Cayuga -- Christian is OK to slightly above OK. He is good on the mic. Compared to the Rock is being absurd. Ladder matches. When he was in those ladder matches, remember it was the Hardys vs. Edge and Christian in most of them. It was the Hardys that rocked those matches. The one vs. Shawn Michaels, it was Shawn Michaels who rocked that match. Christian doesn't do enough to "sell" his moves or the moves done to him. He is too cartoon-like.

FlyGuy -- I would compare Shelton to Bret Hart. Both are phenomenal wrestlers. The key word here being wrestlers. And if you are going to mock Cayuga, please use proper punctuation! :D The Orton/Foley match is not in the top two, sorry...

[FlyGuy78]

Cayuga -- Christian is OK to slightly above OK. He is good on the mic. Compared to the Rock is being absurd. Ladder matches. When he was in those ladder matches, remember it was the Hardys vs. Edge and Christian in most of them. It was the Hardys that rocked those matches. The one vs. Shawn Michaels, it was Shawn Michaels who rocked that match. Christian doesn't do enough to "sell" his moves or the moves done to him. He is too cartoon-like.

FlyGuy -- I would compare Shelton to Bret Hart. Both are phenomenal wrestlers. The key word here being wrestlers. And if you are going to mock Cayuga, please use proper punctuation! :D The Orton/Foley match is not in the top two, sorry...

It was the last TRUE Hardcore match you will see with the best of hardcore all-time and the Legend Killer. I thought it was one of the best. Definitely better than any Christian match.

And Cayuga, being stupid doesn't make you funny, or Gambit would be the funniest MF'er in the world (j/k Gam - :lol: ). Christian is retarted. Not good on the mic. Just plain stupid. The Rock said shit in his sleep that was funnier than anything Christian had to say. And that line from the rap - "Dracula is from transylvania, I'm going to win the rumble and main event wrestlemania" - NOT the funniest thing I have ever heard or even close.

[CayugaPosse]

Cayuga -- Christian is OK to slightly above OK. He is good on the mic. Compared to the Rock is being absurd. Ladder matches. When he was in those ladder matches, remember it was the Hardys vs. Edge and Christian in most of them. It was the Hardys that rocked those matches. The one vs. Shawn Michaels, it was Shawn Michaels who rocked that match. Christian doesn't do enough to "sell" his moves or the moves done to him. He is too cartoon-like.

FlyGuy -- I would compare Shelton to Bret Hart. Both are phenomenal wrestlers. The key word here being wrestlers. And if you are going to mock Cayuga, please use proper punctuation! :D The Orton/Foley match is not in the top two, sorry...

It was the last TRUE Hardcore match you will see with the best of hardcore all-time and the Legend Killer. I thought it was one of the best. Definitely better than any Christian match.

And Cayuga, being stupid doesn't make you funny, or Gambit would be the funniest MF'er in the world (j/k Gam - :lol: ). Christian is retarted. Not good on the mic. Just plain stupid. The Rock said shit in his sleep that was funnier than anything Christian had to say. And that line from the rap - "Dracula is from transylvania, I'm going to win the rumble and main event wrestlemania" - NOT the funniest thing I have ever heard or even close.

*Ahem*

ECW Reunion show June 12th. So it was NOT the last "TRUE" Hardcore match we'll see.

Sabu's coming back :)

As are Raven, Dreamer, Dudley Boys, Jerry Lynn, Justin Credible, Shane Douglas and The Sandman.

I'm willing to put money on that containing some "hardcore", since Sabu kicks epic ass.

[FlyGuy78]

Cayuga -- Christian is OK to slightly above OK. He is good on the mic. Compared to the Rock is being absurd. Ladder matches. When he was in those ladder matches, remember it was the Hardys vs. Edge and Christian in most of them. It was the Hardys that rocked those matches. The one vs. Shawn Michaels, it was Shawn Michaels who rocked that match. Christian doesn't do enough to "sell" his moves or the moves done to him. He is too cartoon-like.

FlyGuy -- I would compare Shelton to Bret Hart. Both are phenomenal wrestlers. The key word here being wrestlers. And if you are going to mock Cayuga, please use proper punctuation! :D The Orton/Foley match is not in the top two, sorry...

It was the last TRUE Hardcore match you will see with the best of hardcore all-time and the Legend Killer. I thought it was one of the best. Definitely better than any Christian match.

And Cayuga, being stupid doesn't make you funny, or Gambit would be the funniest MF'er in the world (j/k Gam - :lol: ). Christian is retarted. Not good on the mic. Just plain stupid. The Rock said shit in his sleep that was funnier than anything Christian had to say. And that line from the rap - "Dracula is from transylvania, I'm going to win the rumble and main event wrestlemania" - NOT the funniest thing I have ever heard or even close.

*Ahem*

ECW Reunion show June 12th. So it was NOT the last "TRUE" Hardcore match we'll see.

Sabu's coming back :)

As are Raven, Dreamer, Dudley Boys, Jerry Lynn, Justin Credible, Shane Douglas and The Sandman.

I'm willing to put money on that containing some "hardcore", since Sabu kicks epic ass.

But you won't see any of that in the WWE. Vince has given up on the Hardcore matches. That is why he got rid of the Hardcore Championship Belt.

[Hobbes]

It was because the hardcore belt was worthless.

[Doctego]

It was because the hardcore belt was worthless.

Is that the stupid belt where you could win it at any time as long as you had a ref with you?? :lol:

[CayugaPosse]

The Hardcore Belt was fine until they did the aforementioned Crash Holly angle and gave it to everyone under the sun. Girls, referees, Patterson and Brisco all won it. It became stupid.

For the record, that ECW reunion is being broadcast on PPV and organized by the WWE(obviously since the WWE owns ECW) fo technically we will see it on WWE TV. And I would fully expect some of the wrestlers to show up on WWE TV to promote the PPV in the weeks leading up to it.

[Doctego]

I wish that RVD would have been able to compete.

[King_Killah]

I can't see a reason for Kane to win the match merely because Wrestlemania will see Batista win the title, and they literally just did Kane vs Batista on RAW...

I think the winner will be either Chris Jericho or Edge.

First things, first....

The title shot that Kane would go for could take place anytime during one calendar year from Wrestlemania. He could end up fighting, Joe Blow for the belt if it actually came down to it...

Second, they just had a Kane/Batista match....yeah and your point? How many times have you seen Orton fight Triple H or Michaels fight La Resistance?? Two weeks in a row on the latter...

Third, I will be completely surprised if Batista actually wins the belt at Wrestlemania... It's too obvious, it's to given. Not gonna happen. The only belt changing hands that night is Cena beats JBL.

[King_Killah]

Cayuga -- Christian is OK to slightly above OK. He is good on the mic. Compared to the Rock is being absurd. Ladder matches. When he was in those ladder matches, remember it was the Hardys vs. Edge and Christian in most of them. It was the Hardys that rocked those matches. The one vs. Shawn Michaels, it was Shawn Michaels who rocked that match. Christian doesn't do enough to "sell" his moves or the moves done to him. He is too cartoon-like.

FlyGuy -- I would compare Shelton to Bret Hart. Both are phenomenal wrestlers. The key word here being wrestlers. And if you are going to mock Cayuga, please use proper punctuation! :D The Orton/Foley match is not in the top two, sorry...

It was the last TRUE Hardcore match you will see with the best of hardcore all-time and the Legend Killer. I thought it was one of the best. Definitely better than any Christian match.

And Cayuga, being stupid doesn't make you funny, or Gambit would be the funniest MF'er in the world (j/k Gam - :lol: ). Christian is retarted. Not good on the mic. Just plain stupid. The Rock said shit in his sleep that was funnier than anything Christian had to say. And that line from the rap - "Dracula is from transylvania, I'm going to win the rumble and main event wrestlemania" - NOT the funniest thing I have ever heard or even close.

Fly... Seriously, Christian is one of the better mic guys right now. As much as I hate him and think he's worth a piece of shit, I'll give him credit when he deserves it... I don't think his ring skills are that great. I think he is too cartoon-like when it comes to "selling" moves.

[Hobbes]

Holy shit, the Kurt Angle segment on Smackdown was awesome. That was hilarious.

[FlyGuy78]

Holy shit, the Kurt Angle segment on Smackdown was awesome. That was hilarious.

Why all of a sudden though in the last two shows did a wrestler attack a women. First you had Orton RKO'ing the goddess herself Stacy Keibler, and then last night Angle goes and gives Scary Sherry the Angle Lock. I thought the debate between Cena and JBL was funny as shit. Now those guys have good mic skills Cayuga!! Christian should watch and learn. :lol:

[King_Killah]

Holy shit, the Kurt Angle segment on Smackdown was awesome. That was hilarious.

Why all of a sudden though in the last two shows did a wrestler attack a women. First you had Orton RKO'ing the goddess herself Stacy Keibler, and then last night Angle goes and gives Scary Sherry the Angle Lock. I thought the debate between Cena and JBL was funny as shit. Now those guys have good mic skills Cayuga!! Christian should watch and learn. :lol:

FlyGuy -- shut up about Christian already! Damn!

Oh and Scary Sherri, a girl :cry: ... She was manly back in the day, I didn't see it, but I am sure she is still manly now!

[CayugaPosse]

JBL and Cena do have mic skills, I'm not disputing that.

[Farmerbob42]

how did this to be 11 pages... ?

[Doctego]

how did this to be 11 pages... ?

