Team analysis please?

[chgorman]

Just joined a league with some friends last minute yesterday, draft was last night, didn't have time to pre-rank, and couldn't get live draft to work on my POS comp, so this team was autodrafted. 12 teams, I had 12th pick. H2H, mostly standard cats I think, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1WR/RB flex, 1WR/TE flex, 1K, 1DEF, 2DB, 2DL, 5BN. Got lucky with Gore and Rudi falling to me at 12&13, and Fitz with the last pick in the 3rd, but other than that, not a very good auto draft. I'm pissed cause the auto draft picked me a bunch of D players I've never heard of, when there were tons of better offensive AND defensive guys available :rolleyes:. Anyways, here's the team:

QB - Romo
RB - Gore, R.Johnson
WR - Fitzgerald, Colston
TE - Whitten
WR/TE - Ward
WR/RB - Norwood
K - Graham
DEF - CAR
DB/DL - not even gonna list, as you've never heard of them
BN - L.White (RB)
BN - K.Jones (RB)
BN - T.Porter (WR)
BN - R.Curry (WR)
BN - Garcia (QB)

Mostly I'm worried about Norwood, my entire bench, and my DB/DL situation.

Here are some notable players still available:

QB: Harrington, T.Jackson, Leftwich, Culpepper - replace Garcia with any of these guys?

RB: M.Bell, C.Brown, Davenport, A.Thomas - Replace Norwood, L.White or KJ with any of these guys? Should I handcuff C.Brown to White somehow?

WR: Kennison, Jenkins, B.Marshall, Jurevicius, Matt Jones - replace Porter or Curry with any of these guys, or just drop Porter or Curry to add a different position?

TE: G.Olsen, Z.Miller, Pollard, D.Martin, M.Lewis, M.Gaines, D.Graham - won't drop Witten, but could replace a RB or WR with one of these TE.

K: Scobee, Nedney, Feely, Reed, Mare - happy with Graham, would probably only take one of these guys to keep them off the market, so probably not worth it.

DEF: NYJ, MIN, IND, GB, OAK - any of these an improvement over CAR, or worth adding to take them off the market?

DB - tons available, as anybody who had their team autodrafted got a bunch of nuthin'. R.Barber, G.Wilson, A.Winfiled, B.Dawk, K.Rhodes, D.Bly, R.Mathis, R.Williams, many others - never used DBs in a pool before, so I need a lot of help here. Need to replace 2 DBs

DL - Again, tons available for reasons mentioned above - D.Ryans, AJ Hawk, Bulluck, A. Thomas, W. Witherspoon, A.Pierce, L.Briggs, Tatupu, L.Little, D.Brooks, to name a few. Need to replace 2 DL.

So seeing as this is only my 2nd yr in FF, I could use a little advice, especially on the defensive players, and what sort of strategy I should be using for my bench, I.E. is it wise to carry 2 TE or 2K or 2DEF. Should I grab a bunch of the solid DL and DB while they're still available, stash 'em on my bench and hold 'em for ransom? I'm pretty clueless when it comes these aspects of manipulating my bench or lineup in general, so any comments greatly appreciated. Thx in advance guys. Sorry for the long message. Figured this was better than breaking it up into a few smaller msgs and crowding the forum.

[chgorman]

Oh, and I've got 1st waiver priority, so don't want to waste it. I'm thinking I've got to go with a DL first, as none of the offensive players available interest me all that much, so right now I've got Demeco Ryans tabbed with my first waiver pick, however if it would be smarter to grab a 2nd TE, DEF or K instead (given the plethora of DL/DB still avaialble), then I'll do that. Thoughts? Should I go with somebody else over Ryans, like Bulluck, Pierce, Hawk, Briggs, Witherspoon?

[FlyGuy78]

Drop
White -- Lost his job to C.Brown
Jones -- Lost his job to T.Bell
Curry -- he's good, but OAK is not. I would only hold onto their #1, Porter.

