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Spartan
08-23-2011, 10:54 AM
In no alternate universe or the real one was this move logical. Its not like Oakland saw something in Pryor that no one else in the NFL did. That's not what they do, the Patriots, Colts and Steelers do that. Also forget "developing" Pryor, that's also something the Raiders can't do because the coaching staff is under constant turmoil and Al Davis is a flake. Because of the salary cap you have to build through the draft in the NFL and you can't build through the draft when you blow all your picks in horrific trades and valuing triangle numbers over football talent. The team is a group of workout warriors that can't do things like throw(Pryor) or catch(DHB).
FlyGuy78
08-23-2011, 01:19 PM
And yet we had one of the top scoring offenses last year :rolleyes:
suckerpuncher
08-23-2011, 04:35 PM
And yet you fired the HC who lit some fire under the players asses. ;)
FlyGuy78
08-23-2011, 06:34 PM
And yet you fired the HC who lit some fire under the players asses. ;)
Actually we promoted the OC who lit some fire under our players asses to our HC!! ;)
Actually we promoted the OC who lit some fire under our players asses to our HC!! ;)
Hue Jackson is a great offensive mind. Really wanted him with the Jets over Schotty.
FlyGuy78
08-23-2011, 09:51 PM
Hue Jackson is a great offensive mind. Really wanted him with the Jets over Schotty.
Don't get me wrong I wanted Cable to stay, but not if it meant Hue leaving to take a HC or OC job somewhere else. He was the reason our offense exploded and I wanted him around more than Cable. Let's hope he's as good or even better a HC than he was an OC, cause if he is it's going to be a fun season for us Raider fans and Lord knows we need a fun season bad!!!
I think last year was as much fun as you guys are getting in a while. I don't expect the Raiders to be so relevant for a long time.
FlyGuy78
08-24-2011, 12:08 PM
I think last year was as much fun as you guys are getting in a while. I don't expect the Raiders to be so relevant for a long time.
Well we are actually a little bit healthier this year than we were last year and though we lost some key players in Aso and Miller, I think Hue Jackson is going to get the most out of his players this year and I'm expecting a fun season. Outside of our division (which we swept last year) we only have 3 tough matchups in NYJ, NE, and GB. I know we can't beat NE or GB, but I think we can beat NYJ especially at home.
King_Killah
09-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Well Fly...... Its been two weeks. I am actually surprised that the Raiders are 1-1. I am more surprised that they were actually in the game in Buffalo after having the short week, traveling east thing against them.
Positives: Jason Campbell by far is the best QB that team has seen in a long, long time. I mean he is no Tom Brady or Cam Newton, but his work in the Buffalo game was pretty good. Yes, a little of that is because Buffalo, although they seemed to have found their offense, their defense is still M.I.A. Denarius Moore who isn't even listed on the Raiders depth chart could be emerging as the best receiver that the Raider had in a long, long time. The BIG question is will the Raiders realize it??? ...and I still think Bush is the best RB they have, although you, the Raiders, and likely everyone else will argue that McFadden holds that spot. He's not just a short yardage/goal line back, when will Oakland see this.
Negatives: Their defense is still in shambles.
Well Fly...... Its been two weeks. I am actually surprised that the Raiders are 1-1. I am more surprised that they were actually in the game in Buffalo after having the short week, traveling east thing against them.
Positives: Jason Campbell by far is the best QB that team has seen in a long, long time. I mean he is no Tom Brady or Cam Newton, but his work in the Buffalo game was pretty good. Yes, a little of that is because Buffalo, although they seemed to have found their offense, their defense is still M.I.A. Denarius Moore who isn't even listed on the Raiders depth chart could be emerging as the best receiver that the Raider had in a long, long time. The BIG question is will the Raiders realize it??? ...and I still think Bush is the best RB they have, although you, the Raiders, and likely everyone else will argue that McFadden holds that spot. He's not just a short yardage/goal line back, when will Oakland see this.
Negatives: Their defense is still in shambles.
Oh please. Agreed on all other accounts but McFadden is incredible and will be a top 5-10 back in this league for years and years.
Oh please. Agreed on all other accounts but McFadden is incredible and will be a top 5-10 back in this league for years and years.
I only got to watch week one and i was utterly impressed. Theres been trade offers of Chris Johnson denied in my league. (Calvin was part of the deal but still lol)
Yeah, really I feel top 5-10 sells him short.
b_illin
09-21-2011, 01:44 PM
I think top 5-10 is fair until he proves he can make it through the whole season.
FlyGuy78
09-21-2011, 05:34 PM
McFadden is without a doubt a Top 5 RB in this league along with AP, CJ, Ray Rice, and the fifth spot could go to a few different guys.
King_Killah
09-22-2011, 07:30 PM
McFadden is without a doubt a Top 5 RB in this league along with AP, CJ, Ray Rice, and the fifth spot could go to a few different guys.
TOP TEN:
Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
Jamaal Charles
Arian Foster
LeSean McCoy
Michael Turner
Maurice Jones-Drew
Steven Jackson
Peyton Hillis
On the bubble... Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best, Rashard Mendenhall.
Over several different "top ten" lists McFadden is on the outside looking in. Seen him as high as 8 and 9.
Now, once again... as I said, I believe Michael Bush is the best RB that the Raiders have. I think he is more more talented, better ball handler. I know, go ahead throw the excuses out there... "Oh Bush steals the goal line touches, oh Bush is a 3rd down back... Blah, blah... whatever." I would take Bush over McFadden everytime.
FlyGuy78
09-22-2011, 08:59 PM
TOP TEN:
Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
Jamaal Charles
Arian Foster
LeSean McCoy
Michael Turner
Maurice Jones-Drew
Steven Jackson
Peyton Hillis
On the bubble... Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best, Rashard Mendenhall.
Over several different "top ten" lists McFadden is on the outside looking in. Seen him as high as 8 and 9.
Now, once again... as I said, I believe Michael Bush is the best RB that the Raiders have. I think he is more more talented, better ball handler. I know, go ahead throw the excuses out there... "Oh Bush steals the goal line touches, oh Bush is a 3rd down back... Blah, blah... whatever." I would take Bush over McFadden everytime.
Oh please he's better than Charles, Foster, and Hillis who are as of now 1 year wonders.Turner can't catch for shit out of the backfield. I will give you MJD and McCoy and maybe SJax from a few years back.
