McNamee and Clemens in Congress

[nyihater4life]

Anybody else watching this? Pretty interesting so far.

[tomcat]

Doesn't congress have more important things to worry about than whether or not some dumb jock used steroids. . .unfucking real!

[Farmerbob42]

yup, about the same as when congress wanted to make all rap music officially 'obscene' haha. the country is in finical crisis, spending billions it doesn't have and at the moment this is the most important thing the can think to talk about, whether some guy stuck a needle in clemens' ass. . . I watched for a few mins, i wanted to catch some highlights, but nooo, this is way more important, gah, where clemens wouldn't answer to his changing his story haha, uh ooo

[two24four]

So we now know that McNamee has pretty much lied about everything else in the past, how are we to believe he's not lieing now? I dont know how anyone can take him seriously after hearing all this.

I'm not taking any sides here what so ever, Clemens also seems to be back tracking abit as well

[keys2aFranchise]

this is a joke- some of them should try to show at least a hint of impartiality.

Virginnia Fox gonna ask for Roger's autograph after?

[boredguy]

So we now know that McNamee has pretty much lied about everything else in the past, how are we to believe he's not lieing now? I dont know how anyone can take him seriously after hearing all this.

I'm not taking any sides here what so ever, Clemens also seems to be back tracking abit as well

Mcnamee doesn't come off as very credible but i'm more inclined to believe him than Clemens at this point. Clemens has come off horribly today, he doesn't answer questions he gives talking points. All he keeps saying is no i didn't do this, i've always been a good guy, hard working and won't people please think of the children repeated in different ways. His lawyers aren't helping him with always coaching him and trying to actually answer questions for him. The nanny thing is completely shady and every time Pettitte is mentioned Clemens just has no real rebuttal.

[boredguy]

this is a joke- some of them should try to show at least a hint of impartiality.

Virginnia Fox gonna ask for Roger's autograph after?

I liked the guy who called him a titan. Yeah, he didn't come into this with a completely made up mind.

[Mystical112]

Mcnamee doesn't come off as very credible but i'm more inclined to believe him than Clemens at this point. Clemens has come off horribly today, he doesn't answer questions he gives talking points. All he keeps saying is no i didn't do this, i've always been a good guy, hard working and won't people please think of the children repeated in different ways. His lawyers aren't helping him with always coaching him and trying to actually answer questions for him. The nanny thing is completely shady and every time Pettitte is mentioned Clemens just has no real rebuttal.

Also when Clemens doesnt remember. Where have we heard that before.
Oh well the hearing was interesting, McNamee got a lot of heat though.
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[nyihater4life]

Shit, I fell asleep at the end. Did they say they will determine whos telling the truth by today?

Seems like Clemens thinks before he speaks very carefully. He has done it before each question. McNamee seems pretty calm during his time to answer questions. No one believes Clemens story at ESPN who has been talking about it and watching it today and Congress isnt happy with Clemens with his arguements while the Chairman was talking and they dont believe his stories.

[King_Killah]

Did they say they will determine whos telling the truth by today?


It is up to the people to decide who is telling the truth. They weren't there to decide who was telling the truth and who wasn't. ...and it (at this point) will likely not be recommended to try Clemens on purgery. Something can change within the next couple of days though.

McNamee is a slimy, shady douche... He was a cop for how long and still he was OK with illegal drugs. Go f*ck off McNamee. I am not saying Clemens is clean here, but you can't use McNamee to try to bring Clemens down because McNamee is so full of shit a 24 pack of Scott tissue isn't enough to clean him up.

The whole time during the questioning, McNamee became short answered and almost looking for answers, while Clemens went the other way. He started out kinda shaky but built up confidence the longer it went.

I agree, BG, the nanny thing is pretty shady.

[Hockeyis#1]

This seems to be a tale of which one of the liars is credible....

It's Pot VS Kettle in a who's blacker contest....

[nyihater4life]

According to Newsday, Davis said that if they both lie deliberately, they will take further action into the case so we'll seee what happens tomorrow.


Why dont they just use a lie detector and get this over with:lol:

[keys2aFranchise]

McNamee is a slimy, shady douche... He was a cop for how long and still he was OK with illegal drugs. Go f*ck off McNamee. I am not saying Clemens is clean here, but you can't use McNamee to try to bring Clemens down because McNamee is so full of shit a 24 pack of Scott tissue isn't enough to clean him up.

Ok, McNamee is a bit of a slim and Clemens is a douche- but what about Pettite? I think Eliah Cummings nailed it- with I trust Petitte.