Because nitbags like you keep bumping it up. :roll:

[King_Killah]

The funny thing about it is, way back when I first got here, I posted a question about wrestling, and I think it was Beanz that said no one here is much into it... 11 pages later on this thread! :lol: :lol:

[Gambit]

how did this to be 11 pages... ?

talk about nitpicking.

[spoonie luv]

who else is watching wrestlemania XXI this weekend. i dont follow it as much as i used to. i never watch smackdown but tune into RAW occasionally but wrestlemania is the superbowl of wrestling so it's a must see. bunch of us are getting together and splitting the cost for it. there's some good matches on the card but i'm mostly looking forward to piper's pit with austin and seeing hogan as part of the hall of fame induction.

[Doctego]

who else is watching wrestlemania XXI this weekend. i dont follow it as much as i used to. i never watch smackdown but tune into RAW occasionally but wrestlemania is the superbowl of wrestling so it's a must see. bunch of us are getting together and splitting the cost for it. there's some good matches on the card but i'm mostly looking forward to piper's pit with austin and seeing hogan as part of the hall of fame induction.

I would have figured it out but I thought that it was next week. :oops: I'll be watching, though. :wink:

[FlyGuy78]

KK and I will be watching also. We are buying it at my house and watching it on the 51" Widescreen!!! :lol:

Austin WILL stun Piper!! 8)

[spoonie luv]

hassan and davairi will interrupt pipers pit and also get a stunner. then piper will try to celebrate with austin and receive a thank you stunner. personally i'd rather see hassan do something with hogan. after all with his theme song being i'm a real american and hulkamania..would create some big heat for hassan.

[Isles_Are_Teh_Best]

KK and I will be watching also. We are buying it at my house and watching it on the 51" Widescreen!!! :lol:

Austin WILL stun Piper!! 8)

Lol, kinda obvious.

Let's see this is whats gonna happen. Piper will get on with his pit and such taking shots at austin and vice versa, and when things are about to get hot, Muhammed will come out. He'll start talking all his shit, probably about America's talk shows or entertainment or something like that. Then Austin will make fun of the both of them, stun Muhammed, destroy divari, have a beer with piper, then stun him.

[Doctego]

KK and I will be watching also. We are buying it at my house and watching it on the 51" Widescreen!!! :lol:

Austin WILL stun Piper!! 8)

LOL. I can't remember the last time that I paid for a PPV. :D

[King_Killah]

KK and I will be watching also. We are buying it at my house and watching it on the 51" Widescreen!!! :lol:

Austin WILL stun Piper!! 8)

LOL. I can't remember the last time that I paid for a PPV. :D

Hahaha...... And as soon as you get in at Comcast, we won't pay for a PPV either, right :lol:

[King_Killah]

Oh and for the record, I don't think Austin "stuns" Piper! Hassan and Duvari, yes...

[Doctego]

KK and I will be watching also. We are buying it at my house and watching it on the 51" Widescreen!!! :lol:

Austin WILL stun Piper!! 8)

LOL. I can't remember the last time that I paid for a PPV. :D

Hahaha...... And as soon as you get in at Comcast, we won't pay for a PPV either, right :lol:

Unfortunately, that's not true. :roll: I live in a Cablevision area and they used to have a reciprocal thing between the 2 companies but no more. :x If I ever move to a Comcast area, I get free digital and internet, though. :D

[Isles_Are_Teh_Best]

Unfortunately, that's not true. :roll: I live in a Cablevision area and they used to have a reciprocal thing between the 2 companies but no more. :x If I ever move to a Comcast area, I get free digital and internet, though. :D

Isn't Cablevision a bitch? Dolans wont even give the Jets a fucking stadium. They act like they care for the city, meanwhile they're too busy caring for freaking MSG. They suck. But hey, what can I say? They own a crappy hockey team!

[King_Killah]

Predictions for Wrestlemania XXI???

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio

Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match

Big Show vs. Akebono

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

JBL vs. John Cena

Triple H vs. Batista

Will Austin "stun" Piper?

Will Hassan and Duvari get involved?

Will any of the Hall of Fame inductees be involved in any matches?

I would gladly post my picks but we are having a wrestlemania pool and I can't have FlyGuy stealing my picks! It's $10 to play, each match is worth X-amount of points. Person who has the most points at the end wins the pot.

[Doctego]

My only prediction is that if HHH wins his title match, the remote is going through the TV. :roll:

[King_Killah]

My only prediction is that if HHH wins his title match, the remote is going through the TV. :roll:

Be prepared to buy yourself a new TV!

[Doctego]

My only prediction is that if HHH wins his title match, the remote is going through the TV. :roll:

Be prepared to buy yourself a new TV!

I know. Why can't he get divorced so that someone else can win the belt?? :x

[Hobbes]

I think the event started earlier, but I didn't order it and I have not seen the results, so here are my predictions without knowing what has gone on.

Predictions for Wrestlemania XXI???

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio - Eddie

Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title - Trish

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match - Edge

Big Show vs. Akebono - If it's fake, Big Show. If it's real, Akebono.

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle - Kurt Angle

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton - Undertaker

JBL vs. John Cena - Cena

Triple H vs. Batista - HHH

Will Austin "stun" Piper? - Yes

Will Hassan and Duvari get involved? - Yes

Will any of the Hall of Fame inductees be involved in any matches? - No

I would gladly post my picks but we are having a wrestlemania pool and I can't have FlyGuy stealing my picks! It's $10 to play, each match is worth X-amount of points. Person who has the most points at the end wins the pot.

[King_Killah]

Way to go Hobbes, if you didn't see it, you done well!

I took Rey Mysterio over Eddie Guerrero. The match was alright... Was a little long, but not bad.

The ladder match, I had Kane. Edge won. This match was awesome. A lot of shit went on there. For a brief second I thought Shelton was gonna win it, but thankfully didn't. Cayuga, Christian's performance was ass. How gay was it when Tomko tried to lift him up the ladder on his shoulders. Benoit really got hurt. The part where Kane smashed his arm in the ladder wasn't much, but later Benoit and Christian were on the ladder and they bouth fell off, Benoit landed funny. He seriously got hurt, although he still fought. Don't be surprised if Benoit is out of action for a little while.

Women's title... I had Trish. No way was Christy Hemme gonna win. She can't fight, or wrestle... Trish all the way... That match was pretty gay though... Great outfit on Christy. Sidebar question here... Did Trish get work done on her nose??? She looks even hotter than she did before. I remember when she supposedly broke her nose, did they play a nose job in as an angle??? Either that, or whoever does her make-up does a fantastic job.

Legend vs. Legend Killer. I had Undertaker. No way was Orton gonna win. That was evident as the match went on. Everything that Orton tried, he couldn't keep Taker down. Taker's intro was cool. Good ol' Cowboy Bob tried to interfere. I knew that wasn't gonna be much. F* Orton!

HASSAN & DUVARI...didn't get involved in the Piper's Pit as it seemed was the majority concensus, instead they beat up Eugene... In that case, I had to applaud them, ugh... Until HULK HOGAN came out and beat ass!!!

Raw vs. Smackdown, Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle was probably the best match I have seen in a long time. The Taker/Orton match was decent, but this one took the cake. I had Michaels, but Angle had that ankle lock cinched in for a good amount of time, that last time around. Is this the end for Shawn Michaels? If you noticed, there were a bunch of signs in the crowd saying, "Thank You" and it seemed as if on Michaels way out he was gesturing as if it were his last match. Both put on a phenomenal show.

Piper's Pit. Classic!!! F* Carlito!!! That freakin' Caribbean bastard! I am glad he got the shit beat out of him. I loved the Stone Cold/Piper beer thing at the end... You saw the Stunner coming. I took no on that one... Didn't think that was gonna happen because I thought Hassan and Duvari were gonna show up there instead.

Big Show vs. Akebono. This was just a waste of time and space. What ass.... Akebono threw Big Show out like a sack of shit. I took Big Show thinking along the lines of why would Vince McMahon have a non-WWE star win a match. But then again, Mr. T won, Rodman won, Tyson won, LT won...and so on. So I guess that is right!

WWE Championship. I took Cena over JBL. This match was pretty gay. It was quick. I didn't think both titles were changing hands and this was the one that I did.

World Championship. I took Triple H. I didn't think they were giving it to Batista. I wouldn't be surprised much if they decided that as Motorhead started playing Triple H's song. That match started off weak, until Triple H started to bleed. Then they played, the Animal angle to a tee. Good for Batista. The question here is going to be, will Edge fight Batista for the belt, or will he wait, until Triple H wins it back or someone else has it. He has a year. We were kinda thinking Edge is dopy enough to want the title shot tomorrow night on Monday Night Raw.

Overall, I'd say it was one of the better Wrestlemania's.

From what I hear...we got ripped off a match though. A 30 man battle royal. I hear it is going to be on Heat on Sunday. I also hear it is going to be added to the DVD that comes out at the end of May. The battle royal had all the terds in it that weren't in the matches.

Raw/Smackdown should be doing their draft tomorrow night. Look for Matt Hardy and Randy Orton to go to Smackdown and at least JBL to come to Raw. I think they'll run a Triple H/JBL thing for a little while. The beginning of Wrestlemania had a verbal altercation between the two. Hardy wants out of Raw because Edge is dating Lita and he doesn't want to be apart of that anymore. House shows for the next month or two has a string of Taker/Orton matches.

Hopefully, the rosters get shaken up decently, but fairly. Maybe even out the playing field a little.

[Hobbes]

Haha, it looks like I did well.