FlyGuy78
09-25-2011, 06:23 PM
F' those Jets!! I'm not sure who helped us win that game more, McFadden or Cromartie! hahaha
Go Raiders!! :)
Now, once again... as I said, I believe Michael Bush is the best RB that the Raiders have. I think he is more more talented, better ball handler. I know, go ahead throw the excuses out there... "Oh Bush steals the goal line touches, oh Bush is a 3rd down back... Blah, blah... whatever." I would take Bush over McFadden everytime.
Great evidence of this this week.;)
F' those Jets!! I'm not sure who helped us win that game more, McFadden or Cromartie! hahaha
Go Raiders!! :)
Or Schittenheimer? :\
Reports are that Al Davis just passed away a few minutes ago
FlyGuy78
10-08-2011, 11:45 AM
Reports are that Al Davis just passed away a few minutes ago
The NFL lost one of their best today! It's a sad day in Raider Nation. Now we all know he went insane in the past 10 years and most of us Raiders' fans should be happy (and maybe we are for the future of this team), but it's a huge loss for this organization as he was and always will be synonymous with the Raiders!
RIP Grandpa Al
King_Killah
10-08-2011, 12:03 PM
As much as I have ripped Al Davis, still sucks... RIP Gramps. Al Davis is a legend, two times. Once for his longevity in the NFL, and a second time for the insanity that became the Raiders over the last ten years or so. Wonder if the NFL will do anything for him tomorrow, maybe teams wear an "AD" sticker on their helmets or patch on their jersey or something.
Interesting to see what happens to/with the team now. Been reading stuff over the last week or so that Al Davis was considering a move back to LA, but the NFL put it on hold. I will say, the Raiders win straight up tomorrow
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
10-08-2011, 05:10 PM
Newsflash: Al Davis has been dead for years
FlyGuy78
10-09-2011, 09:01 PM
That win was for you Grandpa Al.....Go Raiders!!!
Doctego
10-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Gotta like the Curry trade for the Raiders. Looks like a 7th rounder and a conditional mid-rounder. Seems like Seattle gave up on him fast.
King_Killah
10-16-2011, 04:18 PM
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo KYLE BOLLER!
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 05:11 PM
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo KYLE BOLLER!
What happened to Campbell?
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 05:17 PM
Jason Campbell left Sunday's game against the Browns in the second quarter with an undisclosed injury.
Campbell was reaching for a first down at the end of a scramble when he got hit from the top by Scott Fujita. He immediately clutched his right (throwing) shoulder in pain, was very slow to get up and then walked extremely gingerly to the locker room. It could be a rib, shoulder or collarbone issue. Backup Kyle Boller has come on.
Doesn't sound good but at least we are up big 24-7 right now. Let's hope this doesn't keep him out long. Thankfully we are a run first team anyway and don't rely on our QB to win games.
King_Killah
10-16-2011, 05:18 PM
He took off running and got hit, rolled on. Looks like collarbone or shoulder. Clutching right shoulder immediately. I'd be surprised if he isn't out 4-6. Punter is now emergency kicker, but he threw a strike to boss on a fake fg!
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 06:04 PM
Broken collarbone - out for season!
It's Terrell Pryor time in Oakland!! :)
Broken collarbone - out for season!
It's Terrell Pryor time in Oakland!! :)
You can say that with a smile? Props :lol:
habsfan1
10-16-2011, 06:46 PM
Broken collarbone - out for season!
It's Terrell Pryor time in Oakland!! :)
I would be calling David Garrard.
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 08:08 PM
You can say that with a smile? Props :lol:
When my other option is Kyle Boller, do I have a choice? ;)
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 08:08 PM
I would be calling David Garrard.
I was actually thinking the same thing!
b_illin
10-16-2011, 08:38 PM
Or Orton
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 09:14 PM
According to the Denver Post, the Broncos are expected to "monitor" whether the division rival Raiders show interest in Kyle Orton this week after losing Jason Campbell for the season.
The remaining portion of Orton's $7.4 million base salary would be prohibitive for most teams, but the Raiders are a contending 4-2, and there's no question Orton would be a better option the rest of the way than Kyle Boller. Orton is in the last year of his contract and just got benched, so the Broncos would probably take pennies on the dollar to ship him out of town. They could shed the salary, and might be willing to move him for a seventh-round pick.
I'd take him for a 7th round pick
habsfan1
10-16-2011, 09:18 PM
I'd take him for a 7th round pick
I'd still take Garrard, I like him better plus leaving Ortom in Denver leaves them with the turmoil. There will be the question for the rest of the season in Denver then, Tebow or Orton.
FlyGuy78
10-16-2011, 10:28 PM
I'd still take Garrard, I like him better plus leaving Ortom in Denver leaves them with the turmoil. There will be the question for the rest of the season in Denver then, Tebow or Orton.
Oh I would rather have Garrard too I'm just saying if not him, a 7th is a great price for Orton.
two24four
10-16-2011, 11:42 PM
Rumor that the Raiders want Carson Palmer.
FlyGuy78
10-17-2011, 06:25 AM
Rumor that the Raiders want Carson Palmer.
Too bad the Bengals owner is a prick and won't ever trade him! :(
habsfan1
10-17-2011, 04:38 PM
Garrard's back requires immediate surgery so he is out of the running, Orton or best case scenario in Palmer it is. Worst case scenario = status quo.
FlyGuy78
10-17-2011, 07:19 PM
Coach Marvin Lewis strongly indicated on NFL Network Monday that Carson Palmer will remain in the reserve/retired list and not be traded before Tuesday's deadline.
"I can’t speak for Raiders but our organization is very firm in statement that Carson (Palmer) is retired," said Lewis. "We have moved on and that’s enough to be said because we don’t need to make anymore headlines." In other words, the Bengals have not only moved on from Palmer as a player for their team, but as a player for anyone else's team, as well. It appears the 31-year-old quarterback will continue to rot, while the Raiders will be forced to pursue alternatives on the trade and free agent markets.
I can't believe that a team can do this to a player. If he doesn't want to play for your team and you obviously don't want him on your team, how is it legal to cockblock him from going anywhere else? I don't get how a team can have that much control over a player while literally forcing him out of football if he doesn't want to play for your team!
Doctego
10-17-2011, 07:32 PM
I can't believe that a team can do this to a player. If he doesn't want to play for your team and you obviously don't want him on your team, how is it legal to cockblock him from going anywhere else? I don't get how a team can have that much control over a player while literally forcing him out of football if he doesn't want to play for your team!
How is it legal? I have been very critical of the Bengals and their business practices over the years but Palmer signed a contract and doesn't want to honor it any longer. How should they not have the power here?