The whole time during the questioning, McNamee became short answered and almost looking for answers, while Clemens went the other way. He started out kinda shaky but built up confidence the longer it went. .

I thought McNamee tried to answered the questions - whereas Clemens tried to remind congress and viewers about all the great things he's done.

I mean come on- the one question to Clemens- "which hat are you going to wear into the Hall of Fame? "

[two24four]

I liked the guy who called him a titan. Yeah, he didn't come into this with a completely made up mind.

Yeah that, and what about the dude who asked him what jersey he was wearing into the hall :rolleyes: are you kidding me.

[nyrblue2]

"Mr. Clemens, you're one of my heroes, but it's awfully hard to believe you...."

Shut the fuck up....

[keys2aFranchise]

"Mr. Clemens, you're one of my heroes, but it's awfully hard to believe you...."

Shut the fuck up....

are you saying it's not?

[nyrblue2]

are you saying it's not?
No, I'm just agreeing that it's very lame how a lot of these committee members are BLATANTLY bringing their personal feelings into the proceedings. My interpretation of that quote is "Mr. Clemens....you're one of my heroes....so I'm going to try really hard to make it seem like you're telling the truth so the Yankees will win this year..."

[Snipes16]

Say what you want about McNamee but what a tool Clemens is for having his wife take the sword for him. She admits McNamee shoots her up with HGH in her own bedroom but Roger knows nothing about it? And so once he finds out about it, he keeps McNamee on the payroll?

My God, that arsehole Clemens has no dignity whatsoever.

I also loved that sworn affadavit from Canseco. I wonder what Jose the extortionist charges for something like that...20 or 30 G's?

His best friend (Pettitte) swears under oath that Roger admits to using HGH and his only excuse is Andy "misremembers"...uh, huh. Then today it comes out that GW Bush is likely to pardon him if he's convicted of perjury because he's close friends with GW's old man...that sounds about right.

[King_Killah]

Ok, McNamee is a bit of a slim and Clemens is a douche- but what about Pettite? I think Eliah Cummings nailed it- with I trust Petitte.




I thought McNamee tried to answered the questions - whereas Clemens tried to remind congress and viewers about all the great things he's done.

I mean come on- the one question to Clemens- "which hat are you going to wear into the Hall of Fame? "

When the guy asked the question, it was actually what uniform. ;) Which was followed up by Clemens stating can I state that I didn't hear that. Yeah I watched it.

See.....the whole thing, just like Bonds, boils down to being useless. It is ridiculous. Nothing can happen to any of his achievements in baseball because it was the "era' and baseball didn't take any proactive approach to this topic. Their fault. Everyone has to live with that. All this is doing is dragging out... bringing baseball down more so than any of the players. The Mitchell Report is being questioned itself. Waste of time, energy, and money... Everyone involved needs to shut the f*ck up and move on.

[keys2aFranchise]

...the whole thing, just like Bonds, boils down to being useless. It is ridiculous. Nothing can happen to any of his achievements in baseball because it was the "era' and baseball didn't take any proactive approach to this topic. Their fault. Everyone has to live with that. All this is doing is dragging out... bringing baseball down more so than any of the players. The Mitchell Report is being questioned itself. Waste of time, energy, and money... Everyone involved needs to shut the f*ck up and move on.

AMEN. Wonder how the Governor of California feels about the Government going after guys who used steroids?:eek: ;):D

[nyihater4life]

They were saying McNamee was more nervous then everyone saw. Someone(some report on the WFAN) said his legs were shaking under the table. Hmm...maybe he is lying? He seemed calm but he was a cop so I guess hes used to pressure.

[King_Killah]

They were saying McNamee was more nervous then everyone saw. Someone(some report on the WFAN) said his legs were shaking under the table. Hmm...maybe he is lying? He seemed calm but he was a cop so I guess hes used to pressure.

I watched a good portion of the thing and he looked shaky at best from the very beginning. I don't think he was calm at all.

[b_illin]

Good article showing how Clemens is a douche

http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/

Rocket Man: Doofus, We Have a Problem (http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/2009/04/rocket-man-doofus-we-have-a-problem.html)

I'm so glad, in hindsight, that Roger Clemens didn't like me at all by the time he orchestrated his way out of Toronto following the '98 season. Cito and I have something in common.

Roger’s act of being a super-patriot and all-American boy helped him out the first time he went up Capitol Hill to deny allegations of steroid use. Politicians were fawning all over him and asking for autographs. It was unseemly. By the next time he appeared before Congress, facing former Jays’ strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee in the court of public opinion, it was over.