Pickup
M.Bell -- T.Henry is slightly hurt and we all know how patient Shannahan is!!
C.Brown -- he's now the starter in TEN
M.Jones -- he's going into magical 3rd year

DB - G.Wilson, BDawk, and RWilliams
DL - D.Ryans, Bulluck, Hawk

[chgorman]

Thx Fly!

If it makes any diff, here is the scoring layout:

Stat Categories:Passing Yards (25 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Tackle Solo (1)
Sack (4)
Interception (4)
Fumble Force (1)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (3)
Pass Defended (1)
Block Kick (4)

[FlyGuy78]

WOW, looking at the scoring cats now I would look at defensive backs who get INT a lot like Woodson, Bailey, Samuel (if he signed), Walt Harris. These guys usually get a lot of INT and Passes Defended. For lineman/linebackers, I would look for those that get a lot of sacks. Merriman, Sapp, Schobel, Taylor, Kampmann. I know that most of these guys are taken, but look at how the guys left did last year in the scoring and go from there. NEVER EVER use Yahoo rankings for IDP. Always sort by scoring.

[eff1ngham]

Don't burn that waiver on a defensive player, there will be plenty of good defensive players. Save it for something better.

I'd definitely get rid of LenDale White and Curry.

If Tatum Bell is available then pick him up. If not, I'd grab Mike Bell, he'll get playing time this year.

Hold onto Norwood for now.

Grab Chris Brown for Tennessee, he's probably going to start.

Garcia is fine for a backup, none of the other guys are going to do much better.

I'd also grab Brandon Marshall. He's the #2 guy in Denver and he's looking like he'll have a good year. He's not called Baby TO because of attutude problems.

For DBs, I'd start with Roy Williams of Dallas if that's the one that's available, and probably Dre Bly since he causes a lot of turnovers every year.

For DL, Bulluck would be my first choice, then Ryans, then Pierce (of the Giants) and then Tatupu

[chgorman]

thx a ton guys! All the input is great.

So, not to question the guys who actually know what they're doing, but C Brown's previous injury history doesn't worry you two guys?

And from the sounds of it, I shouldn't bother with a 2nd TE or DEF?

I've been sorting IDP by fantasy points (both last year's toatals, as well as this year's projections). Is that what you mean, Fly? How accurate are Yahoo's projections?

Brandon Marshall - never heard of him. He a rook? Lots of hype it sounds like. I'll definitely give him some consideration.

No love for Hawk, eh eff?

thx again guys!

[eff1ngham]

This is Brandon Marshall's second year. He's Denver's #2 reciever because Rod Smith will most likely miss the first few weeks of the season. He looked good last year, and should have a good year this year.

And yes, sort IDP by last years numbers, I probably wouldn't even look at the projections from this year because Yahoo sometimes screws those up as well.

AJ Hawk is probably fine as well. Try for Bulluck and Ryans first though, I think Hawk Tatupu and Pierce will probably have about the same stats

Edit: oh yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about Brown's injury concearns at this point. He's at least worth picking up to start the year

[FlyGuy78]

C.Brown's injury do worry me, but for now he's healthy and the #1.

You NEVER need a 2nd TE or DEF until the week you need them. You can always find a good matchup from the WW on any given week.

Yes, sort the players by how they scored last year, not by rankings. Yahoo rankings of IDP is as gay as Doctego going down on King Killah.

Yes, B.Marshall is a rookie and should do well in the future, I'm just not a fan of taking rookie WR. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME EXPLAIN!!

Hawk imo will do fine since I think the GB defense will be on the field a lot!! :lol:

[eff1ngham]

Brandon Marshall isn't a rookie

[chgorman]

You guys rock!

Okay, so with my 1st waiver, do I go after C.Brown? M. Bell? Marshall? Somebody else? Any thoughts on Eddie Kennison? Would Marshall still be a better option than him?

[eff1ngham]

Yes. Eddie Kennison is not going to do anything this year, don't waste your time on him.

I'd probably use the top waiver on Brown. Not on anyone else though. And even then you may be able to just snag him when he becomes a FA though

[FlyGuy78]

Brandon Marshall isn't a rookie

yeah, my bad. He was a rook last year.

