draft advice...picking now

[Kaboominator]

I wonder if i can get a little consensus on my next two picks. based on who is left who would be your choice for my keeper team that is listed in sig..I pretty much already have a core of keepers so am looking more for winning players this year. any suggestions would be great..

Sakic
Kunitz
Lucic
Penner
McDonald
Stafford
Brunnstrom
Eaves
Comrie
Erat
M. Koivu
T. Ruutu
Tkachuk
Vermette
Kessel
O'Sullivan
Satan
Umberger
Brunnette
Samsonov
Christensen
Clowe
Ladd
Kotalik

Defense...

E. Johnson
Bieksa
Carle
Hainsey
Ohlund
Pitkanen
Timmonen
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
O'brien
Ranger
Bfyguglien

[moans]

ERic Johnson, Patty OSullivan and Phil Kessel are my targets for your next 2 picks.

[Kaboominator]

Thx Moans...I def had Kessel on the radar but was not sure about Johnson. It was either him or O'Brien as there arent many high PIM d guys left and at C i am almost full...Clowe was another guy..

[chgorman]

Sakic
Kunitz
Lucic
Penner
McDonald
Stafford
Brunnstrom
Eaves
Comrie
Erat
M. Koivu
T. Ruutu
Tkachuk
Vermette
Kessel
O'Sullivan
Satan
Umberger
Brunnette
Samsonov
Christensen
Clowe
Ladd
Kotalik

Defense...

E. Johnson
Bieksa
Carle
Hainsey
Ohlund
Pitkanen
Timmonen
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
O'brien
Ranger
Bfyguglien

These are the names that jumped out at me. Sorry I couldn't narrow it down any further for ya. I think Erat is your best bet on forward in term of producing the most this year, same deal with Timmonen on D. I think if you're able to grab those two guys, you'll be well on your way to a championship this season.

[WinnipegWingnut]

Probably EJ and Sakic for me, Joe has lots of gas left in the tank.

[Kaboominator]

You think Joe is gonna make it back? Col seems pretty depleted..What will St. Louis be like this year? will EJ QB the PP? who is above him on depth chart or is he the top?

[chgorman]

You think Joe is gonna make it back? Col seems pretty depleted..What will St. Louis be like this year? will EJ QB the PP? who is above him on depth chart or is he the top?

EJ will def be their top D next year offensively. Neither McKee, Brewer or Jackman are very offensive at all. EJ might not put up the numbers that Timmonen will put up this year, but he's def a guy who will be an elite D in a yr or two, and would be worth holding on to if you do decide to go with him over Timo or any of the other D available.

[WinnipegWingnut]

You think Joe is gonna make it back? Col seems pretty depleted..What will St. Louis be like this year? will EJ QB the PP? who is above him on depth chart or is he the top?

Oh shoot... I forgot Joe hasn't signed yet.

Maybe grab Erat then and get the LW/RW eligibility. Yes, EJ will be the PP QB, he was last year at times, but this year will have to take on a much larger role. No one is above him on the depth chart I believe. (Jackman, McKee, Brewer, Polak and Woywitka are the other D-man... so yes EJ is #1)

[$T$]

EJ or ANDY MAC For sure.

[chgorman]

EJ or ANDY MAC For sure.

EJ - yes

McDonald? He's a shell of his former self without Teemu, and STL isn't going to be ripping it up offensively this year. Neither will NSH, but Erat had better toals last year in fewer games. Not so sure McDonald is the way to go here.

[$T$]

McDonald? He's a shell of his former self without Teemu, and STL isn't going to be ripping it up offensively this year. Neither will NSH, but Erat had better toals last year in fewer games. Not so sure McDonald is the way to go here.[/quote]

Yeah he misses Teemu quite a bit, but I think he'll have a rebound year this year, I'm gonna be bold and say 70pts this season. Kariya/Mcdonald/Boyes should be a solid line for a full year. I like Erat as well but I made my choice based on his team in sig. He already has Malkin, Zetterburg and Kovalchuk (Maybe the 3 BEST LW's in the league)... He'll have to bench Erat a lot. As for his centers, I don't know how much longer Arnott has, and who knows what Sundin is doing.

As for point totals I think they'll be similar, I just picked Andy Mac for team depth.

[chgorman]

Yeah he misses Teemu quite a bit, but I think he'll have a rebound year this year, I'm gonna be bold and say 70pts this season. Kariya/Mcdonald/Boyes should be a solid line for a full year. I like Erat as well but I made my choice based on his team in sig. He already has Malkin, Zetterburg and Kovalchuk (Maybe the 3 BEST LW's in the league)... He'll have to bench Erat a lot. As for his centers, I don't know how much longer Arnott has, and who knows what Sundin is doing.