I thought Eddie would cheat in his match with Rey and turn heel, but I was wrong. Maybe they will do that further down the line.

As for the ladder match, I didn't see Shelton winning because he was the IC champ. I didn't see Kane winning because on RAW he kicked everyone's ass, and usually whoever does that loses on pay per view. I just guessed between the last four, but Jericho and Christian don't usually win big matches from what I remember.

Undertaker and Orton I just guessed on really, I figured though that since Orton got the upperhand on the last show, Undertaker would win. Also, I read on the internet that Orton may be injured and might have to take some time off.

I am surprised that both Cena and Batista won the titles.

It sounds like it was a good pay per view, and I am starting to get back into wrestling. I've been reading some of the results for the pay per views over the last couple of years just to get a general idea of what has gone on and what I have missed.

Also, I read on the internet that the battle royale was going to take place in wrestlemania, then they planned to air it on the heat before mania, and now like you said, they are going to just put it on the dvd. Kind of a waste...

[Hockeyis#1]

Predictions for Wrestlemania XXI???

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio

Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match

Big Show vs. Akebono

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

JBL vs. John Cena

Triple H vs. Batista

Will Austin "stun" Piper?

Will Hassan and Duvari get involved?

Will any of the Hall of Fame inductees be involved in any matches?

I would gladly post my picks but we are having a wrestlemania pool and I can't have FlyGuy stealing my picks! It's $10 to play, each match is worth X-amount of points. Person who has the most points at the end wins the pot.

I haven't seen it or read any of the results or any posts after this one....

so here are my calls

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
I really want Rey to win this match....but I don't think he will...I say Eddie turns on him and goes at it with a chair shot or something...


Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title
The top of Playboy said that she would be a champion....so I'm going with Hugh....plus it would make the whole angle pointless

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match
Who deserves a title shot more? Or should I say...who is WWE going to give the title shot to?
-Christian and Benjamin are out.....sadly...just because they aren't "ready for that big a push"
-Kane doesn't have a steady character or so it seems.....
-Edge is gay.....and it would not be good for his character....
-I'd say Benoit, but he unfortunately seems to be on the way down....
-This leaves Jericho...who has been building a solid character and is over with the fans.....I say he wins it....


Big Show vs. Akebono
-What point would it be to have Akebono win? he's not going to become a regular on WWE.....and I'm sure it would do wonders to have the Big Show say that he beat someone bigger then him in his own game...

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
Kurt seems to be losing a lot as of late....he's due for a big one I suppose

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
Orton needs to win this...hands down.....

JBL vs. John Cena
I can seen JBL cheating Cena and prolonging this one for a while....but I just want Cena to win.....


Triple H vs. Batista
somehow I see someone random ruining Batista's title shot via run in.....don't know who....just see it happening

[King_Killah]

Predictions for Wrestlemania XXI???

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio

Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match

Big Show vs. Akebono

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

JBL vs. John Cena

Triple H vs. Batista

Will Austin "stun" Piper?

Will Hassan and Duvari get involved?

Will any of the Hall of Fame inductees be involved in any matches?

I would gladly post my picks but we are having a wrestlemania pool and I can't have FlyGuy stealing my picks! It's $10 to play, each match is worth X-amount of points. Person who has the most points at the end wins the pot.

I haven't seen it or read any of the results or any posts after this one....

so here are my calls

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
I really want Rey to win this match....but I don't think he will...I say Eddie turns on him and goes at it with a chair shot or something...


Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme w/Lita for Women's title
The top of Playboy said that she would be a champion....so I'm going with Hugh....plus it would make the whole angle pointless

Kane, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Shelton 6 Man Ladder Match
Who deserves a title shot more? Or should I say...who is WWE going to give the title shot to?
-Christian and Benjamin are out.....sadly...just because they aren't "ready for that big a push"
-Kane doesn't have a steady character or so it seems.....
-Edge is gay.....and it would not be good for his character....
-I'd say Benoit, but he unfortunately seems to be on the way down....
-This leaves Jericho...who has been building a solid character and is over with the fans.....I say he wins it....


Big Show vs. Akebono
-What point would it be to have Akebono win? he's not going to become a regular on WWE.....and I'm sure it would do wonders to have the Big Show say that he beat someone bigger then him in his own game...

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
Kurt seems to be losing a lot as of late....he's due for a big one I suppose

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
Orton needs to win this...hands down.....

JBL vs. John Cena
I can seen JBL cheating Cena and prolonging this one for a while....but I just want Cena to win.....


Triple H vs. Batista
somehow I see someone random ruining Batista's title shot via run in.....don't know who....just see it happening

Looks like only two correct, Hockey...

[Hockeyis#1]

Yeah I just read the results.....
WTF!!! how can you have taker win!?!?! that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard...seriously

I like both titles changing hands.....

thought Eddie was turning heel against Rey Rey

Can't believe they let that bitch Edge win the match.....Dude Jericho needs to switch shows or something.....he gets no love on Raw....

I was surprised at the no Hassan/ Davari....thought they would have come in to Piper's Pit....

[FlyGuy78]

Yeah I just read the results.....
WTF!!! how can you have taker win!?!?! that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard...seriously

I like both titles changing hands.....

thought Eddie was turning heel against Rey Rey

Can't believe they let that bitch Edge win the match.....Dude Jericho needs to switch shows or something.....he gets no love on Raw....

I was surprised at the no Hassan/ Davari....thought they would have come in to Piper's Pit....

How can Taker win?? Did you really ask that question? You do know that he was 12-0 at Wrestlemania before last night, did you actually think they were going to let him lose. :roll:

Both titles changing hands was great. I didn't think HHH was giving up his, but I'm glad he did.

Hassan/Davari came out and whooped on Eugene until Hogan showed up to save the day. It was great seeing him out there again!!

Austin is the shit, that is all I have to say. :lol:

And Booker T won the 30-man Battle Royal if anyone cares.

[King_Killah]

Yeah Hockey...are you insane for asking the Undertaker question?? Of course I'll take UT to win... F* Orton! Undertaker is a machine...Orton is just a sack of shit! You knew he wasn't gonna win after he hit UT with all sorts of moves and Taker got up!

Reason for HHH losing his belt is that he is starting to shoot the new Conan movie at the end of this month. Triple H will win the belt back after filming is over!

F* BOOKER!

Oh and Hockey...Jericho wasn't gonna win because his contract is up after Summer Slam and he is leaving! Do you really think Vince will give a last hoorah to him?? Would've been nice, but no...

[The_shad]

Jericho isn't leaving. I don't know where you are getting that. Where's he going to go? TNA? He likes his band, but it isn't exactly his time to hang those boots up.

Also, the word is Orton was scheduled to beat the Undertaker originally (so he can add to his Legend Killer reputation and get some steam back after his series of matches with HHH), but it seems that Orton got hurt sometime before WM 21 and is going to miss some time soon because of surgery.

[King_Killah]

Shad stick to the Denver Broncos... :lol:


Jericho's contract is up in August. His last match will be at Summer Slam.

Undertaker was never losing the Wrestlemania match either. He will hang 'em up unbeaten at Wrestlemania. The next two months of house shows, Orton is fighting the Undertaker. He is fighting Batista tonight on RAW.

However, the one thing that plays in the favor of Orton being hurt is this match with Batista tonight, after he said "he hurt his shoulder." So with that, I can see the thought of Orton being out for a while after Batista destroys him tonight!

[The_shad]

Stick to the football bets, KK. Trust me. :lol:

May I ask where you are getting this little tidbit about Jericho?

And, just think about it. What would Undertaker defeating Orton from the getgo do? Nothing for nobody. Orton needed a win to get some steam back after that failed title reign and feud with HHH. Originally, before Summerslam 2004, they wanted Orton and HHH to highlight WM 21, but they put the kabosh on that soon after when the HHH feud didn't seem to work out. This match was obviously made with a purpose, but they had to change their minds when Orton injured himself.

[King_Killah]

Stick to the football bets, KK. Trust me. :lol:

May I ask where you are getting this little tidbit about Jericho?

And, just think about it. What would Undertaker defeating Orton from the getgo do? Nothing for nobody. Orton needed a win to get some steam back after that failed title reign and feud with HHH. Originally, before Summerslam 2004, they wanted Orton and HHH to highlight WM 21, but they put the kabosh on that soon after when the HHH feud didn't seem to work out. This match was obviously made with a purpose, but they had to change their minds when Orton injured himself.

Well for one, it has been mentioned around a lot over the last few months or so... Secondly, here is an interview with Chris Jericho:

Chris Jericho Reveals WWE Contract Status, What He'd Do If He Saw Goldberg Today
Submitted by Calvin Martin on Friday, March 11, 2005 at 8:38 PM EST


Jimmy Van sent in the following:


The below interview was conducted with Chris Jericho on Monday, March 7, 2005 by Dan Gillis of http://www.JimmyVan.com to promote Fozzy's new "All That Remains" album. The complete 15 minute audio version of the interview is available at JimmyVan.com now.

Fozzy's "All That Remains" features all original tunes, plus collaboration with Zakk Wylde and Bonecrusher. What was it like making the album, and how long did it take?

Jericho said they really wanted to make a musical statement; they wanted a chance to show what they could do as a band and what they can sound like and what they can accomplish. He said they spent a lot of time writing the songs. Rich Ward (guitar player and main songwriter) spent a lot of time getting the songs right to make sure people would be shocked and surprised as to the quality of it, and he thinks they've done that. They recorded from February - April 2004 and it took Jericho six days to record the vocals. Because it's all original stuff, he got to find out his style as a singer. "I don't have to try to sound like everybody else. What's Chris Jericho's style of singing?" he said. That's what he brought out on this record.