[chgorman]

Okay, so one of the other guys is lousy at RB, and is asking if I'll give him Rudi or KJ. I said no to Rudi, but told him he could have K.Jones. there's not much on his roster who I'd be interested in (or who he would be willing to trade) other than his DB/DLs, who he has a few extra of (he actually drafted his own team, so he got some pretty solid defensive guys, not sure why he didn't grab a few decent RBs while he was at it).

With all the D talent still available onthe waiver wire, does it make sense for me to trade KJ for a defensive player like A.Wilson, D.Ware or B.Scott, or would he even go for that? I'd be willing to throw in White too, if that were more fair, just not sure if that's too much, too little still, or if he'd go for that either.

What do you guys think? Give him KJ for a defensive player if I can make it happen, or see what DB/DLs I can get off the waiver wire first before making any deals?

[two24four]

Mostly I'm worried about Norwood, my entire bench, and my DB/DL situation.



I would not be worried about Norwood, IMO he could be one of the biggest sleeper picks this year, I think he will have a pretty good year, hold onto too him for sure.

[Dubz]

How does Gore fall to 12th?:wtf::confused::wtf:

I think most will say wait for the WW to open.....it worked for me earlier this year

[b_illin]

Just joined a league with some friends last minute yesterday, draft was last night, didn't have time to pre-rank, and couldn't get live draft to work on my POS comp, so this team was autodrafted. 12 teams, I had 12th pick. H2H, mostly standard cats I think, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1WR/RB flex, 1WR/TE flex, 1K, 1DEF, 2DB, 2DL, 5BN. Got lucky with Gore and Rudi falling to me at 12&13, and Fitz with the last pick in the 3rd, but other than that, not a very good auto draft. I'm pissed cause the auto draft picked me a bunch of D players I've never heard of, when there were tons of better offensive AND defensive guys available :rolleyes:. Anyways, here's the team:

QB - Romo
RB - Gore, R.Johnson
WR - Fitzgerald, Colston
TE - Whitten
WR/TE - Ward
WR/RB - Norwood
K - Graham
DEF - CAR
DB/DL - not even gonna list, as you've never heard of them
BN - L.White (RB)
BN - K.Jones (RB)
BN - T.Porter (WR)
BN - R.Curry (WR)
BN - Garcia (QB)

Mostly I'm worried about Norwood, my entire bench, and my DB/DL situation.

Here are some notable players still available:

QB: Harrington, T.Jackson, Leftwich, Culpepper - replace Garcia with any of these guys?

RB: M.Bell, C.Brown, Davenport, A.Thomas - Replace Norwood, L.White or KJ with any of these guys? Should I handcuff C.Brown to White somehow?

WR: Kennison, Jenkins, B.Marshall, Jurevicius, Matt Jones - replace Porter or Curry with any of these guys, or just drop Porter or Curry to add a different position?

TE: G.Olsen, Z.Miller, Pollard, D.Martin, M.Lewis, M.Gaines, D.Graham - won't drop Witten, but could replace a RB or WR with one of these TE.

K: Scobee, Nedney, Feely, Reed, Mare - happy with Graham, would probably only take one of these guys to keep them off the market, so probably not worth it.

DEF: NYJ, MIN, IND, GB, OAK - any of these an improvement over CAR, or worth adding to take them off the market?

DB - tons available, as anybody who had their team autodrafted got a bunch of nuthin'. R.Barber, G.Wilson, A.Winfiled, B.Dawk, K.Rhodes, D.Bly, R.Mathis, R.Williams, many others - never used DBs in a pool before, so I need a lot of help here. Need to replace 2 DBs

DL - Again, tons available for reasons mentioned above - D.Ryans, AJ Hawk, Bulluck, A. Thomas, W. Witherspoon, A.Pierce, L.Briggs, Tatupu, L.Little, D.Brooks, to name a few. Need to replace 2 DL.