As for point totals I think they'll be similar, I just picked Andy Mac for team depth.

Fair enough, I agree that the Kariya/AMac/Boyes line should be solid, however I highly doubt Kaboom will be keeping any of Arnott, Andy Mac or Erat regardless, after this season, and even if Sundin retires, I don't see Andy Mac getting much time in his lineup either when he's also got Thornton, Jokinen and Backstrom. That, coupled with the fact that his biggest need right now is probably RW, and I believe Erat has dual LW/RW eligibility last year (could be wrong, and no guarantee he gets it this year), while AMac is a C and only a C, makes me think that Erat is probably his best option, unless maybe there's another decent RW on that list that I may have missed or not realized that he is a RW.

[Kaboominator]

Love the discussion fellas. Yea Andy Mac is a big question mark to me. I know that line is gonna be solid and i think St. Louis is headed in right direction but gorman is absolutely right. I am way overloaded at C and under at RW. Andy Mac was def on my radar but since hearing Roslton may be playing C that would def put me way over in C. I am thinking of either Kessel/Erat/Clowe for RW. Tough Decisions...And again i will not be keeping almost any of the players i drafted this year. I am assuming this will be my last year of Sundin so i need a replacement C and hopefully i get some break out candidates and have to make tough decisions next year when keepers must be decided.

[WinnipegWingnut]

and I believe Erat has dual LW/RW eligibility last year

Yep... he sure did, see my post above ;)

Edit: Looking at his team (smart move $T$), looks like D is the need. In that case EJ and Timonen for me.

[Kaboominator]

this is how the rosters are set up..

C,C,LW,LW,RW,RW,W,W,F,F,UTIL,UTIL,D,D,D,D,IR,IR

With the departure of Radulov im not too confident of my Arnott pick...and who knows what Sundin will do...Already two teams have lost keepers(Radulov and Jagr) I hope i'm not the third!

[$T$]

OH shit, I didn't know Erat was LW/RW... That changes things A LOT...

I would really like to know who determines position eligibilities for Yahoo. FFS I wish they would stay the same atleast! :)

D is needed more though, 4 spots and only 2 on your roster?!?! I hope you took EJ. Take a good look at Duncan Keith to.

[Kaboominator]

Ok so i took Timmonen and Umberger. I couldnt resist with Umberger..He is going to be centering Nash and Huselius. His point potential is huge! I know i am done at C but at least he can be a keeper to replace Sundin at C. Based on the forwards who were left i figured he had the potential to be the most valuable in the position he is in as well as being young and a potential keeper. I guess i may be gambling a bit but....

[WinnipegWingnut]

Good picks... I probably would have taken EJ over Timonen personally, but maybe he was taken by then.

[chgorman]

Ok so i took Timmonen and Umberger. I couldnt resist with Umberger..He is going to be centering Nash and Huselius. His point potential is huge! I know i am done at C but at least he can be a keeper to replace Sundin at C. Based on the forwards who were left i figured he had the potential to be the most valuable in the position he is in as well as being young and a potential keeper. I guess i may be gambling a bit but....

You better hope Rolston has right wing eligibility! :lol:

Between Thornton,Sundin, Backstrom,Jokinen, Arnott, Umberger,Zetterberg, Malkin,Brown, Rolston, you've got 10 guys who could potentially get C elegibility, but only 1 bonafide RW in Alffy. Brown will probably have RW eligibility, and Rolston may get it, but I believe Brown may have played more at C last year (although I could def be wrong), meaning he may not even get RW this yr. Just something to think about. you better be going RW RW with your next two picks, or at least RW and then another D, or something. WAY too many centers.

[WinnipegWingnut]

I believe Rolston, Brown and Zetts all had duel eligibility last year. Hopefully for Kaboom's sake they assign those eligibilities early.

Edit: I don't think Brown had C eligibility though, just RW/LW

[Kaboominator]

Lol when you put it that way..yea i better be drafting RW and D only from here on in. I really hope Rolston isnt C only! I'm pretty confident with Zetts and Malkin and there LW eligibility but i never really thought about Brown too much...hmm...well i guess there is always trades. One fella onyl has one center on his team. We may have to make a deal.

What do you guys think about this..