FlyGuy78
10-17-2011, 07:49 PM
How is it legal? I have been very critical of the Bengals and their business practices over the years but Palmer signed a contract and doesn't want to honor it any longer. How should they not have the power here?
I get that but when your owner states he no longer wants you on his team, trade the fucking man! Mike Brown is the worst owner in the NFL and no wonder Palmer isn't honoring his contract.
Doctego
10-17-2011, 09:08 PM
I get that but when your owner states he no longer wants you on his team, trade the fucking man! Mike Brown is the worst owner in the NFL and no wonder Palmer isn't honoring his contract.
He very well might be the worst owner in the league but he holds all the cards here. I don't blame him for holding firm up until now because he probably wanted to teach Palmer a lesson and he also had no leverage around the league. I guarantee you that they could get more from the Raiders right now than they could have the day the lockout ended, for example. You're just mad because the Raiders need a QB and they can't get him (yet).:D The Bengals will eventually trade him. They just need to prove their point.
habsfan1
10-17-2011, 09:27 PM
I for one agree with what Brown is doing here (though I think he is a terrible owner overall).
If he gives in here to Palmer what stops any other player in the Bengals from pulling the same thing. He's proving a point and, if he does the smart thing, he trades Palmer in the offseason. Then Palmer sits for a year for nothing, Brown proves his point and gets the same trade as he would now. Yes, I think teams will pay the same in the offseason as they would now; there are a lot of qb hungry teams out there.
Edit: Anyways, guess what Doctego said above, that I missed reading.
Doctego
10-18-2011, 09:23 AM
Unbunch your panties, Fly. The Raiders got Palmer. Unfortunately, they don't have a pick in the 2012 draft until the 5th round as of now.
Now do you see why the Bengals waited? There's no way that they could have even gotten 1 1st rounder if they didn't wait.
two24four
10-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Unbunch your panties, Fly. The Raiders got Palmer. Unfortunately, they don't have a pick in the 2012 draft until the 5th round as of now.
Now do you see why the Bengals waited? There's no way that they could have even gotten 1 1st rounder if they didn't wait.
Just saw that as well, crazy.
suckerpuncher
10-18-2011, 09:59 AM
Once again the Raiders overpaid.
Btw. Does anybody know what the conditions are to trigger the 2013 1st round pick? Can't wait to hear it and the Raiders to lose yet another 1st round pick.
Starting to think it wasn't all Al Davis' fault. Must be something in the water on Oakland's site of the Bay Area.
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 10:09 AM
Panties unbunched and yes we overpaid big time for Palmer. Nothing short of going to the Super Bowl will justify this but I'll still take him over Boller any day of the week.
As for not having any draft picks for the next ten years or so, it's not like we make the best choices anyway.
King_Killah
10-18-2011, 10:13 AM
GREAT move for Oakland. Palmer still got game. There is no Super Bowl this year, but this deal puts Oakland back in play off discussions! Well done! Hate to say it because it might be too soon, but with Al gone... Things happen! As for the draft picks, Al didn't make good picks, curious to see how the drafts are handled now! Well done Fly.
habsfan1
10-18-2011, 11:09 AM
From what I've heard the conidtional pick is based on Oakland winning a playoff game in 2012.
Anyways great move for the Bengals, they get Andy Dalton, their qb of the future and one maybe two first round picks.
One of the biggest overpayments I've ever seen. When was the last time Palmer was actually, you know, good?
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 11:22 AM
One of the biggest overpayments I've ever seen. When was the last time Palmer was actually, you know, good?
He's been good his whole career. The Bengals just sucked!
suckerpuncher
10-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Still, no way to pay one, possibly two 1st round picks for a 31-yo QB.
Bengals must be laughing their asses of.
He's been good his whole career. The Bengals just sucked!
This is literally just so dumb.
To even begin to rant about how shitty Palmer has been the last few years would be a total waste of time, because its so fucking obvious to anyone whos watched a Bengals game. He has thrown away more games personally than I've ever seen a QB give away games in the NFL. Throws Ints at the worst possible times, always seems to be a pick 6, misses the game winning passes.
I don't care how messy the situation in Cincy has been for years, Palmer has been an absolute total joke of a quarterback. He got paid regardless of the politics and he wasn't earning his money. This is one of the worst overpayments for a player in a longtime and as bad as any deal Al Davis made.
Doctego
10-18-2011, 12:11 PM
He hasn't been that good since he hurt his knee in the playoffs against Pittsburgh. Huge overpayment, especially with the "value" of 1st rounders going up in the new CBA.
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 12:17 PM
I won't argue it's way too much to pay for him, but considering the other options they had it was their only option. And if we don't win a playoff game in 2012 then we only lose a 2nd round pick in 2013, not a 1st rounder.
Doctego
10-18-2011, 12:34 PM
I won't argue it's way too much to pay for him, but considering the other options they had it was their only option. And if we don't win a playoff game in 2012 then we only lose a 2nd round pick in 2013, not a 1st rounder.
A 1st in 2012 and a 1st or 2nd in 2013 is a tremendous overpayment but they are a legitimate playoff team in the AFC and they did what they had to do. They haven't had success lately and now they have a shot. I can't criticize them for that.
I won't argue it's way too much to pay for him, but considering the other options they had it was their only option. And if we don't win a playoff game in 2012 then we only lose a 2nd round pick in 2013, not a 1st rounder.
Make no mistake a 1st and 2nd rounder is a massive overpayment still, like Doc said, with the new rules 1st and 2nd round picks are much more valuable than in years past.
Oakland needs to finish strong, win a playoff game and the sting won't hurt AS much but I still think this deal makes absolutely no sense.
I agree. From a purely logical standpoint this is a horrid move but the more you consider the Raiders unique circumstances, the SLIGHTLY more sense it begins to make. Completely asinine still and a total detriment to your future, but who knows what the future will ever hold for the Raiders. This is a legit playoff year so I don't blame them for going all in on this season but I just simply feel like they went all in with Deuce Seven off-suite on this one.
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 01:05 PM
I do agree with you guys and I think they were left with this as their only option. Let's hope it pays off!
Go Raiders!! :)
I will say I'm at least glad the Raiders won't be some total joke behind Boller.
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 02:49 PM
I will say I'm at least glad the Raiders won't be some total joke behind Boller.
You and me both Kyle!!