Jericho said they had problems with clearances by Bonecrusher and others, so it took a while to get through some red tape and the record consequently wasn't ready to go until January 2005 even though it was finished last June. Jericho said other than that it worked out great and they're happy with the results. "It's a good time for us," he said.

What's your favorite track on "All That Remains"?

"That's hard to say because it's like you know, who's your favorite child," Jericho said. "It depends on what day it is." He said he loves "Nameless Faceless", he loves "Enemy" (theme song to the WWE No Way Out PPV). Jericho said they worked hard to get those melodies that you would remember. Jericho put over Rich Ward, saying he's a "songwriting machine" who's got so many great ideas, they really hit a home run on the album.

What are your major influences?

Jericho said he's a huge Beatles fan, and is very much into Metallica and Iron Maiden and even some bands like Journey, and Rich is the same way. "We have the heaviness of a Pantera or a Metallica," he said. "Also combine that with the guitar harmonies and solos from Iron Maiden, and combine that with the vocal melodies of Journey or Boston; we're very much into the harmonies and clean singing rather than just the style of singing that's prevalent nowadays which is very... you know, shouting, barking, Cookie Monster; that's cool when it warrants it... we're more into the melodic side of things, combine that with the heavy side of things."

Any plans for a North American tour?

Jericho said they have plans for a North American tour. He said they play quite a few shows after wrestling shows and have done a lot of those over the last six months. They just did a tour of England where they did shows and actually sold the shows out, "which is awesome for us," he said. He said they're doing another show in England, and some shows in Germany, and in the States with Motorhead. "Hopefully in the fall we're going to be looking at doing serious touring around the States at that point in time."

There were distribution problems at first, is the album still difficult to find?

Jericho confirmed that there were distribution problems at first because people would only order one or two copies and they would be gone in ten minutes. He said it took a while to get everything figured out, but he knows the albums are out there because they've shipped more copies than they ever have. He said he was at the Best Buy in Raleigh (where he was Monday for Raw) and picked up the CD there. "If you can't find it at one store, you should be able to find it at another one at this point," he said. He said the song "Enemy" is getting airplay at over 50 stations in the States, and the video is the #2 most downloaded video on ifilm.com.

Dan plugged the FozzyRock.com official website. Jericho said they spent time on the website to get it the way they wanted it.

Time for some wrestling questions...

How did you get interested in wrestling originally?

Jericho was a big fan as a kid and wanted to be one of two things, either a musician or a wrestler. He said he's actually been a musician longer than a wrestler as he's played in a band since he was 14.

When does your WWE contract expire?

Jericho said it expires in eight months.

Do you see wrestling in your future after that or will you focus solely on music?

"I've been wrestling for a long time. It's still fun for me but I've accomplished everything I've ever set out to accomplish, probably a lot more than I ever thought I would. I still love it, it's still fun but I mean hey let's be honest if the band took off, the bigger the band gets, there's more opportunities for us to do stuff. I want to take the band as far as we can go with it. If more opportunities arise, then I would definitely spend more time with the band. It all depends on how well it does."

So it's possible that in eight months time if the band's doing well, maybe Chris Jericho the wrestler could hang it up?

"You never know, I mean stranger things have happened. It definitely could happen."

What's your biggest *career* highlight?

Jericho said as far as wrestling goes, he's had so many great experiences in the wrestling business. He mentioned winning the Undisputed Championship, and debuting on Raw. He also mentioned "stealing the show" with Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XIX as a great moment. Plus on the musical side, releasing the third Fozzy album is an obvious career highlight. "It's been a lot of hard work but it's fun when little things like that happen because it pays off, shows that things have been all worthwhile."

Your dream's coming true twice.

"Exactly, and that's the thing; because I went for it. I thought I could do it, I knew I could do it, and I just tried, worked my ass off to make sure that it worked out. Kind of the payoff of hard work I guess."

Who would win in a shoot fight, Goldberg or Ralphus?

Jericho said Goldberg better watch out that Ralphus doesn't stab him with that protruding piece that he had.

Dan asked for details on what led to the backstage altercation with Goldberg in WWE.

Jericho said it's all been said and done. He said there were some bad feelings from WCW that carried over to WWE. "It was something that needed to happen to kind of clear the air, it happened and I'm glad that it did because it cleared the air," he said. Jericho said they're both grown men working hard to make some money, and it happened, and it's a legendary story and everyone knows it by now and it's good that nobody got hurt, and it's overwith, and if he saw Goldberg today he would shake his hand.

You've maintained a solid following over the years; how do you manage to keep your character fresh after all these years?

Jericho said he knows how to connect with the fans, and that's something that a lot of guys don't understand. Whether you're a good guy or a bad guy, you have to connect with the people and make them care about what you're doing. "It's not how big your body is or how many moves you can do; it's solely on how you connect with the crowd. How you make them emotionally become attached to what you're doing." Jericho said he's figured out how to do that and it doesn't matter win or lose, first match, last match, Champion, not a Champion, people know when they see Chris Jericho that they're gonna get 100% effort, a great match, and entertained one way or another. He said it's the same thing when he plays with Fozzy.

Who do you think will carry WWE when the likes of Jericho, Taker, HBK, Angle, etc. retire?

Jericho singled out Randy Orton and John Cena, saying they're still learning but they've got potential. He said Batista has some great potential. "We need to see the personalities shine through though. Who's gonna be the next big personality?" Jericho mentioned Cena again, as well as Carlito Caribbean Cool. He said a lot of guys out there have the opportunity because some of the guys "get it". He said Orton and Batista have been taught by some of the best in the business. He then said you never know because when Rock and Austin first came in, you'd never guess they'd be the biggest stars in the business. "Certain guys that are pegged for greatness sometimes don't live up to it. Other guys that are kind of more "sleepers" end up being the biggest stars ever," he said.

Do you feel that Raw storylines focus on one person too much?

Jericho said sometimes they do and people are bored of it to an extent so that's why the storylines are focusing on another guy (Batista) who is starting to catch on and people are excited about it because it's something different and something new. "I think Dave has a great chance of really taking over and changing things around," he said.

If your last match was tonight, who would you want to wrestle?

Jericho said it'd be either Chris Benoit, Christian or The Rock.

Dan asked about plans for Jericho's match for WrestleMania (this was before the "Money in the Bank" ladder match was announced on Raw).

"I can't give away the trade secrets," Jericho joked.

Dan thanked Jericho for the interview. Jericho thanked the fans who have supported him over the years and he looks forward to many more years of rocking, wrestling or whatever else happens.

You can listen to the complete interview in Real Audio format at http://www.JimmyVan.com

Special thanks to KOCH Entertainment (www.kochcan.com), the Canadian distributor of "All That Remains" by Fozzy.

As far as Orton goes... Undertaker is going into the WWE Hall of Fame undefeated at Wrestlemania. That's a fact. He has two years left, two more Wrestlemanias, two more wins... They set up that match because it was Legend vs. Legend Killer. No one else, at least on the Smackdown side is a "legend" besides the Undertaker. Since it was a Smackdown vs. Raw match, they needed someone to put in there against Orton. They were rolling with the whole Legend Killer angle. Orton's a piece of crap. He'll get his shot again one day. He got whomped by Batista tonight. Edge will get whomped by Batista, too...if he has the nuggets to face him. Batista will hold onto the belt for a bit... He'll run threw people left and right. Batista will lose the belt though...to Orton or (hopefully not) Edge because Triple H will return as a good guy when he gets done the movie. When he returns, he will become 11 time champ. They will make him surpass Flair's 16.

[FlyGuy78]

:withstup:

[Kyle]

I'm far too lazy to read all that, but what kind of band is Jericho in, KK?

[FlyGuy78]

I'm far too lazy to read all that, but what kind of band is Jericho in, KK?

Kyle, this should sum it up for you.


What are your major influences?

Jericho said he's a huge Beatles fan, and is very much into Metallica and Iron Maiden and even some bands like Journey, and Rich is the same way. "We have the heaviness of a Pantera or a Metallica," he said. "Also combine that with the guitar harmonies and solos from Iron Maiden, and combine that with the vocal melodies of Journey or Boston; we're very much into the harmonies and clean singing rather than just the style of singing that's prevalent nowadays which is very... you know, shouting, barking, Cookie Monster; that's cool when it warrants it... we're more into the melodic side of things, combine that with the heavy side of things."

[King_Killah]

I'm far too lazy to read all that, but what kind of band is Jericho in, KK?

HIs first two CDs were mostly covers, doing Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, Ozzy, Scorpions, WASP, Accept, and more... His last one is original. His band are the former memebers of Stuck Mojo. They are a little heavier but with a melodic vocal (Jericho).

[Kyle]

Woah, sounds pretty sick. Any suggestions to download? Do you think they're any good?

[King_Killah]

Woah, sounds pretty sick. Any suggestions to download? Do you think they're any good?

I have the first two CDs, I didn't get the latest one yet. Of the two I have, I like the first one better...

Here's the track list of both, go ahead and pick what you want!