So seeing as this is only my 2nd yr in FF, I could use a little advice, especially on the defensive players, and what sort of strategy I should be using for my bench, I.E. is it wise to carry 2 TE or 2K or 2DEF. Should I grab a bunch of the solid DL and DB while they're still available, stash 'em on my bench and hold 'em for ransom? I'm pretty clueless when it comes these aspects of manipulating my bench or lineup in general, so any comments greatly appreciated. Thx in advance guys. Sorry for the long message. Figured this was better than breaking it up into a few smaller msgs and crowding the forum.

QB: I'd stick with Garcia

RB: I'd drop Curry for Brown if he is available. You could drop Jones, but he is high upside if his mysterious foot heals and he can play this year. I think you're alright with Norwood...remember, whoever has Dunn may want him...

WR: Drop Curry as you already have 4 good guys ahead of him. There is also a lot of depth it seems at WR, so chances are decent you can find a suitable replacement (if there is an injury) through the waiver wire.

Stick with your TE, K, DEF & look at the IDP guys I bolded.

All in all, not a bad team.

Edit: I heard Marshall is starting on the PUP list which cooled my interest.

Also, I wouldn't trade Jones for IDP players as there are tonneds of great guys that will soon be FA's and the pt difference between the top guy and a middle guy is so slim, it doesn't make much of a difference. Who are his WR, RB, TE & QB?

[chgorman]

How does Gore fall to 12th?:wtf::confused::wtf:

I think most will say wait for the WW to open.....it worked for me earlier this year

I dunno, was wondering the same thing myself. And Rudi to 13? A little more understandable, but still...

It was kinda weird. Manning went first overall, followed by LT,LJ,SJ, then Palmer, Westbrook, Addai, alexander, Parker, Brees, Bush. then I got Gore and Rudi at 12&13.

[two24four]

I dunno, was wondering the same thing myself. And Rudi to 13? A little more understandable, but still...

It was kinda weird. Manning went first overall, followed by LT,LJ,SJ, then Palmer, Westbrook, Addai, alexander, Parker, Brees, Bush. then I got Gore and Rudi at 12&13.

That is abit of a weird 1st round, the guy at #4 must have loved getting SJ, nice for you as well getting Gore, that's a steal.

[chgorman]

So sounds like the concensus vote is to hold onto Norwood, Porter and Garcia, don't worry about a 2nd TE, DEF or K, dump Lenny White and Ronnie Curry, for two of Chris Brown, Mike Bell, or Brandon Marshall. This sound right?

So I still need to figure out what to do with KJ (keep? trade? drop?), and what to do about my IDPs (trade for one, or wait for waivers?).

Thx for all the help guys. Much appreciated.

[b_illin]

So sounds like the concensus vote is to hold onto Norwood, Porter and Garcia, don't worry about a 2nd TE, DEF or K, dump Lenny White and Ronnie Curry, for two of Chris Brown, Mike Bell, or Brandon Marshall. This sound right?

So I still need to figure out what to do with KJ (keep? trade? drop?), and what to do about my IDPs (trade for one, or wait for waivers?).

Thx for all the help guys. Much appreciated.

I would caution against dropping White as there is still some pre-season to be played. Perhaps pick up Brown and hang on to both until the situation is clearer. Keep KJ...unless a great deal comes along. The dude with Tatum Bell should be interested in KJ...

IDP's can be grabbed once they become FA's. As I said, the difference after the top few guys is so slim it isn't worth using your #1...they should be FA's sometime soon, pick them up then.

[chgorman]

Yeah, sorry, I'm missed the edit on your post b_, until just now. Maybe I'll hold off on making any serious trades until the first set of waivers are done and I can grab some Def players as FAs.

My thinking with KJ is that he doesn't have much value to me with Gore, Rudi and Norwood ahead of him on my depth chart, along with the associated injury risk and fact that he'll be fighting Tatum AND Duckett for carries, so if I can get a top defensive guy like A.Wilson for him, who will start for me (as opposed to possibly dropping KJ or having him waste away on my bench), that might be better for me than plucking somebody off waivers or FA, but if the difference between the top defensive players and mid defensive players is as small as you're making it out to be, then maybe you're right.