Hockeyis#1
10-18-2011, 08:31 PM
I won't argue it's way too much to pay for him, but considering the other options they had it was their only option. And if we don't win a playoff game in 2012 then we only lose a 2nd round pick in 2013, not a 1st rounder.
I do agree with you guys and I think they were left with this as their only option. Let's hope it pays off!
Go Raiders!! :)
No, it wasn't.
They could have stuck it out with whatever junk QB they could sign (or try out Pryor). Yes they'd probably lose the majority of the rest of the season, finish as a 5-6 win team and take a high draft pick to improve. If they were lucky (lol, irony) they could get the #1 pick and draft a real QB in Andrew Luck.
This MIGHT be a playoff team, but I don't think that's a lock. They sure aren't a Super Bowl contender.
habsfan1
10-18-2011, 08:47 PM
It's a deal Oakland HAD to make IMO, it's a qb driven league and rolling the dice on a guy like Palmer gives them decent odds to make the playoffs. And who knows what you'll get in the first round anyways, ummm Jamarcus Russel. But saying that the Bengals still come out looking f'n great in this.
Hockeyis#1
10-18-2011, 09:23 PM
And who knows what you'll get in the first round anyways,
Who knows what you'll get out of Carson Palmer.....
FlyGuy78
10-18-2011, 09:27 PM
No, it wasn't.
They could have stuck it out with whatever junk QB they could sign (or try out Pryor). Yes they'd probably lose the majority of the rest of the season, finish as a 5-6 win team and take a high draft pick to improve. If they were lucky (lol, irony) they could get the #1 pick and draft a real QB in Andrew Luck.
This MIGHT be a playoff team, but I don't think that's a lock. They sure aren't a Super Bowl contender.
We already have more wins than the team that will end up getting the #1 overall pick, so you're logic there is thrown out the window.
We were already considered a borderline playoff team with Campbell as our QB and Palmer is better than Campbell so we are now a legit playoff contender. I don't think we will make the Super Bowl but rolling the dice with Boller (Pryor is not and will not be ready to be a QB this year) is a joke and a slap in the face to this Raiders team and all the fans. Yes we overpayed but Palmer gives us our best chance at winning by and large over any other QB we have or could have had.
Doctego
10-18-2011, 11:34 PM
Yeah. There is not a chance in hell that Miami or Indy gets to 4 wins and there are many more shitty teams than those 2. For as bad as they have been recently combined with their tradition, I don't know how you can flush a potentially good season down the drain. Maybe H#1 is pissed because this could hurt San Diego and Buffalo in the long run.:dunno:
Yeah, that's silly talk H#1
Good Luck Raiders!!! Honestly its not a good trade but could also pan out to be a good move (for this year and next) IThe guy isnt gonna walk in a turn that WR core into a bunch of stars but (if youre lucky) can manage the offence behind McFadden enough to get a few wins and put them in. This team has to go for it imo.....and thats what they did.
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
10-22-2011, 01:36 PM
Hey Palmer could pull a Warner, you never know....
Palmer never has and never will be in the remote vicinity of Kurt Warner. Warner never had a chance, as soon as he got it he dominated. Palmer has had 8 seasons and never approached Warner's success or talent. We've seen the best of what he has to offer long ago (When Cincy was a team anyone would've wanted to play QB for), now hopefully Raiders get that and not the worst hes offered Cincy these last few years.
I think he is a competent QB. Good Luck Raiders fans:beer:
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
10-22-2011, 04:29 PM
Well what I mean is that he could have some solid success during act II. I was in no way implying he was the same caliber QB that Warner is or that he will be leading Oak to the SB this year. :eek:
King_Killah
10-22-2011, 09:22 PM
This is literally just so dumb.
To even begin to rant about how shitty Palmer has been the last few years would be a total waste of time, because its so fucking obvious to anyone whos watched a Bengals game. He has thrown away more games personally than I've ever seen a QB give away games in the NFL. Throws Ints at the worst possible times, always seems to be a pick 6, misses the game winning passes.
I don't care how messy the situation in Cincy has been for years, Palmer has been an absolute total joke of a quarterback. He got paid regardless of the politics and he wasn't earning his money. This is one of the worst overpayments for a player in a longtime and as bad as any deal Al Davis made.
Almost sounds like you are commenting on Donovan McNabb.
King_Killah
10-22-2011, 09:24 PM
Palmer never has and never will be in the remote vicinity of Kurt Warner. Warner never had a chance, as soon as he got it he dominated. Palmer has had 8 seasons and never approached Warner's success or talent. We've seen the best of what he has to offer long ago (When Cincy was a team anyone would've wanted to play QB for), now hopefully Raiders get that and not the worst hes offered Cincy these last few years.
Oh.....and by the way Palmer is better than Jason Campbell and that piece of f*ckshit, Kyle Boller. The Raiders needed a QB. They got the best one that was available. Overpayment or not.
FlyGuy78
10-23-2011, 12:12 AM
Palmer never has and never will be in the remote vicinity of Kurt Warner. Warner never had a chance, as soon as he got it he dominated. Palmer has had 8 seasons and never approached Warner's success or talent. We've seen the best of what he has to offer long ago (When Cincy was a team anyone would've wanted to play QB for), now hopefully Raiders get that and not the worst hes offered Cincy these last few years.
You're acting as though Warner never had a bad year! He had 3 great seasons in the 12+ seasons he played and those 3 great seasons came when he was surrounded by a great deal of talent. Now I'll admit he's had a much better career than Palmer, but you're treating Palmer like he never had a successful season in the NFL and is no better than QB's like Boller, Grossman, or Alex Smith.
I think Sponge is closer thinking that he could resurrect his career like Warner did and make the Raiders not only a team that makes the playoffs (which we will this year) but will be in the Super Bowl in the next 1-2 years.
I misunderstood her point. I thought she meant resurrect his career ALA Warner breaking out with the Rams but it seems you were making a reference to his resurgence with the Cardinals after he went slow a few years?
If so, I could agree entirely with that. Theres simply no potential in Palmer to put up Warner's best seasons, hes had his years in massively talented offensives in Cincy and simply isn't the MVP caliber QB Warner was.
Fly, a 2 time MVP winner is a unique stud at his position. No point in even trying to bridge the incredibly wide gap between Warner and Palmer. Warner is a top 20 QB all time (Some would argue better), Palmer won't ever sniff top 100. I know you said he had a much better career but I felt the need to state it anyway.