Fozzy - 'self titled'

-- "Stand Up and Shout" (Dio)
-- "Eat the Rich" (Motorhead)
-- "Stay Hungry" (Twisted Sister)
-- "the Prisoner" (Iron Maiden)
-- "Live Wire" (Motley Crue, actually done real well)
-- "End of Days" (original)
-- "Over the Mountain" -- (Ozzy)
-- "Blackout" (Scorpions)
-- "Feel the Burn" (original)
-- "Riding on the Wind" (Judas Priest)

Fozzy - 'Happenstance'

-- "Whitechapel 1888" (original)
-- "To Kill a Stranger" (Original)
-- "Happenstance" (original)
-- "Freewheel Burning" (Judas Priest)
-- "The Mob Rules" (Black Sabbath)
-- "Big City Nights" (Scorpions)
-- "Crucify Yourself" (original)
-- "LOVE Machine" (WASP)
-- "Balls to the Wall" (Accept)
-- "With the Fire" (original)
-- "Where Eagles Dare" (Iron Maiden)

I don't have their 3rd!

Some of the better covers in my opinion are, "Live Wire", "Big City Nights", "Love Machine" but all are good!

If you can't find anything, let me know...and I'll e-mail something to you!

[King_Killah]

By the way, Jericho's Fozzy name is Mongoose McQueen! Hahaha...

[King_Killah]

Oh and just an FYI, Zakk Wylde plays guitar on some of the songs on their 3rd CD.

[King_Killah]

Are you kidding me..... the Hurricane is interrupting HHH!! WTF???

[MrScientist]

That was kinda weird. About the Orton shoulder surgery-I assume it's real, but is the whole 'revenge on Batista' thing just the WWE's spin on it?

[Doctego]

That was kinda weird. About the Orton shoulder surgery-I assume it's real, but is the whole 'revenge on Batista' thing just the WWE's spin on it?

Well, he was injured before WrestleMania. They are probably setting something up for a rematch down the road.

[original six]

CAn not believe that this thread is getting so many posts.... I really did not know that so many trailpark residents had computers.........

WHATS GOING TO BE POSTED NEXT NASCAR OR PBA? :wink:

[Doctego]

WHATS GOING TO BE POSTED NEXT NASCAR OR PBA? :wink:

I don't know. Which do you prefer?? :P

[King_Killah]

Doc.........it wasn't you! I was beginning to get concerned that the shooting, hostage, police chase in North Jersey was you!!!!

Phwwww........

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Doctego]

Doc.........it wasn't you! I was beginning to get concerned that the shooting, hostage, police chase in North Jersey was you!!!!

Phwwww........

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't be so sure. I drive fast. :lol:

[Gambit]

what ever happened to Kevin Nash ?

[King_Killah]

what ever happened to Kevin Nash ?

He got fired by Vince, re-hired, fired, re-hired, and fired again.... He is in the TNA/NWA with Jeff Jarrett and Dusty Rhodes right now!

[spoonie luv]

who else is ready for hogan tonight on RAW....hulkamania still running wild!

[FlyGuy78]

who else is ready for hogan tonight on RAW....hulkamania still running wild!

Hogan coming back to be partners with HBK is a great way to bring him back. These two had a pretty good rival later in Hogan's years and it will be good to see Hogan back and with a partner. I also think we are seeing the end of HBK.

The question now is how will Raw hold up with HHH leaving after Backlash and Orton out 3 months with the shoulder injury? I guess this is where Edge comes in with his priceless briefcase and we see an Edge/Batista rivalry go on until Orton gets back around Summer Slam?

[spoonie luv]

i say make hogan and austin champ one more time. even if it's just for a week or a surprise championship match. they deserve it and the fans would love it. a shame hogan v. austin never happened, while rock v. hogan was a classic, this one was the real dream match.

[Doctego]

i say make hogan and austin champ one more time. even if it's just for a week or a surprise championship match. they deserve it and the fans would love it. a shame hogan v. austin never happened, while rock v. hogan was a classic, this one was the real dream match.

LOL. Never gonna happen and I was the biggest Hogan fan out there. I also don't expect to see Hogan tonight. Maybe next week.

[spoonie luv]

hogan has been pretty much been confirmed to be on RAW tonight by everybody except the WWE. i suspect that's how they'll end the show, at least that's what i'd do.

[Hockeyis#1]

I really think they should have had Hassan take Muhammed out at Wrestlemania....that would have been awesome!

oh and when are Psychosis and Super Crazy coming in to liven up the cruiserweight division...

and where tf are the Dudleyz?

[The_shad]

and where tf are the Dudleyz?

They were taken off for the upcoming ECW show. It may be played into an angle.

[King_Killah]

who else is ready for hogan tonight on RAW....hulkamania still running wild!

Hogan coming back to be partners with HBK is a great way to bring him back. These two had a pretty good rival later in Hogan's years and it will be good to see Hogan back and with a partner. I also think we are seeing the end of HBK.

The question now is how will Raw hold up with HHH leaving after Backlash and Orton out 3 months with the shoulder injury? I guess this is where Edge comes in with his priceless briefcase and we see an Edge/Batista rivalry go on until Orton gets back around Summer Slam?

Hmmm.... How about a Sweet Chin Music to Hogan's grill, turning Michaels bad again??? Just a thought!

[King_Killah]

i say make hogan and austin champ one more time. even if it's just for a week or a surprise championship match. they deserve it and the fans would love it. a shame hogan v. austin never happened, while rock v. hogan was a classic, this one was the real dream match.

Rock - Hogan was the worst match ever!!!!!!!! Sure two of the biggest personalities in the business, but please...

[FlyGuy78]

who else is ready for hogan tonight on RAW....hulkamania still running wild!

Hogan coming back to be partners with HBK is a great way to bring him back. These two had a pretty good rival later in Hogan's years and it will be good to see Hogan back and with a partner. I also think we are seeing the end of HBK.

The question now is how will Raw hold up with HHH leaving after Backlash and Orton out 3 months with the shoulder injury? I guess this is where Edge comes in with his priceless briefcase and we see an Edge/Batista rivalry go on until Orton gets back around Summer Slam?

Hmmm.... How about a Sweet Chin Music to Hogan's grill, turning Michaels bad again??? Just a thought!

But how much longer do you think Michaels is going to last?

[MrScientist]

Anyone watching RAW? Viscera wants Trish, and the Heartthrobs...LOL!

[King_Killah]

Yeah.... The Heart Throbs... I thought FlyGuy and Beanz got WWE contracts without telling us!

[King_Killah]

who else is ready for hogan tonight on RAW....hulkamania still running wild!

Hogan coming back to be partners with HBK is a great way to bring him back. These two had a pretty good rival later in Hogan's years and it will be good to see Hogan back and with a partner. I also think we are seeing the end of HBK.

The question now is how will Raw hold up with HHH leaving after Backlash and Orton out 3 months with the shoulder injury? I guess this is where Edge comes in with his priceless briefcase and we see an Edge/Batista rivalry go on until Orton gets back around Summer Slam?

Hmmm.... How about a Sweet Chin Music to Hogan's grill, turning Michaels bad again??? Just a thought!

But how much longer do you think Michaels is going to last?

I think he is on his way out! Not much longer!

[King_Killah]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrScientist]

that was awesome. I should've seen it coming, but I didn't, so it was cooler :P

[FlyGuy78]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

[King_Killah]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

I doubt it... I bet it will actually be one of the weaker PPV's unfortunately!

[Doctego]

Yeah.... The Heart Throbs... I thought FlyGuy and Beanz got WWE contracts without telling us!

Sweet. :lol:

[Doctego]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

I doubt it... I bet it will actually be one of the weaker PPV's unfortunately!

Usually the ones that you think will be gay end up being the best. I have always loved Hogan but those milk wagons are funny as shit.

[Hockeyis#1]

Once I learned Raw was @ MSG....Hogan's appearance became a given.

I loved Y2J's song "Shelton is a little bitch" and Shelton's comment the week before about more hits then the last Fozzy album... :lol:

The whole Chris Master's thing is HOMO!!!!

[Doctego]

Once I learned Raw was @ MSG....Hogan's appearance became a given.

I loved Y2J's song "Shelton is a little bitch" and Shelton's comment the week before about more hits then the last Fozzy album... :lol:

The whole Chris Master's thing is HOMO!!!!

Agreed, agreed, and agreed. :P

[FlyGuy78]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

I doubt it... I bet it will actually be one of the weaker PPV's unfortunately!


Are you kidding me?!?! :shock: Already we have Batista vs. HHH 2, HULK HOGAN returning to team up with HBK, and Benoit vs. Edge in a 'Last Man Standing' match. And I may have missed it, but I would think that Fozzy and Benjamin are going to have a match also. Who knows what else is coming!!

And on a side note, Christian will get PUMMELED next week by Batista!!! hahahaha

[spoonie luv]

did anyone else know that batista is 40? there goes the whole young, up and coming thing with him. triple h will win the title back probably at summerslam. hopefully they bring over angle and the big show to raw and move hbk and christian to smackdown. christian would be good on smackdown cuz like he said, that's how he rolls. wonder if they'll put edge on smackdown cuz of the whole lita/hardy fiasco.

[MrScientist]

Batista is 40? Damn, he doesn't look older than 30. I agree that the Masters thing is gay, similar to Angle's, I think the WWE is running out of material.

[CayugaPosse]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

I doubt it... I bet it will actually be one of the weaker PPV's unfortunately!


Are you kidding me?!?! :shock: Already we have Batista vs. HHH 2, HULK HOGAN returning to team up with HBK, and Benoit vs. Edge in a 'Last Man Standing' match. And I may have missed it, but I would think that Fozzy and Benjamin are going to have a match also. Who knows what else is coming!!