He has St. Louis and Zherdev with only Backstrom and Garon as goalies. His only centers are Horcoff and Antropov.

i could do one of two things...Offer say Arnott for Zherdev or Offer Turco for St.louis and then draft Conklin for the detroit duo to go along with Luongo. Opinions? I will post his roster...hurtin lookin team, hehe

Alexei Kovalev
Nik Antropov
Marco Sturm
Paul Kariya
Brian Rafalski
Mark Streit
Brenden Morrow
Alex Tanguay
Martin St. Louis
Simon Gagne
Shawn Horcoff
Nicholas Backstrom
Milan Hejduk
Nikolai Zherdev
Michal Roszival
Mathieu Garon
Pavel Kubina

[chgorman]

I believe Rolston, Brown and Zetts all had duel eligibility last year. Hopefully for Kaboom's sake they assign those eligibilities early.

Edit: I don't think Brown had C eligibility though, just RW/LW

Rolston was LW/RW eligible last year, but no guarantee he'll be both or either of them this year if he does end up playing C in Jersey. You're right on Brown, LW/RW last year. Sorry for misleading you Kaboom, thought he was mostly C last year, but maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. Zetts, for some reason, only had LW last year. Malkin had LW/C though, I believe.

Lol when you put it that way..yea i better be drafting RW and D only from here on in. I really hope Rolston isnt C only! I'm pretty confident with Zetts and Malkin and there LW eligibility but i never really thought about Brown too much...hmm...well i guess there is always trades. One fella onyl has one center on his team. We may have to make a deal.

What do you guys think about this..

He has St. Louis and Zherdev with only Backstrom and Garon as goalies. His only centers are Horcoff and Antropov.

i could do one of two things...Offer say Arnott for Zherdev or Offer Turco for St.louis and then draft Conklin for the detroit duo to go along with Luongo. Opinions? I will post his roster...hurtin lookin team, hehe

Alexei Kovalev
Nik Antropov
Marco Sturm
Paul Kariya
Brian Rafalski
Mark Streit
Brenden Morrow
Alex Tanguay
Martin St. Louis
Simon Gagne
Shawn Horcoff
Nicholas Backstrom
Milan Hejduk
Nikolai Zherdev
Michal Roszival
Mathieu Garon
Pavel Kubina

Given that I was mistaken on Brown, that takes a little bit of the heat off of your RW position, but you'll still need at least one more decent one in case Rolston doesn't get RW for whatever reason. I like either of those deals you mentioned. I like the Turco/St Lou deal, as it will give you two bonafide, top RW (still not convinced Zherdev is gonna live up to expectations), but that's assuming you can for sure get Conklin and another decent D with your next two picks. Otherwise, maybe give the Zherdev deal a shot, then pick the best avaialable RW and D left with your next two picks.

[WinnipegWingnut]

Yep... I like the Turco for St. Louis deal if you can get it done. See if can toss him Arnott for Zherdev too. But be sure you can get Conklin if you are going to part with Turco.

[Kaboominator]

Well my 7th and 8th round picks are comign up and again i am coming to you guys for your informative advice. You see my sig below and where i'm at. This is some of the top talent left.

Presently i have an offer our for St. Louis where i'd be giving up Turco, but besides that here is who is left...

Sakic
Lucic
Penner
Dubinsky
McDonald
Neil
Stafford
Brunnstrom
Eaves
Comrie
Erat
Perrin
T. Ruutu
Tkachuk
Vborny
Zajac
Kessel
Satan
Brunnette
Samsonov
Federov
Kotalik
Christensen
Clowe
Erikkson (paired with Richards?)

d-men...

Bieksa
Carle
Hainsey
Ohlund
Keith
Letang
Salo
Ehrhoff
O'Brien
Ranger
Coburn
Doughty
Byfuglien

what should my 2 picks be???


EDIT: whoa Wingnut..just noticed your post count...might want to ge that checked..pretty evil...

[Spartan]

I like Carle and either Erat to be safe or Satan if you want to speculate.

[WinnipegWingnut]

I like Carle and either Erat to be safe or Satan if you want to speculate.

I'm definitely thinking Carle as well, that TB PP should be ridiculous and with Boyle gone he should get one point spot. I myself would take a flyer on Satan... he'll be with either Crosby or Malkin and should benefit from that greatly.

[Kaboominator]

thanks fellas...

[Bogans]

Ok so i took Timmonen and Umberger. I couldnt resist with Umberger..He is going to be centering Nash and Huselius. His point potential is huge! I know i am done at C but at least he can be a keeper to replace Sundin at C. Based on the forwards who were left i figured he had the potential to be the most valuable in the position he is in as well as being young and a potential keeper. I guess i may be gambling a bit but....

Umberger centering Nash and Huselius, eh?? Doubtful since they both play LW, I don't think the plan is for them both to be on the same line, and I would question whether Umberger can beat out Derrik Brassard to be perfectly honest to center Nash. I think Brassard is much more creative with the puck, Umberger plays a very straight forward game and that he is ready to take that step.