I never ranked Palmer down there Fly, thats your own interpretation! All I said was we've seen his best, and we have, and its really good, but its nothing special. If he can be his best, Raiders get a top 10-15 QB in the league and become an overwhelmingly potent offense. If he is not, Raiders traded 2 1st rounders for a small upgrade to Campbell. I never said hes Boller anywhere in that.
And I'd take Alex Smith before Palmer on my team.
FlyGuy78
10-23-2011, 12:42 AM
And I'd take Alex Smith before Palmer on my team.
You would take a guy who averages 175 yards per game and a whopping 6.3 yards per attempt in his career over Carson Palmer?? :rolleyes:
C'mon Kyle, seriously?
Poorly utilized in SF. Hes as talented as Palmer with the potential to take it further.
FlyGuy78
10-23-2011, 07:43 AM
Poorly utilized in SF. Hes as talented as Palmer with the potential to take it further.
You have obviously never watched him play.
Doctego
10-23-2011, 08:08 AM
The only thing that I see outside of his control that has held him back in the NFL has been the fact that there has been a carousel of HC and OC in San Francisco. Other than that, he is only still there because they had no other option. Kudos to him for finally playing well but he is lucky to still be rostered at this point.
You have obviously never watched him play.
I'm not getting into this. Obviously hes proven nothing and thats the only argument your side needs to make. I think hes going to be a success in the NFL and I do believe hes talented. I don't have any faith in Palmer. If you asked me who I take on my team I roll my dice with Smith over Palmer.
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
10-23-2011, 02:37 PM
I misunderstood her point. I thought she meant resurrect his career ALA Warner breaking out with the Rams but it seems you were making a reference to his resurgence with the Cardinals after he went slow a few years?
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That is what I was getting at.
habsfan1
10-23-2011, 06:41 PM
Well the upside is the qb situation for Oakland can't get any worse, a combined 15/35 for 177 yards and 6 picks.
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
10-23-2011, 07:30 PM
And McFadden leaves with an injury too. Ouch. Not a great day for Raiders fans. Palmer looked a little rusty :lol:
FlyGuy78
10-23-2011, 07:51 PM
One word....pathetic!
Well normally I'd let the miserable game speak for itself but since you took such exception to my comparison to Alex Smith, hahahahhahaha. Right where he left off in Cincy, throwing for more defensive points than offensive. No doubt he'll have better games but please don't tell me Carson Palmer is in some higher tier than Alex Smith. Hes not a 4000 yd/30 TD QB right now and until he proves otherwise hes just a dud loser the Raiders traded 2 1st round picks for! If he doesn't turn it around ASAP this is a total disaster for the Raiders.
FlyGuy78
10-24-2011, 07:59 AM
Well normally I'd let the miserable game speak for itself but since you took such exception to my comparison to Alex Smith, hahahahhahaha. Right where he left off in Cincy, throwing for more defensive points than offensive. No doubt he'll have better games but please don't tell me Carson Palmer is in some higher tier than Alex Smith. Hes not a 4000 yd/30 TD QB right now and until he proves otherwise hes just a dud loser the Raiders traded 2 1st round picks for! If he doesn't turn it around ASAP this is a total disaster for the Raiders.
He is and always will be WAY better than Alex Smith can ever hope and dream to be. He has never even hit 3000 yd/20 TD in his pathetic career. He also has just about the same amount of career TD than he does INT (59/55).
I will give Palmer this one fuck up of a game after being out of football 10 months and practicing with a new team for less than a week.
Fly, you honestly sound like you're just convincing yourself to feel better about the QB you traded 2 1st rounders for. Palmer isn't way better than ANYBODY! Hes actually the worst QB in the league right now according to the stats ;)
Alex Smith posted up back to back 112/127 rating games in weeks 4-5. Go dig back through that inconsistent pile of dogshit Palmer's history and find the last time hes posted up consecutive 100 rating games. Need some help? 2007. He hasn't played consecutive great games in over 4 years now despite having all the opportunities to do so. Yet hes WAY better than Smith? You sound so silly, hes not way better than anybody, right now hes among the worst QBs in the league and must earn otherwise.
I also need to take a moment to appreciate just how terrible and senseless your logic can be. Yes, lets say what regular season statistics Alex Smith has never reached when hes played more than 11 games a grand total of 1 season ever. And please present more skewed TD/INT ratios like it reflects the way hes played lately. He threw 1 TD 11 Int his rookie year. Take the last 4 seasons (The way someone with common sense would've approached this, you know) and you have a ratio of 40-26 in 28 games. Not shabby at all. Thats the kind of QB you're getting with Alex Smith, not 59-55. Stop presenting your argument so skewed. Carson Palmer's last 4 seasons? 50-40 in 37 games.
And Smith's QB rating has been higher in the last 4 years. I know you're trying hard to convince yourself your club somehow didn't make one of its dumbest deals in the last decade without Al Davis, and it'd probably be a huge blow to your pride to accept that they just traded 2 1st round picks for a QB thats performed worse than Alex Smith for 4 years now. But try to stay sensible.
I'm not saying Smith throws a harder or more accurate pass than Palmer. I'm saying Palmer is a piece of shit who can't stay on top of his game with any degree of consistency and is a waste of his own talent. I'd take Alex Smith first because regardless if Palmer has all the ability in the world to throw 4500 yards and 30 TDs, I trust Alex Smith much much more to win me games, and not throw games away. He gives you a better chance at WINNING.
Smith is never going to be 4500 yards/35 TDs but I damn-well guarantee you he will win a SB with that 49ers team and Palmer will never ever even sniff a chance at it in his career. Thats why I take Alex Smith.
Doctego
10-24-2011, 01:08 PM
Kyle.......You need to put down the Kool Aid as well. Palmer played part of 1 game and wasn't even expecting to play at all. Can we give him a bigger sample size? You are also forgetting the fact that Alex Smith only started 11+ games in a season once because he sucked complete ass. The only reason that he still has a starting job in the NFL is because of the lockout. While I commend him for taking advantage of this opportunity, the fact remains that he was a C-hair away from looking for work.
Remember, this is the same guy that lost time to Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, Chris Weinke, JT O'Sullivan, and Troy Smith. If he resurrects his career, I think that he should send thank you cards to the owners (for locking out) and Jim Harbaugh, who is a great coach.
Oh please, what does that even establish? That he can't carry a pathetic 49ers squad? I already made the point that he doesn't win games on his own. But hes smart, efficient, and manages games well. And he IS talented and it never was properly (or even decently) utilized by a somewhat sensible coaching scheme or a somewhat decent squad. The first year something falls into place since he joined the 49ers he excels.