And on a side note, Christian will get PUMMELED next week by Batista!!! hahahaha

Silly boy, I keep telling you, Christian is main event waiting to happen, even Vince McMahon agrees. And no I'm not talking about the storyline purposes. I mean the fact that out of everyone in the backstage area, he chose Christian to be out there for his huge draft announcement, which is a big deal(so much so that the entire draft was delayed until Vince could walk again to make the announcement he made last night...with Christian).

Obviously he's not winning the title, but I doubt we're going to see a squash, since as I keep saying, he could move right over to Smackdown and immediately engage in one of the most entertaining feuds of the summer if put in the feud with John Cena that they set up last night.

[MrScientist]

Cayuga, what happened to Vince anyway?

[CayugaPosse]

Cayuga, what happened to Vince anyway?

Royal Rumble when he tried to run into the ring when Batista and Cena botched the end of the match and hit his knee against the aapron he ended up tearing his ACL or something fairly severe along those lines.

[King_Killah]

did anyone else know that batista is 40? there goes the whole young, up and coming thing with him. triple h will win the title back probably at summerslam. hopefully they bring over angle and the big show to raw and move hbk and christian to smackdown. christian would be good on smackdown cuz like he said, that's how he rolls. wonder if they'll put edge on smackdown cuz of the whole lita/hardy fiasco.

Spoonie..... You are a crack head all the way around on this one!

Batista isn't 40!

Read a few pages back, Triple H is filming the new Conan the Barbarian movie... He will be out for some time, after Backlash.

Word all around is that the "draft" is going to exchange champions... Not sure how that will work out, and as far as Raw guys going to Smackdown, expect Christian and Matt Hardy to be the ones. Christian will attempt to get in main event matches there and be bitch slapped up and down. Matt Hardy wants to leave Raw because Lita is dating Edge and doesn't want to be around either of them right now.

HBK is on his way out, doubt he will downgrade himself to Smackdown.

OH AND CHRISTIAN SUCKS MONKEY ASS!

[CayugaPosse]

did anyone else know that batista is 40? there goes the whole young, up and coming thing with him. triple h will win the title back probably at summerslam. hopefully they bring over angle and the big show to raw and move hbk and christian to smackdown. christian would be good on smackdown cuz like he said, that's how he rolls. wonder if they'll put edge on smackdown cuz of the whole lita/hardy fiasco.

Spoonie..... You are a crack head all the way around on this one!

Batista isn't 40!

Read a few pages back, Triple H is filming the new Conan the Barbarian movie... He will be out for some time, after Backlash.

Word all around is that the "draft" is going to exchange champions... Not sure how that will work out, and as far as Raw guys going to Smackdown, expect Christian and Matt Hardy to be the ones. Christian will attempt to get in main event matches there and be bitch slapped up and down. Matt Hardy wants to leave Raw because Lita is dating Edge and doesn't want to be around either of them right now.

HBK is on his way out, doubt he will downgrade himself to Smackdown.

OH AND CHRISTIAN SUCKS MONKEY ASS!

Matt Hardy won't be going anywhere. Vince McMahon fired him so there was no tension backstage between him and his best friend Adam Copeland(Edge) cheated on his wife with Matt Hardy's girlfriend Amy Dumas(Lita) behind his back and he eventually found out.

Hence RAW in MSG when everyone in the crowd was chanting "SLUT! SLUT!", this time they weren't doing it to Trish, they were doing it to Lita. The crowd was also chanting "You screwed Edge!" during the segment if you listen. Apparantly after the segment when she got backstage she was in tears, and frankly, good. I hope it happens every week.

Vince is an ass for firing Matt in lieu of his girlfriend cheating on him with his best friend, Edge is an ass for doing that to Matt, and Lita is a whore for doing it. It's a goddamn travesty that they fired Matt.

Obviously I've said several times now that I hope Christian moves to Smackdown. Even if he is not pushed to the main event which would be a travesty because he could have one hell of an entertaining angle with Cena, he could still have some great midcard matches with Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio and others. Infact a Christian Eddie Guerrero feud could work wonders as well.

The heaviest rumour right now about the roster split is Kurt Angle being traded to RAW for Shawn Michaels who will come to Smackdown and turn heel to feud with Cena and help his in-ring progression since John Cena can't wrestle to save his soul, while Kurt was immediately thrust into RAW main event and help carry Batista to good matches since "pig power guy" isn't exactly a wrestling style that carries a match, he needs someone to fill gaps. Angle is the master in the ring.

Putting the 2 champions who granted are very over with fans and have good gimmicks, but are still bad in-ring performers in feuds with the best 2 wrestlers they have in the WWE(Michaels and Angle, as evidence by their unbeleivable Wrestlemania match) makes the fact that those 2 champions aren't that good in the ring un-noticable because Angle and Michaels can force good matches out of them. So in that sense, that idea makes alot of sense for the WWE.

spoonie did exaggerate a bit but not as much as you may think. Dave Bautista is 36 years old.

[Hockeyis#1]

Hence RAW in MSG when everyone in the crowd was chanting "SLUT! SLUT!", this time they weren't doing it to Trish, they were doing it to Lita. The crowd was also chanting "You screwed Edge!" during the segment if you listen. Apparantly after the segment when she got backstage she was in tears, and frankly, good. I hope it happens every week.

I agree.....I hope Matt Hardy goes to TNA to be reunited with Jeff....
when is TNA on?


The heaviest rumour right now about the roster split is Kurt Angle being traded to RAW for Shawn Michaels who will come to Smackdown and turn heel to feud with Cena and help his in-ring progression since John Cena can't wrestle to save his soul, while Kurt was immediately thrust into RAW main event and help carry Batista to good matches since "pig power guy" isn't exactly a wrestling style that carries a match, he needs someone to fill gaps. Angle is the master in the ring.


John Cena's character ISN'T a wrestler, he's a brawler, a fighter, a hood....he's job isn't to wrestle as much as it is to just brawl

[spoonie luv]

killah i usually agree with all your posts but batista just signed a five year deal and he was born in 1966. he has three daughters that are 20, 16 and 12.

[King_Killah]

did anyone else know that batista is 40? there goes the whole young, up and coming thing with him. triple h will win the title back probably at summerslam. hopefully they bring over angle and the big show to raw and move hbk and christian to smackdown. christian would be good on smackdown cuz like he said, that's how he rolls. wonder if they'll put edge on smackdown cuz of the whole lita/hardy fiasco.

Spoonie..... You are a crack head all the way around on this one!

Batista isn't 40!

Read a few pages back, Triple H is filming the new Conan the Barbarian movie... He will be out for some time, after Backlash.

Word all around is that the "draft" is going to exchange champions... Not sure how that will work out, and as far as Raw guys going to Smackdown, expect Christian and Matt Hardy to be the ones. Christian will attempt to get in main event matches there and be bitch slapped up and down. Matt Hardy wants to leave Raw because Lita is dating Edge and doesn't want to be around either of them right now.

HBK is on his way out, doubt he will downgrade himself to Smackdown.

OH AND CHRISTIAN SUCKS MONKEY ASS!

Matt Hardy won't be going anywhere. Vince McMahon fired him so there was no tension backstage between him and his best friend Adam Copeland(Edge) cheated on his wife with Matt Hardy's girlfriend Amy Dumas(Lita) behind his back and he eventually found out.

Hence RAW in MSG when everyone in the crowd was chanting "SLUT! SLUT!", this time they weren't doing it to Trish, they were doing it to Lita. The crowd was also chanting "You screwed Edge!" during the segment if you listen. Apparantly after the segment when she got backstage she was in tears, and frankly, good. I hope it happens every week.

Vince is an ass for firing Matt in lieu of his girlfriend cheating on him with his best friend, Edge is an ass for doing that to Matt, and Lita is a whore for doing it. It's a goddamn travesty that they fired Matt.

Obviously I've said several times now that I hope Christian moves to Smackdown. Even if he is not pushed to the main event which would be a travesty because he could have one hell of an entertaining angle with Cena, he could still have some great midcard matches with Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio and others. Infact a Christian Eddie Guerrero feud could work wonders as well.

The heaviest rumour right now about the roster split is Kurt Angle being traded to RAW for Shawn Michaels who will come to Smackdown and turn heel to feud with Cena and help his in-ring progression since John Cena can't wrestle to save his soul, while Kurt was immediately thrust into RAW main event and help carry Batista to good matches since "pig power guy" isn't exactly a wrestling style that carries a match, he needs someone to fill gaps. Angle is the master in the ring.

Putting the 2 champions who granted are very over with fans and have good gimmicks, but are still bad in-ring performers in feuds with the best 2 wrestlers they have in the WWE(Michaels and Angle, as evidence by their unbeleivable Wrestlemania match) makes the fact that those 2 champions aren't that good in the ring un-noticable because Angle and Michaels can force good matches out of them. So in that sense, that idea makes alot of sense for the WWE.

spoonie did exaggerate a bit but not as much as you may think. Dave Bautista is 36 years old.

Cayuga -- It is common knowledge that EDGE AND LITA ARE DATING!!!! Whether it started off with Lita cheating on Hardy is one thing or another. Hey, if Hardy is really gone, then he can hit that TNA thing with Jeff Hardy!

[Hockeyis#1]

WHEN IS TNA ON TV???!?!?

I would LOVE to see the Hardy Boyz Reunion!!!

[FlyGuy78]

WHEN IS TNA ON TV???!?!?