In regards to your edit on your previous post - the guy who wants Rudi or KJ has the following lineup (in the order that he drafted them in, just 'cause that's easiest list to copy & paste):

1.(10)Drew Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479)2.(15)Marvin Harrison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3514)3.(34)Reggie Wayne (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5477)4.(39)Tony Gonzalez (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3950)5.(58)Julius Jones (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6802)6.(63)DeAngelo Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7776)7.(82)Brett Favre (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1025)8.(87)San Diego (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sdg)9.(106)Alex Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7177)10.(111)Donte' Stallworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5899)11.(130)DeMarcus Ware (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7187)12.(135)Ladell Betts (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5942)13.(154)Ray Lewis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3542)14.(159)Bart Scott (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6165)15.(178)Chris McAlister (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4658)16.(183)Jason Hanson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2034)17.(202)Eric Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6255)18.(207)Adrian Wilson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5511)19.(226)Drew Bennett (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5798)

as you can see, not much to choose from other than his DB/DLs

Guy with Tatum has the following (so looks like he could use KJ, as his RB are weak, just not sure who I could get in return, or who I'd even want. You think I could get Chambers from him for KJ? Probably not eh?):

1.(5)Carson Palmer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6337)2.(20)T.J. Houshmandzadeh (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5652)3.(29)Deuce McAllister (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5470)4.(44)Todd Heap (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5478)5.(53)Santana Moss (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5463)6.(68)Tatum Bell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6800)7.(77)Terry Glenn (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3515)8.(92)Miami (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/mia)9.(101)Chris Chambers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5499)10.(116)Matt Stover (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1078)11.(125)Shawn Barber (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4342)12.(140)Bob Sanders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6803)13.(149)Chester Taylor (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6142)14.(164)Johnathan Joseph (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7773)15.(173)Justin Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5451)16.(188)Trent Green (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2547)17.(197)Ben Troupe (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6799)18.(212)Rob Bironas (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7434)19.(221)Cincinnati (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/cin)

[b_illin]

Try KJ for Betts perhaps with the first guy...you can then see if the Portis owner will make a deal. (I like Betts' upside more than KJ this year).

The second guy I would try to see if you can upgrade at a position (WR for example) by trading back a lesser player at the same position and throw in KJ.

Remember though, you do not need to make deals...yet. Your team looks pretty good, so I think you can gamble on KJ...you either will get nada for him if he is PUP, but if he can play, then he is the top RB in DET. Tatum is good, but he is easily behind a healthy KJ unless something odd happens...remember, a healthy KJ would likely be a top 15 pick int he draft. Hang on to him for now, cross your fingers and you may get a nice payday in a couple weeks.

[chgorman]

Try KJ for Betts perhaps with the first guy...you can then see if the Portis owner will make a deal. (I like Betts' upside more than KJ this year).

The second guy I would try to see if you can upgrade at a position (WR for example) by trading back a lesser player at the same position and throw in KJ.

Remember though, you do not need to make deals...yet. Your team looks pretty good, so I think you can gamble on KJ...you either will get nada for him if he is PUP, but if he can play, then he is the top RB in DET. Tatum is good, but he is easily behind a healthy KJ unless something odd happens...remember, a healthy KJ would likely be a top 15 pick int he draft. Hang on to him for now, cross your fingers and you may get a nice payday in a couple weeks.

Sounds good, maybe I'll just hold on to him for now.

Not seriously considering this, just throwing this out as an idea I've been tossing around for the past few minutes.... Ted Ginn... lots of potential, and is a return man (return tds are 6 pts)... anybody giving him any consideration for their team this year? Just throwing it out there... I don't think he's a serious option at all, just want to see what others think.

[two24four]

Sounds good, maybe I'll just hold on to him for now.

Not seriously considering this, just throwing this out as an idea I've been tossing around for the past few minutes.... Ted Ginn... lots of potential, and is a return man (return tds are 6 pts)... anybody giving him any consideration for their team this year? Just throwing it out there... I don't think he's a serious option at all, just want to see what others think.