What kool-aid am I drinking, Doc? Where am I singing Alex Smith's praises? I'm saying I want him on my team before Palmer and trust him to win before Palmer. Pointing out how awful the 49ers have been for the last 6 years (They sucked as bad with all those other QBs) only establishes that Smith was simply unable to excel in such a miserable environment and is a fine NFL QB in the right setting.
All I said was I'll take his less yards/tds for better chances to win games. Not claiming hes elite or anything remotely close
Anyone whos played his entire career under Nolan and Singletary as their head coach deserves a mulligan. Smith is excelling so far with it.
Hamsterkill
10-24-2011, 01:44 PM
I read somewhere that Palmer was thrown out there knowing only about 10% of the Raiders' playbook. I think we can reserve judgment on the move until after the bye.
two24four
10-24-2011, 01:55 PM
I read somewhere that Palmer was thrown out there knowing only about 10% of the Raiders' playbook. I think we can reserve judgment on the move until after the bye.
Agreed. Like they said during the game yesterday, Palmer went from sitting on his friends couch last Sunday watching games not knowing if he would play this season or not, to being on the field and playing the next week.
I guess 8 years wasn't long enough to learn the Bengals playbook either because he threw away games like that on a regular basis to end his stint in Cincy. He might've looked a little more productive doing it and posted up sub 4000 yard/30 TD seasons but he was a huge loser who continually threw away games his team had done a lot of things right to win. Alex Smith won't cost your team a good performance, like I said he won't carry you but the Raiders didn't NEED a carry job. Thats what everyone seems to be missing. The formula the Raiders had worked perfect and they only needed a QB who could put up modest 150-200 yard games, make the 3rd down conversions when needed and simply not throw the game away and keep the strong running game on the field. Palmer can excel in all those categories except the most crucial one, he throws games away all the time. Thats a big detriment to the Raiders. We'll see where it goes!
Hamsterkill
10-24-2011, 03:47 PM
I guess 8 years wasn't long enough to learn the Bengals playbook either because he threw away games like that on a regular basis to end his stint in Cincy.
No one's saying he's Aaron Rodgers, Kyle, but 3 picks in a half is most certainly not something he, or any NFL QB not named Grossman or Boller for that matter, does on a regular basis.
Doctego
10-24-2011, 03:57 PM
I guess 8 years wasn't long enough to learn the Bengals playbook either because he threw away games like that on a regular basis to end his stint in Cincy.
So, you can pick and choose your arguments? You just said above that Smith had no shot under Nolan and Singletary yet you're ignoring the fact that Palmer has been employed by the most inept franchise in the league for his entire career. You are also giving Smith a mulligan for 6 years yet you don't want to give 1 to Palmer after 1 half of football.
From a statistical standpoint (Which is in reality the only argument anyone could ever possibly make in favor of Palmer ever being a good QB), playing for the Bengals teams Palmer put up his good seasons with was a blessing for a QB compared to the 49ers club Smith had endured for six years. There is no comparison nor were the Bengals ever really a difficult team to produce through the air for. Its no Drew Brees situation in NO but he always had a respected passing attack. Alex Smith in SF played for among the 3 worst teams to throw for in the league almost every single year he stopped out on that field.
Palmer threw away a lot of the 8 of 12 games the Bengals lost by 1 score or less last season. And it doesn't seem like hes ever thrown a mildly detrimental Int. Its almost always a pick 6 or puts the offense in position to score at least an easy FG.
FlyGuy78
10-24-2011, 06:10 PM
So, you can pick and choose your arguments? You just said above that Smith had no shot under Nolan and Singletary yet you're ignoring the fact that Palmer has been employed by the most inept franchise in the league for his entire career. You are also giving Smith a mulligan for 6 years yet you don't want to give 1 to Palmer after 1 half of football.
Exactly my point. Smith has been a much worse QB over his career than Palmer. He's been benched for 6 QB's while Palmer was never benched for anyone, even when he was playing awful. Smith hasn't and won't ever win shit in this league. Funny, while listening to the radio today (660 WFAN), a 49ers fan called in to talk about SF and Francesca says how great it is to finally hear from a SF fan since it's been so long since they have been good. He goes on and says how great their new coach is, how great their defense is playing, and that there offense is playing well enough to win games. He then says the only sad part about the team is Alex Smith is the QB! Hahaha...I couldn't stop laughing and thought of this argument we've been having.
Kyle, I can't believe that you can even put Smith and Palmer in the same conversation. The main difference between the two is that I can name good seasons that Palmer has had, can you name me ONE good season that Smith has had? Oh wait, you can't cause he hasn't ever had a good season.
Yes, if one fan on the radio agree with you, it must be right.
Its not about how good they've been over their careers fly. Its hilarious to me that you've apparently read nothing until this point because thats the only way you'd repeat that like its a valid point. Palmers "Good seasons" are deep behind him and Alex is only entering his prime (Some bloom late). You need to logically conclude whos more likely to move on and have success. Right now anyone who thinks Palmer's second half of this season is going to look as good/better than Alex Smith's is in for a likely very rude awakening, even if Alex Smith had only thrown for 500 yards entering this season and Palmer had thrown for 60,000. Right now Alex Smith is a more likely player to earn your NFL team a win than Palmer is.
The only reason you're so reluctant to accept the comparison is because it reveals just how terrible this deal is, Fly. Yes, you did trade two 1st round draft picks for a QB of Alex Smith's caliber, sorry. I don't know how Smith ever got dragged down to Boller status either because thats not where I'm ranking Palmer. Silly that this has even dragged on this far, you must be really nervous about the outcome of this deal to take such exception to a pointless digression about what I think about Alex Smith.
Now if you want to keep discussing Smith vs Palmer, how about you actually read my post and address specific points? Put away the cheer-leading skirt and maybe instead of repeating Doc's points you can try responding to my post that already refuted them! Or don't, just be more obvious so I can save time and stop wasting posts you're not reading ;)
PS I will admit to some bias. And I've probably gotten carried away and sold Palmer short throughout this. But, unless I need to heavily rely on my passing game to win games, I always take Smith on my team first. Smith will lose you much less games than Palmer and Palmer IMO no longer makes up for the games he throws away with the games he steals.
Doctego
10-24-2011, 08:47 PM
I think that we can all agree that the deal was bad. That said, it was a deal that they had to make, IMHO. The Raiders had a chance to have a solid season and they couldn't sit around and do nothing. We saw what Boller has to offer. Palmer should improve. The only thing that I can say that is positive about Alex Smith is that he can get better or stay the same while Palmer is obviously on the decline. Palmer still can be better than Smith now, though. Time will tell but I need more than 1/2 game with a few days to prepare.