You can see TNA on MTV (mostly rap videos), porn, this website, just about anywhere!!! :lol:


Oh you meant the wrestling show, sorry, don't know!! :P

[Gambit]

I just watched the little crap clips they have on WWE.com of Hulk Hogan returning, and it sent goosebumps down my spine...

I remember watching him as little boy, when I was really into wrestling...he is a legend, no mistake about it and when they team him up with Shawn Michaels, it's gonna be sweet!

Hulk Hogan rules....there will never be another wrestler more popular than him.

Bret Hart will always be my all-time favorite, but Hulk Hogan is a close second.

[Hockeyis#1]

I just watched the little crap clips they have on WWE.com of Hulk Hogan returning, and it sent goosebumps down my spine...

I remember watching him as little boy, when I was really into wrestling...he is a legend, no mistake about it and when they team him up with Shawn Michaels, it's gonna be sweet!

Hulk Hogan rules....there will never be another wrestler more popular than him.

Bret Hart will always be my all-time favorite, but Hulk Hogan is a close second.

There were several things about Hogan's comeback that I was less than happy with...
1) he looked fat
2) and not so super buff
3) they took like 15 minutes to pose....
4) his big boots(s) hit Hassan and Davari in the stomach to chest are....come on now...
5) NO LEG DROP!!!

[Doctego]

I just watched the little crap clips they have on WWE.com of Hulk Hogan returning, and it sent goosebumps down my spine...

I remember watching him as little boy, when I was really into wrestling...he is a legend, no mistake about it and when they team him up with Shawn Michaels, it's gonna be sweet!

Hulk Hogan rules....there will never be another wrestler more popular than him.

Bret Hart will always be my all-time favorite, but Hulk Hogan is a close second.

There were several things about Hogan's comeback that I was less than happy with...
1) he looked fat
2) and not so super buff
3) they took like 15 minutes to pose....
4) his big boots(s) hit Hassan and Davari in the stomach to chest are....come on now...
5) NO LEG DROP!!!

1. He's old as shit
2. Last time, he wasn't so buff, either. He still looks great for 50 something.
3. He always does that. They just edit some out. Plus, the stage was there to do it.
4. He's old and it's all about the sell with that shit.
5. He wasn't pinning anyone. :roll:

[FlyGuy78]

:withstup:

You WILL see the LEG DROP & SWEET CHIN MUSIC at Backlash!! :lol:

[Hockeyis#1]

I just watched the little crap clips they have on WWE.com of Hulk Hogan returning, and it sent goosebumps down my spine...

I remember watching him as little boy, when I was really into wrestling...he is a legend, no mistake about it and when they team him up with Shawn Michaels, it's gonna be sweet!

Hulk Hogan rules....there will never be another wrestler more popular than him.

Bret Hart will always be my all-time favorite, but Hulk Hogan is a close second.

There were several things about Hogan's comeback that I was less than happy with...
1) he looked fat
2) and not so super buff
3) they took like 15 minutes to pose....
4) his big boots(s) hit Hassan and Davari in the stomach to chest are....come on now...
5) NO LEG DROP!!!

1. He's old as shit
2. Last time, he wasn't so buff, either. He still looks great for 50 something.
3. He always does that. They just edit some out. Plus, the stage was there to do it.
4. He's old and it's all about the sell with that shit.
5. He wasn't pinning anyone. :roll:
1) He wasn't fat last time
3) they should have edited some out....even Michaels looked like "this is getting old"
4) he couldn't even lift his damn leg up
5) so? he's done it other times

[CayugaPosse]

Killah, it's common knowledge now yes. Because 2 weeks ago Matt Hardy posted a big thing on his website about how he had just found out that Edge and Lita were in a relationship behind his back while he was still engaged to Lita.

Before that no one knew.

[The_shad]

Cayuga -- It is common knowledge that EDGE AND LITA ARE DATING!!!! Whether it started off with Lita cheating on Hardy is one thing or another. Hey, if Hardy is really gone, then he can hit that TNA thing with Jeff Hardy!

Matt is going to have to wait 90 days since he got fired to go to TNA (due to a no compete clause). Kinda like what happened to Brock Lesnar, but he actually agreed to the terms (like an idiot) so he could go to the NFL and his is much, much longer.

[CayugaPosse]

Quote from Chris Jericho on Opie and Anthony about Matt/Edge/Lita situation :

"ANTHONY: (reading an instant feedback) “Ask Chris about Lita banging Edge behind Matt Hardy’s back. Watch him squirm.”

Y2J: Watch who squirm, me?

ANTHONY: I don’t know.

Y2J: I’m not squirming about shit man. That’s a shitty situation and it’s wrong and shouldn’t have happened. You know, I’m not squirming about it. I got nothing to be ashamed of. But it’s bad business man. They fired Matt Hardy as a result and how could you be sitting at home rehabbing your knee and a month later you lose your girlfriend and your job for doing nothing wrong, you know what I mean? So.

ANTHONY: That is rough.

Y2J: Yeah, it’s the shits."

It's odd because this situation has brought such chaos to backstage at the WWE shows right now since basically every wrestler backstage is VERY upset with Edge and Lita for doing what they did. There is alot of resentment backstage right now. That, and the fans at shows who are absolutely turning seething hatred towards Lita and Edge(which is why Lita's likely turning heel sometime soon because they can't have many more interviews like Monday when she was supposed to be the face and fans were booing her and screaming insults at her).

This situation is going to cause alot of interesting situations for Vince McMahon as well because he always considers MSG in New York and ACC/Skydome in Toronto the two best wrestling crowds everytime they go there. So they usually guage alot when they go to those two places(years ago Toronto turned a heel Rock face, Wrestlemania Toronto turned Hogan face when he wrestled The Rock to name a few of the more obvious ones.).

Last night whenever Edge and Lita were in the ring there were LOUD "We want Matt!" chants to accompany "You screwed Matt" and various other chants. Vince using MSG as a barometer for crowd reactions has got to realize that people aren't just pissed at Lita and Edge for doing what they did, but equally upset at Vince for firing Matt because of it.

As Jericho said, the real loss is Matt Hardy, he's injured, repairing his knee and suddenly now he's lost his girlfriend and his job without doing a damn thing wrong. That's the same of the situation.

Amy Dumas and Adam Copeland can burn in hell.

Also, going back to that MSG/Toronto being a barometer for crowd reactions and WWE investing alot in how those crowds react. Well, typically the WWE discredits us(Toronto) cheering for Christian since he's Canadian. Last night he got a loud face pop as well when he came out, and there were lots of PEEPS signs in the crowd. We may see him turn face sometime soon.

[King_Killah]

WHEN IS TNA ON TV???!?!?

I would LOVE to see the Hardy Boyz Reunion!!!

Around here is it on Fox Sportsnet on Friday or Saturday nights at Midnight...I think Saturdays.

They have:

Jeff Hardy
Jeff Jarrett
Dusty Rhodes
Sabu
Raven
Sandman (sometimes)

and a bunch of others...

[Hobbes]

It's been a long time since Christian has been a face, right? I love him as a heel, I don't know if he'd be as great as a face. Then again, it might be more fresh to have him as a good guy. Since I've started watching wrestling consistently again, he's become my favorite wrestler, so it'd be nice to see him feud for the belt on whatever brand he ends up on.

Anyways, Backlash looks okay but I am not really excited about seeing Hogan wrestle...again. I really hope this is his last match. I guess it gets the fans excited though, so whatever.

[Doctego]

Who said that Christian is gonna be a face??

[Hobbes]

I was just responding to Cayuga's post where he mentioned that Christian may turn face sometime sooon. I forgot to quote him.

[King_Killah]

HOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backlash is going to be DA SHIT!!! :lol:

I doubt it... I bet it will actually be one of the weaker PPV's unfortunately!


Are you kidding me?!?! :shock: Already we have Batista vs. HHH 2, HULK HOGAN returning to team up with HBK, and Benoit vs. Edge in a 'Last Man Standing' match. And I may have missed it, but I would think that Fozzy and Benjamin are going to have a match also. Who knows what else is coming!!

And on a side note, Christian will get PUMMELED next week by Batista!!! hahahaha

Backlash always is one of the weaker PPV's...

Batista vs. HHH II is going to be OK, at best. It will be the same as we saw at Wrestlemania. HHH will handle Batista at first, then Batista will turn the tables and wreak havoc on HHH. HHH may hit a pedigree time since they are trying to play the Batista is afraid of the pedigree angle.

I never could stand Hogan, until recently... In fact I hated him. Just the last couple of Hogan appearances have been fun, I guess for old times' sake... Watching the people go nuts is cool, too. But, that match is the most predictable match in the history of the WWE. Do I have to tell you what is going to happen? OK, I will! Michaels will be roughed up by Hassan and Duvari for most of the match. He'll finally reverse a move and stagger to make the tag. The crowd will go insane when Hogan hits the ring. Hassan and Duvari will try the double team on Hogan, which of course won't work because Hogan will be all "Hulked" up! Hogan tosses Duvari aside, throws Hassan to the ropes, big boot to the grill, big leg drop...1-2-3! Crowd goes insane again. Then...the KK call of the year, Michaels nails Hogan with the SWEET CHIN MUSIC!

Benoit/Edge -- I can care less... I hope Edge wins! Benoit bores me! He's good as shit wrestling, but it's getting old!

Jericho/Benjamin should happen. Shelton will probably win, unless Jericho becomes the bad guy. That match will probably be the "best" match of the night.