Looks like Ginn as been demoted too 3rd string kickoff-return specialist, and he's not even in the wideout rotation, this from....yahoosports

[chgorman]

Looks like Ginn as been demoted too 3rd string kickoff-return specialist, and he's not even in the wideout rotation, this from....yahoosports

:lol: That's hilarious. Guess we won't be seieng much outta him then, at least not in the early going.

[two24four]

:lol: That's hilarious. Guess we won't be seieng much outta him then, at least not in the early going.

Nope, and like I said in the other thread, this is why it's even more of a joke that they took Ginn with the 9th overall pick over taking Quinn who was right there for them, who could be there QB for many years, dont get me wrong being a Pats fan I'm happy Quinn is not in the divsion, but what a stupid move by Miami.

[chgorman]

Yeah, it's tough being a Dolfan, for sure. Pretty much ever since Dan left. On top of that, my 2nd fave is the Lions... I'm a glutton for punishment when it comes to football. Oh well, at least the Wings and the Spurs win consistently, and the Raps are on the way up.

So no Ginn then for now... that's too bad, I was hoping he'd get some significant time this year. He's got the tools.

[chgorman]

How valuable is 1st waiver priority? I'm having a tough time judging it. Should I save it for a later date in case some situations change over the next week or so, or somebody big becomes available a couple weeks into the season? Or should I use it right away on somebody like C.Brown? I've only been in a league with waivers once, so the concept is semi new to me. Should I use it right away, or save it?

[b_illin]

Save it

[chgorman]

So what happens once waivers have passed? Everybody becomes FA, free to add/drop without having to go through waivers?

[FlyGuy78]

So what happens once waivers have passed? Everybody becomes FA, free to add/drop without having to go through waivers?

yes. That is what WW priority is for. If a player gets dropped, he gets put on Waivers for 2 days (that is default) and whoever has the highest priority and puts a ADD in for him will get him. You must wait until the waiver period is over so the computer can see who has the highest priority of all the teams that put in for him. He then goes to that team. Your priority will then drop to 10 or 12 (the amount of teams in the league) if you get him. Once he clears waivers and becomes a FA, he's up for grabs to anyone at that time. The transaction will be done instantly. WW priority is not a factor and will not change.

[chgorman]

yes. That is what WW priority is for. If a player gets dropped, he gets put on Waivers for 2 days (that is default) and whoever has the highest priority and puts a ADD in for him will get him. You must wait until the waiver period is over so the computer can see who has the highest priority of all the teams that put in for him. He then goes to that team. Your priority will then drop to 10 or 12 (the amount of teams in the league) if you get him. Once he clears waivers and becomes a FA, he's up for grabs to anyone at that time. The transaction will be done instantly.

Okay, cool. thx Fly. So say some guy with #12 waiver priority in a 12 team league figures he's got nothing to lose, so puts in a bunch of waiver claims on all the best guys still available. Does he get all his waiver claims filled before I get a chance at the same guys on FA?

[FlyGuy78]

Okay, cool. thx Fly. So say some guy with #12 waiver priority in a 12 team league figures he's got nothing to lose, so puts in a bunch of waiver claims on all the best guys still available. Does he get all his waiver claims filled before I get a chance at the same guys on FA?

If he is the ONLY person to put a claim in on all those players, then yes, he would get them all, but that is only if noone else put a claim in. Let's see if this helps you out.

Let's say you have #4 WW priority and I have #12. You place your transactions in order of preference. So say you put in an add for Priest Holmes (1st) and Jesse Chatman (2nd) and I do the same thing. You will end up with Holmes since you have the higher priority, but you then instantly become #12 WW after you get Holmes, moving me to #11. I would then get Chatman since I now have a higher priority than you (assuming noone else put a claim in for him). As soon as I got Chatman, I would move to #12, you would be #11. When you get someone off of waivers, you move to the bottom, moving everyone else up one spot.