[Kaboominator]

Umberger centering Nash and Huselius, eh?? Doubtful since they both play LW, I don't think the plan is for them both to be on the same line, and I would question whether Umberger can beat out Derrik Brassard to be perfectly honest to center Nash. I think Brassard is much more creative with the puck, Umberger plays a very straight forward game and that he is ready to take that step.


well i guess Hitchcock is just flappin his gums...

It looks like R.J. Umberger will be tried as the Blue Jackets number one center when training camp begins in September.
The Blue Jackets have been looking for a number one pivot for Rick Nash and Umberger should fit the bill. "(Nash) needs somebody to transport the puck through the neutral zone," head coach Ken Hitchcock said. "He needs somebody who can draw some of the attention away and help him create more scoring chances." Umberger had 37 assists and 50 points for the Flyers last season and looks to be the player that Hitchcock has in mind for the number one spot. Umberger's fantasy value will get a huge boost if he can fill the role. Look for a 25 goal, 75 point season from the former Ohio State great

Huselius may not be there but Nash will and thats good enough...For a 6th round gamble i'll take the chance as the dividends are huge..

[Bogans]

well i guess Hitchcock is just flappin his gums...

It looks like R.J. Umberger will be tried as the Blue Jackets number one center when training camp begins in September.
The Blue Jackets have been looking for a number one pivot for Rick Nash and Umberger should fit the bill. "(Nash) needs somebody to transport the puck through the neutral zone," head coach Ken Hitchcock said. "He needs somebody who can draw some of the attention away and help him create more scoring chances." Umberger had 37 assists and 50 points for the Flyers last season and looks to be the player that Hitchcock has in mind for the number one spot. Umberger's fantasy value will get a huge boost if he can fill the role. Look for a 25 goal, 75 point season from the former Ohio State great

Huselius may not be there but Nash will and thats good enough...For a 6th round gamble i'll take the chance as the dividends are huge..

Its possible, I just wouldn't count on it. I think Nash needs creativity on his line from the center position and to me that describes Derrik Brassard if he is ready for the position.

[Kaboominator]

I dont't know much about this fella..i think i should do some research. Is he an up'n comer? How old?

[chgorman]

I like Carle and either Erat to be safe or Satan if you want to speculate.

Completely agree. Carle should be a great 4th D for ya Kaboom, and I can't believe Erat is still even on the board. Satan would be a great pick right now too, although IMO he's a bit more of a roll of the dice than Erat given his inconsistency and lack of production over the past 4 or 5 seasons.

As for the Umberger/Brassard debate - I don't see Brassard jumping into the top line C position right off the bat in CBJ. If you can grab him with your final pick then I guess you could take a flier on him, but otherwise I'd just wait to see what he does for the first few weeks and pick him up as an FA if he does end up centering Nash. He is slated to be their top center eventually, but I don't see it happening this year, so I wouldn't waste a pick on him unless there's really nobody else to choose from.

[dw13]

Its possible, I just wouldn't count on it. I think Nash needs creativity on his line from the center position and to me that describes Derrik Brassard if he is ready for the position.

I agree, I think Umberger will skate with Huse. And I don't expect big numbers from either of them. Brassard/Nash will be a nice pairing.

[Kaboominator]

Well i guess its a gamble as i was reading Columbus fan forums on there projected lineups and not one person posted Umberger seperate from Nash. Brassard was always second line C with Modin/voracek/Hus/Torres. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the chemistry is like.

[Kaboominator]

Well fellas im coming up to my last two picks. Your input is much appreciated and has helped greatly. I am in need of a D-man and a RW. Preferrably one of the two will have higher PIM potential...here is who is left that sticks out...

Defense

Bieksa
Carle
Ohlund
Keith
Letang
Salo
Ehrhoff
O'Brien
Ranger
Coburn
Doughty
Byfuglien

Forward

Sakic
Lucic
Stafford
Brunnstrom
Eaves
Comrie
Erat
T. Ruuto
Tkachuk
Zajac
Kessel
Kotalik
Ladd
Erikkson

what would you do?

[chgorman]

I'd go with Bieksa and Erat. O'Brien will get you pims, but not much else. Carle is the best offensive D option there, but won't get many pims. Bieksa should get you a nice amt of both offence and pims.

None of those fwds you listed will be very good for pims except for maybe Tkachuk and Lucic, but I think Erat will help you more overall than either of those two will, so I'd go with him.

[alias]

Bieksa & Lucic. This is Lucic's year, I see him getting 50 points and 100 PIM's if he plays a full season. Erat will get slightly more points (60ish), but not nearly the PIM's