FlyGuy78
11-01-2011, 07:58 PM
Raiders sign TJ Housh! Trying to bring back the Palmer-Housh connection. I think we have a ton of WR as is so I'm not so sure about this, but I guess it can't hurt to see what he has left in the tank.
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
11-01-2011, 09:06 PM
Not a great move if you ask me but I get that they are trying to give Carson some comfort or familiarity. Maybe they will sign T.O. next. heh.
habsfan1
11-01-2011, 09:16 PM
Not a great move if you ask me but I get that they are trying to give Carson some comfort or familiarity. Maybe they will sign T.O. next. heh.
I agree, I think it's all about giving someone Palmer is familiar with, nothing more. House will be an outlet at best.
Palmer got much better. But still throwing games away! I wouldn't be too surprised to see Campbell back when him and DMac are healthy.
6 interceptions in 6 quarters. Sorry but ouch.
FlyGuy78
11-09-2011, 10:25 AM
Palmer got much better. But still throwing games away! I wouldn't be too surprised to see Campbell back when him and DMac are healthy.
6 interceptions in 6 quarters. Sorry but ouch.
Campbell will not play another down in a Raiders uniform. It's Palmer or nothing. He played much better knowing more of the playbook and our defense lost that game, not him. The INT need to stop, but his arm strength looks great and don't forget he hasn't played football in over 10 months. He'll get better and better week after week and we will win this division!
FlyGuy78
11-11-2011, 12:40 AM
1st place Raiders!!!!! :)
Bush just made a strong argument in Killah's favor regarding just how good DMac really is...I guess the Raiders are just a dominant run team for any back and Bush is capable of equally productive yards!
FlyGuy78
01-01-2012, 07:31 PM
You guys suck! End of discussion!
FlyGuy78
01-02-2012, 07:36 AM
Fix your avatar bro
You have to pick one first
http://i42.tinypic.com/x1ysfo.png
Cheers :beer:
FlyGuy78
01-02-2012, 06:43 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/x1ysfo.png
Cheers :beer:
I chose the Raider's "Loser" avatar. Do you want me to change it to the one you picked or keep this one?
Snipes16
01-02-2012, 06:43 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/x1ysfo.png
Cheers :beer:
nice hat :lol:
I chose the Raider's "Loser" avatar. Do you want me to change it to the one you picked or keep this one?
Yes the Lions panties are much better:lol: Sorry bro
FlyGuy78
01-03-2012, 10:55 AM
Yes the Lions panties are much better:lol: Sorry bro
changed! :lol:
b_illin
01-03-2012, 11:33 AM
Uh, the suck part wasn't part of the deal as I recall...
FlyGuy78
01-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Uh, the suck part wasn't part of the deal as I recall...
that's what makes it so funny! :D
Agreeing with Bill, get rid of the suck and take your medicine Fly!
Doctego
01-03-2012, 03:05 PM
that's what makes it so funny! :D
Not really.
two24four
01-03-2012, 04:57 PM
I'm with the rest, you have no say in this, just have to take it.
FlyGuy78
01-03-2012, 06:58 PM
Ok, ok...I'll change it when I get home tonight. I still think the Raiders "L" losers logo was cooler.
b_illin
01-03-2012, 07:01 PM
If I had any avatar skills it'd be a Detroit Lion (with Suh's face) raping a Raiders-themed football (with Al Davis' face - too soon??) from behind....but hey, Dubz was feeling nice so you get the Lions briefs instead!
If I had any avatar skills it'd be a Detroit Lion (with Suh's face) raping a Raiders-themed football (with Al Davis' face - too soon??) from behind....but hey, Dubz was feeling nice so you get the Lions briefs instead!
:lol: Are your morals broken? Of course.
FlyGuy78
01-06-2012, 08:34 AM
The Raiders plan to hire Packers director of football operations Reggie McKenzie to fill their GM vacancy.
Ex-Packers Packers GM Ron Wolf and former Raiders personnel executive Ken Herock have been advising the Raiders while McKenzie has been discussing his future role and power within the organization for the last week. Green Bay's director of pro personnel since 1997, McKenzie learned from two of the best in Wolf and Ted Thompson. This could represent quite a "brain drain" on the Packers, as Wolf's son Eliot, assistant director of player personnel, was expected to join McKenzie. Oakland's days of sacrificing valuable draft picks for veterans on the decline are over.
I hope this goes through for the Raiders!
chgorman
01-06-2012, 09:00 AM
I hope this goes through for the Raiders!
I couldn't care less about the Raiders, but I'm definitely down with anything that weakens the Pack in any way/shape/form, so hopefully it happens.
eff1ngham
01-10-2012, 02:00 PM
So, see ya Hue Jackson?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7447129/oakland-raiders-fire-coach-hue-jackson-1-year-source-says
Doctego
01-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Surprising until you really think about it. He seemed to have more power than most rookie coaches and it looked like he wanted more.
FlyGuy78
01-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Firing Jackson is an awful move!!!! Yes we fell apart at the end of the year, but we had lots of injuries to some of our best offensive players. This is the best season we have had in 10 years and the first move of the new GM is to fire the coach?! I understand that the Palmer trade was a lot to pay for, but they didnt have much of a choice with where we stood at the time and who our backup QB was. I really hope this turns out to be false.
FlyGuy78
01-10-2012, 02:10 PM
Surprising until you really think about it. He seemed to have more power than most rookie coaches and it looked like he wanted more.
He also led us to our best season in 10 years without our top playmaker for half the season, losing our starting QB, top WR, and in an offseason where we lost our best defensive player.
His end of the season presser didn't help.
Time for the Jets to scoop him up.
Doctego
01-10-2012, 02:26 PM
He also led us to our best season in 10 years without our top playmaker for half the season, losing our starting QB, top WR, and in an offseason where we lost our best defensive player.
I'm not saying that he deserved to be fired but how exactly was this their best season in 10 years? They had the same record as last year and had every opportunity to win a weak division and failed.
Doctego
01-11-2012, 12:24 AM
Interesting. Gotta say that I agree:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/01/10/hue.jackson.firing/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a5&eref=sihp
FlyGuy78
01-11-2012, 12:57 AM
Interesting. Gotta say that I agree:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/01/10/hue.jackson.firing/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a5&eref=sihp
I'm holding out until I see what happens with the next coach which by the sounds of it is going to be a no named rookie. If he's one and done again, then nothing has changed. If McKenzie really wants to change the way things are done around here than that's fine by me since even a Raider's fan knows this is a dysfunctional family we root for, but we still love them.