Now let's say that when it came to Chatman, the two of us were not the only teams to put a claim in for Chatman. Let's say WW #5 put a claim in for him. That team would then get Chatman over me since he is #5, I am #11, and you are now #12. He would then be moved to #12, you would be #11, and I would be #10. I'm pretty sure that leagues like Yahoo finalize WW transactions in order of WW priority.

[chgorman]

If he is the ONLY person to put a claim in on all those players, then yes, he would get them all, but that is only if noone else put a claim in. Let's see if this helps you out.

Let's say you have #4 WW priority and I have #12. You place your transactions in order of preference. So say you put in an add for Priest Holmes (1st) and Jesse Chatman (2nd) and I do the same thing. You will end up with Holmes since you have the higher priority, but you then instantly become #12 WW after you get Holmes, moving me to #11. I would then get Chatman since I now have a higher priority than you (assuming noone else put a claim in for him). As soon as I got Chatman, I would move to #12, you would be #11. When you get someone off of waivers, you move to the bottom, moving everyone else up one spot.

Now let's say that when it came to Chatman, the two of us were not the only teams to put a claim in for Chatman. Let's say WW #5 put a claim in for him. That team would then get Chatman over me since he is #5, I am #11, and you are now #12. He would then be moved to #12, you would be #11, and I would be #10. I'm pretty sure that leagues like Yahoo finalize WW transactions in order of WW priority.

Okay, I understand that, but I guess what I'm asking is whats stopping somebody from putting in a bunch of waiver claims on a bunch of guys and steaaling them all before they go to FA?

Here's what I'm getting at: Say I use my #1 waiver on C.Brown and drop Curry. Then, since I'm last on the list and can't get any lower, and I want to get Marshall and get rid of White, and then get rid of my four no name defensive players and replace them with some of the awesome defensive players still available, I put in a waiver claim for Marshall, and then more claims for, say, the top 25 DBs and top 25 DLs, knowing that no matter what, I'll have first shot at those guys over everybody else who is just waiting for them to becaome FA.

See what I'm getting at? Is there anything stopping me from doing that? Is it unethical or frowned upon? I definitely don;t want to be the league a-hole, especially after just joining yesterday last minute, but I also want to do what's best for my team, and if doing it this way means I get first shot at the guys I want over others who are waiting out waivers for FA time or are only making a few claims, would it make any sense to do this?

[Dubz]

I f want to use your priority and put in a waiver claim on ten guys...do so.
There is nothing assholic (is that a word) about it. It takes time and thought. Be prepared others will probably do the same if they feel these needs. Do what you need to, I wouldn't be offended if I wanted players and you got them because i didnt put a claim in for them....thats my fault!

[FlyGuy78]

But if you have first priority, you will only get ONE of the players that you and other teams put in on. So if ALL 12 teams bid for the same 12 players in the same order of preference, then the team with #1 priority would get the first guy on the list (and would immediately be #12, moving everyone up one spot) and so now the #2 guy (who is now the #1 guy by default since you used your priority) gets the second guy in line. Rinse and repeat. So no, you can't use your #1 priority on multiple players. You would become #12 after the first guy and would then only get the other players on your list if noone else bid on them.

[chgorman]

But if you have first priority, you will only get ONE of the players that you and other teams put in on. So if ALL 12 teams bid for the same 12 players in the same order of preference, then the team with #1 priority would get the first guy on the list (and would immediately be #12, moving everyone up one spot) and so now the #2 guy (who is now the #1 guy by default since you used your priority) gets the second guy in line. Rinse and repeat. So no, you can't use your #1 priority on multiple players. You would become #12 after the first guy and would then only get the other players on your list if noone else bid on them.

I understand this part. No prblems there. I'm talkign about something else though.

I guess I need to get this figured out first: Is there only one round of waivers? Or do waivers continue as long as there are claims in on guys. i.e. say six of the 12 teams put in a claim, me being one of them, but I put in two claims. My first claim is filled, and the other guys claims are filled. Does it then start another round of waivers because I've still got another claim in, or is it just one round?

Maybe I didn't explain it very well earlier. I'll try again.