There isn't much more that can come... What Regal and Tajiri vs. FlyGuy and Beanz...I mean the Fag Throbs??? Probably another Trish Stratus match. Kane vs. Vicera...please!

Oh...I hope Batista breaks Christian's knee cap! And while he's at it, he might as well break Tomko's as well!

Silly boy, I keep telling you, Christian is main event waiting to happen, even Vince McMahon agrees. And no I'm not talking about the storyline purposes. I mean the fact that out of everyone in the backstage area, he chose Christian to be out there for his huge draft announcement, which is a big deal(so much so that the entire draft was delayed until Vince could walk again to make the announcement he made last night...with Christian).

Obviously he's not winning the title, but I doubt we're going to see a squash, since as I keep saying, he could move right over to Smackdown and immediately engage in one of the most entertaining feuds of the summer if put in the feud with John Cena that they set up last night.

He had Christian out there so he could call him a "Creepy Little Bastard" which was classic! Christian SUCKS!!!! He won't beat Batista, he won't beat Cena. Sorry! Deal with it! In fact, think about this... Vince himself said no one was safe. There has been lots of talk that the champions are gonna switch, Batista to Smackdown - Cena to Raw. So, Christian will end up fighting Batista anyway... That's gay! Christian eats cock! Maybe if they try him out as a good guy and fights Virgil (whatever the f*ck JBL's dude's name is, Orlando) for the US title, maybe.

killah i usually agree with all your posts but batista just signed a five year deal and he was born in 1966. he has three daughters that are 20, 16 and 12.

Spoonie... That's a negative there boss! Dave Batista, born - January 18th, 1969. While yes I suppose he is pushing the 40 mark, he's not quite there yet! :D

There were several things about Hogan's comeback that I was less than happy with...
1) he looked fat
2) and not so super buff
3) they took like 15 minutes to pose....
4) his big boots(s) hit Hassan and Davari in the stomach to chest are....come on now...
5) NO LEG DROP!!!

Hockey -- Each time Hogan jumped in the ring and fought Hassan and Duvari, there was no leg drop! The posing thing I can't stand! And the after match posing (if Michaels doesn't turn on Hogan) will be longer than the match itself at Backlash! To answer #2, Hogan's like a hundred. Of course he isn't super buff any longer.

Killah, it's common knowledge now yes. Because 2 weeks ago Matt Hardy posted a big thing on his website about how he had just found out that Edge and Lita were in a relationship behind his back while he was still engaged to Lita.

Before that no one knew.

No dude... That was pre-Wrestlemania news!

[Doctego]

Agreed, KK. That Lita news is much older than 2 weeks old. :wink:

[original six]

cant believe this trailer trash post is still going... I was driving to boston today and on the highway this family vanster had this the license plate.... WWE-Fan.......... lost my shit as I passed them looked in the drivers side window to see this FAT man and ugly woman skarfing down Some drive by food.. KIds in the back picking their nose and fighting over the fries(i think )........ True trailer park..............and thought of this thread..........

made me sad.......... :lol:

[CayugaPosse]

It's been a long time since Christian has been a face, right? I love him as a heel, I don't know if he'd be as great as a face. Then again, it might be more fresh to have him as a good guy. Since I've started watching wrestling consistently again, he's become my favorite wrestler, so it'd be nice to see him feud for the belt on whatever brand he ends up on.

Anyways, Backlash looks okay but I am not really excited about seeing Hogan wrestle...again. I really hope this is his last match. I guess it gets the fans excited though, so whatever.

I cannot remember Christian ever having been a face, but he's so good as a heel that they may just have to slowly shift him face.

Not anything abrupt like Cena and Orton's turn because those turns killed those characters' entertainment value.

It's alot like the days of Edge and Christian as a tag team doing the 5 second poses and proclaiming "Soda rules!". They were meant as heels but people loved having them on screen as much as possible because they were so damned entertaining they eventually became faces while still doing heelish things.

Also like Eddie Guerrero. Does heel things, but does them to heels so he gets loud crowd reactions.

And Killah, you're dumb. Vince did not bring Christian out there merely to call him a catch phrase that was used years ago. If he was looking to use 2 year old catch phrases he could have brought Benoit out to say something like : "Geez Chris you sure are a rabid wolverine!" There's no point. They had Christian out there because he's the best heel on the microphone outside of Triple H, who they obviously weren't going to use in a segment like that.

What other heels would Vince have had out there? Edge? Not good enough on the mic. Kane? What mic skills? Snitsky? I wish he was never hired.

The only other viable option for Vince to interrupt for a segment like that would have been Hassan, but he was already used that night for Hogan.

If you honestly think Christian was there so Vince could use a catch phrase that hardly even elicited a crowd reaction since alot were actually pro-Christian anyway than you're in complete denial of Christian's actual standing within the company.

He's a great upper-mid card wrestler, who as I said, could very easily be given a little nudge and become a main eventer.

[FlyGuy78]

It's been a long time since Christian has been a face, right? I love him as a heel, I don't know if he'd be as great as a face. Then again, it might be more fresh to have him as a good guy. Since I've started watching wrestling consistently again, he's become my favorite wrestler, so it'd be nice to see him feud for the belt on whatever brand he ends up on.

Anyways, Backlash looks okay but I am not really excited about seeing Hogan wrestle...again. I really hope this is his last match. I guess it gets the fans excited though, so whatever.

I cannot remember Christian ever having been a face, but he's so good as a heel that they may just have to slowly shift him face.

Not anything abrupt like Cena and Orton's turn because those turns killed those characters' entertainment value.

It's alot like the days of Edge and Christian as a tag team doing the 5 second poses and proclaiming "Soda rules!". They were meant as heels but people loved having them on screen as much as possible because they were so damned entertaining they eventually became faces while still doing heelish things.

Also like Eddie Guerrero. Does heel things, but does them to heels so he gets loud crowd reactions.

And Killah, you're dumb. Vince did not bring Christian out there merely to call him a catch phrase that was used years ago. If he was looking to use 2 year old catch phrases he could have brought Benoit out to say something like : "Geez Chris you sure are a rabid wolverine!" There's no point. They had Christian out there because he's the best heel on the microphone outside of Triple H, who they obviously weren't going to use in a segment like that.

What other heels would Vince have had out there? Edge? Not good enough on the mic. Kane? What mic skills? Snitsky? I wish he was never hired.

The only other viable option for Vince to interrupt for a segment like that would have been Hassan, but he was already used that night for Hogan.

If you honestly think Christian was there so Vince could use a catch phrase that hardly even elicited a crowd reaction since alot were actually pro-Christian anyway than you're in complete denial of Christian's actual standing within the company.

He's a great upper-mid card wrestler, who as I said, could very easily be given a little nudge and become a main eventer.

You said it exactly, there was NO ONE ELSE for him to pick on, so he chose Christian. Cayuga, you have to get over the fact that Christian sucks and WON'T EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER hold ANY of the Championship Belts......................NEVER!!!! :roll:

[CayugaPosse]

It's been a long time since Christian has been a face, right? I love him as a heel, I don't know if he'd be as great as a face. Then again, it might be more fresh to have him as a good guy. Since I've started watching wrestling consistently again, he's become my favorite wrestler, so it'd be nice to see him feud for the belt on whatever brand he ends up on.

Anyways, Backlash looks okay but I am not really excited about seeing Hogan wrestle...again. I really hope this is his last match. I guess it gets the fans excited though, so whatever.

I cannot remember Christian ever having been a face, but he's so good as a heel that they may just have to slowly shift him face.

Not anything abrupt like Cena and Orton's turn because those turns killed those characters' entertainment value.

It's alot like the days of Edge and Christian as a tag team doing the 5 second poses and proclaiming "Soda rules!". They were meant as heels but people loved having them on screen as much as possible because they were so damned entertaining they eventually became faces while still doing heelish things.

Also like Eddie Guerrero. Does heel things, but does them to heels so he gets loud crowd reactions.

And Killah, you're dumb. Vince did not bring Christian out there merely to call him a catch phrase that was used years ago. If he was looking to use 2 year old catch phrases he could have brought Benoit out to say something like : "Geez Chris you sure are a rabid wolverine!" There's no point. They had Christian out there because he's the best heel on the microphone outside of Triple H, who they obviously weren't going to use in a segment like that.

What other heels would Vince have had out there? Edge? Not good enough on the mic. Kane? What mic skills? Snitsky? I wish he was never hired.

The only other viable option for Vince to interrupt for a segment like that would have been Hassan, but he was already used that night for Hogan.

If you honestly think Christian was there so Vince could use a catch phrase that hardly even elicited a crowd reaction since alot were actually pro-Christian anyway than you're in complete denial of Christian's actual standing within the company.

He's a great upper-mid card wrestler, who as I said, could very easily be given a little nudge and become a main eventer.

You said it exactly, there was NO ONE ELSE for him to pick on, so he chose Christian. Cayuga, you have to get over the fact that Christian sucks and WON'T EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER hold ANY of the Championship Belts......................NEVER!!!! :roll:

Ya...except, oh I don't know :

10 WWE Tag Team Title Reigns(8 with Edge, one with Lance Storm, one with Chris Jericho)
3 Intercontinental Title Reigns
1 Hardcore Title Reign
1 Cruiserweight Title Reign
1 European Title Reign

You guys are fun though, keep thinking whatever you want. But I guarantee you now, Christian will hold a Heavyweight Title on whatever brand he's on at least once before his career ends.