He also led us to our best season in 10 years without our top playmaker for half the season, losing our starting QB, top WR, and in an offseason where we lost our best defensive player.
Moore is as much your top WR as anybody. Palmer is obviously better than Campbell. Losing Dmac sucked but Bush absorbed at least half of that blow. This was not your best season in 10 years, last season was. Last season was successful and positive. This season was a disappointing failure and you crippled your draft future in the process. Awful year Raiders, Jackson was a disgustingly awful coach Fly, consider yourself lucky regardless what rookie you might have to deal with.
Alex Smith >>>>> Palmer. Sorry Fly!
FlyGuy78
01-15-2012, 07:46 PM
Alex Smith >>>>> Palmer. Sorry Fly!
I wouldn't go that far. He pulled a Tebow yesterday and played well in the last 5 minutes of the game. The Niners had how many 3 and outs in that game? 10+? And they got I think only 10 points off of the 5 turnovers. Smith is playing well, but he still needs a lot of improvement.
Doctego
01-16-2012, 10:12 AM
In Peter King's column today:
The Oakland Raiders might be the most impetuous drafting organization in NFL history, and the 2012 draft is a good example.
They traded the first-round pick in October as part of the Carson Palmer deal with Cincinnati.
They traded the second-round pick last April as part of a deal to obtain New England's third- and fourth-round picks in 2011. Oakland used those picks to take tackle Joseph Barksdale and running back Taiwan Jones, neither of whom started a game for the Raiders in 2011.
They gave up the third-round pick in August to choose Terrelle Pryor in the Supplemental Draft. Pryor has not seen the field yet.
They traded the fourth-round pick to Washington in 2010 for quarterback Jason Campbell. Campbell got hurt in October and is a free agent, likely to play elsewhere in 2012.
They traded the seventh-round pick to Seattle as part of a deal to obtain linebacker Aaron Curry in October. He played well for the Raiders after the trade.
Not including compensatory draft picks, that means the Raiders' first regular draft choice in 2012 will be on day three, midway through the fifth round, on approximately the 148th overall selection. (The exact choice depends on how many compensatory picks the league will dole out this spring.) The Raiders' first choice, a compensatory pick for the loss of Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency, would be at the end of the third round at the earliest -- the 97th pick overall.
The Raiders have also surrendered their second-round pick in 2013 as part of the Carson Palmer trade; that pick could rise to a first-rounder if the Raiders make the AFC title game next year. And they've also lost a mid-round pick in 2013 as part of the Aaron Curry trade.
So let's tally this up.
In 2012, Oakland has two of its seven draft picks left.
In 2013, Oakland has five of its seven draft picks left.
With holes in an aging roster, they've traded seven of their 14 draft choices in the next two drafts ... including a one, two twos and a three.
Good thing new owner Mark Davis gave GM Reggie McKenzie a long-term contract.
I wouldn't go that far. He pulled a Tebow yesterday and played well in the last 5 minutes of the game. The Niners had how many 3 and outs in that game? 10+? And they got I think only 10 points off of the 5 turnovers. Smith is playing well, but he still needs a lot of improvement.
Palmer needs much improvement, difference being hes past his prime and won't improve at all. Alex Smith will. Anyone takes Smith on their team over Palmer right now. Hes not a great QB, but he won't cost you half as many games. Where Palmer edges Smith in production he more than makes up for with his lack of efficiency, inconsistency, and horribly timed INts
Smith did not pull a tebow. Or did you forget that 17-0 lead he lead them too? He dropped back 42 times and was above a 100 QB rating, averaged the same yards per dropback as Drew Brees on his way to 300 yards and 3 TD. Thats not a tebow game, thats just an amazing QB performance.
10+ 3 and outs? Try 4. Just checked. Saints had 2. And the 49ers never had one until they were up by 17. And obviously safe football with a comfortable lead results in more punting. When the comfortable lead disappeared, Smith and that offense exploded all over the Saints.
He outplayed Drew Brees, no other way to cut that night's performance.
FlyGuy78
03-26-2012, 04:03 PM
Raiders will receive a 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks due to compensation for losing Aso, Z.Miller, and T.Howard. That's huge for us! Lord knows we need the extra picks.
Spartan
03-26-2012, 07:08 PM
Raiders will receive a 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks due to compensation for losing Aso, Z.Miller, and T.Howard. That's huge for us! Lord knows we need the extra picks.And without Al Davis you're likely to get guys that can play football instead of a 4x100 relay team.
FlyGuy78
03-26-2012, 09:14 PM
And without Al Davis you're likely to get guys that can play football instead of a 4x100 relay team.
I agree 100%! And I already love what the GM has done by cutting or restructuring some of our outrageous deals to help with cap space. We still have lots of holes to fill, but I think we are moving in the right direction.
FlyGuy78
04-28-2012, 07:22 PM
WOW! Something to be proud about being a Raiders fan! Good job Raiders!
Oakland Raiders to donate 10 percent of season tickets to Oakland schools
Oakland Raiders fans have the reputation of being loud, well-costumed, and sometimes even obnoxious. Now, they will also be known as supporters of education.
Every season ticket purchased and paid in full between (http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-Ticket-Program-Assists-Oakland-Public-Schools/ab9788e9-6326-47ba-9740-50b91c207c81) May 1 and June 30 will have 10 percent of its gross donated to the Oakland public schools. With season tickets starting at $260 a piece and costing as much as $1,510, the donation to the schools can be substantial.
The schools could use the help. Last year, the school district went through a funding crisis (http://oaklandlocal.com/article/explainer-oakland-public-schools-budget-crisis). Teachers were laid off and programs were cut. The schools need help from the community, and the Raiders are stepping up.
Hopefully, the commitment doesn't stop there. Perhaps the Black Hole could show up at a Spelling Bee or Mathlete competition? Every NFL team gives back, but few have shown such a bold commitment to their community. Kudos to the Raiders and their fans.
Sponge Bong Beer Pants
04-28-2012, 07:29 PM
WOW! Something to be proud about being a Raiders fan! Good job Raiders!
I guess you got to take what you can get! ;)
Just yanking your chain Fly. Good deal. It would be nice to see all teams do this.
Spartan
05-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Cute, but the district will just waste the donated money the same as the tax money.
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