I want to drop Curry and pick up Marshall, and then drop my 4 no name IDPs and pick up some of the talent that is still available. So I use my #1 claim on Marshall, and then slide down to #12.

Say, I dunno, 6 other teams have put in a few claims on various guys... they get their claims filled, so I move up to middle of the pack in terms of order, and the 6 guys who didn't submit a claim (because they're happy with their team, or forgot to submit a claim, whatever) are now at the top of the order (keeping in mind me and a few others still have unfilled claims).

From here, does another round of waivers start if there are still unfilled claims in? If so, then the top 6 in order stay there, since they don't have a claim in, and it comes to me first, and I've still got a bunch of claims in on various guys, so I get my top priority, and those who still have a claim or two in for guys who are still available (lets say 3 other guys still have claims in), get one of theirs filled, so after my claim is filled, I move to #12, but the three other guys behind me get their cliams filled, and bump me up to #9.

I'm back up to #9 spot going into the third round of waivers, with 8 teams ahead of me who don't have any claims in, and I still have a bunch of claims in on guys who are still available. So I get my top priority guy at that point, move down to #12 priority again, but one of the other guys that was behind me still has a claim in a an available guy. So he gets his cliam filled, and bumps me up to #11 going into the fourth round of waivers.

So now were at the 4th round of waivers, I'm at #11 priority, I still have a few claims in on available guys as I still need 2 more IDPS, and nobody else has a cliam in. So I get my top priority at this point, and move down to #12, which at this point is essentially the same as #1, since nobody else has any more claims in. Because nobody ahead of me in the order still has a claim, I automatically get my next priority, and through this whole process, I've filled all my holes through waivers without letting the guys I wanted go to FA, where everybody who decided not to place waiver claims or forgot, can have a shot at them.

Is this a little more clear now? Is this even possible? The main point is that if I put in enough claims that eventually I'm the only one with claims in, then it'll essentially be the same as me plucking guys off FA, but I'm doing it before they get to FA status, thus getting first shot at them over guys waiting for them to become FA.

Obviously, if there's only one round of waivers per week or whatever, then this isn't possible, however if waivers continue to run as long as theres claims in for available guys, then I don't see why this wouldn't work. Just a question of if it's unethical or not, or if I'll be labelled as the league douche for doing it.

I've already got claims in the top 12 DBs and top 13 DLs, so I figure that should be enough to fill all my IDP holes, as only 6 of the teams need IDPs like I do, so 12 claims for each position should be enough to fill 2 holes at each position I would have to figure, however I'll cancel them if you guys feel what I'm doing here is ignorant/cheesy/unethical/etc. As far as I know, it's not against the rules, I'm just not sure I'm actually able to do it this way, or if I should.

[FlyGuy78]

In general leagues Waivers only last for the first 2-3 days after the league has been drafted. After that waiver period, everyone becomes FA. The only way a player can be put back on waivers is if he is dropped by a team. He then gets put on Waivers for 2 days (or so) to see if someone will claim him using their priority. If noone claims him in that time, he becomes a FA.

I think you got the jist of it. Yes, you could come out with all the players you bid on, which is not being a prick, it's covering your ass. You just have to remember that your WW priority is going to be low, which in most cases isn't the worst thing since it only affects people who get dropped from other teams, not FA.

[chgorman]

In general leagues Waivers only last for the first 2-3 days after the league has been drafted. After that waiver period, everyone becomes FA. The only way a player can be put back on waivers is if he is dropped by a team. He then gets put on Waivers for 2 days (or so) to see if someone will claim him using their priority. If noone claims him in that time, he becomes a FA.

I think you got the jist of it. Yes, you could come out with all the players you bid on, which is not being a prick, it's covering your ass. You just have to remember that your WW priority is going to be low, which in most cases isn't the worst thing since it only affects people who get dropped from other teams, not FA.

Yeah, that doesn't really bother me though. I think it might be worth it to be able to get he guys I want before they go to FA.

Thx for the input Fly, glad you made the 'covering you ass' comment, as that's kinda what I was hoping to hear.

[FlyGuy78]

np man, good luck with everything.