How hypocritical does all of this Clemens stuff unfolding now make him look? Dan Duquette was right. Without artificial help, Clemens may very well have been in the twilight of his career by the time he left Boston following the ’96 season. But his ego wouldn’t allow someone else to be right about him.

Last summer in Boston as the Mindy McCready saga was unfolding about his relationship with the Fort Myers karaoke star turned country singer, the Boston Globe recounted in their city column how Clemens, when he entered the Hard Rock Café in Beantown with his wife Debbie, insisted that they stop the music and play Elton John’s Rocket Man. They clearly make things bigger in Texas…including a**holes. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Remember in ’98 when he dumps all over then Jays’ manager Tim Johnson for lying about service in Vietnam in clubhouse speeches. Experts suggest that the tales of Johnson's combat experience may have been, in fact, a traumatic reaction to his mortar training of young soldiers at Camp Pendleton, sending them off to active duty in Vietnam only to return in body bags, or not at all. Those lies are tragic. Clemens’ lies are pathetic.

There is no possible medical excuse for any of Clemens' apparent lies and misrepresentations. He just did not tell the truth and attempted to manipulate others because, in most cases, he could. Yet 12 years later, Johnson is the one that was fired in disgrace and blackballed from getting any other coaching job since, while at the same time the Rocket was allegedly sticking needles into his ass to extend his prime by another half decade, earning countless millions.
My favourite personal Clemens story involves a late February '97 round of golf that I had organized with Rocket, Erik Hanson and Pat Hentgen the purpose of which was a feature for the Star's golf magazine. The round was at the fabulous Innisbrook Resort after a morning workout (for them not me). I took my then 13-year-old son Matt with me to walk around the course with a couple of his sports heroes. It seemed easy enough. The Star was paying for the foursome and Clemens was living at Innisbrook. Simple. I was playing golf, riding with Hentgen and taking mental notes, figuring to talk to those other guys, before we teed off, on tees and greens.

Wrong!

Right away, it became a struggle. Our tee time had passed and Clemens, even though his condo was three minutes from the first tee, had not arrived. Maybe it was karaoke day somewhere. We let a couple of groups tee off ahead of us and finally the Rocket showed, like a heavyweight champ emerging from his dressing room. Star-struck, a foursome of bandy-legged Bostonians greeted him on the tee like a Greek god, fawning all over him and telling him how great he was and why did he leave Boston for a baseball backwater like Toronto.

Hentgen, Matthew (my son) and I stood on the back of the first tee patiently waiting while Rocket went through his stretching and signing. Hentgen was clearly amused.

Finally one of the New England enablers came back to stand with us as Roger planted his tee and took a couple of practice swings. “And what do you do?” he asked Pat. “I’m just last year’s Cy Young winner,” he smiled. Game on.

The round wasn’t at all what I imagined. It was like we were playing separate twosomes. While Pat and I were playing from rough and traps and scrambling for bogey, Rocket and Hanson were playing fairway to green, out-driving our cart by 30 yards, putting out and driving off to the next tee while we finished up. The only time I likely attracted their attention was after three-putting the 17th hole (my 10th three-putt), I dropped a healthy F-bomb and helicoptered the offending club, glinting wildly in the late afternoon sun, out into the middle of a nearby pond. After a stunned 10-second pause in their conversation, they resumed and sped off to the 18th tee.

On the final hole, Hanson from the middle of the fairway airmailed a six-iron directly over the flag, rattling around halfway up a stand of giant trees behind the green. He thinned it. He looked over at Roger and said, “That yardage marker is wrong.” Rocket agreed. No, it couldn’t have been the wrong club or swing. That year, Hanson appeared in three games for the Jays, while bringing his golf clubs on every road trip. In fact, it turns out he made $3 million more for playing golf than Tiger Woods in that, his sophomore year. Tiger only played three fewer major-league games.

To cap the day off, Matt had brought a baseball with him to get the autographs of the two Cy Young Award winners, together. Nice souvenir. First he got Hentgen to sign, then while we stood by the golf carts waiting for Rocket to finish schmoozing in the pro shop, probably setting up his next free round, Hanson spotted the ball grasped tightly in Matt’s hand. He grabbed it and signed it on the sweet spot. D-ohh! The value of a Hanson, Hentgen and Clemens ball? That’s like finding out your house is built over a nuclear waste site.
In any case, something good happened that day. My son realized that he wanted to be like Pat Hentgen and that was only a good thing.